gaming DEATH BATTLE

[Sazama Ichida 2,366]

It's time for a boss battle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAZsWnFve0

 

Pretty sure the next one is gonna be Rachet & Clank vs. Jakk & Daxter

 

 

That's painfully obvious. I don't know why they even bothered to leave us guessing with this one.

 

[Zhortac 1,473]

 

 

Both guys were too downplayed and Flanderized.

 

Bowser should've become Giga Bowser and/or Dreamy Bowser.

 

And Ganon should've been like how he was in Hyrule Warriors.

 

You mean, massively overpowered? He beat down Zant and Ghirahim without the Triforce of Power, then beat down Lana, Link, and Zelda, and got all three.

That's some serious power on that Ganondorf.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Zhortac

[Ruddboy Olaf 10,628]

It's time for a boss battle!

 

Pretty sure the next one is gonna be Rachet & Clank vs. Jakk & Daxter

 

For two of Nintendo's greatest villains,that was pretty lame. Also,why did they use both Melee and Brawl voices for Ganondorf?

[Alex Night 870]

Hooooo...  Where do I even begin about what's wrong with Bowser vs. Ganon?...

[cider float 2,537]

Goku vs. Luffy in an eating contest

[Castle Bleck 19,284]

Hooooo...  Where do I even begin about what's wrong with Bowser vs. Ganon?...

 

In a nutshell, this was my reaction:

 

[Ruddboy Olaf 10,628]

Hooooo...  Where do I even begin about what's wrong with Bowser vs. Ganon?...

1. Not a 3D fight.

 

2. Was a one-sided idea in the first place.

[Sazama Ichida 2,366]

Putting an overgrown fire-breathing turtle against a powerful demon wizard. ...Not a very good idea.

[Zhortac 1,473]

It was terrible to begin with. I almost wonder if the fans are generally that stupid, or is the whole "a fight that's been requested for some time", damage control...

[Sazama Ichida 2,366]

It was terrible to begin with. I almost wonder if the fans are generally that stupid, or is the whole "a fight that's been requested for some time", damage control...

Screw Attack has apparently gotten low on ideas now and is starting to answer fan requests. Ganon VS Bowser was a very heavily requested fight. And so is Rachet and Clank VS Jak and Daxter.

[Alex Night 870]

1. Not a 3D fight.

 

2. Was a one-sided idea in the first place.

 

 

Funny enough, it's supposed to be a one-sided fight in Bowser's favor.  Although for some reason, Ben thought that Ganon wins because of a No-Limits Fallacy and a "death curse" that takes a life in five seconds instead of hours or even days.  The research was just so bad, really.

 

[Nuke87654 1,849]

 

Funny enough, it's supposed to be a one-sided fight in Bowser's favor.  Although for some reason, Ben thought that Ganon wins because of a No-Limits Fallacy and a "death curse" that takes a life in five seconds instead of hours or even days.  The research was just so bad, really.

 

The site has a huge weakness towards no limit fallacies as anything that has no stated limits gets wanked to death by them. I'm guessing the favor for bowser has to deal with how enchanted silver arrows can harm and kill ganon disproving one needs blessed weapons to do so.

[Alex Night 870]

The site has a huge weakness towards no limit fallacies as anything that has no stated limits gets wanked to death by them. I'm guessing the favor for bowser has to deal with how enchanted silver arrows can harm and kill ganon disproving one needs blessed weapons to do so.

 

 

Funny enough Bowser still has means to get past that supposed durability as they mentioned that Bowser turned an entire kingdom into stone and brick with his Dark Magic.  He can turn Ganon into stone or pile of brick and just punch him into pieces or probably have Mario come by in the post-fight scene and punch it to pieces. (That would've been hilarious actually)  Unfortunately, it seems that the slow death curse thing is more combat worthy than transmutation magic.  I also noticed that they may have either lied or looked at it wrong when they talked about Dry Bowser being dead.  They said that you can see the light missing in his eyes when I looked back on that part at 720p and 1/4 speed and saw that his eyes were actually still there.

 

[Zhortac 1,473]

I really fail to see how Ganondorf winning is a "no limit fallacy". If anything, that would apply if Bowser won, since the only reason why Bowser survives some of the shit in Mario games, is because of the "cartoon logic". Seriously, Mario games are not meant to be taken seriously, so of course Bowser is going to survive black holes, super novas, nukes, or whatever...just so he'll be back in the next game, or be able to party and play tennis and go kart racing.

