technology Budget PC Build, your guy's opinion?

[Milk Wave 454]

in that case I do suggest you upgrade the graphics card in my opinion. The graphics card you picked are by no means bad, it's a great card for the money, it's just I would think it is best if you not only better benefit the experience you have but also future installments so you don't need to upgrade and spend more money as fast.

 

I also noticed you have a Steam acc, may I add?  

I'll probably save up for the 2GB version of the 7790 then, i've heard 2GB is the standard for GPU's these days.

 

The CPU is very weak. It doesn't even come close to a Pentium dual core. If you insist on going with AMD, you want at least the Athlon x4 750k. Slightly lower clocks but the extra module will help a lot. Outside of that, looks decent.

I've looked up many sites and it's actually comparable to a Pentium dual core. What many people don't really think about would be the fact that even if things say that, compute performance and single threaded performance is well at an i3+ level. It isn't a weak CPU, since i've seen other and older Athlons that are very good performers.

 

Athlon X4 though is what people love now, for the price it's just amazing.

 

 

Hey! I finally don't feel like an old man!

 

*ahem* I mean, someone turned me onto this idea for a cheaper CPU with good performance, it's a bit pricey compared to what you have, but the fact it's 8-core and can be over-clocked makes it look like a good choice for having some form of future proofing on a budget:

 

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FX-8120-8-Core-Edition-Processor/dp/B005UBNKZG

Sowwy to ask if you were talking to me, or if you were talking to the other person. If I was to get an 8-core FX processor it would only be the FX 8350, since it's just a baws.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Pssh, i'm playing like minecraft, team fortress 2, borderlands, fallout 3 and new Vegas, as well as Saints Row 3 and all. I may save up for like, battlefield 4 in the future but I don't plan to play it at all in ultra.

 

Worst case scenario I play my games in medium, but that's fine with me.

 

Issue, if you build a system so weak even games made this generation have to be turned fairly low to play them, the computer is going to become outdated and unable to play new games pretty quick. 

 

Here's a build someone helped me plan(and it could probably be cut down to $500 via cheaper case and HDD, or kept the same by using they $50 or so you knock off to buy a slightly better card):

 

 

 

Sowwy to ask if you were talking to me, or if you were talking to the other person. If I was to get an 8-core FX processor it would only be the FX 8350, since it's just a baws.

 

Yes, I was talking about the CPU issue everyone is going over. 

[Milk Wave 454]

Issue, if you build a system so weak even games made this generation have to be turned fairly low to play them, the computer is going to become outdated and unable to play new games pretty quick. 

 

Here's a build someone helped me plan(and it could probably be cut down to $500 via cheaper case and HDD, or kept the same by using they $50 or so you knock off to buy a slightly better card):

 

Yes, I was talking about the CPU issue everyone is going over. 

I looked over it, it's alright as well. There is just a few, few bits and pieces that i'll never put in a build:

 

Any motherboard not MSi or ASUS

Including MSi or ASUS, I will never go under 80 dollars for a motherboard

No Seagates

No 2TB's, the most is 1TB.

Cases that are plain. Sorry, but that corsair is just, eh... No.

 

But still, it's actually surprisingly a very, very good build. If I happen to come by a guy who wants to make a budget build like so, then i'll reccomend him these parts. But i'll change the seagate to a WD caviar black 1TB and add in an aftermarket CPU cooler. Stock coolers for the FX 8 cores aren't good.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I looked over it, it's alright as well. There is just a few, few bits and pieces that i'll never put in a build:

 

Any motherboard not MSi or ASUS

Including MSi or ASUS, I will never go under 80 dollars for a motherboard

No Seagates

No 2TB's, the most is 1TB.

Cases that are plain. Sorry, but that corsair is just, eh... No.

 

But still, it's actually surprisingly a very, very good build. If I happen to come by a guy who wants to make a budget build like so, then i'll reccomend him these parts. But i'll change the seagate to a WD caviar black 1TB and add in an aftermarket CPU cooler. Stock coolers for the FX 8 cores aren't good.

 

You don't need a a PSU bigger than that unless your using like a i7 and a GTX and overclocking them, Seagate is a fairly well respected brand, and what's the problem with having a bigger HDD? Also, if you're on a budget you can't really be picky about what it looks like.

 

I'm not trying to sound mean, but it just sounds like you're nit-picking all our ideas just for the heck of it at this point. 

Edited November 30, 2013 by Shoboni

[Milk Wave 454]

You don't need a a PSU bigger than that unless your using like a i7 and a GTX and overclocking them, Seagate is a fairly well respected brand, and what's the problem with having a bigger HDD?

