Chaos: is it Really Evil?

[The Prime Reaper 180]

 

 

We as humans created good and evil.

 

 

Damn right! That is the greatest invention of all times rather than fire.

You should know that we have so far only covered 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the rules of the universe.

There are tons of rules out there that we should know.

God don't roll dice when creating and stabilizing the world.

 

Chaos is the fragment of our freewill, it is one of our creation.

 

 

On your second point, I see no evidence that Chaos is a strictly human construct. Until you provide your reasoning for this point, your whole argument will not work.   Now, let us assume that you prove that Chaos is a strictly human construct, what then? You still need to explain to me why Chaos is Evil. From what I read, you are defining "evil" as anything that goes against natural law. But natural law is all-encompassing. All man-made laws are derived from it.   Further, natural law applies to the whole of the Universe, including Chaos. I see no evidence whatsoever that Chaos is unnatural. Chaos just happened, because when Order was created, its opposite was created too, since Order and Chaos rely on each other to exist. You can't have one without the other. It's not possible. So in short, I still do not see your reasoning for your statement that Chaos is evil. Arguments of natural law actually support the fact that Chaos is not evil.

First, let's see again. Take these examples to your mind, there is a reason how did human create chaos.

 

- We put five innocient humans who don't have any knowledge of this world like the new-born babies, We put them in an isolated island that has everything for survival. Hatred, fear and sorrow don't exsist in them nor they don't know about them. These five people will start to come up with ideas for survival; they will first cooperate with each other to live. They build big houses made of woods on the island. But they will have new ideas of what to do next, each one will have different idea to each other. Everyone doesn't listen to each other but criticizing each other. Noted: They have given freewill and have no laws at all. They will spark the violent blood in them; they will chaoticly ravage the island until all other people die. In the end of all of them died as the island crumbled into chaos and destroyed into nothingness. It proved that humans are naturally violent and naturally chaotic since there is no law to restrict them around so they can think to do whatever they want.

 

- Secondly, let's see what we put rules on this time. We will put a delicious chocolate cake on a table, we specifically order the child (test subject) not to eat the cake, that is a rule. The child will first ignore the cake and know the rule of the game. He has been known as a honest-always obeyed child. The child later will be tempted by the cake, but the order restrains him with fear to prevent him. As his hunger grows stronger, he finally takes a bite of the cake. He is so clumsy in which the chocolate marks on everywhere in this house as he forgot to clean his hands. Chaos was born even there is still exsistence of order before the cake, we humans as that child.

 

Now do you see how much chaos is really corrupt? It can make the most innocient new-born kid to be driven to do an evil work against the law which his mother specifically told him not to. These five humans on the island are also just conflicted with each other in the end only leading to a chaotic bloodshed. That is what happened when we are given freewill, freewill to create chaos. Beside, order doesn't rely on chaos to exsist; order is ruling the universe by itself as there is somewhere in the universe has an infinite written laws on infinite tablet. Aristotle said: "There is nothing can beat the law." He stated that the law is always almighty and no power can stop the law to punish their sinned ones. So applying in this universe, the order created by the creator then commanding it to help humans use freewill correctly without helping its enemy, chaos.

[Galen 1,354]

^ All I see in your post is assumptions. Are you able to provide any evidence that those experiments even took place? We really have no way of knowing whether or not the first experiment would end as you say without fail. What you didn't factor in is that perhaps as they bonded together in order to survive, they would make a compromise over their ideas and discuss which one is the best one for the sake of everyone's survival because at some point, they likely realized they cannot survive on their own.

Edited October 25, 2013 by ~Chaotic Freedan~

[BalanceBrony 259]

^ All I see in your post is assumptions. Are you able to provide any evidence that those experiments even took place? We really have no way of knowing whether or not the first experiment would end as you say without fail. What you didn't factor in is that perhaps as they bonded together in order to survive, they would make a compromise over their ideas and discuss which one is the best one for the sake of everyone's survival because at some point, they likely realized they cannot survive on their own.

I agree I feel those examples inadequately explain their reasoning, and also inadequately answer my refutation, given that they are assumptions based on an appeal to natural state and natural law, which, if you are familiar with these concepts, you know that there are numerous interpretations. The only thing all philosophers agree on is that everypony has a natural right to preserve themselves, and that humans will do anything to survive (unless you support Locke and Rousseau, who state humans will work together as a first resort, and only turn against each other if they have exhausted all other options).

