movies/tv Superman VS Twilight Sparkle

[Hive King 2,001]

You severely underestimate Discord. He is absolutely, 100 immune to physical damage. Tirek defeated him by stealing his magic, not through physical violence. Superman could punch Discord all he wanted, it wouldn't do a darn thing. Superman could defeat Discord, but definitely not through physical violence.

He has bodily systems as he can get sick. And even if he was immune to it, doesn't make him immune to pain, which he will be feeling. Alternatively, Superman lobotomizes him after finding his brain with X-Ray vision

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Discord once ripped out his own eyes, just for a prank. Not even a little pain. Sorry, but I just don't see physical violence working out in Superman's favor.

 

Aku from samurai jack also got sick once. Which dosen't make any scene at all, now that I think about it. 

[Fractured 2,684]

About the Discord vs Superman debate, Has Superman ever fought anyone omnipotent before? Contrary to popular belief, you CAN defeat an omnipotent being, given the right circumstances.    

Feats... what a character actually has done... determines how strong they are. What are the greatest things that Discord has actually done?

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

what a character actually has done... determines how strong they are.

Not necessarily. See here:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrcusOnHisThrone

[Hive King 2,001]

Not necessarily. See here:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrcusOnHisThrone

That relies on huge assumptions for his power. I can assume that love powered Chrysalis is as strong as Discord, he never displayed anything saying it wasn't true. I could say that Pound Cake can move faster than Rainbow Dash, nothing has contradicted this

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

Not necessarily. See here: http://tvtropes.org/...rcusOnHisThrone

I wan't talking about Discord. Just fictional characters in general. 

[Hive King 2,001]

I wan't talking about Discord. Just fictional characters in general. 

Even so, you need something at least to back them up. You can't just say "Oh, this character is a universe destroying badass, but was defeated because he had a hangover and was too prideful to fight before hand"

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Even so, you need something at least to back them up. You can't just say "Oh, this character is a universe destroying badass, but was defeated because he had a hangover and was too prideful to fight before hand"

Indeed. However, that doesn't stop writers from doing it, though. 

[Hive King 2,001]

Indeed. However, that doesn't stop writers from doing it, though. 

That's just lazy writing

[Fractured 2,684]

I wan't talking about Discord. Just fictional characters in general. 

Yes, and it's a competitive fallacy.

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold. For a gross example, observing that ashield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.

 

Or, in another sense:

The fallacy that because no upper limit has been observed on a character, one does not exist.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Shimmer5000

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

That's just lazy writing

Yes, yes it is. But it is writing none the less.

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

Can't it also mean stuff like someone saying

"I HAVE UNLIMITED POWER!" and then proceeding to be owned by the hero(more unlimited?) who is afraid of solar flares? 

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

The fallacy that because no upper limit has been observed on a character, one does not exist.

I'm not saying Discord's power has no upper limit, that would be silly. All I'm saying is that just because you haven't seen someone do something, it doesn't mean they can't do it.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Stormgiggle

[Fractured 2,684]

I'm not saying Discord's power has no upper limit, that would be silly. 

...

About the Discord vs Superman debate, Has Superman ever fought anyone omnipotent before? Contrary to popular belief, you CAN defeat an omnipotent being, given the right circumstances.    

Maybe you're just using the wrong word...

You severely underestimate Discord. He is absolutely, 100% ,immune to physical damage.

I shouldn't have to explain this one, though.

 

...Wasn't this a Twilight vs Superman argument?

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

Maybe you're just using the wrong word...

Nope. An Omnipotent being can be tricked. Omnipotent does not mean all-knowing. 

 

 

 

I shouldn't have to explain this one, though.

But he is immune to Physical damage! It's one of his major powers! He's called a spirit for crying out loud!

 

 

 

...Wasn't this a Twilight vs Superman argument?

You've got me there, though. 

[GreyScholar 1,584]

From Superpower Wiki: traits, abilities, and powers associated with Discord

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Chaos Manipulation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Manipulation

 

Chaos Embodiment - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Embodiment

 

Reality Warping - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Reality_Warping

 

Levitation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Levitation

 

Unpredictability - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Unpredictability

 

Paradox Manipulation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox_Manipulation

 

Chaos Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Inducement

 

Discord Manipulation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Discord_Manipulation

 

4th Wall Awareness - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/4th_Wall_Awareness

 

Reality Restoration - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Reality_Restoration

 

Mind Control - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_Control

 

Discord Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Discord_Inducement

 

Time Travel - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Travel

 

Paradox Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox_Inducement

 

Treachery Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Treachery_Inducement

 

Teleportation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation

 

Corruption Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Corruption_Inducement

 

Chaos Magic - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Magic

 

Size Manipulation - 

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Size_Manipulation

 

Labyrinth Creation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Labyrinth_Creation

 

Hybrid Physiology - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid_Physiology

 

Personality Alteration - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Personality_Alteration

 

Replication - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Replication

 

Impossibility Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Impossibility_Inducement 

 

[Fractured 2,684]

From Superpower Wiki: traits, abilities, and powers associated with Discord

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Chaos Manipulation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Manipulation

 

Chaos Embodiment - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Embodiment

