Why do people call Princess Luna sympathetic?

[Hive King 2,001]

Luna had a huge ego and was unable to stand having less attention. It's telling that when we later see this, IT IS AN 8 YEAR OLD ACTING LIKE THIS!! Luna outright admits that she was acting like a brat. Luna does get some sympathy for how utterly pathetic it is to have en ego that large, but she is sympathetic in the way that this guy is sympathetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULgVcSzHx4

It's not her personality, it's the fact that someone that could have been so good is reduced to so little because of their pride and refusal to back down.

 

Now, as to why people find her sympathetic, she's black, loves the night, and is more edgy than Celestia, of course people will love her. It's the same reason Draco Malfoy gets so many fanfics of him being a good guy, they're edgy. I assure you that if Luna was the day instead, people would not care at all

[Shanks 10,816]

Luna had a huge ego and was unable to stand having less attention.

When I think of villains with massive egos Frieza does indeed come to mind but Luna is not the same as Frieza by a long shot. Frieza was a cold blooding murdering tyrant who willing to stop at nothing to get what he wanted. He wiped out many sapient species and planets just so he can colonize and rule over them, if Nighmare Moon has an ego it dosen't stem from the desire for absolute power like Frieza if anything King Sombra is a lot more like Frieza. Nightmare Moon did some bad stuff but she is Mother Teresa compared to Frieza. I think this is a bit more complicated than just the matter of a spoiled child throwing a tantrum from not having enough attention as I said in my previous statement. It of course dosen't excuse what she did but I hope they elaborate on this more. 

[Hive King 2,001]

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Oh, I wasn't comparing their evil, I was comparing their ego and in that respect, Luna was indeed just as egotistical. Her ego is in a different direction, but I don't doubt that if she was in Freeza's position, NIGHTMARE MOON, would do the same. Luna would probably just conquer Equestria and nothing else 

[Forlong 1,726]

Luna had a huge ego and was unable to stand having less attention. It's telling that when we later see this, IT IS AN 8 YEAR OLD ACTING LIKE THIS!! Luna outright admits that she was acting like a brat. Luna does get some sympathy for how utterly pathetic it is to have en ego that large, but she is sympathetic in the way that this guy is sympathetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULgVcSzHx4

It's not her personality, it's the fact that someone that could have been so good is reduced to so little because of their pride and refusal to back down.

 

Now, as to why people find her sympathetic, she's black, loves the night, and is more edgy than Celestia, of course people will love her. It's the same reason Draco Malfoy gets so many fanfics of him being a good guy, they're edgy. I assure you that if Luna was the day instead, people would not care at all

Frieza killed billions with no remorse.  Luna caused a short rebellion with no known casualties as does feel sorry for it.  Might as well compare her with Hitler, since you're obviously out of your mind.

 

The reason Luna is beloved, for you information, is because her problems are believable and easy to relate to, she is absolutely adorable and quotable, and she is more direct in dealing with problems than her sister.  Also, Luna is blue, not black.  I'd say you're color blind, but even the color blind know the difference between blue and black.  You really can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

[Hive King 2,001]

Frieza killed billions with no remorse.  Luna caused a short rebellion with no known casualties as does feel sorry for it.  Might as well compare her with Hitler, since you're obviously out of your mind.

I wasn't comparing their evil, just their ego.

 

 

is because her problems are believable and easy to relate to

So you've led a coup over lack of attention and been imprisoned for 1,000 years?

 

 

she is absolutely adorable and quotable

Your point being? This is cute too, but it snatches up children

 

 

 

 

and she is more direct in dealing with problems than her siste

 

Yet who was the one risking her life while the other slept?

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Luna is blue, not black.  I'd say you're color blind, but even the color blind know the difference between blue and black

Your point being? She's a Batman color then, the point is, it's edgy and angsty

Edited April 18, 2014 by Flipturn

[Forlong 1,726]

I wasn't comparing their evil, just their ego.

 

So you've led a coup over lack of attention and been imprisoned for 1,000 years?

 

Your point being? This is cute too, but it snatches up children

 

Yet who was the one risking her life while the other slept?

 

Your point being? She's a Batman color then, the point is, it's edgy and angsty

1. You were trying to compare egos?  Well then you made a terrible choice.  Frieza isn't known for his ego.  You couldn't have gone with Vegeta?  Also, you're saying that expecting recognition is egotistical?  That's disgusting.
2. Her problems, idiot.  Seeing another be praised while you are ignored.  Yeah, a lot of people can relate to that.  Trouble socializing?  That too.
3. Point being that you pretended like that wasn't a factor in why anypony likes her.  Instead focusing on a color that she isn't.  Logic is a foreign concept to you, isn't it?
4. Does that one episode negate the fact that she fought against Discord and Sombra?  That she was the one that was ready to face Sombra by herself?  That she provides direct guidance to Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle?  You can't just take one quote and ignore everything else she's done.  That bias hatred.
5. Except that she isn't.  You have compared her to characters that have personalities nothing like her.  You didn't compare her to Hinata, Elsa, or any character that she is actual similar to.  This is because you haven't bothered to understand her character.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Flipturn

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

You were trying to compare egos?  Well then you made a terrible choice.  Frieza isn't known for his ego.  You couldn't have gone with Vegeta?  Also, you're saying that expecting recognition is egotistical?  That's disgusting.