 

Prime's view of humanity's natural state is very Hobbesian, believing that humans are inherently bad. I disagree, believing Rousseau more, who says that humans are inherently good and will not act against each other except in extreme circumstances. I think this discrepancy will prevent the debate from progressing anywhere. And as you pointed out, different circumstances would yield different experimental results. In some cases, you might even have a full society  develop to preserve the people on the island. It all depends on the individual reasoning and nature of the people, as well as their dynamic with each other. There are too many factors to this scenario to make an adequate argument for a specific view of natural state.

 

The only thing you can say about human nature from this is that humans are naturally reasonable and logical, Although personally, I would say that as reasonable creatures, humans would tend towards Rousseau's view of human nature. But that is an assumption on my part.

 

 

 

Damn right! That is the greatest invention of all times rather than fire.

You should know that we have so far only covered 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the rules of the universe.

There are tons of rules out there that we should know.

God don't roll dice when creating and stabilizing the world.

 

Chaos is the fragment of our freewill, it is one of our creation.

 

 

First, let's see again. Take these examples to your mind, there is a reason how did human create chaos.

 

- We put five innocient humans who don't have any knowledge of this world like the new-born babies, We put them in an isolated island that has everything for survival. Hatred, fear and sorrow don't exsist in them nor they don't know about them. These five people will start to come up with ideas for survival; they will first cooperate with each other to live. They build big houses made of woods on the island. But they will have new ideas of what to do next, each one will have different idea to each other. Everyone doesn't listen to each other but criticizing each other. Noted: They have given freewill and have no laws at all. They will spark the violent blood in them; they will chaoticly ravage the island until all other people die. In the end of all of them died as the island crumbled into chaos and destroyed into nothingness. It proved that humans are naturally violent and naturally chaotic since there is no law to restrict them around so they can think to do whatever they want.

 

- Secondly, let's see what we put rules on this time. We will put a delicious chocolate cake on a table, we specifically order the child (test subject) not to eat the cake, that is a rule. The child will first ignore the cake and know the rule of the game. He has been known as a honest-always obeyed child. The child later will be tempted by the cake, but the order restrains him with fear to prevent him. As his hunger grows stronger, he finally takes a bite of the cake. He is so clumsy in which the chocolate marks on everywhere in this house as he forgot to clean his hands. Chaos was born even there is still exsistence of order before the cake, we humans as that child.

 

Now do you see how much chaos is really corrupt? It can make the most innocient new-born kid to be driven to do an evil work against the law which his mother specifically told him not to. These five humans on the island are also just conflicted with each other in the end only leading to a chaotic bloodshed. That is what happened when we are given freewill, freewill to create chaos. Beside, order doesn't rely on chaos to exsist; order is ruling the universe by itself as there is somewhere in the universe has an infinite written laws on infinite tablet. Aristotle said: "There is nothing can beat the law." He stated that the law is always almighty and no power can stop the law to punish their sinned ones. So applying in this universe, the order created by the creator then commanding it to help humans use freewill correctly without helping its enemy, chaos.

 

 The Good/Evil duality is the greatest invention ever? Are you seriously saying that? How much simpler would life be if Good (and therefore Evil) did not exist? How much less conflict would be in the world? This moral struggle causes so much strife, philosophically, physically, and emotionally. The existence of these concepts causes so much suffering in the world. We'd be better off without either of them.

 

Now, as for the notion of Chaos... You still have not proven that it is a strictly human construct. In Nature, outside of human life, one can observe chaos. Chaos naturally happens, in the form of disasters, diseases, evolution, genetics, chemistry, physics, and numerous other things that would exist whether or not humans were ever created. As such, Chaos is not something emanating from human consciousness. It is a natural part of life. To claim that Chaos does not exist defies everything which has been proven in the sciences and via observation. If you are an unbiased scientist, you would see that. Chaos is undeniable, and whether humans exist or not, there would still be disasters, diseases, and all of the other things which I mentioned. And since it does exist objectively, the rest of your argument falls apart.