 

Reality Warping - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Reality_Warping

 

Levitation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Levitation

 

Unpredictability - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Unpredictability

 

Paradox Manipulation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox_Manipulation

 

Chaos Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Inducement

 

Discord Manipulation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Discord_Manipulation

 

4th Wall Awareness - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/4th_Wall_Awareness

 

Reality Restoration - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Reality_Restoration

 

Mind Control - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_Control

 

Discord Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Discord_Inducement

 

Time Travel - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Travel

 

Paradox Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox_Inducement

 

Treachery Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Treachery_Inducement

 

Teleportation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation

 

Corruption Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Corruption_Inducement

 

Chaos Magic - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Magic

 

Size Manipulation - 

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Size_Manipulation

 

Labyrinth Creation - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Labyrinth_Creation

 

Hybrid Physiology - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid_Physiology

 

Personality Alteration - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Personality_Alteration

 

Replication - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Replication

 

Impossibility Inducement - http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Impossibility_Inducement 

 

If we're going to do this, it should be on a different thread... I think we've derailed this one enough.

[Hive King 2,001]

@,@@EquestrianScholar, @,

Ladies, ladies. I made a thread for your purposes

http://mlpforums.com/topic/114879-discord-omnipotent/ 

 

Also, wikis aren't reliable. I could go onto Pinkie Pie's and say "She's so awesome, she can warp the multiverse"

Edited November 17, 2014 by Hive King

[GreyScholar 1,584]

Fair enough, reposted last post onto new thread

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I will add though that since this is only a VS between Twilight and Superman... there is little point to this thread because if not even the Celestial Sisters or Discord have a chance of defeating Superman, then Twilight would have next to nothing on the Man of Steel.

 

 

A battle would be a Curb Stop Battle, with Superman having all the best cards on his side of the table... in a manner of speaking. The battle is unfair and frustratingly one side, with no real discussion. Superman wins, Twilight sadly loses.

Edited November 17, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Scootaloo9074090 501]

On 2014-10-01 at 5:39 PM, Geek0zoid said:

Can I also say that Superman's weakness being magic as well as kryponite is complete bullshit?
It sounds like they added that in just because...

Or was that in an actual Superman comic/movie/show?

 Twilight Sparkles would be beat superman because she is Batmare

with all of the ALicorn Magic in her or maybe Both superman and Twilight Sparkles would work together 

 

 