Without the cartoon logic in play, Ganondorf ghetto stomps, period. It's like I said before, this fight was like if they put someone from Looney Toons against someone like comic Shredder.

[Alex Night 870]

I really fail to see how Ganondorf winning is a "no limit fallacy". If anything, that would apply if Bowser won, since the only reason why Bowser survives some of the shit in Mario games, is because of the "cartoon logic". Seriously, Mario games are not meant to be taken seriously, so of course Bowser is going to survive black holes, super novas, nukes, or whatever...just so he'll be back in the next game, or be able to party and play tennis and go kart racing.

Without the cartoon logic in play, Ganondorf ghetto stomps, period. It's like I said before, this fight was like if they put someone from Looney Toons against someone like comic Shredder.

 

 

It's that reason alone why Bowser should've won.  I mean, remember back with Rainbow Dash vs. Starscream...  People always give the benefit of the doubt to the more serious character because of their opponent's more playful origin.  Same thing happens here with Bowser vs. Ganon except in a gross misinterpretation of Ganon should be capable of.  Regardless on your views of cartoon logic, Bowser has shown to have upper limits along with Ganon which Bowser surpasses on multiple fronts that matter in a Death Battle.  Strength, durability, weapons, combat experience, and is quite even on speed and magic.  The fact of the matter is that Ganon doesn't have invulnerability to conventional means of harm.  There is no credible lore stating that he has immortality or imperviousness from the Triforce of Power which leaves the only place that could support such a claim is in the gameplay mechanics and even then, Ganondorf's shown to not be invulnerable to weapons like the Biggoron Sword, Megaton Hammer, Wolf Link's Bite, or even a Wooden Sword.  I think people take stock too much on Ganon's "holy weapons" argument.  I mean, it makes sense in the sense of comparing opponents of equal power even though he's clearly been shown to be harmed by regular weapons, but the power difference between Bowser and Ganondorf is too distant to even say that he wouldn't be either turned to mush or ripped apart regardless of having a blessed weapon.  Even the size difference is damn distant.  Giant Bowser grows to the size of a castle while Ganon is usually a foot taller than Link in his beast form.  To Bowser, Ganon would be an ant.

 

Even if we take stock into his supposed immortality/invulnerability, Bowser still has means to bypass that with his own Transmutation magic.  He turned an entire kingdom of people into stones and bricks back in Super Mario Bros. (1985) and his Koopa Clown Car has headlights where he can turn the Mario Bros. into stone back in New Super Mario Bros. 2 which they neglected to mention for some reason.  They even wrote down that Bowser did that in SMB, but for some reason thought that a slow Decaying curse that takes hours or even days to kill and requires a glorified spider is more combat worthy.  It's actually very disappointing looking at their analysis of bother characters, seeing a Newgrounds 2001 animation for a fight, and their major "Reach for the Stars" reach on their verdict.

 

[Zhortac 1,473]

 

It's that reason alone why Bowser should've won.  I mean, remember back with Rainbow Dash vs. Starscream...  People always give the benefit of the doubt to the more serious character because of their opponent's more playful origin.  Same thing happens here with Bowser vs. Ganon except in a gross misinterpretation of Ganon should be capable of.  Regardless on your views of cartoon logic, Bowser has shown to have upper limits along with Ganon which Bowser surpasses on multiple fronts that matter in a Death Battle.  Strength, durability, weapons, combat experience, and is quite even on speed and magic.  The fact of the matter is that Ganon doesn't have invulnerability to conventional means of harm.  There is no credible lore stating that he has immortality or imperviousness from the Triforce of Power which leaves the only place that could support such a claim is in the gameplay mechanics and even then, Ganondorf's shown to not be invulnerable to weapons like the Biggoron Sword, Megaton Hammer, Wolf Link's Bite, or even a Wooden Sword.  I think people take stock too much on Ganon's "holy weapons" argument.  I mean, it makes sense in the sense of comparing opponents of equal power even though he's clearly been shown to be harmed by regular weapons, but the power difference between Bowser and Ganondorf is too distant to even say that he wouldn't be either turned to mush or ripped apart regardless of having a blessed weapon.  Even the size difference is damn distant.  Giant Bowser grows to the size of a castle while Ganon is usually a foot taller than Link in his beast form.  To Bowser, Ganon would be an ant.

