Going Vegetarian

[applelatch 44]

I've pretty much said all I have to say, but nature can suprise you, herbivores do eat meat every once in awhile. Here's a video of a deer eating a bird:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk

Don't watch if easily disturbed, it's not bloody, just... odd. Also horses do similar things every once in awhile Makes me wonder why DO they have pigs in ponyville......

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

I still don't seem to be understanding. What is going to happen to the animals in the end? Not speaking from an immediate change, eventually, if everyone were to stop eating meat gradually, when that day comes, what happens to the animals?

 

Again, you can deny it all you want. You're still, by nature, an omnivore. Yes, all human beings are omnivores. It's something that's definitive of us as a species. You can feed a rat all the meat it can stomach. That doesn't make it a carnivore just because you've changed its diet. 

 

Okay, but what's more worth his time? Trying different foods over months, maybe years, to find out exactly what it was in the meat that his system needed? All the while, he's in and out of hospitals with his health suffering for it? Or going directly to the one thing they know works for him so he can recover quickly? I mean, this is a no-brainer, to me.

 

 

Cover heart is correct. By nature, Humans are omnivorous, and simply changing your diet dosent change your inner humanly instincts.

 

You say that what ever can be found in meat, can also be found in other sources, why this may be technically correct, there is NO substitute for good old fashioned animal protein. Animal proteins help develop your brain, and helps to build healthy, lean muscle. A vegetarian diet lacks these animal proteins, and therefore will NEVER be able to be as healthy as those who consume meat AND veggies. Sure you may be thin, and high energy, but your muscles are going to suffer in the long run, as well as your mental development.

 

idc what the doctors say, it simply isnt true.

[SasQ 1,379]

 

 

Cover heart is correct. By nature, Humans are omnivorous

 

Isn't it that being an omnivore simply means that one can choose what one wants to eat?  I cannot see how being an omnivore could force anyone to eat meat, or eat vegetables, or anything else from this wide spectrum.

And what doest it meant "by nature"? If someone eats only vegetables throughout his whole life (or a large part of it), and feels good and healthy, isn't that his natural state of being? Who cares the statistics then? (Because it's just a statistics what is written at Wikipedia. BTW, Wikipedia often lies, for me it ceased to be a reliable source of information many years ago. Now it's mostly propaganda of the mainstream.)

 

 

 

and simply changing your diet dosent change your inner humanly instincts.

 

Who are you to tell other people what are their instincts? Some people have instincts to kill other creatures. I don't have such. Are you telling me that because you have some killing instinct (just an example, no offence intended), that I should have it too? What if I don't have it? I still have it because of the majority? Or because Wikipedia says so? Nigga, pleeease...

 

 

 

Sure! you can get proteins from non-meat products too such as tofu, but you'll have to consume A-LOT of tofu to get the same amount of protein as you would get from meat.

 

Do you at least know what proteins are? Or just repeating after someone who didn't understood it too? All living organisms are made up of proteins, and both plants and animals are just full of them. None of them is "more full" of proteins. Whatever differs in the diet of vegetarians and carnivores are definitely not proteins.

 

 

 

I don't get that crap about the breathitarian crap either, that is ridiculous.

 

Don't call something "crap" just because you don't understand it or just because you can't do it, OK? I've used breatharians just as one example of what one people can and other cannot, to show that just because one person cannot do something, it doesn't mean that no one can, or that this someone should stop doing the "impossible". Because this is how this thread started to look like:

 

There are some people who managed to eat only plants and they're doing well, but other people trying to convince them on whatever grounds (science, statistics, Wikipedia, human nature, ethics, whatever) that they're wrong in what they're doing and they should stop.

 

And there are also people doing the other way around: they have gone vegetarian, and they're trying to convince carnivores that eating meat is bad, or not needed, or non-ethical, whatever. As if it were supposed to make them stop eating meat. Face it: It won't. They will eat meat as long as they will require it in their diet. And they will require it in their diet as long as their state of mind will stay at some level of development, causing them to feel certain emotions and require substrates for the hormones for the emotions they need to feel.

 

I used breatharians for an example (yes, an example, not the example, since I used other examples too, but of course it's better to pick something you think is impossible and project it to the rest of what I wrote  ) of why is it impossible and unproductive to try to force other people to eat certain things (or none) when they already managed to change their diet.

 

So why don't you all stop trying to convince other people that what you eat is good/required for them? Why don't you all focus on your own food and let others alone? It's their business what they want to eat. Thank you very much.