[The Prime Reaper 180]

 

 

Now, as for the notion of Chaos... You still have not proven that it is a strictly human construct. In Nature, outside of human life, one can observe chaos. Chaos naturally happens, in the form of disasters, diseases, evolution, genetics, chemistry, physics, and numerous other things that would exist whether or not humans were ever created. As such, Chaos is not something emanating from human consciousness. It is a natural part of life. To claim that Chaos does not exist defies everything which has been proven in the sciences and via observation. If you are an unbiased scientist, you would see that. Chaos is undeniable, and whether humans exist or not, there would still be disasters, diseases, and all of the other things which I mentioned. And since it does exist objectively, the rest of your argument falls apart.

 

Catastrophic events if you observed deeply, they are all having patterns! PATTERNS! PATTERNS! PATTERNS! PATTERNS!

Why these catastrophic events of pestillence, hunger, war,... happened? Because the human population rising, the more people reproduce, the more catastrophic events have to come so Death can have his job to stabilize the order of the universe.

 

The reason i saying that chaos didn't exsist for now because of a common philosophy called the world running by laws and patterns.

Many scientists trying to prove the exsistence of chaos but when observing all of them clearly. They have patterns somewhere in it!!

BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE! It is chaotic because our freewill imagines anything so most things we teaching our kids about the universe today are all based on theories! THEORIES!

 

Like an asteroid, it doesn't move arcording to its will but moving with a pattern. The pattern of moving circularly and roundly!

I still haven't yet claimed the denial exsistence of chaos but it is what my mind and soul connected to say.

We humans have only covered verrry fews of natural laws to be taught in schools but there are plenty of laws out there need to be learned.

 

Everything has its patterns! No matter what you do believe it moves without directions nor guidances; there are always patterns somewhere. 

If you don't agree that our freewill created chaos, fine.

But i also have another thing in contrast to thing i just said, or chaos is the unknown laws we don't know? (I have two theories of chaos but i still much prefer the theory of freewill).

[Malinter 3,064]

 

Damn right! That is the greatest invention of all times rather than fire.

 

Lies! The Toaster is the greatest of all inventions. Good & Evil came afterwards when they realised it could only cook so many slices toast at a time.

[The Prime Reaper 180]

^ All I see in your post is assumptions. Are you able to provide any evidence that those experiments even took place? We really have no way of knowing whether or not the first experiment would end as you say without fail. What you didn't factor in is that perhaps as they bonded together in order to survive, they would make a compromise over their ideas and discuss which one is the best one for the sake of everyone's survival because at some point, they likely realized they cannot survive on their own.

 

Your post and BalancePony's view on chaos are also assumptions if you put it that way. Since chaos is still a theory while order is already proved through law of gravity of Newton and other proven laws along with other unproven laws.

The world is balance when there is a law total overseeing everything, setting the rules to play the long soltaire game of life and death; love and hate;.....

 

I came up with these experiments after researching philosophies of many authors long ago like Geoge Orwell, Descrates,....

Lord of The Flies is the best book to illustrate the first experiment as the author believes the importance of order in society and the world.

Beside my post didn't target ponies but targetting humans, the creators of fictional world of Equestria. 

Lies! The Toaster is the greatest of all inventions. Good & Evil came afterwards when they realised it could only cook so many slices toast at a time.

 

Human invented Good vs Evil concept first to "answer" the mysteries on the universe since we didn't crawl of caves yet.

After we crawled out caves in which fire was invented at the same times.

 

Toaster should thank Fire because fire is the beginning of human knowledge.

Edited October 25, 2013 by The Prime Reaper

[Malinter 3,064]

 

 

Toaster should thank Fire because fire is the beginning of human knowledge.

 

Fire alone counts as a toaster, y'know. Also. Who ever came up the idea of toast is the greatest champion humanity has ever had, alas this paragon shall never be known.

[The Prime Reaper 180]

Fire alone counts as a toaster, y'know. Also. Who ever came up the idea of toast is the greatest champion humanity has ever had, alas this paragon shall never be known.

 

If the fire as a toaster, y'know. So you are still wrong! Barbeque is the greatest and first champion humanity has ever had, he gave tasty barbequed steaks on everysunday. 

(Since the beginning, bread hasn't invented yet so human can only barbeque meats)

Edited October 25, 2013 by The Prime Reaper

[BalanceBrony 259]

Your post and BalancePony's view on chaos are also assumptions if you put it that way. Since chaos is still a theory while order is already proved through law of gravity of Newton and other proven laws along with other unproven laws.

