Police shoots dog! [Disturbing]

[Zygen 6,066]

Eh, I can't watch the video, I don't really want to see a dog get shot.

 

I'm a bit of an Animal lover, so I really don't think it should've been killed. But depending on how aggressive it was being I guess he might have deemed it necessary.

 

However he I assume had some form of protective gear on and probably wasn't going to be hurt much even if it did go after him so he might have reacted to violently.

 

However the owner made some mistakes by having the window not rolled down and having his dog with him, and filming this thing.

 

Still I don't think the dogs death was necessary, even if it wasn't totally the officers fault I still feel bad for the owner, losing a dog to some people is literally like losing a brother or something, it hurts.

[Boop 102]

Honestly, I think the cop went overboard. I think they could of communicated with the guy better and have asked him to restrain his dog. I mean the guy who got arrested willfully went with the cops without any trouble. 

 

So, his window was down and his dog jumped out. These are one of the few small things we don't really think could happen during that last moment, but it did. It's terrible that the dog died and all. Goes to show you that dogs are loyal to the bone.

[Evilshy 5,090]

Hey, can we stay on topic? This thread is specifically about the guy shooting the dog, not gun control. There are other threads for that.

 

 

Anyway, is nobody thinking about the context? Judging by the amount of cop cars and the armored truck in the back, there was some serious stuff going on. The cops were all on edge, and are you saying you've never done anything you shouldn't have while in a high stress situation?

I'm not saying it was okay to shoot the dog, but this wasn't a case of some big, bad cop shooting some guys dog to be a dick (there are cops who do this, and it's horrible), it was a person making a judgement error in a high stress situation. He pretty clearly tried to calm the dog down, and he only shot when it lunged at his hand. I may not be a dog expert, but if a dog runs at me and then lunges at my hand, I'm going to think "oh shit he's trying to bit me". Doesn't help that I have been attacked by dogs before.

 

 

Also, about the protection, police usually only have a bullet proof vest. Great for shoot-outs, bad for a dog attack.

[Champion RD92 8,658]

I hate the police.  They're incompetent, brutal, abusive bullies for the most part. This just supports my case against them. I remember a while back the police around here got in trouble 1. For being racist and 2. For how an officer beat a retarded kid.

 

I think it depends on the area where you live. Police aren't always like that everywhere, it's not really fair to generalize them like that. A lot of police officers are genuinely very good people. Without them, we wouldn't be as safe.

[Galen 1,354]

In situations such as the ones the cops were in (from what I can see in the video was quite serious) they can't take the risk of a random individual possibly destabilizing the situation. I know this sounds completely crazy, but there have been past situations where distractions, even something as little as someone approaching a scene and recording it, have cost lives. 

 

If a civilian was shot during the situation BECAUSE the cops didn't tell them to back of or remove the individual from the scene, then they would be liable. It's a safer bet to detain and release than to just let someone walts around. Besides, he was there blasting his music and not giving any fucks as to what was happening and just wanted to record. If I was an officer on duty at that situation, I sure as hell wouldn't want something to be distracting me when lives are on the line. 

 

In the end though, this situation was (once again) handled poorly.

 

P.S. Can we take the whole "Guns are Terrible" discussion to another thread? I'd like to discuss the whole semantics of this situation than about the distribution of firearms. 

 

Are you sure you watched the video? The dog was out of the car for quite some time and all the officers had quite a good amount of time to assess the situation. The dog wasn't even trying to attack, he was just curious what they were doing to the owner and they shot him dead. Also, there was no reason to arrest the random individual. He was merely filming them and it's absolutely not illegal to question their activities. Don't believe me? Check this link here. The Justice Department supports this right as well. So there's absolutely no grounds for anyone to say he was destabilizing the situation.

 

The situation wasn't just handled poorly. What the cops did went against the man's rights, and the dog had to pay for it with his life to boot. How bucking trigger happy do they have to be before someone actually realizes how wrong they are?

 

If you specified that I wouldn't have tried to sound as hostile. The criminal with a bad record is going to try to get a gun legally? Criminals are not as dumb as they are pointed out to be. A gang will either use (sometimes force) someone with a clean record to buy a gun, that can be counted as initiation to the gang or their first assignment. I am not going to deny that Mexico gets its guns from the US because that is true.