Did you miss his little rant where he refused to give up because he'd rather die than admit defeat? And expecting ponies to have insomnia and throwing a coup over it is egotistical

 

 

Her problems, idiot.  Seeing another be praised while you are ignored.  Yeah, a lot of people can relate to that.  Trouble socializing?  That too.

Yeah, that's a problem. We don't know if people ignored Luna, we just know that they slept at night. She wanted them to play in the night, a physical impossibility. And as for trouble socializing, that came from the fact that she was a genocidal maniac at one point

 

 

Point being that you pretended like that wasn't a factor in why anypony likes her.  Instead focusing on a color that she isn't.  Logic is a foreign concept to you, isn't it?

Yet you cite cuteness as if it is something to absolve her of her crimes

 

 

Does that one episode negate the fact that she fought against Discord and Sombra?  That she was the one that was ready to face Sombra by herself?  That she provides direct guidance to Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle?  You can't just take one quote and ignore everything else she's done.  That bias hatred.

Except that Celestia did those things as well. Regardless, this part doesn't matter much since we're discussing why people find her sympathetic, not why they like her.

 

 

Except that she isn't.  You have compared her to characters that have personalities nothing like her.  You didn't compare her to Hinata, Elsa, or any character that she is actual similar to.  This is because you haven't bothered to understand her character.

An egotistical attention whore? I don't know who Hinata is but comparing her to Elsa is ridiculous. One of them cried over killing her sister, the other one laughed like a lunatic while attempting it. Add to that the fact that Elsa wasn't jealous of anyone and yeah

 

If I had to compare Luna to one character, it'd be Scar if Scar was less insane. They are very similar and while Scar is much more evil, there are huge similarities

[DokiLoki 519]

I think you are clearly confused. If Luna wasn't sympathetic why would she even bother to go into random pony's dreams and talk to them with concern?  

[Forlong 1,726]

Did you miss his little rant where he refused to give up because he'd rather die than admit defeat? And expecting ponies to have insomnia and throwing a coup over it is egotistical

 

 

Yeah, that's a problem. We don't know if people ignored Luna, we just know that they slept at night. She wanted them to play in the night, a physical impossibility. And as for trouble socializing, that came from the fact that she was a genocidal maniac at one point

 

 

Yet you cite cuteness as if it is something to absolve her of her crimes

 

 

Except that Celestia did those things as well. Regardless, this part doesn't matter much since we're discussing why people find her sympathetic, not why they like her.

 

 

An egotistical attention whore? I don't know who Hinata is but comparing her to Elsa is ridiculous. One of them cried over killing her sister, the other one laughed like a lunatic while attempting it. Add to that the fact that Elsa wasn't jealous of anyone and yeah

 

If I had to compare Luna to one character, it'd be Scar if Scar was less insane. They are very similar and while Scar is much more evil, there are huge similarities

First of all, take a look at the title: "Why do people call Princess Luna sympathetic?"  Desperately trying to get us to see her as chaotic evil has nothing to do with that question.  Good or evil, Luna is sympathetic because of what was in the show and comics, that you constantly ignore.  Luna was not given proper dues as Princess and constantly out-shined by her sister.  This is from canon material (not that you give that any merit).

 

In short: Luna is sympathetic because viewers can relate to her problems.  Discussion over.  That was easy.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Flipturn

[Mywas 687]

First of all, take a look at the title: "Why do people call Princess Luna sympathetic?"  Desperately trying to get us to see her as chaotic evil has nothing to do with that question.  Good or evil, Luna is sympathetic because of what was in the show and comics, that you constantly ignore.  Luna was not given proper dues as Princess and constantly out-shined by her sister.  This is from canon material (not that you give that any merit).

 

 

In short: Luna is sympathetic because viewers can relate to her problems.  Discussion over.  That was easy.

Relate to ger problems? I didn't know half of the fandom are angry because people sleep during there nightshift

Edited April 18, 2014 by Flipturn

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

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@Forlong,  ,

 

 

You do know that... you are getting no where, you both have such thought out arguments so this is going to go on forever with each of you having a counter argument ready to counter the other counter argument. I shall soon

step in and pwn you with my intellect.