 

I'm not trying to sound mean, but it just sounds like you're nit-picking all our ideas just for the heck of it at this point. 

Partially nitpicking, but i'm doing my best to be respectful about it. Just some brands i'm more for then others, teehe..~

 

But i'm not changing the whole build right then and there. Just minor parts to tinker with to change, like switching the PSU to 500 watts to upgrade to a 2GB version of the 7790.

 

Maybe going for the X4 750k, but I want to give this X2 a shot :3

 

Oh and also, the other thing. My friend said 2TB drives and up spin slower after cramming much data on them since they have to spin differently for all that data. I'm also using the HDD for my boot drive and I don't need 2TB for stuff, so the 500GB or 1TB one is alright. Saves some money for me and such.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Partially nitpicking, but i'm doing my best to be respectful about it. Just some brands i'm more for then others, teehe..~

 

But i'm not changing the whole build right then and there. Just minor parts to tinker with to change, like switching the PSU to 500 watts to upgrade to a 2GB version of the 7790.

 

Maybe going for the X4 750k, but I want to give this X2 a shot :3

 

Oh and also, the other thing. My friend said 2TB drives and up spin slower after cramming much data on them since they have to spin differently for all that data. I'm also using the HDD for my boot drive and I don't need 2TB for stuff, so the 500GB or 1TB one is alright. Saves some money for me and such.

 

Were're trying to tell you, you don't want a dual-core in a gaming rig. You need to get at least a quad.

 

And modern games can eat up large amounts of space very fast.

[A Blithering Div 247]

I've looked up many sites and it's actually comparable to a Pentium dual core. What many people don't really think about would be the fact that even if things say that, compute performance and single threaded performance is well at an i3+ level. It isn't a weak CPU, since i've seen other and older Athlons that are very good performers.

 

Athlon X4 though is what people love now, for the price it's just amazing.

 

 

These are the closest benchmarks I could find for the 370k: The A4-5300 http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page4.html

 

Notice the Deficit between it and the G2020. You're gonna want the extra module.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

These are the closest benchmarks I could find for the 370k: The A4-5300 http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page4.html

 

Notice the Deficit between it and the G2020. You're gonna want the extra module.

 

Yeah, if that thing is actually that much worse than my CPU, they're going to be hurting....

[Milk Wave 454]

Were're trying to tell you, you don't want a dual-core in a gaming rig. You need to get at least a quad.

 

And modern games can eat up large amounts of space very fast.

I'm not going to be getting very many modern games, maybe like 5 and that's all. Add that in with about 6 small games and you're only using about.. 50-70 GB's of space? Not much at all, and I rarely save any files on my computer.

 

And I know you are trying to tell me to get a quad core a lot, but i'm still debating if so or not. I will if I do get an extra 20 though, but it's like you want to force it upon thee or something now. I'm not trying for it to be that way, really.

 

 

These are the closest benchmarks I could find for the 370k: The A4-5300 http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page4.html

 

Notice the Deficit between it and the G2020. You're gonna want the extra module.

I don't do much of those anyways, and I can care less for them. Gaming and Internet, that's it, nothing else.

Also i'm more for AMD anyways, that and their new line of APU's are coming out and the Mobo I picked supports the new FM2+ And older FM2 stuff. Gives it a chance to pick new cores if I wanted.

Edited November 30, 2013 by Milk Wave

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I'm not going to be getting very many modern games, maybe like 5 and that's all. Add that in with about 6 small games and you're only using about.. 50-70 GB's of space? Not much at all, and I rarely save any files on my computer.

 

And I know you are trying to tell me to get a quad core a lot, but i'm still debating if so or not. I will if I do get an extra 20 though, but it's like you want to force it upon thee or something now. I'm not trying for it to be that way, really.

 

 

I don't do much of those anyways, and I can care less for them. Gaming and Internet, that's it, nothing else.

Also i'm more for AMD anyways, that and their new line of APU's are coming out and the Mobo I picked supports the new FM2+ And older FM2 stuff. Gives it a chance to pick new cores if I wanted.

 

 

No we're not, we're trying help you

 

and think about that statement, if it gets bad benchmarks running basic office tasks, how is going to do on something intensive like gaming?

[A Blithering Div 247]

I don't do much of those anyways, and I can care less for them. Gaming and Internet, that's it, nothing else.

 

Also i'm more for AMD anyways, that and their new line of APU's are coming out and the Mobo I picked supports the new FM2+ And older FM2 stuff. Gives it a chance to pick new cores if I wanted.