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

Isn't it that being an omnivore simply means that one can choose what one wants to eat?  I cannot see how being an omnivore could force anyone to eat meat, or eat vegetables, or anything else from this wide spectrum.

And what doest it meant "by nature"? If someone eats only vegetables throughout his whole life (or a large part of it), and feels good and healthy, isn't that his natural state of being? Who cares the statistics then? (Because it's just a statistics what is written at Wikipedia. BTW, Wikipedia often lies, for me it ceased to be a reliable source of information many years ago. Now it's mostly propaganda of the mainstream.)

 

 

 

 

Who are you to tell other people what are their instincts? Some people have instincts to kill other creatures. I don't have such. Are you telling me that because you have some killing instinct (just an example, no offence intended), that I should have it too? What if I don't have it? I still have it because of the majority? Or because Wikipedia says so? Nigga, pleeease...

 

 

 

 

Do you at least know what proteins are? Or just repeating after someone who didn't understood it too? All living organisms are made up of proteins, and both plants and animals are just full of them. None of them is "more full" of proteins. Whatever differs in the diet of vegetarians and carnivores are definitely not proteins.

 

 

 

 

Don't call something "crap" just because you don't understand it or just because you can't do it, OK? I've used breatharians just as one example of what one people can and other cannot, to show that just because one person cannot do something, it doesn't mean that no one can, or that this someone should stop doing the "impossible". Because this is how this thread started to look like:

 

There are some people who managed to eat only plants and they're doing well, but other people trying to convince them on whatever grounds (science, statistics, Wikipedia, human nature, ethics, whatever) that they're wrong in what they're doing and they should stop.

 

And there are also people doing the other way around: they have gone vegetarian, and they're trying to convince carnivores that eating meat is bad, or not needed, or non-ethical, whatever. As if it were supposed to make them stop eating meat. Face it: It won't. They will eat meat as long as they will require it in their diet. And they will require it in their diet as long as their state of mind will stay at some level of development, causing them to feel certain emotions and require substrates for the hormones for the emotions they need to feel.

 

I used breatharians for an example (yes, an example, not the example, since I used other examples too, but of course it's better to pick something you think is impossible and project it to the rest of what I wrote  ) of why is it impossible and unproductive to try to force other people to eat certain things (or none) when they already managed to change their diet.

 

So why don't you all stop trying to convince other people that what you eat is good/required for them? Why don't you all focus on your own food and let others alone? It's their business what they want to eat. Thank you very much.

 

 

Wow..... im just stating facts man. i dont really care whether or not you go veggie. Its all facts, its all true. Instincts are primarily the same for all members of the same species. Dont take it so personally k?.. im not trying to convince s**t. Simply... stating... facts. k we cool? ok we cool

[SasQ 1,379]

That's exactly what I'm picking about: using the word "facts" to make something true, even if it isn't, just to make your point to appear "supported by facts" and win the debate (since facts are something which cannot be disputed).

 

Something cannot be true in general (that is, cannot be a "fact") if there is at least one exception to it. And @@Circadian has already shown you the flaw in this logic by showing some exceptions to your "facts".

 

Also, writing something at Wikipedia doesn't make it to be a "fact". There are just opinions of the majority of people. Knowledge and truth isn't democratic. You don't vote over 2+2=4. This is true, because it is deduced from other true statements. And it will remain true even if millions of Wikipedians would agree otherwise upon themselves. This also shows, that whatever they will agree upon, doesn't necessary make it true or "fact".

 

For me, what is true is what is out there in our world. And on this ground, the truth is that there are some people who don't care the "facts" and "do the impossible" by eating vegetables (or fruits, or spiders, or mushrooms, or tree bark, or whatever they like, including nothing at all), and they don't care much also whathever their supposed "instincts" or "nature" are. As George Carlin would say it, "Yeah, it's all bullshit. And it's bad for ya."

 

P.S.: Just for the record, I'm not full-blown vegetarian, and not full-blown carnivore either. So I'm not going to fight on whatever side of this conflict. I'd rather prefer to stop the conflict altogether, and I advice the same to you: let your fellow bronies eat whatever they want, and let them use their free will whatever they like it to use, even if you're not happy with it. Because if you force your opinion down their throats today, at least expect that they can do the same to you tomorrow. And that's probably not what you'd want.

Edited June 10, 2013 by SasQ

[Circadian 1,273]

 

 

I still don't seem to be understanding. What is going to happen to the animals in the end? Not speaking from an immediate change, eventually, if everyone were to stop eating meat gradually, when that day comes, what happens to the animals?  