 

Even if we take stock into his supposed immortality/invulnerability, Bowser still has means to bypass that with his own Transmutation magic.  He turned an entire kingdom of people into stones and bricks back in Super Mario Bros. (1985) and his Koopa Clown Car has headlights where he can turn the Mario Bros. into stone back in New Super Mario Bros. 2 which they neglected to mention for some reason.  They even wrote down that Bowser did that in SMB, but for some reason thought that a slow Decaying curse that takes hours or even days to kill and requires a glorified spider is more combat worthy.  It's actually very disappointing looking at their analysis of bother characters, seeing a Newgrounds 2001 animation for a fight, and their major "Reach for the Stars" reach on their verdict.

 

 

You're proving my point that Bowser would've been the "no limit" fallacy. Look how Ganon is defeated in every game he's in; it requires a holy weapon like Silver Arrows, Light Arrows, the Master Sword, etc. Bowser has been defeated by a plethora of things, some making him super mega strong, while others make him seem like a laughable joke. Ganon's power has pretty much been set in every game, where as Bowser varies on how rediculas the game is. One game he can get beaten by something that would be some DBZ level shit, but then the next game he gets beat by having a block fall on his head. Bowser is pretty much a cartoon character, you can't gauge them properly, because of toon logic. Putting Bowser on a realistic scale to pit him in this kind of fight, gimps him and gives Ganon the advantage. It would be like if they did the fight, but Ganon couldn't use dark magic. Since they don't use toon logic in a battle using research, Ganon was going to win from the beginning. 

As for the Starscream vs Rainbow Dash comparison, that's moot because G1 Starscream is shit. He got his ass kicked by Gearz, the paper cup of transformers.

[Moon Sugar 532]

I really enjoy Death Battles!

Granted I don't know most of the characters, I really enjoyed the Tails vs. Luigi one!

[Alex Night 870]

You're proving my point that Bowser would've been the "no limit" fallacy. Look how Ganon is defeated in every game he's in; it requires a holy weapon like Silver Arrows, Light Arrows, the Master Sword, etc. Bowser has been defeated by a plethora of things, some making him super mega strong, while others make him seem like a laughable joke. Ganon's power has pretty much been set in every game, where as Bowser varies on how rediculas the game is. One game he can get beaten by something that would be some DBZ level shit, but then the next game he gets beat by having a block fall on his head. Bowser is pretty much a cartoon character, you can't gauge them properly, because of toon logic. Putting Bowser on a realistic scale to pit him in this kind of fight, gimps him and gives Ganon the advantage. It would be like if they did the fight, but Ganon couldn't use dark magic. Since they don't use toon logic in a battle using research, Ganon was going to win from the beginning. 

As for the Starscream vs Rainbow Dash comparison, that's moot because G1 Starscream is shit. He got his ass kicked by Gearz, the paper cup of transformers.

 

 

How does Bowser have any NLFs?  That literally makes no sense.  Bowser has shown his upper limit which is surviving inside of a Black Hole whereas Ganon's upper limit of durability is surviving an explosion Midna caused that destroyed all of Hyrule Castle.  Toon logic has nothing to do with Bowser's NLFs which he has none of.  The fact that Bowser is from a more happy-go-lucky universe doesn't mean that he has no limits when he's clearly shown what his limits are which on durability is surviving inside of Black Holes in Bowser's Inside Story.  So the fact that the Mario cast is a troupe of actors makes them so gimped in a Death Battle in comparison to a more grounded universe like Zelda?  Judging Bowser on a realistic scale would put him at ridiculous levels of power since he has enough strength in his legs as a Giant to lessen the pull of a Black Hole and constantly survives molten dips before.

 

Ganon is the one with the No-Limits Fallacy because people keep preaching about how he can only be killed by holy weapons even though nothing in Zelda media states that he has immortality or invulnerability.  That's the problem with Ganon in Vs. Debates.  It's like trying to say that Ganon wins against Wonder Woman because she doesn't have any blessed weapons even though she outclasses him in all fronts that matter in a Death Battle.  You realize how dumb that sounds that despite being able to utterly annihilate a person, they somehow can't die because of some Deus Ex Machina that doesn't actually exist for Ganon?  Even then, Ganon can be heavily damaged by normal weapons before all the way to an inch of his life like the Wooden Sword from LoZ, Megaton Hammer and Biggoron Sword which does more damage than the Master Sword btw in OoT, and he even can be killed without the Master Sword or Silver Arrow in Oracle of Ages/Seasons.  The only reason people keep saying that he is unkillable without holy weapons is because of gameplay mechanics forcing you to go by the storytelling in order to make it seem more impactful.

