gaming Are video game villains(Most of them) really evil?

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

I was thinking about Banjo Kazooie today for example. Gruntilda the witch was to me never evil for the sake of being evil. I mean if you played the game, she is Banjo's next door neighbor and was only jealous of Tootie's beauty. She only wanted to be hot and attractive. It wasn't until the second game, where she was terrorizing the jinjos.

 

Any other villains to offer?

[boiteporte 591]

Well, in Mass Effect, the Illusive Man is not really evil, he just made the wrong choices.

 

In Alice Madness Returns, the March Hare and the Dormouse are not evil, they were just tricked. Add to that the fact that they're crazy...

 

In Deus Ex Human Revolution; The enemies are not evil. They want to do good, but their methods are quite violent. It is possible to side with their way of thinking at the end.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

Well, it depends.

 

With some enemies like Alduin and the Archdemon, they are pretty much...well, evil.

 

Other like Comstock from Bioshock Infinite believe what they are doing is right. They aren't evil; just seriously misguided.

[supersonicfan91 55]

The Leader in the new Tomb Raider he thought what he was doing was the only way to get off the island he and other was stuck on he just went to an extreme lengths and he thought he's actions were justified for survival.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,839]

That depends on the perspective and your moral code of what is 'really evil'.

 

For example i feel the Reapers in Mass Effect weren't evil,just doing their job,even if that job was exterminating most life in the galaxy. 

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[TheMarkz0ne 962]

That depends on the perspective and your moral code of what is 'really evil'.

 

For example i feel the Reapers in Mass Effect weren't evil,just doing their job,even if that job was exterminating most life in the galaxy. 

The reapers are actually evil. They're "justification" of genocide was wrong. Genocide is murder period. Also Bioware never really went into full detail WHY species had to die over and over again. They did it just to do it. 

[ShadowPirateX 600]

- Vile from Mega Man X. He's not necessarily evil. He's just out to get X.

- The Helghast from Killzone. Is it really that evil to wish for a home that doesn't constantly try to kill you?

- 90% of the villains in the Metal Gear franchise. For innumerable reasons.

[CMQuickfireTK 751]

Cyber Demon is definitely Evil in Doom.

 

The strogg are definitely evil in Quake.

 

The skaarj are definitely evil in Unreal.

[boiteporte 591]

The Reapers are not evil, they are just machines that were wrongly programmed.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,839]

The reapers are actually evil. They're "justification" of genocide was wrong. Genocide is murder period. Also Bioware never really went into full detail WHY species had to die over and over again. They did it just to do it. 

Their "justification" was relative to pleasing a being beyond them and who ultimately created and programmed them to do what they did. They where in the end machines and their morality would be based on their programming so relative to you,yes they are 'evil' but to them they where just doing what they were told and felt no need to adhere to the opinion of what a 'moral code' was as they were not programmed to.

 

The Reapers weren't evil,they were a just highly advanced tools. They could have easily been programmed to do the opposite of what they did,and that's what the Illusive Man had in mind.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Their "justification" was relative to pleasing a being beyond them and who ultimately created and programmed them to do what they did. They where in the end machines and their morality would be based on their programming so relative to you,yes they are 'evil' but to them they where just doing what they were told and felt no need to adhere to the opinion of what a 'moral code' was as they were not programmed to.

 

The Reapers weren't evil,they were a just highly advanced tools. They could have easily been programmed to do the opposite of what they did,and that's what the Illusive Man had in mind.

We were never told who created them though. Bioware could care less if fans spent over $500 on the trilogy with all that DLC. We only had the god child tell us they were told to kill the universe off.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

Idunno about "most."  I wouldn't feel comfortable making a big sweeping generalization; it varies from game to game.

 

I don't consider Bowser from the Super Mario series to be evil.  He's obviously just sweet on Princess Peach (and possibly sexually frustrated), and the only way he knows how to express his affection for her is with a good ol' fashioned kidnapping. xD

 

I DO, however, consider Kefka from Final Fantasy VI to be an evil sonuva submariner.  It was all about him and his pursuit of personal power from the start; he didn't care who he used, hurt - or killed.  Didn't care one bit.  Often gave a creepy laugh afterwards.  Evil.

[Prince Doopliss 2,351]

Bowser in some games isn't really evil, just a jerk but some games he is. Then there is also the avericks from the Mega Man series. Really they are influence by some virus create by a evil scientist. Some of them thought it was just or just didn't know what the heck they doing. Heck Sigma wasn't really evil he just suffer really bad influence. Really sure he tried to take over the world, but like I said it nothing more than virus that controlled him.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,839]

We were never told who created them though. Bioware could care less if fans spent over $500 on the trilogy with all that DLC. We only had the god child tell us they were told to kill the universe off.

