Why I'm turning my back on FiM!

[Zhortac 1,474]

Yay go Transformers! I loved the movie, infact, i might watch it again! 

 

It is a good movie, despite the fact it was a toy transition lol. If I remember right, I do believe Dinobot from Beast Wars was the first Transformers character to die on TV.

 

I was gonna use Pokemon as an example of a series not needing death, since it hasn't even had anything close to death since day 1 (Unless you really want to count Lavender Town and ghost pokemon).

[Fhaolan 4,483]

Rainbow dash as a fasionista.... BARF

Technically that was G3, not G1.

 

Nothing wrong with liking previous generations. G1 was very interesting for it's time, especially with the first two specials and the movie. Once they hit the 10-episode miniseries on Fluttervalley, it did seem to loose a bit of it's edge. The animation felt simplified, and there were really only two memorable villains in the My Little Pony 'n Friends series proper. Basically Tirek and Caterina from the first two specials, the witches from the movie, and then Grognar and Squirk from the first few episodes past the Fluttervalley mini-series were the only villains really salvageable. The rest were rather generic and forgettable for me.

[Winger7632 124]

Rainbow dash as a fasionista.... BARF

Thats G3 but your not wrong with it being disgusting lol. 

[RainbowDashington 89]

Thats G3 but your not wrong with it being disgusting lol.

 

I disagree. It's hilarious more than disgusting. Also, that post... I agree with Trixie on this guy's ridiculous hate on FiM.

[Scootaloodle 1,623]

I prefer G4, but if you prefer G1 then that’s cool: I don’t mind MLP G1 myself, and to be quite honest about it I like seeing someone here who likes the older generations of MLP.

 

But why not forget the differences and just enjoy both generations? And appreciate what each of the creators, writers and so on and so forth brought to both shows?

 

Sure villans may have been more mental in G1 and died, but so what? G1 didn’t have sonic rainbooms and Pinkie Pie.

 

And yes flash animation can be done by anyone, and I would agree cel animation looks better most of the time, but for flash I think FIM is the best I’ve seen and I actually wouldn’t have it any other way.

[Sir.Flutter Hooves 2,953]

 

Sir, I disagree with you.

 

First off Generation 1 is just horrible. No plot, no stories, and it has a freaking jello and a senile old witch as their antagonist. FIM has a dark pony king who took over and enslaved entire nations, a queen that sucks the life out of her victims, and the king of chaos.

 

Second the G1 characters had no character at all. Look:

 

Look at this...look at it. It's horrible, the characters are two dimensional at best.

 

Now look at G4:

 

This is some intense sheet rite here. A freaking cheese queen is about to kill this pony...that jello blob did what? Make some ponies stiicky?

 

Look, if you want to like show with less character design, horrid animation, and just horrible, horrible acting and voice skill go ahead my friend.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Sir.Flutter Hooves

[Misterian 118]

Well, if you like G1, that's your business.

 

I personally have only seen that Tirak episode on Youtube, and while I will say it had its moments, it didn't catch my interest as much as Friendship is Magic did because I didn't find anything that made me want to see more of it. The story sometimes had moments that didn't really make sense to me and some of the things that you'd think would for interesting plot points and backstory I thought were sort of glanced over at best.

 

I liked FIM because, yeah, it does take itself more seriously than other incarnations, but that's one of the reasons it became such of success and drew the audience it did.

 

It took the franchise, which had a relatively simple concept, expanded on it to the point where it formed it's own unique identity, causing FIM to be an example of how, in the hands of a great writer, you can make an extraordinary story out of anything.

 

MLP:FIM may not be simpler like G1, but it wasn't supposed to be, it became its own thing through memorable characters, great writing, a unique and interesting world, and an endearing overall theme about friendship, and became successful because of it.

 

And it's because of this that this show as united people in ways that no other fanbase ever has, it united people through common interests in friendship, harmony, and compassion that many people in today's relatively jaded world would find bizarre at least and alien at most.

 

That's why the dev team in this show seem so interested in pleasing their Periphery Demographic at time, they know what they've created is more than just a show, it's a tool that changing, and will likely continue to change, the way people accept themselves and each other for the better.

 

If you want further details, I suggest watching the Bronies documentary or even this video which I'll present a link to bellow;

 

[Blue Moon 6,341]

Well, you're more than welcome to turn your back on FIM; that's your opinion, but I do disagree with you on a few things. First off, Flash animation does take effort to do. Well, do it good, at least. It's not something anyone can do off the bat.