 

Also, you haven't disproved what I said.  Where exactly is it stated in any Zelda media from the games, the manga, and even the Hyrule Historia that Ganon gets immortality or invulnerability from the Triforce of Power?  Like in the sense of he cannot die no matter what way, not the long living way?  Another question...  If the Triforce of Power grants the user such powers, then why need the Master Sword to begin with?  The Master Sword is designed to repel evil, not negate the effects of the Triforce.  The Triforce and its pieces doesn't distinguish between good and evil.  If the ToP grants Ganon such abilities, then Link would've had no way of winning against Ganon in OoT, but as we can see from the different timelines, that isn't true.  Therefore, it can be safely concluded that Ganon doesn't have such gifts, but instead given high durability which we've seen is strong enough to tank an explosion that destroys a castle like it was nothing.  A vulnerability just means you take more damage from a certain attack or weapon, not as in "it's the only way to kill me" kind of way.  Sure, Werewolves claim to be only killed by Silver Bullets for example, but he clearly hasn't been on the receiving end of a 7.62 NATO Minigun.

 

The episode was just awful.  The funniest joke in the analysis was a mom joke, the animation looked like it was 2001 Newgrounds animation although I really loved the tennis section, they contradicted themselves about Ganon's vulnerability, they gave false information about Dry Bowser actually being dead because you can actually see Bowser's eyes when looking at that part in a 720p vid at 1/4 speed, and they treated the hours long curse he put on an aging tree like it was the Avada Kedavra from Harry Potter while completely ignoring that Bowser turned an entire kingdom's citizens into stone and brick with his Dark Magic even though they featured that feat in Bowser's analysis.  Magic like that gets past abnormal durability like Ganon's supposed invulnerability and yet they don't merit it being worthy of giving Bowser a win condition.  The best part about it was the music that was made by Brandon Yates.

 

That being said, I'm finished debating about it.  All I can do is let my thoughts, observations, and knowledge drop.  It's even bad enough that the volunteer research team even concluded that Bowser should logically win and yet Ben reached so hard to have Ganon win.  I already knew Bowser should've won before reading their findings.  http://odbfb.blogspot.com/2016/04/death-battle-predictions-bowser-vs.html

 

Now...  I'm very excited for Ratchet & Clank vs. Jak & Daxter since it is confirmed to be 3D and I do love Torrian's work regardless of the fight outcome.

 

 

Now me personally, I'd love to see a battle between Shantae and Midna from Twilight Princess.  Both are fighters that use their hair for more than looking good and are powerful magic users.  I really want to see Shantae fight her than Shovel Knight since they literally share nothing in common other than being highly known in the indie community.

[Magnum Flare 553]

And now, new Death Battle!

 

Edited April 27, 2016 by Magnum Flare

[Zhortac 1,473]

 

How does Bowser have any NLFs?  That literally makes no sense.  Bowser has shown his upper limit which is surviving inside of a Black Hole whereas Ganon's upper limit of durability is surviving an explosion Midna caused that destroyed all of Hyrule Castle.  Toon logic has nothing to do with Bowser's NLFs which he has none of.  The fact that Bowser is from a more happy-go-lucky universe doesn't mean that he has no limits when he's clearly shown what his limits are which on durability is surviving inside of Black Holes in Bowser's Inside Story.  So the fact that the Mario cast is a troupe of actors makes them so gimped in a Death Battle in comparison to a more grounded universe like Zelda?  Judging Bowser on a realistic scale would put him at ridiculous levels of power since he has enough strength in his legs as a Giant to lessen the pull of a Black Hole and constantly survives molten dips before.

 

Ganon is the one with the No-Limits Fallacy because people keep preaching about how he can only be killed by holy weapons even though nothing in Zelda media states that he has immortality or invulnerability.  That's the problem with Ganon in Vs. Debates.  It's like trying to say that Ganon wins against Wonder Woman because she doesn't have any blessed weapons even though she outclasses him in all fronts that matter in a Death Battle.  You realize how dumb that sounds that despite being able to utterly annihilate a person, they somehow can't die because of some Deus Ex Machina that doesn't actually exist for Ganon?  Even then, Ganon can be heavily damaged by normal weapons before all the way to an inch of his life like the Wooden Sword from LoZ, Megaton Hammer and Biggoron Sword which does more damage than the Master Sword btw in OoT, and he even can be killed without the Master Sword or Silver Arrow in Oracle of Ages/Seasons.  The only reason people keep saying that he is unkillable without holy weapons is because of gameplay mechanics forcing you to go by the storytelling in order to make it seem more impactful.