 

Reduce supply in the US, and you reduce supply in Mexico as a consequence, and criminals wouldn't be able to get guns either way. Criminals aren't going to get their guns legally, but reducing supply is going to make it that much harder for them to get guns illegally too. That's the point I'm trying to make. I'm not going to add to this convo further since, as Accellerant said, this is for another thread.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Freedan

[Evilshy 5,090]

Are you sure you watched the video? The dog was out of the car for quite some time and all the officers had quite a good amount of time to assess the situation. The dog wasn't even trying to attack, he was just curious what they were doing to the owner and they shot him dead. Also, there was no reason to arrest the random individual. He was merely filming them and it's absolutely not illegal to question their activities. Don't believe me? Check this link here. The Justice Department supports this right as well. So there's absolutely no grounds for anyone to say he was destabilizing the situation.

 

The situation wasn't just handled poorly. What the cops did went against the man's rights, and the dog had to pay for it with his life to boot. How bucking trigger happy do they have to be before someone actually realizes how wrong they are?

 

It is legal, but a lot of cops still arrest people for filming it. Sad, but true

Also, since the guy left his car and was blasting music, there could be an argument made for him indirectly obstructing police activity. Arresting him was overreacting, but he wasn't faultless. And like I said, this was likely a pretty serious thing going on, and the cops were all on edge.

And you know that all these people who film cops are just hoping the cop will fuck up and do something wrong so they can sue the state, or put the video on YouTube and become famous. Big difference between watching somebody to make sure they're doing their job right and watching them so you can take advantage of them if they don't.

They'd piss me off if I was a cop, too.

 

 

 

I think it depends on the area where you live. Police aren't always like that everywhere, it's not really fair to generalize them like that. A lot of police officers are genuinely very good people. Without them, we wouldn't be as safe.

 

This.

Just the other day, I was walking home from hanging out with friends at around 3am and a cop stopped me. I asked why, and he said there had been some break-ins in the area and that they were stopping everybody he saw. We talked a bit while he ran my ID, and he was a really cool guy, even apologized afterwords for taking up my time.

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

So, this video has made it's way here...

I'll mirror my opinion here for discussion... If anyone cares.

 

1. The owner was in the wrong in the first place. He was spouting "I'm-oppressed-drama-queen" bullshit in front of the cameras. He was disrupting a serious police operation and I don't blame to cops for detaining him to be released later (if that would be the case).

 

2. He is clearly not fit for owning a dog. What was he going to do? Leave the animal inside the car? What if he was going to be detained for a long time? And the cherry on top is that the window was open. Seriously? Who is this idiot?

 

3. No. The dog did not pose a threat to the police officers. If it was ONE of them it could be said that it was a dangerous situation. But if I remember, there were four cops. They could have controlled that dog if they tried. They would have hurt it, but shooting it was not necessary. The animal was scared as fuck and anyone who has had contact with any breed can tell that. The cops didn't know how to handle the situation and they let it escalate from the beginning to the end.

 

4. It's a dog, not a sci-fi monster capable of jumping on someone's neck and actually seriously injuring someone.

 

5. Shooting ANYTHING is a last resort. Cops carry guns to protect their lives when they are threatened by someone that is also armed. Problem is that we take a normal Joe and give him a gun and a badge. "You're law now son." You bet a bunch of them are going to turn into little gods of the streets, and that is why stuff like this happen.

 

My conclusion on this is that the dog's owner needs to be lynched along with the coward fucker that had the nerve to shoot a scared and perfectly controllable dog under stress. They are police officers, supposed to keep a cool head under stress and if they can't do that, they need to be discharged from duty and never be allowed near a gun. EVER AGAIN.

[Raiden21 804]

Are you sure you watched the video? The dog was out of the car for quite some time and all the officers had quite a good amount of time to assess the situation. The dog wasn't even trying to attack, he was just curious what they were doing to the owner and they shot him dead. Also, there was no reason to arrest the random individual. He was merely filming them and it's absolutely not illegal to question their activities. Don't believe me? Check this link here. The Justice Department supports this right as well. So there's absolutely no grounds for anyone to say he was destabilizing the situation.

 

The situation wasn't just handled poorly. What the cops did went against the man's rights, and the dog had to pay for it with his life to boot. How bucking trigger happy do they have to be before someone actually realizes how wrong they are?

