I wish Princess Celestia was real and she helped fix this world's problems

[Adachi 772]

With her easygoing nature, intelligence, and wisdom, I think she would be able to get most people to listen, and she could provide inventions that could help resolve many of this world's problems. Maybe even set up trade if she can figure out how to handle interdimensional trade. Even the hardest of hearts would probably melt when they get to spend some time with her. She would probably win a peace prize, and we would have a Utopia.

 

Oh well, I can dream, right? xD

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

Oh how wonderful it would be if that did happen..If she could melt the corruption of some governments away that would be fabulous. 

 

Yes you can dream   Everypony can dream

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

The problem is that some people don't want to listen, no matter how reasonable or well-intentioned the other side may be.

But I'm right there with you... Let's dream.

[Adachi 772]

Oh how wonderful it would be if that did happen..If she could melt the corruption of some governments away that would be fabulous. 

 

Yes you can dream   Everypony can dream

Yeah, nobody would want to fight anymore. She would fill everyone's hearts with hope. Most people who are corrupt are only corrupt because they lost hope/love of this world. They feel that only money can bring them happiness. She would likely find some way to end poverty or something, and I'm not saying there would be no more crime, but there would be a whole lot less.

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

The problem is that some people don't want to listen, no matter how reasonable or well-intentioned the other side may be.

But I'm right there with you... Let's dream.

Yeah was thinking the same thing.. I'm sure there would be hostilities and what not..But let's put that aside and dream of this.

[Eloquence 2,076]

While we're thinking hypothetically, can we bring the rest of the princesses too? And maybe the elements of harmony? The world is a big place, and I think Celestia might want some help 

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

While we're thinking hypothetically, can we bring the rest of the princesses too? And maybe the elements of harmony? The world is a big place, and I think Celestia might want some help 

If the elements of harmony and other princesses were in play that would be interesting.

 

If Luna came to rule a country here I would have to move there 

 

More than likely there would be harmony throughout everywhere. All we need is Zecora to cure all ailments

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

On the other hand, Celestia is very old and experienced. She seems to keep thing under control in Canterlot. Maybe she knows just the right thing to say and make stuff work. I don't think anyone ever had to deal with a 1000 years old intelligence.

And I agree with ScarletRose. She might want some help. 

[Adorkable 2,737]

I think it would just be better to live in Equestria as ponies. ^^"

 

But hey, I agree with you man. (\

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

I think it would just be better to live in Equestria as ponies. ^^"

 

But hey, I agree with you man. (\

If Celestia made that possible I would agree and move there

[Ribbonfree 2,383]

If offered a peaceful and harmonious life I think the majority of the world would take up on that offer if it was presented in a benevolent way. And it's Celestia, so it will be. An event like Princess Celestia appearing on Earth would be akin to the third coming of Christ or something. Talking horse descends from sky and declares she will bring peace and joy to Earth.

 

Then again I like Equestria too.

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

If offered a peaceful and harmonious life I think the majority of the world would take up on that offer if it was presented in a benevolent way. And it's Celestia, so it will be. An event like Princess Celestia appearing on Earth would be akin to the third coming of Christ or something. Talking horse descends from sky and declares she will bring peace and joy to Earth.

 

Then again I like Equestria too.

Someone needs to turn this into a fic.

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

Someone needs to turn this into a fic.

wouldn't be surprised if someone is already on that.. would read that

[Adachi 772]

Yeah, I agree it would be good if she got help. Although maybe, it might be better if she came alone (unless someone tried to cage her in a lab or something, then there would be other ponies to stop them).

 

The reason I say it might be better is because if there's a lot of talking ponies who suddenly appear, people are more likely to freak out, and some people might try to drive them out or attack them. But if people could get over the initial shock, I think having more to talk to would be best.

 

Of course, Pinkie Pie could make a killer party after the peace summit xD

[SFyr 1,982]

I'm afraid I am of the mindset that there's little Celestia could do.   The most effective strategy seems to be more akin to like... massive resource infusion or striking some strange kind of relationship with humankind that temporarily makes mankind pause and think/react instead of getting left to their devices and do what they normally do. *Or basically just using power threats

I also feel slightly bad in saying this but... I think Celestia would be out of her league when trying to guide humankind.

By comparison, her world seems fairly stable and uniform--1000 years of the same ruler and same guiding principles, with ponies founding their society on unity and friendship, little to no wars to speak of during those 1000 years, and the ponies as a whole race seem to dominantly only have a single nation (not counting other races, which regardless seem to have nations in the single digits).

