Is Trixie the great granddaughter of Starswirl the Bearded?

[Scootalove 10,689]

It's fun to have theories and headcanons to let your imagination run wild, but for Trixie to be related to Starswirl the Bearded there has to be a connection between the two of them in the family tree. Sounds like a fun theory, Trixie is just a traveling performer who's sole purpose is to entertain while Starswirl was very focused in his studies.

[Sunny Fox 5,951]

 

Yeah, but we've never seen any other magicians dress this way.    Also, again, it would explain why Trixie wants to be such a great magician when she isn't very good at magic at all.  

 

Okay, I think it makes sense but I can't rhyme.  

 

Again, this is very flimsy and circumstantial evidence. Everything you point to can be explained much more simply if Trixie was inspired by Starswirl. It wouldn't require a 1000 year old family tree, it would only require that she heard about him once. Occam's Razor.

 

Just because your theory can't be conclusively disproven does not make it proven, or even likely. It's plausible, but for a family connection, you need much more evidence from the show than "similar styles of dress" and "wanting to be a powerful magician".

Edited March 12, 2014 by SolarFox

[TwilightDreamer 69]

Who knows, there aren't any clues that give away this theory.

[Grumpy Enchantress 586]

 

 

 

 

Again, this is very flimsy and circumstantial evidence. Everything you point to can be explained much more simply if Trixie was inspired by Starswirl. It wouldn't require a 1000 year old family tree, it would only require that she heard about him once. Occam's Razor.

 

Just because your theory can't be conclusively disproven does not make it proven, or even likely. It's plausible, but for a family connection, you need much more evidence from the show than "similar styles of dress" and "wanting to be a powerful magician".

I already said it's just a headcanon.

[DND 2,355]

Interesting head-canon, but I find the details to vague to wholly accept it in my terms. Perhaps more details on this case could persuade me? Otherwise, I don't have nearly enough of an opinion to form anything.

[ggg-2 3,553]

i think if anypony is descended from starswirl, it'd be twi rather than trixe

[Skye 463]

I'm not sure if this is a thing, but I'd be interested if it were so. Trixie would have more to brag about, woohoo. \ o /

[SBaby 660]

She's not related to Starswirl.  I can tell you that with almost 100 percent certainty.

Edited March 18, 2014 by SBaby

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

The thing is, even headcanon needs to have some basis from the show.

 

No it doesn't. It can exist until it's proven false. Heck it can even exist afterwards.

And I quite like the idea that Trixie is related to Starswirl. Not sure if I'll adopt it into my headcanon yet, but there's nothing to suggest it ISN'T true.

 

EDIT: The fact that they are not on the same magic level or have the same personality doesn't mean anything.

Life experiences and the genetics of other family members can make relatives incredibly different from one another.

Edited March 19, 2014 by ShadOBabe

[Hive King 2,001]

Many already know this, I hate Trixie with a firey passion. For this reason alone, my reaction to Trixie even being in the same sentence as a guy who has museums dedicated to him is

NO!

 

Trixie is an asshat and the the worse antagonist in the series, bar none! I'd rather see Gilda turn out to be a draconequus than add more wood to the Trixie fanboy fire

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

 

 

Trixie is an asshat and the the worse antagonist in the series

 

So when you say "worst", do you mean worst as in "least interesting as a character" or worse as in "has the most deplorable personality"?

Because I could understand the first to a degree, but there are other MLP antagonists that are far worse in the moral sense. Trixie is full of herself, but I think she's probably got some emotional baggage that lends to that.

 

Suri is probably the worst antagonist in my opinion. In a realistic sense anyway.

Other antagonists are the apocalypse or world domination types, but people like Suri actually exist.

 

I've always kind of enjoyed characters that are ridiculously arrogant, as long as they can back it up or are funny.

Trixie can't really back it up, but she is funny. Her attitude reeks of someone that desperately wants attention and admiration, and so that makes her kind of pathetic and interesting to me. She did lie, but she also tried to confront the Ursa Minor, despite having no reason to believe she could actually do anything.