 

Not everybody would stop eating meat at once. They'd either be eaten by those that still want to or die of natural causes. But less and less would need to be bred each time, resulting in livestock being phased out.  

 

 

 

Again, you can deny it all you want. You're still, by nature, an omnivore. Yes, all human beings are omnivores. It's something that's definitive of us as a species. You can feed a rat all the meat it can stomach. That doesn't make it a carnivore just because you've changed its diet. 

 

Semantics = The Study of Meaning. There is no point in arguing over interpretation of the word "omnivore".

 

 

 

Okay, but what's more worth his time? Trying different foods over months, maybe years, to find out exactly what it was in the meat that his system needed? All the while, he's in and out of hospitals with his health suffering for it? Or going directly to the one thing they know works for him so he can recover quickly? I mean, this is a no-brainer, to me.

 

This isn't hard... 

[Dark Moon 965]

 

 

It's their business what they want to eat. Thank you very much.

 

That is the exact thing I've been saying. The only arguments I've been making is against vegetarians who say that we are herbivores, which we're not. I've also been fighting the idea that people absolutely need meat, which they don't. So basically I've been fighting both sides. And then I've said one or two times that what people eat is their choice.

I also have a lot of respect for vegetarians, well for those that aren't self righteous. Right now, I only know 2 vegetarians in the real world. One self righteous. He created this thread. The other was a High School Junior, very nice kid. 

 

What I said about Breathitarians was because it is still considered a pseudoscience. I'm agnostic.

 

 

 

Isn't it that being an omnivore simply means that one can choose what one wants to eat?  I cannot see how being an omnivore could force anyone to eat meat, or eat vegetables, or anything else from this wide spectrum. And what doest it meant "by nature"? If someone eats only vegetables throughout his whole life (or a large part of it), and feels good and healthy, isn't that his natural state of being?

 

 

That's not what an omnivore is, we're talking from a biological scientific point. By nature, we are omnivores. No being a vegetarian isn't their natural state of being, it was learned, either by being raised that way or by choice. No human was ever born a vegetarian. 

 

 

 

 

Why does this thread exist, it's not going to convert anyone and you're in the wrong for trying Circadian. 

[Clover Heart 978]

Not everybody would stop eating meat at once. They'd either be eaten by those that still want to or die of natural causes. But less and less would need to be bred each time, resulting in livestock being phased out.

So, basically, you want to allow them to go extinct? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I'm getting from what you're saying.

 

Semantics = The Study of Meaning. There is no point in arguing over interpretation of the word "omnivore".

It was relevant to my rebuttal.

 

This isn't hard... 

This was before Google. So, yes, at that point, it would have been a lot of trial and error before finding the right diet. Meat was the best option, in this case. If he was having health problems, in my opinion, not worth it to try and stay vegetarian. Even then, still not worth it if meat is the simplest option. It's not so simple as "what you need on a vegetarian diet." As I said before, he had other health problems, so what he needs and what a normal person would need are different. Which would require more investigation and research than a simple Google search would provide. Which brings us back to, is it really worth one's time, at that point?

[Circadian 1,273]

 

 

So, basically, you want to allow them to go extinct? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I'm getting from what you're saying.

 

Nah, smaller amounts can be kept on farms for eggs and dairy in humane conditions. At least in the scenario I'm talking about. 

 

 

 

It was relevant to my rebuttal.

 

Okay. I agree that humans have the potential to be omnivorous. That doesn't make me an omnivore though. 

 

Anyway, I just got off work and am starving. Time to make a make a fajita and then go hunting in the woods for Morel mushrooms!

[Moonlight 7,287]

I happen to be a vegetarian, and I agree with everything you said. When I did eat it, I imagined me ripping an animal's flesh off its skin...not a great image. Plus, my body doesn't need meat. I haven't ate it for years already, and I feel better than ever. Plus, it feels good knowing I'm not eating an animal so it could have a pointless death. Also, I love animals so I don't want to eat them, it's disgusting. 

[BronyPony 575]

The first poster has a couple of very good points but I'm definitely not going to turn into vegetarian. Why? Well because meat is so freaking tasty! I also love cooking and there's is nothing as awesome as creating new dishes to meat. For example today I made a chicken breast stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon. Every meatlovers will understand how yummy that is! I know and I have made some vegetarian dishes and even though they taste good it's nothing compared to dishes with meat. It's too simple and plain and you dont get the sae fulfilling feeling after eating it.