 

Yes but what I am telling you is that the extra module will give you significantly better performance in every single area. As in the Athlon x4 is the better choice by a mile especially for minecraft.

 

This boils down to the Piledriver architecture. See, when AMD was designing their new cores, they decided to share an FPU between 2 integer units. This FPU can do 2 128 bit floats at a time but it only has one FPU scheduler, so rather than behave like a dual core in the case of the 370k, it behaves more like a single core with some hardware hyperthreading.

Edited November 30, 2013 by A Blithering Div

[Milk Wave 454]

No we're not, we're trying help you

 

and think about that statement, if it gets bad benchmarks running basic office tasks, how is going to do on something intensive like gaming?

Well you're saying it like you want to force me to get it. And also, if my friend's 8 year old athlon x2 can run League with its gtx 530 at 60+FPS constantly, then do you think it would be good enough? Not to mention it can pretty much run Fallout and Borderlands, as well as Saints Row 3 quite well too.

 

The most intensive game I have is Saints row 3, BUT!

 

I've just looked up how CPU bottlenecking works, and I think i'm now leaning to save up 20 bucks to get it. That being said i'll save an extra 20-40 later on in life to switch the cooler for an aftermarket one since it's quite a hot quad core.

 

 

Yes but what I am telling you is that the extra module will give you significantly better performance in every single area. As in the Athlon x4 is the better choice by a mile especially for minecraft.

 

This boils down to the Piledriver architecture. See, when AMD was designing their new cores, they decided to share an FPU between 2 integer units. This FPU can do 2 128 bit floats at a time but it only has one FPU scheduler, so rather than behave like a dual core in the case of the 370k, it behaves more like a single core with some hardware hyperthreading.

I pretty much know now about it, and Minecraft would run a lot better i'm sure. 4 cores instead of 2 can make a lot of a difference in some stuffs, but more or less I don't need it to run 200 frames when a dual core can do 70-100. That's suitable enough.

 

I've also read about the 'have one FPU thing' so I guess that's what's up about it.

[A Blithering Div 247]

I pretty much know now about it, and Minecraft would run a lot better i'm sure. 4 cores instead of 2 can make a lot of a difference in some stuffs, but more or less I don't need it to run 200 frames when a dual core can do 70-100. That's suitable enough.

 

 

I've also read about the 'have one FPU thing' so I guess that's what's up about it.

Thing is, you won't hit 70-100 in minecraft unless the draw distance is as low as you can get it. I had a Phenom II x4 @ 3.6GHz that managed ~100 fps and that CPU is about on par with an FX 4300. Granted the draw distance was "far" but my point still stands. And having the extra FPU available will make a difference in everything.

Edited November 30, 2013 by A Blithering Div

[Milk Wave 454]

Thing is, you won't hit 70-100 in minecraft unless the draw distance is as low as you can get it. I had a Phenom II x4 @ 3.6GHz that managed ~100 fps and that CPU is about on par with an FX 4300. And having the extra FPU available will make a difference in everything.

Well, yes you do have a major point there actually. Actually I hope the new cores coming out from AMD has an added in FPU and all.

 

Anyways I won't be switching to Intel anytime soon. You can call me an AMD fanboy, but that's me thinking about budget stuff.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Well you're saying it like you want to force me to get it. And also, if my friend's 8 year old athlon x2 can run League with its gtx 530 at 60+FPS constantly, then do you think it would be good enough? Not to mention it can pretty much run Fallout and Borderlands, as well as Saints Row 3 quite well too.

 

The most intensive game I have is Saints row 3, BUT!

 

I've just looked up how CPU bottlenecking works, and I think i'm now leaning to save up 20 bucks to get it. That being said i'll save an extra 20-40 later on in life to switch the cooler for an aftermarket one since it's quite a hot quad core.

 

LoL has really low system requirements on par with some PS2 generation games, it's not a good benchmark at all to be using.

 

There's also no reason to use things "just because they work" when you can build a better system with modern parts for the same budget. 

[Milk Wave 454]

@@Shoboni, 

 

I did add in the other few games, didn't I?

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

@@Shoboni, 

 

I did add in the other few games, didn't I?

 

Yes, and your friend also has a higher-end card. It could be taking up some of the slack.

[Milk Wave 454]

Yes, and your friend also has a higher-end card. It could be taking up some of the slack.

I do understand but I have this HD 7790 now, which performs by far better then that in the modern standards.

[PoniesPlease 365]

If it's a gaming PC the three key components are Graphics Card, Processor and RAM. The rest of the rig should support these three components.