 

So either 1) she was brave enough to actually try, or 2) she was desperate enough to try and preserve her reputation.

Either one is interesting to me.

[Grumpy Enchantress 586]

She's not related to Starswirl. I can tell you that with almost 100 percent certainty.

Prove it.

 

Many already know this, I hate Trixie with a firey passion. For this reason alone, my reaction to Trixie even being in the same sentence as a guy who has museums dedicated to him is

NO!

 

Trixie is an asshat and the the worse antagonist in the series, bar none! I'd rather see Gilda turn out to be a draconequus than add more wood to the Trixie fanboy fire

Seriously? Trixie did nothing wrong and is a great character.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Being over 1000 years removed from her own time, a lot of ponies could be related to Starswirl. With that much time between them, it simply wouldn't matter, as Trixie is a loser that can't amount to anything without some super powerful amulet. Even if true, it's a waste of a legacy.

[Grumpy Enchantress 586]

Being over 1000 years removed from her own time, a lot of ponies could be related to Starswirl. With that much time between them, it simply wouldn't matter, as Trixie is a loser that can't amount to anything without some super powerful amulet. Even if true, it's a waste of a legacy.

Aww, why do you have to be so cruel to The Great and Powerful a Trixie? She's the Greatest and most Powerful pony in all of Equestria.

 

I prefer the theory that Twilight is somehow related to him.

I don't because that implies talents are genetically given and not something specifically for you. That'd be really boring.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Grumpy Enchantress

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Trixie is a loser that can't amount to anything

 

That's a horrible way of thinking.

Anyone can do awesome things. Some just need some help and the drive to better themselves. Some people DON'T acquire that drive, but they COULD.

Trixie could do some awesome things. She just needs to start honestly loving herself (not the "perfect" self she seems obsessed with being), stop lying to make herself look better to others, and learn to not be jealous. She doesn't need to be the best at magic. She doesn't need to be the BEST at anything, because no one is ever the "best".

EDIT: Pffffft, I just saw this comic cover for the first time...

 

 

 

 

If she's not related, then she's definitely a fan. XDDD

Edited March 19, 2014 by ShadOBabe

[Radiance64 7,053]

It might be a fun shock reveal sometime if they ever think of it, but for now I think it's safe to say that she's not. I mean, just because someone plays a pipe it doesn't mean they're a descendent of the pied piper.

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

I think it would be a bit of a stretch. I'd rather see Twilight his descendant.

[takai 1,060]

Honestly, that would be an amazing twist. I'd totally be cool with it if it indeed was true too.

[SBaby 660]

Prove it.

 

 

There's nothing to prove.  It's actually pretty obvious.  Knowing Trixie's character, if she was related to him, she wouldn't shut up about it.  She would constantly rub it in Twilight's face and boast about it to everyone.  Therefore, that must mean, she isn't related to Starswirl.

Edited March 19, 2014 by SBaby

[Grumpy Enchantress 586]

There's nothing to prove. It's actually pretty obvious. Knowing Trixie's character, if she was related to him, she wouldn't shut up about it. She would constantly rub it in Twilight's face and boast about it to everyone. Therefore, that must mean, she isn't related to Starswirl.

She probably wants to be even more famous than he was, though.

[RainbowDashiscool 309]

We'll I'm not sure but yeah you're right they look related maybe Trixe was dressed too look like and have a different name of starswril the bearded or starswirl could be Trixe's grandmother.Who knows.Maybe mlpfim director's will make a episode of starswril with trixe as family.All i can say if there will be a mlpfim show showing them as family that you have too wait if there gonna maybe make that episode.

[Sunny Fox 5,951]

No it doesn't. It can exist until it's proven false. Heck it can even exist afterwards.

And I quite like the idea that Trixie is related to Starswirl. Not sure if I'll adopt it into my headcanon yet, but there's nothing to suggest it ISN'T true.

 

EDIT: The fact that they are not on the same magic level or have the same personality doesn't mean anything.