Oh i agree,the ending was less than satisfactory,but it still doesn't discount the fact the reapers where just 'advanced weaponry' and cannot be themselves considered evil. 

 

However the creator/programmer of said Reapers is the one who is in-fact evil.

[Deathstroke 1,564]

Well i can think of some: assassin creed one Robert de sable this guy was actually protecting the assassins from al-mualim 

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[Titan Rising 2,156]

Its been said before that its all about the perspective of the player, personally I don't think anyone is truly evil.  Although...  Ganondorf might come close

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[Invincible 2,092]

Depending on the game, setting, storyline, and character traits, there can be many reasons to why someone might seem as "evil", even though they may turn out to be simply misunderstood. More often than not, the more intricate villains tend to have reasonable motives to commit evil acts.

 

 

In Fallout, The Master tried to save the remnants of the human race by turning them all to the (supposedly) biologically superior super mutants (That's being misguided)

 

In Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations, Godot killed Misty Fey out of desperation, to protect Maya (That's not really evil considering the motive)

 

In Anachronox (if anyone here even played it... so underrated) - A race of aliens plotted to time travel before the big bang and erase our universe to destroy a rival race (That's evil.)

 

In the Megaman series, Dr. Wily keeps getting his plot for world domination foiled, begging for forgiveness, then doing it again the next game (That's evil... and insane!)

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

Its been said before that its all about the perspective of the player, personally I don't think anyone is truly evil.  Although...  Ganondorf might come close

Even though I too thought of Ganondorf as an example of an evil character, I found him to be unexpectedly sympathetic late in "Windwaker."

[Sanctified Absence 126]

I guess it depends on the goals rather than the means. Although there are exceptions to this I see evil as having harmful and overall malicious end goals, not necessarily the ways they reach them.

 

Sundowner from Metal Gear Rising is a good example of someone who is really evil, he enjoys war and death so he works them.

 

Xemnas from Kingdom Hearts is an example of the ones that could potentially be argued about. He was in the end working towards a mix of malicious and somewhat benevolent goal, although he went about it in an extremely evil way.

[GammaDove 428]

This is more of a moral question; it's basically trying to dictate a line between right and wrong, and in that regard is a very hazy line.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

The reapers are actually evil. They're "justification" of genocide was wrong. Genocide is murder period. Also Bioware never really went into full detail WHY species had to die over and over again. They did it just to do it. 

FALSE... the reapers harvest organic civilizations and their advancement kind of like the records of historians so that they are not lost in the conflict. Leviathan the species out of which the reapers were created said that they created the "Intelligence" to oversee the interactions between organics and synthetics. They deemed that the preservation of human and artificial life had to be done in reaper form. Thus they harvested advanced civilizations so that they wouldn't be lost in the "eternal" supposedly conflict of synthetics and organics.

 

May i add here that Mass Effect was originally suppsed to be about Dark Energy theory? http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-3/3030-29935/forums/mass-effect-3-turns-out-it-was-supposed-to-be-abou-540743/

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

FALSE... the reapers harvest organic civilizations and their advancement kind of like the records of historians so that they are not lost in the conflict. Leviathan the species out of which the reapers were created said that they created the "Intelligence" to oversee the interactions between organics and synthetics. They deemed that the preservation of human and artificial life had to be done in reaper form. Thus they harvested advanced civilizations so that they wouldn't be lost in the "eternal" supposedly conflict of synthetics and organics.

 

May i add here that Mass Effect was originally suppsed to be about Dark Energy theory? http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-3/3030-29935/forums/mass-effect-3-turns-out-it-was-supposed-to-be-abou-540743/

I played all three games more than once... more than three times actually. I never got that explanation in full detail. The god child never gave good reasons for slating away the universe of all advanced life. Also the reapers being created shows intelligent design. We have no idea who made the reapers. But who ever did, is cold and heartless and wants to turn life into machinery. 

[GammaDove 428]

@@TheMarkz0ne, 

What would have been a good reason for slating away with the universe??!

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

@@TheMarkz0ne, 

What would have been a good reason for slating away with the universe??!

No reason that's the point.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

 

 

We have no idea who made the reapers.

Then clearly you haven't played "Leviathan" DLC. WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD DO NOT WATCH UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBQHpYP8ivU