The world is balance when there is a law total overseeing everything, setting the rules to play the long soltaire game of life and death; love and hate;.....

 

I came up with these experiments after researching philosophies of many authors long ago like Geoge Orwell, Descrates,....

Lord of The Flies is the best book to illustrate the first experiment as the author believes the importance of order in society and the world.

Beside my post didn't target ponies but targetting humans, the creators of fictional world of Equestria. 

 

Human invented Good vs Evil concept first to "answer" the mysteries on the universe since we didn't crawl of caves yet.

After we crawled out caves in which fire was invented at the same times.

 

Toaster should thank Fire because fire is the beginning of human knowledge.

Yes, we are employing some assumptions too. I pointed out which things were assumptions in my above post.

 

It doesn't matter who said what. Just as there are examples supporting your view of human nature, there are also many examples supporting our view of human nature. It all depends on circumstances, as I mentioned above.

 

And as I have continually pointed out. Order =/= Balance. Pure Order is in fact contradictory to Balance. If there is too much Order, society is at risk of stagnating. Or unrest may arise. Or tyranny can occur. Or injustice can occur. We are not talking about an ideal society here, with God ruling over it and such. In the real world, prolonged or extensive Order will result in society being hurt. There needs to be some Chaos (such as freedom, rights, differences, and conflicts) or else the Order will collapse into itself, creating Chaos anyway. Pure Order eventually leads to Chaos. Pure Chaos eventually develops some Order. Given these truths, we need to work with the Universe, and not against it.

 

You can dislike the Universe's Way, but if you do not give into the Way, and work with it, the Way will crush you. The Way is Harmony- a peaceful coexistence between different aspects of life. The Way is Balance- a reconciliation between opposing forces. The Way is Peace, and Happiness, and the Beauty of everything in existence, whether Chaotic or Orderly. Chaos exists, and so does Order.

 

It's not just a case of you shouldn't try to eliminate aspects of life. You can't eliminate aspects of life. The Universe won't allow it. God made everything as it is for a reason, and everything will adhere to God's original intention for existence. Like it or not, Chaos and Order both exist because God allows them to. If it were not his will, it would not be there. Both Chaos and Order have good aspects in them. You can accept this, or deny the history which has happened, and the notions which we see working every day.

 

And, to let you know exactly what you need to work with: I don't believe in free will, or Good and Evil.

 

Fire is the start of human knowledge? In this case, I know what I'm talking about, as somepony who has studied the origins or human intelligence, via my studies as an anthropology student. There is no single event which marks the beginning of human knowledge. It was a process which developed as changing climate drove humans to new in environments, forcing us to adapt. Various evolutionary and environmental factors slowly drove us towards our extensive intellect today. It is a long chain events, some of which are speculative, which I do not feel like spelling out. All I can say is that fire is not even on the list, in most cases.

 

No offense, it was just my anthropological knowledge which made this irk me. When something crosses my specialities, I can't help but be nit-picky. It's the same reason I keep lashing out when you describe Balance incorrectly.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Without Chaos everybody would be the same, in that sense, Harmony is actually the more evil ideal. As any real unique variance in a system would technically be "Chaos", since to be unique it wouldn't have a real pattern.

 

Also, free will is a subject of Chaos, as an ideal lack of chaos would have everything working towards the same purpose, without variance.

[BalanceBrony 259]

Without Chaos everybody would be the same, in that sense, Harmony is actually the more evil ideal. As any real unique variance in a system would technically be "Chaos", since to be unique it wouldn't have a real pattern.

 

Also, free will is a subject of Chaos, as an ideal lack of chaos would have everything working towards the same purpose, without variance.

Well, the lack of any force would really amount to a lack of variation. That's one of the whole reasons Harmony is important. Eliminate anything and you will make existence less variable, and more stale.

[Galen 1,354]

Your post and BalancePony's view on chaos are also assumptions if you put it that way. Since chaos is still a theory while order is already proved through law of gravity of Newton and other proven laws along with other unproven laws.

The world is balance when there is a law total overseeing everything, setting the rules to play the long soltaire game of life and death; love and hate;.....

 

I came up with these experiments after researching philosophies of many authors long ago like Geoge Orwell, Descrates,....

