books Spider-Man vs Batman

[Dattebayo 2,850]

@@Dattebayo,

Weren't you going to continue debating why Batman can win? I already debunked blindness doing anything

Oh, I see.

 

*cracks neck*

 

Well sh*t, I can post something from wildly specific source materials too.

In Spidey comics I've read that have come across the blindness issue, he's severely hindered. Hindered enough to let bad guys get a considerable drop on him. Bad guys who don't carry flash AND smoke pellets as standard fare. Bad guys who aren't half the man Bats is.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

Really? When was this? Scans or videos, otherwise, it never happened 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

@@Dattebayo,

Really? When was this? Scans or videos, otherwise, it never happened

Comics aren't like manga, I can't just find it on the internet. x)

But I'm sure the library has a selection of Spiderman comics, and he's bound to get his asses kicked in at least ONE of them. x)

 

I'll get back to you on it.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

I have several here. Let's see, he was losing against Doc Ock, but Doc Ock's tentacles move fast enough to deflect machine gun bullets, so that's not a mark against him. He was losing to Mysterio, but Mysterio was outright inhibiting his Spider Sense with a special sonic frequency(it was by luck that Mysterio chose the right one, don't have Batman pulling that. Besides, his Spider Sense is stronger now) and after landing one hit on Mysterio, it was over

 

Let's see, he was getting trashed against Venom, but Venom is immune to Spider Sense and just as fast as him.

 

Notice a pattern? The foes who hurt him are fast enough that they can tag him, even with an early warning system and some of them can negate it. Batman has neither of these luxuries

Look at that, Spider-Man dodging point blank gunfire and predicting it way before hand. Batman is too slow, too weak, and doesn't have the overall ability to take him down

[Dattebayo 2,850]

You're pitting a superhuman who's powers read like a superhero handbook versus standard equipment Batman, who's best power is the knowledge of everything beforehand. Preparedness, pretty much...and that's not allowed in this thread.

That, again, is like saying that Spidey can't use one of hios important powers (which would be bullsh*t).

 

Remember that.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

I could take away Spider-Man's webbing, he'd still blitz Batman. I could take away his super strength, he's still too fast. I could take away his speed, he's stronger than Bane and Killer Croc combined. Do you want me to blindfold Spider-Man and tie his hands behind his back? He'd still probably win

 

I am unsure if you protesting the injustice that Batman will lose or if you are trying to debate a point 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

@@Dattebayo,

I could take away Spider-Man's webbing, he'd still blitz Batman. I could take away his super strength, he's still too fast. I could take away his speed, he's stronger than Bane and Killer Croc combined. Do you want me to blindfold Spider-Man and tie his hands behind his back? He'd still probably win

 

I am unsure if you protesting the injustice that Batman will lose or if you are trying to debate a point

The latter.

I'm showing that it's an unfair fight, like...I don't know...Hulk vs. Wolverine if he couldn't use his claws (I know he already lost, I'm making a point). You're taking away what Makes Batman "Batman", and that's why it's not a good match-up.

 

But for the sake of argument...

Okay, let's explore that.

 

Take away his Super Strength. All he is now is an agile fighter with super senses. Lady Shiva is way deadlier than Spiderman (don't BS and say she's not), with her near-infinite knowledge of martial arts, super speed, and body-movement reading abilities. Bats held his own against her quite damn well (comics, not Arkahm: Origins, though I'll include that too since we're grasping at straws).

 

Take away his speed...all he is is a normal human (agility-wise) with no speed to back that punch up...just like the many villains in Batman's rouge's gallery that can attest to how much Bat's brand of street justice hurts.

 

Webbing...well, that's not what I'm arguing against (meta-human powers), unless you're gonna use the canon that he shoots them out of his actual wrists, not his web shooters (which are notorious for running out at the least opportune moment).

Edited April 9, 2014 by Dattebayo

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

Comparing Shiva to Spider-Man is grossly unfair. Spider-Man can dodge point blank machine gun fire, dodge bullets AFTER they're fired, and has made Nightcrawler, a teleporter, admit defeat in speed. Spidey now knows martial arts, thanks to Shang Chi, and with him being that fast, Batman is down before he can process it

 

Without any powers, then Spider-Man is basically doomed unless he uses webs, which will trash Batman, considering they can imprison Blob. 

 

I don't get your point. Are you saying that Batman is so dependant on prep that it's an essential part of his character to fight villains? Spider-Man NEEDS those powers because most of his villains are just as strong or stronger than him. Some are even faster, like Carnage and Doc Ock. 