Life experiences and the genetics of other family members can make relatives incredibly different from one another.

On re-checking the definition of headcanon, you're right. It doesn't need in-show evidence. One can make up literally anything and claim it headcanon. Therefore, I retract the statement of mine that you quoted. That said, if you're going to convince anyone else to adopt it as their own headcanon, you need more than just circumstantial evidence that can be much more simply explained by another theory. Of course, that other theory would just be headcanon in its own right. Let me say then, that I definitely don't intend on adopting it as my headcanon, simply because I don't find the evidence convincing in the slightest. But hey, if GE wants to go on believing that, more power to him or her.

 

And headcanon in the interests of telling an interesting story in fanfiction, that's pretty much okay by me.

 

@Many posters in this thread: Whether you like Trixie or not should have no bearing on whether you accept the premise GE offers or not, either positively or negatively. Heck, I dislike Trixie the most out of all the ponies, but that isn't what makes me skeptical of the idea.

 

Yeah, but we've never seen any other magicians dress this way.   Also, again, it would explain why Trixie wants to be such a great magician when she isn't very good at magic at all. 

 

Okay, I think it makes sense but I can't rhyme. 

I have to say the premise DOES make sense. I was half-joking when I said it didn't. I just don't find it enough evidence to make me accept the premise, when there is a much more economical theory to account for what you pointed out. Firstly, if Trixie were related to Starswirl, and knew about it, I find it difficult to understand why she wouldn't use that fact to draw bigger crowds. The Great and Powerful Trixie, Descendant of the Great Starswirl the Bearded, would pull in more ponies, make her more money and make her more famous. But if she doesn't know about it, then she doesn't have a reason to persist even though she lacks the skills. (She doesn't, imo.) So that leaves just the robe and wizard hat part of the equation, and that's even shakier evidence of any family connection. We've never seen any other "magicians" at all, so that doesn't rate very well. Twilight isn't a magician, she's a student of Princess Celestia and a magical scholar, if anything.

 

This is why your idea is not convincing to me, but go ahead if you want to keep thinking this.

Edited March 19, 2014 by SolarFox

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Grumpy Enchantress,@@ShadOBabe,

I mean worst as in she's not interesting. She's a sniveling coward who is not dangerous at all. At least Suri and Diamond Tiara have shown some damage(Suri being clever and DT being a sadist). Trixie needed to juice herself up and even then, it wasn't really her being evil.

 

I see her as Dr. Wiley....only she's not dangerous at all. 

 

Iron Will is an example of how to do her character right. He was funny, had a sense of honor, and was more complex than Trixie being a walking ego

That's a horrible way of thinking.

Anyone can do awesome things. Some just need some help and the drive to better themselves. Some people DON'T acquire that drive, but they COULD.

Trixie could do some awesome things. She just needs to start honestly loving herself (not the "perfect" self she seems obsessed with being), stop lying to make herself look better to others, and learn to not be jealous. She doesn't need to be the best at magic. She doesn't need to be the BEST at anything, because no one is ever the "best".

EDIT: Pffffft, I just saw this comic cover for the first time...

 

 

 

 

If she's not related, then she's definitely a fan. XDDD

That's the problem. For her to a amount to anything requires her making a 180 turn in character. As of now, she's just an ignorant, arrogant tool about as much magical power as Rarity

[Grumpy Enchantress 586]

@@Grumpy Enchantress,@@ShadOBabe,

I mean worst as in she's not interesting. She's a sniveling coward who is not dangerous at all. At least Suri and Diamond Tiara have shown some damage(Suri being clever and DT being a sadist). Trixie needed to juice herself up and even then, it wasn't really her being evil.

She wasn't supposed to be evil? Why does every antagonist need to be evil? It's more interesting if they have an actual personality.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Grumpy Enchantress,

Her personality is just

"EGO! I AM AWESOME!"

Iron Will was funny, he had a sense of honor, he had an actual character. Trixie's character was just...arrogance