Lord of The Flies is the best book to illustrate the first experiment as the author believes the importance of order in society and the world.

Beside my post didn't target ponies but targetting humans, the creators of fictional world of Equestria. 

 

Human invented Good vs Evil concept first to "answer" the mysteries on the universe since we didn't crawl of caves yet.

After we crawled out caves in which fire was invented at the same times.

 

Toaster should thank Fire because fire is the beginning of human knowledge.

 

Yes, perhaps there are assumptions involved in the views I put forward, which, as BalanceBrony points out, is a result of circumstantial evidence pointing toward humans behaving a certain manner. Which is the greatest difference with your circumstantial evidence that isn't evidence at all. There is evidence either way, but none that you have pointed out because, as you have also admitted, you've made it all up for the sake of your argument, so do excuse me if I think you haven't shown anything even remotely credible for this discussion. When you showcase actual experiments carried out in the real world instead of your mind, where such experiment's outcomes will be decided by your own bias without fail, then perhaps I'll consider what you said.

[The Prime Reaper 180]

Yes, we are employing some assumptions too. I pointed out which things were assumptions in my above post.

 

It doesn't matter who said what. Just as there are examples supporting your view of human nature, there are also many examples supporting our view of human nature. It all depends on circumstances, as I mentioned above.

 

And as I have continually pointed out. Order =/= Balance. Pure Order is in fact contradictory to Balance. If there is too much Order, society is at risk of stagnating. Or unrest may arise. Or tyranny can occur. Or injustice can occur. We are not talking about an ideal society here, with God ruling over it and such. In the real world, prolonged or extensive Order will result in society being hurt. There needs to be some Chaos (such as freedom, rights, differences, and conflicts) or else the Order will collapse into itself, creating Chaos anyway. Pure Order eventually leads to Chaos. Pure Chaos eventually develops some Order. Given these truths, we need to work with the Universe, and not against it.

 

You can dislike the Universe's Way, but if you do not give into the Way, and work with it, the Way will crush you. The Way is Harmony- a peaceful coexistence between different aspects of life. The Way is Balance- a reconciliation between opposing forces. The Way is Peace, and Happiness, and the Beauty of everything in existence, whether Chaotic or Orderly. Chaos exists, and so does Order.

 

It's not just a case of you shouldn't try to eliminate aspects of life. You can't eliminate aspects of life. The Universe won't allow it. God made everything as it is for a reason, and everything will adhere to God's original intention for existence. Like it or not, Chaos and Order both exist because God allows them to. If it were not his will, it would not be there. Both Chaos and Order have good aspects in them. You can accept this, or deny the history which has happened, and the notions which we see working every day.

 

And, to let you know exactly what you need to work with: I don't believe in free will, or Good and Evil.

 

Fire is the start of human knowledge? In this case, I know what I'm talking about, as somepony who has studied the origins or human intelligence, via my studies as an anthropology student. There is no single event which marks the beginning of human knowledge. It was a process which developed as changing climate drove humans to new in environments, forcing us to adapt. Various evolutionary and environmental factors slowly drove us towards our extensive intellect today. It is a long chain events, some of which are speculative, which I do not feel like spelling out. All I can say is that fire is not even on the list, in most cases.

 

No offense, it was just my anthropological knowledge which made this irk me. When something crosses my specialities, I can't help but be nit-picky. It's the same reason I keep lashing out when you describe Balance incorrectly.

 

Ponies aren't real, they are fictional and conceptial by the mind of Lauren Faust, a decent human being like everyone else.

They somehow created by Lauren in order to ease the sorrow of humans as well our violent nature.

Ponies reflecting some qualities of their creators, humans.

 

Beside ponies are just still primitive for they didn't industrialize yet but on the scale of pre-industrial revolution.

It seems the Lauren and order don't want to ponies to evolve further beside they don't have the knowledge about their creators for we are omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

 

No offense, balance is the equality of order and chaos while harmony is the victory of order over chaos.

Catastrophe is the domination of chaos over order for small amount of times.