• Magic: Being an alicorn, Twilight have access to magic. Her alicorn magic makes her already powerful unicorn more powerful. Due to this, she have access to the following powers:
  • Levitation: Twilight can self-levitate using her own telekinesis.
  • Gravity Alteration: Twilight can use a "gravity spell" to change the direction of a gravitational field within a certain area.
  • Magic Beam Emission: She can shoot concussive blasts from her horn.
  • Force-Field: Twilight can create a force-field to protect herself and/or others.
  • Teleportation: Twilight possesses the ability to teleport herself and others.
  • Telekinesis: Twilight's horn usually glows white or a faint shade of purple, and objects assume a glow of white, purple, or magenta; when she affects multiple objects at once, several other colors are used as well, allow her to manipulate them.
  • Transmutation: Twilight is capable of transforming anyone or anything into a different form, object, or species entirely, and can revert them back to their original form if she chooses to. This includes a wide-variety of plants, fruits, inanimate objects, a small flying creature called a Breezy, or even a vampire pony. (In regards to the latter two, she has additionally demonstrated that she can use another species in the area as a template for transformation.) She once transmuted an apple into a nest of bird eggs, one of whom hatched instantly.
  • Thought Manipulation: Twilight Sparkle was able to use a spell to stop the Parasprites from eating food, as well as a spell to stop the Vampire Fruit Bats from sucking the juice from the apples.
  • Animation: Twilight Sparkle can use a "come to life" to make objects come to life.
  • Dowsing: Twilight Sparkle can use a spell to sense and find gems just like Rarity.
  • Repairing:
  • Phasing: Can phase herself and other objects at will.
  • Summoning: In Magic Duel, Twilight Sparkle used a spell to summon a Parasprite.
  • Wind Manipulation: Twilight Sparkle can generate and control wind
  • Plant Manipulation: Twilight Sparkle can manipulate and accelerate the growth of plants
  • Heat Generation: Twilight Sparkle can generate amount heat to melt snow.
  • Water Manipulation: In Magic Duel, Twilight Sparkle can a spell to manipulate water by forming water spheres.
  • Smoke Generation: Twilight Sparkle can amount of smoke.
  • Immobilization: Twilight Sparkle can use a spell to freeze thing in place.
  • Transformation Inducement: Twilight Sparkle use a spell to turn her and her friends into Breezies.
  • Illusions:
  • Pyrokinesis: Can light objects on fire as long as she can see what to use it on.
  • Cyrokinesis: Can produce ice
  • Light Generation: Twilight Sparkle can use her horn to create amount light.
  • Object Creation:
  • Want-It, Need-It Spell: Twilight Sparkle can use a spell to enhance a object which will make ponies fall in love with it once seen it.
  • Book Jumping: Twilight Sparkle can enter books.
  • Voice Manipulation: Twilight Sparkle can cast a spell to make her voice echo which will ponies to heard her from far distances
  • Brainwashing: Can reprogram another's brain to do something elese, like when she changed an entire species dietary nature.
  • Audio Recording: Twilight Sparkle can use a spell to record things and playback them as images.
  • Camouflage: The "Don't-Notice-Me-Field" changes the user's appearance to blend in with the environment. The closer you get to a viewer, however, the less effective it is.
  • Crystal Imprisonment: Like Starlight Glimmer, Twilight Sparkle can trap a target in a crystal.
  • Dark Magic:
  • Time Travel: Can travel through time, but can only stay in that moment of time for about a minute or so.
  • Speed Enhancement: Twilight can magically accelerate her own speed that allows her to fly at far faster speeds. The shock wave produced has a strong enough push to knock someone off their feet.
  • Cloning/Duplication
  • Magic Disabling: Can disable someones magic for a short amount of time
  • Weather Manipulation: As she is an alicorn, Twilight is technically capable of manipulating the weather the same way a pegasus like Rainbow Dash can. This includes using clouds to create rain, strike lightning, making tornadoes, etc
  • Magic Absorption: Twilight is able to absorb magic from any supernatural source. Twilight is able to sense what kind of magic it is, even tracing it back to those involved with its creation (including high-level magic users such as Celestia and Nightmare Moon). If the target is full of a considerably massive amount of magic, Twilight will still be able to absorb a lot but not too much of the energy. She also cannot destroy this energy, but she could transform it into a different kind of energy. The pony can also transfer it to another individual as a form of effect stacking, increasing their strength/attack potency.
  • Object Possession/Surveillance Communication: While apparently still in Ponyville, Twilight used a spell to see and communicate with Starlight Glimmer in Canterlot in the form of a music box ballerina.
  • Mind Delving: With the Magical Mindscape Manifestation spell, Twilight can enter the mind of a subject. The resulting mindscape reflects a person’s life and personality and even contains beings that reflect a person’s multiple moods and “sides” of themselves.
  • Mind Melding: A spell that combines the consciousness of a subject into the caster's own body. This allows both beings to act as one in this single body and utilize their now shared abilities, or even allow one being to act while the other focuses on other matters during the situation. The two beings can even communicate with each other through their consciousness, allowing for silent strategy.
  • Traumalocation: A form of locality tracking. When cast on someone who has recently been the victim of some form of attack, Twilight can use this spell to locate and view the person or persons who committed the act.
  • Cloudwalking: Twilight can cast a spell that allows the user or target to walk on clouds, an ability that only comes naturally to winged creatures such as pegasi or alicorn ponies. As Twilight is now an alicorn, she no longer needs to use this spell on herself, though she could still use it on others in any case.
  • Wing Generation: Twilight can grant a target a pair of butterfly-like wings for flight, made from gossamer & morning dew. As a bonus, the target is given the ability to walk on clouds. The individual using the wings must be cautious, as they dissolve when closely exposed to sunlight rays for a brief period of time. As Twilight is now an alicorn, she no longer has a need for this spell, though she could still use it on others in any case.
  • Gill Generation: Twilight can grant herself or others gills, allowing the targets to breathe underwater and swim faster.
  • Fail-Safe Spell: A spell intended to return any abnormalities in the general area to normal. It doesn’t work when trying to clear magic by stronger casters.
  • Mustache Spell: Grants the user or target facial hair.
  • Zipper Generation: Twilight can generate zippers on any surface, perfect for turning a target’s mouth into a shut zipper. Would likely come in handy as either a distraction or to silence someone, especially if the user relies on incantations.
  • Dissolving Magic: Twilight can dissolve objects.
  • Size Manipulation: A spell Twilight witnessed Starlight perform. With it, she can manipulate the size of herself or other targets to take on larger opponents. This also increases the targets' strength accordingly.
  • Effect Stacking: Twilight can use an incantation to focus the magic within herself and her allies. Doing this blends and equalizes the combined strength and attack potency of Twilight and whomever is fighting alongside her all within themselves.
  • Mental Projection: Twilight can magically project perfectly life-like mental images and animated simulations of whatever happens to be on her mind, allowing her to display many potential outcomes of a particular scenario. These simulations are so realistic, she herself almost assumed that a visualization of Starlight falling into a black hole was real.
  • Memory Restoration: Twilight can restore the memories of those whose memories have been altered or erased.
  • Object Repairing: Twilight can use magic to repair objects, such as a broken dam.
• Wings: Since she is now an alicorn, she have wings to fly. Even though she struggled to use them at first, she got some flying lessons from Rainbow Dash and can fly fine now.

[Sonic Shimmer 4,132]

As much as I love Twilight, she would get wrecked in less than a second. Yeah, Superman has a weakness to magic but he'd destroy her before she even has time to use it.

[Clawdeen 14,918]

I mean. If twilight has enough time to use her magic before Superman pummels her I could see her standing a chance.

[Dreambiscuit 9,961]

It would be a draw because neither would fight the other. They’re both on the same team fighting for truth, justice and the American Equestrian way.