There is a difference between good and valid. Valid? Yes. Good? Depends on opinion(I would say no).

 

From an evolutionary stand point and a "survival of the fittest" system, one has to admit that humans are more higher up in the category than any other animal that exists(unless aliens of course). Vegetarians have to realize that plants do feel pain(irony), and what I don't find understandable is how they both try to fight against world hunger and try to stop the "slaughter of many innocent animals" when those animals could be used for food.

 

EDIT: Also....

 

The food chain is meant to be followed. A system is delicate in its formation and its processes. One rapid change in it, such as the simply stop of consuming other animals, can cause overpopulation and even an increase of disease due to the death of too many animals at one particular time, which is caused by to little of the scavengers(scavengers, detritivores, or decomposers) type species. The lack of these species is caused by the ill-need of such types of animals or fungi due to the human consumption of many of the meat--type animals that exist.

 

Then, if there is an increase in fungi species due to our lack of consumption of meat, more disease is likely to occur. Then there is an overproduction of fungi due to the rapid death of animals at one time(caused by natural death/old age) and now we just completely screwed up the system.

 

It isn't that simple to do.

Edited June 10, 2013 by BronyPony

[applelatch 44]

I happen to be a vegetarian, and I agree with everything you said. When I did eat it, I imagined me ripping an animal's flesh off its skin...not a great image. Plus, my body doesn't need meat. I haven't ate it for years already, and I feel better than ever. Plus, it feels good knowing I'm not eating an animal so it could have a pointless death. Also, I love animals so I don't want to eat them, it's disgusting. 

But..... but.... if you love animals so much why do you keep eating all of their food?

lol, i'm kidding. Seriously though animals may look cute and cuddly, but they'll kill each other all day long, regardless of actual desire to eat. Most of the time it's self-defense, though animals don't really have "morals" so it doesn't matter to them.

[Moonlight 7,287]

But..... but.... if you love animals so much why do you keep eating all of their food?

lol, i'm kidding. Seriously though animals may look cute and cuddly, but they'll kill each other all day long, regardless of actual desire to eat. Most of the time it's self-defense, though animals don't really have "morals" so it doesn't matter to them.

Nice. I actually heard that one before as an excuse against vegans and vegetarians. XD And I do realize this, I just can't bare to stomach it, myself. I can understand animals eating/killing other animals, I just can't do it, myself. 

[Brony Number 42 10,069]

Animals are not on par with people. Humans are inherently more important. Humans have individual rights. Animals do not. Why does it matter that an animals feels pain? A mountain lion will kill a deer. This is necessary. Why, then, should humans be disallowed from doing the same thing? There is no moral equivalency between the suffering of a person and the suffering of an animal. In fact, the term suffering is not properly defined.

 

It is a common logical fallacy to present a word that carries a connotation that will predispose someone to being against it. Without even knowing the argument, if you use the word "suffering," then everyone is supposed to automatically be against it. Define what you mean by suffering, and explain why it is to be avoided at the cost of something else. For example, dental surgery causes suffering, does this mean dentistry is wrong? Explain why it is wrong to cause an animal to feel pain, when animals cause each other pain as part of nature.

[Clover Heart 978]

Nah, smaller amounts can be kept on farms for eggs and dairy in humane conditions. At least in the scenario I'm talking about.

This is the answer I was trying to get at from the beginning. What about pigs, though? Or turkeys, geese, things we typically use for nothing but meat?

 

Edit:

>Also, I forgot to mention, but beef cows and dairy cows are different. Dairy cows have been bred to produce a lot of milk, where as beef cows don't produce enough milk to justify keeping them on a farm "for their milk." Therefore, while we drink cow milk, these specific species of cattle are also used for nothing but meat.

Edited June 11, 2013 by Clover Heart

[ShadowRose2k 271]

It amazes me this debate is still going on.   

 

People are Free to eat what is available to them.   It does not make it "wrong" .   If you feel a Veg diet to some degree is something you want, for what ever reason, then go for it.  BUT, Do reserch!! Read up on "reliable" info,  not Propoganda.     

 

As for me.  I still feel a Balence diet is what is best for people.  Fruit, Veg, Meat  ( non Prossesed), Grains, ect.      Suplements can be good but only get ones that are Regulated by the FDA.   Be aware of what and how much you are eating.   Too much of anything, even fruits and vegetables can be Bad.  

 

Something extra special.

My Wifes Chicken Tofu soup recipe.