Despite being kind, wise, and as old as heck, I don't see her having the experience or mindset equipped to deal with an entirely new race of hundreds of nations, hundreds of cultures, billions of radical-prone individuals, who can't seem to stray from war for more than 20-150 years per nation. Probably less than 5-10 years globally.

 

Plus there's already groups that readily denounce new things, things that conflict with their beliefs, or things that impose on their free will. (Aliens = demons)

Other groups seize opportunity as it presents itself. (New world with resources)

Some are just crazy and are prone to assassinating major figures and stirring up trouble (Garfield's assassination, among many other assassinations in the US)

Some fear social change and cling to past beliefs and heritage. (KKK, many social/political groups groups, early republicans)

 

I mean, the Native Americans we only signed treaties with when we couldn't overpower them. We eventually encroached further and further into their valuable lands because we grew to have the power to do so. (Black Hills as an example, or the vast majority of land beyond the smokey mountains)

 

That said, I also think she'd probably form a religion by accident, infuse some interesting bits into the scientific community, and bring about a tooon of social change regardless of intent.

 

I don't see mankind playing nice (at least not long-term), I guess is the summitive though.

 

Sorry to be the long-winded downer. 

Edited March 21, 2014 by SFyr

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

Of course, Pinkie Pie could make a killer party after the peace summit xD

Party?..I like Pinkie parties..

[Adachi 772]

I'm afraid I am of the mindset that there's little Celestia could do.   The most effective strategy seems to be more akin to like... massive resource infusion or striking some strange kind of relationship with humankind that temporarily makes mankind pause and think/react instead of getting left to their devices and do what they normally do. *Or basically just using power threats

I also feel slightly bad in saying this but... I think Celestia would be out of her league when trying to guide humankind.

By comparison, her world seems fairly stable and uniform--1000 years of the same ruler and same guiding principles, with ponies founding their society on unity and friendship, little to no wars to speak of during those 1000 years, and the ponies as a whole race seem to dominantly only have a single nation (not counting other races, which regardless seem to have nations in the single digits).

Despite being kind, wise, and as old as heck, I don't see her having the experience or mindset equipped to deal with an entirely new race of hundreds of nations, hundreds of cultures, billions of radical-prone individuals, who can't seem to stray from war for more than 20-150 years per nation. Probably less than 5-10 years globally.

 

Plus there's already groups that readily denounce new things, things that conflict with their beliefs, or things that impose on their free will. (Aliens = demons)

Other groups seize opportunity as it presents itself. (New world with resources)

Some are just crazy and are prone to assassinating major figures and stirring up trouble (Garfield's assassination, among many other assassinations in the US)

Some fear social change and cling to past beliefs and heritage. (KKK, many social/political groups groups, early republicans)

 

I mean, the Native Americans we only signed treaties with when we couldn't overpower them. We eventually encroached further and further into their valuable lands because we grew to have the power to do so. (Black Hills as an example, or the vast majority of land beyond the smokey mountains)

 

That said, I also think she'd probably form a religion by accident, infuse some interesting bits into the scientific community, and bring about a tooon of social change regardless of intent.

 

I don't see mankind playing nice (at least not long-term), I guess is the summitive though.

 

Sorry to be the long-winded downer. 

Yeah, I get what you mean. If there is a Princess Celestia in another dimension, she probably knows not to try to interfere in the human world, due to how dangerous it is. I think she would also focus on the safety of her own kingdom first, so she would likely never go to the human world in the first place because for one thing, she could get captured, then somehow the other ponies would probably locate her and try to free her, potentially causing more ponies to get captured in the first place. Or even if she didn't get captured, humans might find a way to reopen the portal she used and get to Equestria, which would be pretty bad if the wrong people got there. Although I guess if she can figure out how to do an interdimensional broadcast she could probably at least speak with world leaders safely.

 

As for the religion point, you're so right about that. I think a lot of people would start worshipping Celestia, even though she doesn't see herself as divine. Although I think it would be a happy peaceful religion since it's based on someone who the whole world saw, and can agree exists (although there would probably be arguments on whether she's actually divine or not)

Edit: Didn't Equestria originally have racism? I know the different races didn't trust each other, until Celestia and Luna appeared. So I think she would be qualified to settle racial matters.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Ryudo

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

@@SFyr,@, friendly discussion:

 

All of this assuming that Celestia genuinely wants to help and has acquired information on us, by whatever means.

 

I think that part of the problem is that you are assuming that Celestia doesn't have to deal with bullshit in Equestria. Like I said in my first comment, yes, there is the problem of people that just don't want to listen. But then again, they never had to listen to a 1000+ years old intelligence arguing from experience. We are not talking about deities of chaos or supernatural powers that seep into your mind and turn you evil. Celestia would be dealing with normal humans. Greedy humans whose mind have been made into something and can be changed even if they believe it can't. How many people are born into religions and then are turned in agnostics or atheists and vice-versa?