 

 

Reduce supply in the US, and you reduce supply in Mexico as a consequence, and criminals wouldn't be able to get guns either way. Criminals aren't going to get their guns legally, but reducing supply is going to make it that much harder for them to get guns illegally too. That's the point I'm trying to make. I'm not going to add to this convo further since, as Accellerant said, this is for another thread.

I do understand what you are saying if we drop supply in the US then Mexico will get less supply. If someone starts a new thread in the appropriate section, I will be happy to continue.

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Are you sure you watched the video? The dog was out of the car for quite some time and all the officers had quite a good amount of time to assess the situation. The dog wasn't even trying to attack, he was just curious what they were doing to the owner and they shot him dead. Also, there was no reason to arrest the random individual. He was merely filming them and it's absolutely not illegal to question their activities. Don't believe me? Check this link here. The Justice Department supports this right as well. So there's absolutely no grounds for anyone to say he was destabilizing the situation.

 

The situation wasn't just handled poorly. What the cops did went against the man's rights, and the dog had to pay for it with his life to boot. How bucking trigger happy do they have to be before someone actually realizes how wrong they are?

 

I wasn't insinuating that his recording was what got him arrested, I mean hell there were other individuals recording the situation besides himself. What I'm saying is that he was being the biggest distraction of them all, with the loud music and his own dog. We don't know what exactly happened prior to this recording. For all we know the officers could've told him to back off and turn off his music several minutes before this was recorded. 

Edited July 3, 2013 by Accellerant

[Galen 1,354]

It is legal, but a lot of cops still arrest people for filming it. Sad, but true

Also, since the guy left his car and was blasting music, there could be an argument made for him indirectly obstructing police activity. Arresting him was overreacting, but he wasn't faultless. And like I said, this was likely a pretty serious thing going on, and the cops were all on edge.

And you know that all these people who film cops are just hoping the cop will fuck up and do something wrong so they can sue the state, or put the video on YouTube and become famous. Big difference between watching somebody to make sure they're doing their job right and watching them so you can take advantage of them if they don't.

They'd piss me off if I was a cop, too.

 

Because it happens often doesn't make it right. Might makes right as a statement of belief is wrong on a billion different levels.

 

Yes, I can understand how blasting music could cause obstruction in the sense that he could be distracting, but as you say, it's still nothing worth arresting him for. There's no law that prevents him from blasting music anyways. One of the cops could've taken the time to kindly ask him to lower the volume in his car and I'm almost 100% certain he would've obliged. Nothing he was doing was wrong. Even if they were on edge, self control out to be a quality the police should practice daily, especially when dealing with average people who wouldn't know any better about what they are actually up to. Respect should go both ways, not just average person to police officer. Whatever the man's motivations were, he was not doing anything illegal. If his motivations were wrong, those would've likely surfaced later on.

[Fluttering High 55]

That poor dog. I am a dog lover, (and ironically enough my name literally means lover of hounds) and even though I can sort of imagine reacting instinctively like that, what he did was horrible. He didn't even look sorry afterwards. If I had done that, I would shoot off my own kneecaps just to take my mind off what I had just done. If that was my dog and I was that guy I would have gone completely apes--t on those guys. I would eviscerate the cops just for being such disgusting monsters. I'm not sure if there is a hell or not, but if there is, those policemen deserve to burn in it forever.

[Galen 1,354]

@, He was not in the wrong. Filming cops is not illegal and as my links proved, it's supported by both the Supreme Court and the Justice Department. He was indiscreet, yes, but what he did was by no means any reason to warrant his arrest.

 

I wasn't insinuating that his recording was what got him arrested, I mean hell there were other individuals recording the situation besides himself. What I'm saying is that he was being the biggest distraction of them all, with the loud music and his own dog. We don't know what exactly happened prior to this recording. For all we know the officers could've told him to back off and turn off his music several minutes before this was recorded. 

 

And as I said, the cops should've handled this such that one cop asking him nicely to lower the volume in his car would've sufficed. It's not as tho that's against the law either. As to the matter of him being uncooperative, to me it looked as tho the guy was headed for his car before the cops decided to come in and make the arrest which, btw, still wasn't warranted and the subsequent events proved far more distracting than the music.

[Evilshy 5,090]

Because it happens often doesn't make it right. Might makes right as a statement of belief is wrong on a billion different levels.