 

52oz Chicken Stock. ( you can use broth but I like Stock)

15 oz potatos (1 can or fresh)

15 oz Carrots (1 can or fresh)

8 oz Rice Noodles (broken up to desired lenght)

14oz block of firm tofu (cut into small cubes)

 

Place in Large Pot and Cook on Med heat for about 20min (untill noodles are soft)

I recomend a Slow Cooker If you use Fresh Vegtables  as the canned vegtables will be soft from soaking in the can.

[applelatch 44]

Something extra special.

My Wifes Chicken Tofu soup recipe.

 

52oz Chicken Stock. ( you can use broth but I like Stock)

15 oz potatos (1 can or fresh)

15 oz Carrots (1 can or fresh)

8 oz Rice Noodles (broken up to desired lenght)

14oz block of firm tofu (cut into small cubes)

 

Place in Large Pot and Cook on Med heat for about 20min (untill noodles are soft)

I recomend a Slow Cooker If you use Fresh Vegtables  as the canned vegtables will be soft from soaking in the can.

I loathe tofu, but the chicken stock would probably make it taste delicious, of course chicken stock is made from dead things so of course it's delicious : p

 

 

It amazes me this debate is still going on.   

 

People are Free to eat what is available to them.   It does not make it "wrong" .   If you feel a Veg diet to some degree is something you want, for what ever reason, then go for it.  BUT, Do reserch!! Read up on "reliable" info,  not Propoganda.     

 

This is always a good point, propoganda tends to lead to the "Four legs good, Two legs bad." mentality.

 

This is the answer I was trying to get at from the beginning. What about pigs, though? Or turkeys, geese, things we typically use for nothing but meat?

 

Obviously we keep the pigs so Diamond Tiara has friends, we know how much she loves wallowing in the mud and sharing her crown.

[Dark Moon 965]

 

 

This is the answer I was trying to get at from the beginning. What about pigs, though? Or turkeys, geese, things we typically use for nothing but meat?

 

This would be a serious problem, especially considering the pigs. Imagine if the already feral hog population mixed with  farm bred pigs. What would be done with these pigs then. Turkey and geese could be released back into the wild, but something would have to be done about the pigs. Obviously farmers aren't going to want to spend money to keep them for no fracing reason. They would release them as well, and then we are screwed with a booming population of feral hogs.

[The Soldier 2,044]

Not sure if anyone said this before, but when cows fart, they release a gas that's part of the cause of global warming. If we don't manage to... "put down" these cows, the population will surely rise and boost the global warming. In the end, with the global warming that will eventually become so high within time, not only will us humans may die, but the cows, the pigs, etc. are literally cooking on a stove that was once called "Earth"

I'm only kidding, but at the same time, this is a bit correct

Edited June 11, 2013 by Psyche Clops

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

That's exactly what I'm picking about: using the word "facts" to make something true, even if it isn't, just to make your point to appear "supported by facts" and win the debate (since facts are something which cannot be disputed).

 

Something cannot be true in general (that is, cannot be a "fact") if there is at least one exception to it. And @@Circadian has already shown you the flaw in this logic by showing some exceptions to your "facts".

 

Also, writing something at Wikipedia doesn't make it to be a "fact". There are just opinions of the majority of people. Knowledge and truth isn't democratic. You don't vote over 2+2=4. This is true, because it is deduced from other true statements. And it will remain true even if millions of Wikipedians would agree otherwise upon themselves. This also shows, that whatever they will agree upon, doesn't necessary make it true or "fact".

 

For me, what is true is what is out there in our world. And on this ground, the truth is that there are some people who don't care the "facts" and "do the impossible" by eating vegetables (or fruits, or spiders, or mushrooms, or tree bark, or whatever they like, including nothing at all), and they don't care much also whathever their supposed "instincts" or "nature" are. As George Carlin would say it, "Yeah, it's all bullshit. And it's bad for ya."

 

P.S.: Just for the record, I'm not full-blown vegetarian, and not full-blown carnivore either. So I'm not going to fight on whatever side of this conflict. I'd rather prefer to stop the conflict altogether, and I advice the same to you: let your fellow bronies eat whatever they want, and let them use their free will whatever they like it to use, even if you're not happy with it. Because if you force your opinion down their throats today, at least expect that they can do the same to you tomorrow. And that's probably not what you'd want.