 

Personally I have:

 

Intel i7 4770k

AMD Radeon HD7970 3GB

8GB RAM

 

Build for what you're going to do on it. Gaming requires a good GPU, Editing requires a good Processor etc.

[A Blithering Div 247]

Well, yes you do have a major point there actually. Actually I hope the new cores coming out from AMD has an added in FPU and all.

 

Anyways I won't be switching to Intel anytime soon. You can call me an AMD fanboy, but that's me thinking about budget stuff.

 

To address point A: They didn't although they probably reduced in core latencies substantially as GloFo's 28nm process isn't quite up to snuff to maintain ~4GHz clockspeeds. It's not even the FPU so much as it is the scheduler. Adding another one would greatly improve IPC. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7507/KaveriConfig.jpg

 

Point B: They only time I tell people to go intel is when they're either A. not interested in overclocking a budget rig or B. have $200 or more to spend on the CPU.

[Milk Wave 454]

To address point A: They didn't although they probably reduced in core latencies substantially as GloFo's 28nm process isn't quite up to snuff to maintain ~4GHz clockspeeds. It's not even the FPU so much as it is the scheduler. Adding another one would greatly improve IPC. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7507/KaveriConfig.jpg

 

Point B: They only time I tell people to go intel is when they're either A. not interested in overclocking a budget rig or B. have $200 or more to spend on the CPU.

Huh, okay :3

 

Also I get what you mean by the $200 thing. The FX-8350 is about 200 bucks and it's like the best AMD core by a bit. Also i'm not interested in overclocking it at all, since that's just not my thing.

 

@@PoniesPlease,

 

Not bad for the Processor/GPU/RAM, and yes I do know what you mean. I built this thing for gaming, not editing or anything which is why I don't need the Intel Pentium in any cases. Now i'm probably going to be switching to the X4 750k for the quad core performance games can utilize, so that'll be good.

Edited November 30, 2013 by Milk Wave

[A Blithering Div 247]

Huh, okay :3

 

Also I get what you mean by the $200 thing. The FX-8350 is about 200 bucks and it's like the best AMD core by a bit. Also i'm not interested in overclocking it at all, since that's just not my thing.

 

@@PoniesPlease,

 

Not bad for the Processor/GPU/RAM, and yes I do know what you mean. I built this thing for gaming, not editing or anything which is why I don't need the Intel Pentium in any cases. Now i'm probably going to be switching to the X4 750k for the quad core performance games can utilize, so that'll be good.

 

Well actually at the $200 price point, Intel is superior. There is simply no way I can tell someone with a straight face to buy a CPU on an aging obsolete socket that runs hot. At your price point, there isn't much of a compelling product from Intel. The Pentium is better than the 370k but at that point you're at $70 and the 750k is around the same price and gives you better performance.

Edited November 30, 2013 by A Blithering Div

[Milk Wave 454]

@@A Blithering Div,

 

Yep, AMD pretty much rules the mid range area.

 

And I looked it up, and nodded to say it was so much worth getting. It's about a 60% increase in performance upgrading for 2 more cores, and if you want to upgrade to the X4 760K Richland, Black Edition (( which basically is like, a few bits newer with a slightly higher clock speed )) it gives you an added 13% increase in performance.

 

That being said, you can just overclock the 750K to 3.8Ghz and possibly get the same performance :3

Edited November 30, 2013 by Milk Wave

[A Blithering Div 247]

@@A Blithering Div,

 

Yep, AMD pretty much rules the mid range area.

 

And I looked it up, and nodded to say it was so much worth getting. It's about a 60% increase in performance upgrading for 2 more cores, and if you want to upgrade to the X4 760K Richland, Black Edition (( which basically is like, a few bits newer with a slightly higher clock speed )) it gives you an added 13% increase in performance.

 

That being said, you can just overclock the 750K to 3.8Ghz and possibly get the same performance :3

 

Yeah, Richland is nothing more than a tick for Trinity. It really only improved the CPU turbo to make the mobile parts better. Outside of that, you're paying a premium for a non existent advantage.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

@@A Blithering Div,

 

Yep, AMD pretty much rules the mid range area.

 

And I looked it up, and nodded to say it was so much worth getting. It's about a 60% increase in performance upgrading for 2 more cores, and if you want to upgrade to the X4 760K Richland, Black Edition (( which basically is like, a few bits newer with a slightly higher clock speed )) it gives you an added 13% increase in performance.

 

That being said, you can just overclock the 750K to 3.8Ghz and possibly get the same performance :3

 

It's better to have the speed at base performance than over-clocking. Unless you have a beast of a cooling system it's going to run hot and have a much sorter lifespan than a chip that has the same clock-speed straight out of the box.