(not saying you are stupid, just saying that I will use full 10% brain power on you)

Edited April 18, 2014 by Times S. Hay

[Adachi 772]

I think the nightmare force or whatever amplified her feelings of doubt, before she even knew it was there. Read the comics, at the part where the Nightmare Rarity arc starts. Rarity kept getting dreams of being abandoned, and at the time she didn't know there was this malevolent force that was manipulating her. Yes, the reason for wanting to make forevernight was lame, but by that time, Nightmare Moon was almost in full control, she just didn't make Luna physically transform into Nightmare Moon yet. That doesn't mean that she wasn't already fully invading her mind and controlling her, or at the least, amplifying her emotions by a huge amount.

 

Also, the reason Luna didn't show up til the end of Canterlot Wedding was because she sleeps during the day. It was ending right around when Luna's shift started, and Celestia didn't have time to wake Luna up early.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Princess of the Sun

[Forlong 1,726]

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@Forlong,  ,

 

 

You do know that... you are getting no where, you both have such thought out arguments so this is going to go on forever with each of you having a counter argument ready to counter the other counter argument. I shall soon

step in and pwn you with my intellect.

(not saying you are stupid, just saying that I will use full 10% brain power on you)

You could be right.  And I let myself get so entrenched that I started insulting Dragon Master.  Sorry about that.  I'll at least drop the argument.

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

You could be right.  And I let myself get so entrenched that I started insulting Dragon Master.  Sorry about that.  I'll at least drop the argument.

Let us just say that You were right sometimes, Dragon was right sometimes. I officially call this argument a Tie

[Hive King 2,001]

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Minor note, the reason I hadn't replied was because I had already given up the ghost, changing Forlong's mind would be impossible 

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

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Minor note, the reason I hadn't replied was because I had already given up the ghost, changing Forlong's mind would be impossible 

I bet it would be impossible to change your opinion also...

[Hive King 2,001]

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Damn right, lol. I would never give up 

[An Old Head 4,816]

Guys, remember to keep this a healthy discussion. I've just removed a chunk of off-topic posts and image macros from the earlier pages. As they stood, they were only belittling the points that the rest of you folks were making. We're not telling anyone they can't use image macros along with their post, but don't use them to put down other members. It's not nice  :okiedokielokie:

 

Carry on.

[Mywas 687]

I think OP is missing the point. Luna is not sympathetic because her actions as nightmare moon were justifiable, she's sympathetic because of her guilt and regret about it. She was corrupted into something she wasn't and became a monster. For 1000 years she was imprisoned in the moon because of the darkness that corrupted her. When she finally returned to her senses, she clearly felt remorse about what she had done. After being reunited with her sister, she's unable to adjust to a society 1000 years in the future and felt isolated.

Her "fall from grace" can be seen as a bit tragic, and people are always sympathetic to tragic characters.

I actually think her reasons for becoming nightmare moon are somewhat justifiable but still wrong. Its understandable why she felt angry, but you're right that her actions were selfish.

Just because she regretted it doesn't mean she is sympathetic. Its the same problem I had with Azula, she spended the entirety of Book 2 being a massive bitch to everyone including her brother. And in book 3 she has a break down for a stupid reason and they expect me to feel sorry for her

[IceeBrony 251]

I find Luna to be sympathetic. Knowing little about her transformation into Nightmare Moon beyond "[they]... shunned and slept through her beautiful night," I can relate to doing hard work and getting no notice. If that's not relatable, then you probably haven't had your work stepped on hard enough. Her reaction may have been warranted and her banishment overmuch, but we can't assume that. Neither does that detract from her being sympathetic; her actions may have been wrong, but the feelings can be shared. Being banished is also a relatable feeling, if not directly. Almost everyone has felt alone and abandoned. Then her return, she wants to fit in and is remorseful for her actions. Again, very normal feelings. Trying to fit in is a ubiquitous theme. And remorse is something that helps even the worst of people seem more humane. While we may not agree her actions, she is very much a sympathetic character.

[Sceethe 704]

i like her because she looks cool,im gonna be honest.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@IceeBrony,

She acted like a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum. Most people who feel unappreciated don't go

"WAAAAAHHHHH, WAHHHHHHHH! GIMMME ATTTTTENNNTTTTIONNNNN! I NEED MY BINKIE, WAHHHHHHHH!" 

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,839]

Because jealousy is easy to relate to. 

 

We have all felt jealousy over something and it is easy for some to sympathize with those who have felt the hand of jealousy as they have.

[IceeBrony 251]

@ Yes, I read the thread before I posted. I am well aware of your seeming hated towards this topic...

 

That being said, I think you'd be able to sympathize with someone throwing a tantrum and begging for attention. Do you need a hug? <(^.^)>

Edited July 19, 2014 by IceeBrony

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Luna isn't. End of story. She's just cool, and should be respected because she has cool memes.