Yes, perhaps there are assumptions involved in the views I put forward, which, as BalanceBrony points out, is a result of circumstantial evidence pointing toward humans behaving a certain manner. Which is the greatest difference with your circumstantial evidence that isn't evidence at all. There is evidence either way, but none that you have pointed out because, as you have also admitted, you've made it all up for the sake of your argument, so do excuse me if I think you haven't shown anything even remotely credible for this discussion. When you showcase actual experiments carried out in the real world instead of your mind, where such experiment's outcomes will be decided by your own bias without fail, then perhaps I'll consider what you said.

 

No offense, i will consider your both's point of view.

Beside to do this experiments, it would cause a little much money or i will have to break the law to test it.

I will try if the order allows me.

[BalanceBrony 259]

Ponies aren't real, they are fictional and conceptial by the mind of Lauren Faust, a decent human being like everyone else.

They somehow created by Lauren in order to ease the sorrow of humans as well our violent nature.

Ponies reflecting some qualities of their creators, humans.

 

Beside ponies are just still primitive for they didn't industrialize yet but on the scale of pre-industrial revolution.

It seems the Lauren and order don't want to ponies to evolve further beside they don't have the knowledge about their creators for we are omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

 

No offense, balance is the equality of order and chaos while harmony is the victory of order over chaos.

Catastrophe is the domination of chaos over order for small amount of times.

 

No offense, i will consider your both's point of view.

Beside to do this experiments, it would cause a little much money or i will have to break the law to test it.

I will try if the order allows me.

They are not pre-industrial. We see electric lights, music equipment, sewing machines, factories, production devices, and whole modern cities in Equestria. They also have a well-structured economy. It's just that ponies don't need a lot of industrial things, because they have magic to do most functions.

 

 Harmony is =/= Pure Order. Balance is a prerequisite for Harmony to exist, and Balance requires both Order and Chaos. Here is a simple logic chain.

 

Balance requires Order and Chaos to be Equal.

Harmony requires Balance.

Therefore, Harmony requires Order and Chaos to be Equal.

 

I don't know where you are getting the idea that Order is the same as Harmony. Harmony is a philosophical concept which requires all living things to live together in Peace. What you propose is incessant conflict. "Good" must defeat "Evil." Order must supercede Chaos. But you are ignoring the fact that realistically, none of these conflicts will ever end. The answer is then to avoid conflict completely. And the only way we can do that is to choose peace... choose acceptance. Tolerate and respect each other, regardless of views.

 

Why do you want conflict so badly? Do you really want an endless struggle over petty differences in ideology? Do you want to set out on missions that won't be completed? The conflict will not end if you choose to pursue it. The only way we can have Harmony is if we live together in Peace... There is so much hurt and pain in the world. It is not right to cause more by starting wars which will never end. The proper thing to do is to take the high ground and say "I will not fight any more." Take the high ground and say "I accept you, even though you think differently from me. I will allow our difference, and even open my mind to your side."In fact, the right thing is to go even further and say "I will hear you, and maybe I will learn."

 

When God put us here, He did not say "Go out and fight. Order must rule, and slaughter anypony who disagrees!"  He only wanted us to live together, and enjoy the beauty of His existence. We were meant to be His people, and God's people are peaceful. We are not here to fight. We are here to live, grow, and learn about everything that makes life beautiful. Our purpose is to revel in God's creation. And that includes ALL aspects of His creation. We are not meant to start wars we can't win, or oppress anypony who differs from us. We are meant to accept each other, and everything that makes us beautiful. So, we should embrace Order AND Chaos, light AND dark, joy AND sadness. These things all exist for a reason. They all have their roles to play in life, and things would not be as diverse and beautiful if any of these were missing. Harmony is the Way, and the Way is beautiful.

[The Prime Reaper 180]

 

 

When God put us here, He did not say "Go out and fight. Order must rule, and slaughter anypony who disagrees!"

 

Ponies are fictional, they are not real.

Beside the more you protest against my idea, i will much more respect to that.

Countless wars and slaughters happened in human history, it happened for an unknown ordered reason.

 

Chaos may not exsist in reality but exsisting in fictional world.

And all of them governed by rules.

Discord is still being played by some rules in some occasions. The most nostorious rule is not to kill any pony!

[Scootadress 361]

Well, for me, Chaos is neutral. Its mainly because it could happen to anyone and everyone. Its not picky, if it happens, its not like it purposely does, it just happens.