 

Also, G4's villains may not be as menacing as they G1's, but I think they make up for it in personality. Also, King Sombra really was killed, so I don't know what you mean when you say that's something G4 would never do.

 

I do agree with you on that the creators have been making the show a bit more brony oriented.

 

G1 is pretty good though; I like its more adventure-y plots. But in the end; I just like G4 more.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Flipturn

[Its Rainbow Dash 151]

RockyMoo....that....reply.

 

~Slow Claps.~

 

Anyhoo this argument is just kinda pointless you like one gen which you think is blah blah over the other but in the end it's still the same series type.

 

I enjoy classic loony toons over the newest gen they show but it's still Loon-Toons., it's like saying I like red apples over green apples but at the end of the day it's still an apple they just have different tastes.

 

Nuh-nuh-nuh.

[Winger7632 124]

Well, you're more than welcome to turn your back on FIM; that's your opinion, but I do disagree with you on a few things. First off, Flash animation does take effort to do. Well, do it good, at least. It's not something anyone can do off the bat.

 

Also, G4's villains may not be as menacing as they G1's, but I think they make up for it in personality. Also, King Sombra really was killed, so I don't know what you mean when you say that's something G4 would never do.

 

I do agree with you on that the creators have been making the show a bit more brony oriented.

 

G1 is pretty good though; I like its more adventure-y plots. But in the end; I just like G4 more.

 

 

Flash is not automatically better. Either of them can be great or terrible. There are plenty of hand drawn movies/shows/games that look amazing (e.g. many of the older Disney movies, The Triplets of Belleville, etc.) and there are many that look terrible. Same goes for Flash. My Little Pony may have very good Flash animation, but not all shows share that.

 

My point was Flash is used over hand drawn for a reason, it is better than hand drawn when used correctly. I wasn't talking about the people that don't know what they are doing. What you said applied both to hand drawn and Flash, the point is flash is better to use and looks a lot better. I personally hate the way non Pixar Disney movies look. As a child i actually hated Disney movies but loved Pixar to no end. May be a difference of opinion on that note but the point i was making is Flash is better to use than hand drawn in todays world and it does show. 

[Guest90210 3,568]

Guys why are you still falling for this bait?

 

[Misty Shadow 7,901]

 

Dude, seriously. It's your right to turn your back in FIM, whatever that means. You don't need to justify it with an opinion we don't agree with. It doesn't matter.

[Its Rainbow Dash 151]

I just want to post this and I'm outs.

 

~Dashes Off.~

 

 

 

 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Its_Rainbow_Dash

[Abstract 832]

I haven't seen nearly enough of G1 to have an opinion about the characters or plot, but I will say this: in present day with computer animation easier and better than ever, hand drawn animation can be justified as a positive attribute for a show. But in the 80's, you really didn't have a whole lot of other options for animation other than hand-drawn, so you can't give them points for using it. Furthermore, it's hand drawn animation done cheaply, and badly just like every other toy commercial show.

 

You may very well have points on other aspects of the show, but strike that one from your list.

[TrunksXV 33]

Just to contribute to this topic about differences in the Hasbro line. Its about 30 years since Transformers, My Little Pony, Ghostbuters, Voltron, Robotech, Smurfs, TMNT and countless other cartoon franchises were brought to the marketplace. We haven't seen the kind of culture impact those franchises have had in a long time, other than for the dvds and nostalgic purposes and other platforms such as the web. 

 

Each of those shows released during their time were meant to be watched mainly by kids, its wasn't meant to be watched by anyone in any higher demograph. Problem is since they made us all fans in the 1980s fast forward to the 2010s, we are talking 30 years differences in technology, tastes, artwork, animation and cultural outlook. Not to mention that the economy still sucks.

 

What made MLP G1 successful at the time, was not its indept storytelling or animation it was mainly the product of selling toys. It still to a large degree is. It wasn't until the 1970s when large cultural conventions started popping up, first fielded by Star Trek that broadcasters decided to look at catering towards demographics. Taken as a whole MLP has had its ups and downs over the first 25 years of the line's existence. But it didn't reach the culture trends that Transformers, Ghostbusters, Voltron, Robotech set during their original runs on television. MLP did have the same formula and animation studios working at the time. 

 

In retrospect MLP G1 hasn't aged well over the decades, but to its credit it did help establish MLP as widely a successful brand for a particular demograph. What MLP: FiM has done is something that even Lauren Fraust didn't expect. It became a huge pop culture phenomenon.  I think Lauren feels honored to have brought inspiration to not only kids but millions of people around the world. The show has grown on me, and I have become very interested in how other people have used their own artistic and creative works such as fan fiction, fan art, videos, comics and other mediums to truely grow into the wonderful and at times controversial fan base.