 

Even if Equestria is this utopia now (which I don't believe it is), it wasn't always. I mean, whenever their government changed from whatever it was to a diarchy, I bet my ass there were ponies that didn't want it. She and Luna dealt with them somehow.

 

And you make it sound so easy to capture Celestia. I assume that if she would be coming, she would not be stupid to just land in front of the Capitol (I assume that's she'd start...) and announce that she brings the gift of friendship to mankind. She'd set up diplomatic missions and reach for the governments. If this doesn't work (suppose that governments are evil and they want to keep people under their heels, and also assuming that it is deemed fair to intervene), I can even see pony agents starting subversion campaigns and making people know the truth and that they have an option. I know that I'd be helping. I mean... Ponies must know how to make war too, if it comes to that.

 

Of course there would be resistance. But all revolutions meet resistance. And it's almost always the establishment that has the upper hand in the beginning.

 

I realized that I kept saying "Celestia", "her", but if this is happening, It would be her, Luna, Cadance, Twilight and the whole of Equestria mobilized to make it happen.

 

I keep feeling that I left something out... Well, I'll just wait for anyone to answer.

Edited March 21, 2014 by moonlightavenger

[Adachi 772]

@@SFyr,@, friendly discussion:

 

All of this assuming that Celestia genuinely wants to help and has acquired information on us, by whatever means.

 

I think that part of the problem is that you are assuming that Celestia doesn't have to deal with bullshit in Equestria. Like I said in my first comment, yes, there is the problem of people that just don't want to listen. But then again, they never had to listen to a 1000+ years old intelligence arguing from experience. We are not talking about deities of chaos or supernatural powers that seep into your mind and turn you evil. Celestia would be dealing with normal humans. Greedy humans whose mind have been made into something and can be changed even if they believe it can't. How many people are born into religions and then are turned in agnostics or atheists and vice-versa?

 

Even if Equestria is this utopia now (which I don't believe it would), it wasn't always. I mean, whenever their government changed from whatever it was to a diarchy, I bet my ass there were ponies that didn't want it. She and Luna dealt with them somehow.

 

And you make it sound so easy to capture Celestia. I assume that if she would be coming, she would not be stupid to just land in front of the Capitol (I assume that's she'd start...) and announce that she brings the gift of friendship to mankind. She'd set up diplomatic missions and reach for the governments. If this doesn't work (suppose that governments are evil and they want to keep people under their heels, and also assuming that it is deemed fair to intervene), I can even see pony agents starting subversion campaigns and making people know the truth and that they have an option. I know that I'd be helping. I mean... Ponies must know how to make war too, if it comes to that.

 

Of course there would be resistance. But all revolutions meet resistance. And it's almost always the establishment that has the upper hand in the beginning.

 

I realized that I kept saying "Celestia", "her", but if this is happening, It would be her, Luna, Cadance, Twilight and the whole of Equestria mobilized to make it happen.

 

I keep feeling that I left something out... Well, I'll just wait for anyone to answer.

 

Yeah, if anything, she would probably find a trustworthy brony to stay with for now, until she can get to the proper channels. She would never just come to our world and land in a random spot and walk around asking if anyone knows how to contact the President. And that would be awesome, a pony led peace force that helps free people from oppressive governments. Although you have to consider, would she do it? Assuming that she just started to learn about humans, as kind as she is, I don't think she would want to put her people at risk for people from another dimension. And there's a certain wisdom to not meddling in the affairs of other countries. There are also things to consider like, maybe some of the people like things the way they are. Although I think only the elites like this system of things, and seeing how downtrodden and abused a lot of people are, she would take pity and do anything she could to make things better for everyone.

[King Sejong 859]

   I will say this, I wish we had leaders with the charm of Princess Celestia, and the sympathy of Princess Luna, because our leaders today can be very callous and impudent. For the grace and poise of the Celestial sisters, they can inspire and invoke enthusiasm to help ourselves first, as opposed to the scripted rhetoric of our current leaders, who have intent to provide us with everything, however with strings attached and on a promise, and by those promises we cling on gasps of hope, and sinews of trust. I know if I had the Royal Pony sisters as my leaders, it would bring a epiphany to do better, for everyone including myself, a leader can only do so much, it is we the people who have to carry out the grand vision of a better world, and address the problems in it, so I am inclined to believe maybe we can be as if we are like Princess Celestia, yet if she and Luna were real, I would be there to listen to whatever they have to query, and tell them what we wish to do.  