 

Yes, I can understand how blasting music could cause obstruction in the sense that he could be distracting, but as you say, it's still nothing worth arresting him for. There's no law that prevents him from blasting music anyways. One of the cops could've taken the time to kindly ask him to lower the volume in his car and I'm almost 100% certain he would've obliged. Nothing he was doing was wrong. Even if they were on edge, self control out to be a quality the police should practice daily, especially when dealing with average people who wouldn't know any better about what they are actually up to. Respect should go both ways, not just average person to police officer. Whatever the man's motivations were, he was not doing anything illegal. If his motivations were wrong, those would've likely surfaced later on.

 

I didn't say it made it right, just that it is fairly common.

 

And i actually doubt he would've complied. Judging by other videos like this, he probably would've made a big deal about it, saying it was his right to play loud music, hoping the cops would arrest him so he could sue.

And yes, the police should've exhibited more self control in this situation.

 

You must understand I'm not saying that the officer wasn't at fault, just that people should stop acting like the guy did nothing wrong and that the officer is an evil douchebag.

[~Squishy Skies~ 756]

You must understand I'm not saying that the officer wasn't at fault, just that people should stop acting like the guy did nothing wrong and that the officer is an evil douchebag.

The death of the dog is entirely the officers fault, and that cannot be ignored. It is true that the man who was being detained was misbehaving, but the cop still wrongly killed his dog. 

 

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, there was absolutely NO REASON to kill the dog. There were many other approaches that could have been taken. This cop made a bad, incomprehensibly stupid mistake, and it's entirely his fault. No one else forced him to shoot the dog. He just reacted wrong.

 

I don't believe he's an evil person, he's only human, but he doesn't know how to react in these situations. He's not fit for the job.

[Galen 1,354]

I didn't say it made it right, just that it is fairly common.

 

And i actually doubt he would've complied. Judging by other videos like this, he probably would've made a big deal about it, saying it was his right to play loud music, hoping the cops would arrest him so he could sue.

And yes, the police should've exhibited more self control in this situation.

 

You must understand I'm not saying that the officer wasn't at fault, just that people should stop acting like the guy did nothing wrong and that the officer is an evil douchebag.

 

That's the problem tho. The guy didn't actually do anything wrong from a legal perspective. I agree that he ought to have been more discreet and respectful by lowering his volume right away when he was told to, but at the same time, such a thing shouldn't have been taken as disruptive unless there's actually any way to prove the guy was deliberately trying to be a distraction. Arresting him was overkill for all intents and purposes. And like I said, subsequent events proved far more distracting than the music ever could have been. Letting him go and allowing him to get the dog back in the car would've been far more sensible.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Freedan

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

@,

The dog's owner? He wasn't just filming. He was harassing the cops, asking stuff like "Why there are no black cops".

That's why I said he was doing the drama queen routine.

 

EDIT: By the way, this piece of information came from the TYT's video on this.

Edited July 3, 2013 by moonlightavenger

[XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 777]

And as I said, the cops should've handled this such that one cop asking him nicely to lower the volume in his car would've sufficed. It's not as tho that's against the law either. As to the matter of him being uncooperative, to me it looked as tho the guy was headed for his car before the cops decided to come in and make the arrest which, btw, still wasn't warranted and the subsequent events proved far more distracting than the music.

 

Again, we don't know what happened earlier before this recording. For all we know, they told him to back off and indeed told him to turn it down already as it is. If you listen in at 28-29 seconds in, someone remarks that "He's still blasting music" which hints that the officers possibly did tell him to turn it down already. Depending on how the court sees this case, they could say that he was an obstruction of justice and that the officers were in their every right to arrest him. 

 

I'm no professional when it comes to the law nor how the court carries out their rulings but it's not going to surprise me if the rulings come out ass backwards in a way which we never expected. If a robber can outright WIN a lawsuit against someone defending themselves, what's to say it won't happen here? Besides, I'm sure there's VITAL pieces of information we're missing to this situation, so we can't for sure say that the video is the whole story. 

Edited July 3, 2013 by Accellerant

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

By the way, does anyone have any information on what happened afterwards?

Was the owner arrested or released? Bail? 

Did the dog survive?

Is there any kind of investigation on what happened being made?

[XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 777]

By the way, does anyone have any information on what happened afterwards?

Was the owner arrested or released? Bail? 

Did the dog survive?