 

MLP G1 was great for the time that it was initially broadcasted. The models were good for their time. Much like the original Star Trek that didn't age well graphically, but its strong storytelling and characters really helped the show succeed after it was initially cancelled. Look at what happened with Star Trek. The original series was classic, and was recently remastered with both 1960s and 21st Century special effects.

 

For MLP, I'd say most fans agree that G 3.5 was the worst incarnation of the show, before G4 made the brand a cultural success.

 

G1, G2 and G3, were good in their own ways for what they offered, while G4 has commanded a lot more attention thanks to smart art direction, writing, voice actors and music. That's very hard to come by. And so far they haven't dropped the ball yet, despite what fans felt about the end of Season 3 when Twilight became an Alicorn. Heck they'll make all the Mane 6 Alicorns for a great story arch with Queen Chrysalis. Now that would be something to watch.  

[Shanks 10,816]

Take my 9yr old niece as an example. She was just beginning to get into the show but when she suddenly found out about us bronies she suddenly lost interest.

I respect your opinion that G1 is better than G4 even though I disagree with it but alot of young children tend to be extremely fickle and I would argue that if someone loses interest in something because of its audience than they never really liked it to begin with. I keep hearing this ridiculous argument from some people and I am not saying you are making it that "bronies ruin the show" simply because some of them are a bit nuts or do something they disagree with. Bronies do have an influence on G4 there is no doubt about it but I don't think it is too much of one at all, there are some shout outs and references but they are usually not to the point where they are just there to be there if you know what I mean.

[Flutter's lover <3 8,205]

 

 

 

In all seriousness...I"m pretty sure this is a troll. 

[Teller 360]

 

Sorry, I just wanted to join the bandwagon of posting semi-relevant image macros.

[Thrashy 2,800]

Incoming lousy reason for disliking a cartoon in 3, 2, 1...

 

•G1 was handrawn. Badly yes, but that took effort [implying that Flash animation takes no effort]. Anybody can use Flash nowadays [self-explanatory].

 

These absolutely false statements show how very little you seem to know about animation in general, not to mention your very skewed perspective as to what constitutes "effort". Please spend a few years trying to animate something that looks nearly as good as FiM in Flash, then maybe I'll lend that statement some hint of credence.

 

Also, the preposition you were looking for is on. One does not turn his or her back in something. Just thought you ought to know.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Thrashy

[The Peculiar Derp 193]

Is it just me or do the G1 ponies look like hippopotamuses that were bred with weird dogs..... My Little Hippo, anypony? 

Edited February 13, 2014 by HerpDerp88

[Acchan 232]

After watching several episodes from G1 I've come to the realisation that G1 is better than FIM. Let me explain:

 

•G1 was handrawn. Badly yes, but that took effort. Anybody can use Flash nowadays.

 

•G1 had better villians. Terak for example. He was a proper badass.Plus he was actually killed. Something that would never happen in FIM

 

.FIM in my opinion takes itself too seriously. The makers of the G1 show knew that the core audience would be girls so didn't try too hard

 

.The Brony community itself. With the rise of Bronydom the FIM creators have seemed anxious to please our every whim.If they are not careful Hasbro will begin to turn their core audience away.

 

These are just my opinions tell me if you agree...or not!

Meh. I didn't get into the earlier gens so FiM is fine with me.

[Remi 1,309]

Well quite honestly the show went to shit, animators are lazy, leave black spots and do the stupidest animation errors possible, writing is sub-par, depth and plot are lacking and bland, and the overratedness of the show is simply atrocious.

[Starbound 150]

Whoa, whoa. First of all, you CANNOT get better then Discord. Second, G1 Ponies are downright hideous! When I see one, I say "Go die in a hole!"

[Remi 1,309]

Whoa, whoa. First of all, you CANNOT get better then Discord. Second, G1 Ponies are downright hideous! When I see one, I say "Go die in a hole!"

"Third, whenever I see an opinion different than mine I say "What the hell? this is wrong!""

Edited February 13, 2014 by Loser.

[Painted Lattice 131]

Probably the Flash vs Hand-drawn comment bugged me the most. That has to do with me being an art student... and just plain loving art.

 

But, y'know, that's fine. You're allowed your own opinion even if it's ignorant and absolutely wrong.