[Noire Panzer 3,526]

   I will say this, I wish we had leaders with the charm of Princess Celestia, and the sympathy of Princess Luna, because our leaders today can be very callous and impudent. For the grace and poise of the Celestial sisters, they can inspire and invoke enthusiasm to help ourselves first, as opposed to the scripted rhetoric of our current leaders, who have intent to provide us with everything, however with strings attached and on a promise, and by those promises we cling on gasps of hope, and sinews of trust. I know if I had the Royal Pony sisters as my leaders, it would bring a epiphany to do better, for everyone including myself, a leader can only do so much, it is we the people who have to carry out the grand vision of a better world, and address the problems in it, so I am inclined to believe maybe we can be as if we are like Princess Celestia, yet if she and Luna were real, I would be there to listen to whatever they have to query, and tell them what we wish to do.  

Maybe we could get some bronies with the traits of the sisters as leaders :s 

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

Yeah, if anything, she would probably find a trustworthy brony to stay with for now, until she can get to the proper channels. She would never just come to our world and land in a random spot and walk around asking if anyone knows how to contact the President. And that would be awesome, a pony led peace force that helps free people from oppressive governments. Although you have to consider, would she do it? Assuming that she just started to learn about humans, as kind as she is, I don't think she would want to put her people at risk for people from another dimension. And there's a certain wisdom to not meddling in the affairs of other countries. There are also things to consider like, maybe some of the people like things the way they are. Although I think only the elites like this system of things, and seeing how downtrodden and abused a lot of people are, she would take pity and do anything she could to make things better for everyone.

There was a discussion about wherever countries should intervene in countries that are "less fortunate". I said the following:

 

If I could believe that the US would come to my country with the express intention of helping me because my government is oppressing me; i.e. save me from oppression; I would welcome them singing the Star-Spangled Banner while holding a small US banner in one hand and a AK-47 in the other. Would others oppose it? Yes. That is why I am armed.

 

If we go down the path of letting people be because they rather not change, then I suppose we better get back into the caves. Change happens. If nobody do anything, it changes in the direction "the establishment" want it to change. If some dude is satisfied with the situation he is in, he is either "winning" (either he really is or he thinks he is) or he thinks things can't change. This doesn't need to be entirely violent, and that is why I said she would be smart enough to start a subversion campaign. Like I said, people change, can be changed and will change one way or another, even if they think they won't.

 

We are assuming that the princess would intervene. It's the premise of the discussion. If the premise is bunk for you, then this conversation is pointless. To be honest, I see your point. And it can be difficult for us to know if she would intervene. But I do think that she probably can change stuff here, if she wants.

 

Another thing: change doesn't have to be complete. The problem is that people that do want change would need a place to go then.

[Bendy 1,821]

 

 

Nah, let's go down the road of Warhammer 40k, become the Imperium of Man, worship the God Emperor of Mankind and kill all the non Human heretics. XD

 

Seriously, though as long as Princess Celestia tries to help us in a real way, with compassion and healing our planet and some good stuff happening like The Gentlemanverse fan fiction universe.

 

Without "The Conversion Bureau" way of saving us, by turning us all into wussy pansy Ponies (that are even more pansy than the canon Ponies) and worship and love her, despite the fact she just destroyed our species. I'd rather live in the Warhammer 40k universe, at least we're still Human and not a bunch of pushovers like Humans are turned into in The Conversion Bureau.

Edited September 5, 2014 by Rush

[StarSwirlTheBearded 356]

If this happened, church and state would merge.  All religions except for a pony-religion would collapse, and even the pony-religion may not be considered a religion since it would be undeniable fact.

 

Other than that, it is very hard for me to imagine all of the good things that would come out of this, and even harder to imagine any negatives.  However, our world has lots of technology and other cultural aspects that Celestia (and other princesses) would not be able to comprehend quickly.

[Freewave 1,145]

I for one welcome our pony overlords.

 

But seriously these kind of threads are a bit ridiculous. The fact that the difficult politics of her empire are invisible on the show, the fact that she's basically the queen of an entire empire (not an elected official) but not corrupted by the experience, and the fact she's basicaly immortal....i just don't how you drop such an unrealisitc premise and then plop her to earth where our current fractured planet is just so divided and expect it to work. The fact that she'd be a unicorn on a planet full of humans, what exactly would she offer us to fix things?  Why would the planet suddently listen to a talking unicorn and unite? Why would she want to help when her existence is what helps keep her own world together? It's really our differences that make things impossible to get along and if we can't unite through congress or the united nations why would we expect having a benevolent alien would be the answer?

 

Sorry its a nice thought...but yeah

Edited March 21, 2014 by Freewave