 

Also, you haven't disproved what I said.  Where exactly is it stated in any Zelda media from the games, the manga, and even the Hyrule Historia that Ganon gets immortality or invulnerability from the Triforce of Power?  Like in the sense of he cannot die no matter what way, not the long living way?  Another question...  If the Triforce of Power grants the user such powers, then why need the Master Sword to begin with?  The Master Sword is designed to repel evil, not negate the effects of the Triforce.  The Triforce and its pieces doesn't distinguish between good and evil.  If the ToP grants Ganon such abilities, then Link would've had no way of winning against Ganon in OoT, but as we can see from the different timelines, that isn't true.  Therefore, it can be safely concluded that Ganon doesn't have such gifts, but instead given high durability which we've seen is strong enough to tank an explosion that destroys a castle like it was nothing.  A vulnerability just means you take more damage from a certain attack or weapon, not as in "it's the only way to kill me" kind of way.  Sure, Werewolves claim to be only killed by Silver Bullets for example, but he clearly hasn't been on the receiving end of a 7.62 NATO Minigun.

 

The episode was just awful.  The funniest joke in the analysis was a mom joke, the animation looked like it was 2001 Newgrounds animation although I really loved the tennis section, they contradicted themselves about Ganon's vulnerability, they gave false information about Dry Bowser actually being dead because you can actually see Bowser's eyes when looking at that part in a 720p vid at 1/4 speed, and they treated the hours long curse he put on an aging tree like it was the Avada Kedavra from Harry Potter while completely ignoring that Bowser turned an entire kingdom's citizens into stone and brick with his Dark Magic even though they featured that feat in Bowser's analysis.  Magic like that gets past abnormal durability like Ganon's supposed invulnerability and yet they don't merit it being worthy of giving Bowser a win condition.  The best part about it was the music that was made by Brandon Yates.

 

That being said, I'm finished debating about it.  All I can do is let my thoughts, observations, and knowledge drop.  It's even bad enough that the volunteer research team even concluded that Bowser should logically win and yet Ben reached so hard to have Ganon win.  I already knew Bowser should've won before reading their findings.  http://odbfb.blogspot.com/2016/04/death-battle-predictions-bowser-vs.html

 

Now...  I'm very excited for Ratchet & Clank vs. Jak & Daxter since it is confirmed to be 3D and I do love Torrian's work regardless of the fight outcome.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not explaining again that Bowser is the equivalent to a looney toon character. Mario games are on the same level as a Looney Toons episode, that's why Bowser can survive anything they feel like he should.

Zelda is a serious adventure series, where as Mario is a cartoon about saving the princess for the billionth time. In Mario's world, rules are changed based on each game, where as in Zelda, the rules are pretty much the same in each one.

Oh good gawd, why...

 

This is more one sided, than a man in paper armor against a flame thrower.

[Fractured 2,683]

Considering Flash when he's actually not jobbing to anyone and everyone can stomp Wonder Woman, tango with a bloodlusted Superman, KO a being that put the former on his backside, and scare Superboy-Prime (Who molly-whopped most of DC Earth) with just the mention of his name... Eh... at least it'll be nice to watch.

By the way, he can also steal kinetic energy, removing his opponents speed and turning them into immobile statues while he gets faster. I wonder how they're going to work past that, or if it'll just be wandwaved away for convenience.

[Alex Night 870]

Considering Flash when he's actually not jobbing to anyone and everyone can stomp Wonder Woman, tango with a bloodlusted Superman, KO a being that put the former on his backside, and scare Superboy-Prime (Who molly-whopped most of DC Earth) with just the mention of his name... Eh... at least it'll be nice to watch.

 

By the way, he can also steal kinetic energy, removing his opponents speed and turning them into immobile statues while he gets faster. I wonder how they're going to work past that, or if it'll just be wandwaved away for convenience.

 

I mean, it all depends on how the Speed Force works outside of other universes that aren't DC.  Even then, it's still in good favor of The Flash.

[Zhortac 1,473]

The only way this could be fair for Quick Silver, is if it were Jay Garrick, or Wally West.

But it'll probably be Barry, so this is going to be a roflstomp, unless Screw Attack underplays Barry, or some other bull.

[Eternal Nature 321]

Ya got any ideas on who would take on Sans from Undertale, in case they ever did one?

[Ruddboy Olaf 10,628]

On 2016-05-06 at 4:18 AM, RootedWisdom said:

Ya got any ideas on who would take on Sans from Undertale, in case they ever did one?

I'm not familiar with Undertale. But, can Sans even fight?

Edited July 22 by Ruddboy Olaf