 

 

Any pony see Powderpuff Girls? There's a banned episode that dealt well with it controversially. Basically, the town is in trouble and every villain attacks and this causes a gnome to appear. He offers them nnormalization at the price their powers are his and the town to. They agree and the town is his for a duration of the episode. Professor tells them that they shouldn't give what makes them special away and basically energizes the girls to do the right thing. They, discovering their powers weren't taken really, fly to him and they beat him. This we learn was the moral:Despite what horrid problems arise, they aren't leaving and you have to face them yourself. The girls learned that even if you took away all the bad guys, there will always be bad guys. Hence 'ying and yang' song.

 

That summed my view. Its always around, its not bad, but not good. Ignore ALL implications the episode gave towards Capitalism and communism.

Edited October 28, 2013 by Scootadress

[BalanceBrony 259]

Ponies are fictional, they are not real.

Beside the more you protest against my idea, i will much more respect to that.

Countless wars and slaughters happened in human history, it happened for an unknown ordered reason.

 

Chaos may not exsist in reality but exsisting in fictional world.

And all of them governed by rules.

Discord is still being played by some rules in some occasions. The most nostorious rule is not to kill any pony!

Countless wars and slaughters... happened for an ordered reason... and yet you still say Order is inherently good, when so many bad things happen because of it? I did not think you really supported conflict, and that's where I targeted my rhetoric. But this comment shows that clearly you don't mind any level of suffering, as long as it is for Order. Even when Order is the source of the problem, you still cling to it...

 

What makes you so blindly believe in Order? No matter what reasoning I provide, your final point always goes back to the same thing. Your point always ends up being that Order is universal. When I ask why, you simply state again that Order is universal. You have not once adequately proven your reasoning. And any flaws in your argument which I pointed out were completely ignored.

 

You have not refuted any of my arguments. Are you going to spew the same thing all day, or actually answer my points?

[The Prime Reaper 180]

Countless wars and slaughters... happened for an ordered reason... and yet you still say Order is inherently good, when so many bad things happen because of it? I did not think you really supported conflict, and that's where I targeted my rhetoric. But this comment shows that clearly you don't mind any level of suffering, as long as it is for Order. Even when Order is the source of the problem, you still cling to it...

 

What makes you so blindly believe in Order? No matter what reasoning I provide, your final point always goes back to the same thing. Your point always ends up being that Order is universal. When I ask why, you simply state again that Order is universal. You have not once adequately proven your reasoning. And any flaws in your argument which I pointed out were completely ignored.

 

You have not refuted any of my arguments. Are you going to spew the same thing all day, or actually answer my points?

 

Even if you do believed in my argument or not.

This debate just becomes a death trap, order is already universal.

The further we clining into the argument. We are just following a repeative pattern which kinda orderly following like a circle.

I once also believed that chaos and order are equal but after learning and observing the patterns of the universe.

I have seen seeing everything is perfectly ordered in place, no matter how much chaotic there is always order into it.

Chaos might be a rule but we don't yet know.

 

I think this argument has to end here! Stalemate has to end.

[BalanceBrony 259]

Even if you do believed in my argument or not.

This debate just becomes a death trap, order is already universal.

The further we clining into the argument. We are just following a repeative pattern which kinda orderly following like a circle.

I once also believed that chaos and order are equal but after learning and observing the patterns of the universe.

I have seen seeing everything is perfectly ordered in place, no matter how much chaotic there is always order into it.

Chaos might be a rule but we don't yet know.

 

I think this argument has to end here! Stalemate has to end.

Yes. I think we should just let each other believe what we want. It is the only way there will be peace and Harmony on this thread. Either one of us can be right. We don't know. So, until more evidence comes, we just let each other think what we want. It was nice debating with you.

 

So, I suppose I will see ya around /)

Edited October 28, 2013 by BalanceBrony

[The Prime Reaper 180]

Yes. I think we should just let each other believe what we want. It is the only way there will be peace and Harmony on this thread. Either one of us can be right. We don't know. So, until more evidence comes, we just let each other think what we want. It was nice debating with you.

 

So, I suppose I will see ya around /)

 

Nice to debate with ya.

It has been a great debate which has been amusing for a week now.

I hope to see this around soon.

 

Good day!

[Persona22 205]

I started a topic that might interest some of the readers of this topic.

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/77613-principia-discordia/

 

Anyone ever heard of a little book called the "Principia Discordia"?