Is there any kind of investigation on what happened being made?

 

According to this article @ Dailymail.co.uk, the owner was arrested on suspicion of obstruction of justice but was released @ 5AM the next day. His dog is dead and police are refusing as of right now to release Max's body to Rosby, the owner of the Rottweiler. There is plans for Rosby to file a lawsuit against the Hawthorne police department which will result in an investigation being made I'm sure. 

 

I really hope Rosby's case doesn't float but the reality is that he'll probably make a private deal with them and he'll get what he wants.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Accellerant

[Galen 1,354]

The dog's owner? He wasn't just filming. He was harassing the cops, asking stuff like "Why there are no black cops". That's why I said he was doing the drama queen routine.

 

I'd like to know if that is warrant for arrest. Personally, I'd be disgusted if police try to twist this so much to make it look like obstruction. Sure, it was stupid and most certainly a distraction, I'm not denying that. But did it deserve him being arrested? Absolutely not. What happened later proved much more distracting anyways, nvm the gravity of a cop shooting an innocent creature when he wasn't a threat to begin with?

 

I really hope Rosby's case doesn't float but the reality is that he'll probably make a private deal with them and he'll get what he wants.

 

Why shouldn't it float? Regardless of whether or not the man was ill-intentioned when filming the police officers, they killed his dog. That sort of thing really shouldn't be taken so lightly. Let's say you're right and he was looking for an excuse to sue them. You could now say they handed a reason to him on a golden platter. You can't compare childish harassment to killing a dog which was not a threat.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Freedan

[ReGen 1,466]

It seems most people are jumping to conclusions instead of actually thinking. Does everything have to be so black and white?

 

Anyways, the dog must have saw his owner being taken away and maybe rushed out to protect him. The police officer probably mistook this as an attack and acted in self-defense.

 

Was he right in shooting it? No, but if you thought a dog was going to attack you, you would have done something.

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

@,

 

In my country, Brazil, it is ground for temporary detainment. The guy is not really arrested. He is "kept for investigation". It's like a "step down" from being arrested.

I may be confusing the terms in the translation, but from the article Accellerant linked here...

 

 

 

According to this article @ Dailymail.co.uk, the owner was arrested on suspicion of obstruction of justice but was released @ 5AM the next day. His dog is dead and police are refusing as of right now to release Max's body to Rosby, the owner of the Rottweiler. There is plans for Rosby to file a lawsuit against the Hawthorne police department which will result in an investigation being made I'm sure.    I really hope Rosby's case doesn't float but the reality is that he'll probably make a private deal with them and he'll get what he wants.

 

... the owner was "detained".

[Galen 1,354]

@,

 

In my country, Brazil, it is ground for temporary detainment. The guy is not really arrested. He is "kept for investigation". It's like a "step down" from being arrested.

I may be confusing the terms in the translation, but from the article Accellerant linked here...

 

 

 

 

... the owner was "detained".

 

Well, I'm not very keen on trusting Daily Fail so fast, but for the sake of argument, fair enough if he was simply being detained, not to mention he complied quite easily with this detainment so there's reason to believe it could be true. The police still should've at least allowed him to reassure his dog and put him back in the car. If it was simple detainment, that should imply the guy was not an actual threat. Releasing him temporarily would've hurt nobody.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

 

Couple of days ago swat and police are waiting on people to come out of the house, when a guy pulls up to record the scene. The man who drove up in the car left his loud music on and that was distracting the police in their  investigation. The man saw the police coming so he put his dog in the car. But he did not close the window. Police comes up to him to arrest him, then the dog comes up the window and runs to the man, it wasnt going to bite but i guess thats what the officer thought so he took out his gun and shot it multiple times.

 

 

Beware its very disturbing

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• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

 

You think that's disturbing? Sometimes people just do things that are downright disgraceful and make me sick enough to throw up.

 

This is one such video.

 

 

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this kind of thing happens all the time.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Harmonic Revelations

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

This is very disturbing indeed.

 

I do blame the cops for shooting the dog, I mean, that was excessive force.

 

Imagine if from now on, if people started to protect people who are going to get arrested get shot brutally for "criminal apprentice" or something.

 

Overall, this is identical proof that cops use excessive force at the wrong times, then again, I've seen this happen so many times before, I sometimes wonder how long it will be before a riot will strike at the police force...