 

 

Im not sure if this is serious or not. So what are said exceptions to my "facts"?...... NOthing can change the fact that our instincts are hard wired into our brains, and are the same for all members of the same species. Theres no exceptions to this. Theres no getting around the hard factual knowledge that animal protein is required to be fully healthy. You may feel good, and be thin, but you will have problems in the long run. Including but not limited too: Iron deficiency, other blood issues. Problems gaining muscle mass. Stunted mental development (If started out after weaning) and digestive issues.

 

So if you can find exceptions to this, be my guest, but you'll be VERY hard pressed to do so. Again, im not trying to convince anybody anything, just.... stating... facts.

[Circadian 1,273]

 

 

Theres no exceptions to this. Theres no getting around the hard factual knowledge that animal protein is required to be fully healthy.

 

You're wrong. There are plenty of exceptions to this. You don't know what you're talking about. 

 

 

Iron deficiency

 

As somebody that gets his iron levels checked twice a week (I sell plasma) I can safely say you're wrong. Spinach contains lots of iron. So do beans and many other easily accessible food sources. If anything vegetarians need to be concerned about getting vitamin B-12, which I happen to get from cheese and eggs. 

 

 

Problems gaining muscle mass.

 

We have no problem gaining muscle mass. Meat eaters can have the exact same problem. You're misinformed.  

 

 

 

So if you can find exceptions to this, be my guest, but you'll be VERY hard pressed to do so. Again, im not trying to convince anybody anything, just.... stating... facts.

 

 

I found exceptions to all of these and it was easy. I didn't even have to look because most of this is common knowledge. Your "facts" are not "facts". Vegetarians cut out the middle man to get our nutrition. If anything we're more efficient.  

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcF6WY8WYKw

 

Seriously, I like meat. While it's true that I mostly eat white meat like chicken cuz it's cheaper, I do like the taste of red meat. I also like to have a drink now and then. Just like with meat, I'm not about to go teetotal just cuz someone says it's bad. Sorry.

[Prince Of Madness 28]

Not sure if anyone said this before, but when cows fart, they release a gas that's part of the cause of global warming. If we don't manage to... "put down" these cows, the population will surely rise and boost the global warming. In the end, with the global warming that will eventually become so high within time, not only will us humans may die, but the cows, the pigs, etc. are literally cooking on a stove that was once called "Earth"

I'm only kidding, but at the same time, this is a bit correct

Most animals and humans (well all humans) Release Methane. Anyway farts only boost global warming a tiny bit, and the reason there is global warming is the fact that us humans use cars Way to often. 

[BronyPony 575]

You're wrong. There are plenty of exceptions to this. You don't know what you're talking about. 

 

 

 

 

As somebody that gets his iron levels checked twice a week (I sell plasma) I can safely say you're wrong. Spinach contains lots of iron. So do beans and many other easily accessible food sources. If anything vegetarians need to be concerned about getting vitamin B-12, which I happen to get from cheese and eggs. 

 

 

 

 

We have no problem gaining muscle mass. Meat eaters can have the exact same problem. You're misinformed.  

 

 

 

 

 

I found exceptions to all of these and it was easy. I didn't even have to look because most of this is common knowledge. Your "facts" are not "facts". Vegetarians cut out the middle man to get our nutrition. If anything we're more efficient.  

It isn't just that we CAN get these proteins and such, but HOW MUCH we can get.

 

If you have read articles or specific scientific journals about why humans eat meat instead of vegetables, they give very good reasons why humans need meat to improve our intelligence and to become more efficient.

 

• Species that have meat-based diets and can access them very well can be more intelligent then other species: There are things that meats have that plants do not. These things are vital for human intelligence, and therefore, if we want to evolve into a better species of course we need to eat meat.
• Not eating meat does NOT ALWAYS mean you will live longer: Those studies were only for a handful of people. Everybody's body is different. I might as well claim that eating gun powder with oatmeal seemed to make me live longer(someone really thought this).
• Meat-based diets are healthier for the brain: Studies do show that the brain functions way better on meat-based diets than just on vegetarian diets(At least the right meats, not like the hamburgers at BurgerKing and what not).

 

Notice how all the greatest scientists in the world eat meat? If you can find one that does not, please post his or her name.

 

http://www.memory-improvement-tips.com/brain-foods.html

Edited June 11, 2013 by BronyPony

[Circadian 1,273]

 

 

Notice how all the greatest scientists in the world eat meat? If you can find one that does not, please post his or her name.

 

Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein

 

 

Also, screw you. My brain is functions perfectly normally and I don't appreciate you insinuating vegetarians don't have properly developed minds.