 

Batman does not need prep most of the time, unless you are telling me he needs a day of prep to take down Penguin or Joker. 

 

BTW, I swear, if you bring up Batman beating Carnage....

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Just like Spidey needs his powers for larger threats, so does Batman need his planning for larger threats (remember how he invented a god damn back-up Batman in his brain in case of brainwashing? Holy sh*t.).

He may not need them for Penguin per-say, but he will definitely have plans upon OTHER plans for everything just in case the main attack on Penguin doesn't't work. He has to be prepared for evrything. He's Batman.

 

TAKE THAT AWAY. Now he's just a guy who's an expert martial artist and has a bunch of gadgets. His mind may be sharp and his senses tuned, but he's fighting a metahuman with only standard gear, while said metahuman is coming to the fight fully-armed.

 

Basically, it all comes down to this, unfortunately...

Without prep or prior knowledge, Spiderman wins.

WITH prep or prior knowledge, Batman wins. A close fight, as Parker is no slouch at prep, but Bats has way more resources at his disposal and is a stickler for planning, not to mention that Spiderman is a very public hero (so there's more info to gather) and Batman is still considered an urban legend by many.

 

gg no re

 

/you and I both know...no amount of Prep time can prepare ANYONE for The Joker. x)

// ;o

Edited April 9, 2014 by Dattebayo

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

AHA! I knew you'd bring up the Carnage scan! Well then, I've got something or you

Spider-Man is surviving Venom's punches, he must be Superman tier!!

 Spider-Man is beating the shit out of Firelord, a herald of Galacuts, guess Spider-Man is now a planet buster!!

 

Yeah, we don't use PIS around these parts. 

 

Even with prep, Spider-Man could be very dangerous to Batman. Even worse if it is Superior Spider-Man, that is to say, Doc Ock inside of Spider-Man's body. That one has all sorts of armor suits

Edited April 9, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Hey! I already conceded! xD

 

Very dangerous...but still win.

As I said, it'd be a very close fight.

 

Besides, in my head, it plays out like the Flash vs Superman in a race around the world..

Neck in neck...and then they have to team up to fight the greater evil and no one knows who won.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

I do have one last badass scan I want to show

 

 

When Doc Ock mind took over Spider-Man's body, he tore off Scorpion's jaw. That was cool

[Dattebayo 2,850]

I like this one...

 

Old Batman beating Supes up with Kryptonite gauntlets after setting him on fire with Kryptonite flames...

Nice touch.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

That's nice too. It's non-canon though, i think 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

@@Dattebayo,

That's nice too. It's non-canon though, i think

I thought we were posting favorite scans?

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo,

I'll be back tommorow with more scans 

[Castle Bleck 19,401]

Wouldn't Batman have some type of sonar gadget or something to disrupt the Spidey Sense?

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

It's a very specific frequency, figured out by Mysterio, a genius, after months of study. Said sonic frequency never worked again since Spider-Man adapted 

@Dattebayo

Spider-Man pimp slapping Kingpin

Edited April 9, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[Evilshy 5,091]

Aw... arguments over, I love debating superhero/manga matchups :

 

In short, without prep, spiderman wins. Since that was one of the rules in the opening post, Spiderman wins this thread.

 

With prep, it depends on how much intel they have (Batman wouldn't have a database of a Marvel characters strengths and weaknesses ), but it's probably Batman. The more intel they have on each other, the closer it gets to a Batman win.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Evilshy,

Are there any Batman fanboys around? Usually the come in screaming that Batman is stronger than Bane, so he can beat Spider-Man

 

Anyway, with prep, it depends on knowledge. Spider-Man has outsmarted Iron Man before but Batman has out gambled Superman. They're both very smart 

[Castle Bleck 19,401]

Usually the come in screaming that Batman is stronger than Bane

 

 

True Batman fanboys would know better.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

Here's a direct quote from one

 

"Bane is almost as strong as Superman and Batman beats him. You think that wimpy nerd Peter will do anything? Lol. his muscles are tiny. Batman kicks his ass" 

[Castle Bleck 19,401]

@Evil Dragon Master,

 

 

Nostalgia Critic: "DON'T YOU KNOW THAT?!?!"

Edited April 9, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Darker 1,352]

Pretty obvious who wins. Spidey by a long shot, one punch and all of Batsy's bones are broken. Bitchman is pretty overrated, especially in these kind of things.