Bull Fighting. Your opinion?

[Purged Account 57]

What is your opinion on bullfighting? Do you like it? Do you hate it? What?

Edited April 4, 2018 by Purged Account

[Mr. Wobbels 664]

Bullfighting is illegal in all of the countries that I've been to or ever plan on going to, so it doesn't really matter to me. I guess it's also a cultural thing in the countries with it, so I can't really say that it should be illegal there.

 

Bee tee dub: There should be an "Indifferent" option.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Leon Trotsky

[Moosefullaeggs 543]

I've watched a few bull fights and I, for one, enjoy it.

 

 

 

Bull fighting is not harming the population of cattal in any significant manner and has been one of the staple sports of Spain for hundereds of years.

 

My Opinion:

I think bull Fighting is something that should stop now. Its animal cruelty! I mean, it was fine back then, but now... Bull Fighting isn't a nice thing to watch nor to do. I myself signed a petition to stop bull fighting. Bull Fighting may be tradition in some countries, but it is wrong.

 

Your argument is: "It's wrong," "It's not nice"," and "But now..."

 

I don't agree with said argument; care to elaborate?

[Jokuc 8,173]

I've never watched it. Well.. Only this:

[Page.Turner 940]

As an "official" member of PETA (since I was 8years old, I signed up... still get letters and stickers) I find Bull Fighting to be highly cruel.

 

Examples of why it's cruel:

• The tie a very tight rope around the bull's testicals in order to make it to into rage
• They tease and torture the bull so it recognizes matadors
• They VERY slowly kill the bull by stabbing it over and over with a sword
• They allow the bull to suffer and die slowly.

Bull fighting is not harming the population of cattal in any significant manner and has been one of the staple sports of Spain for hundereds of years.

Yes, it does not harm the population of bull or cattle in the world, but that doesn't mean it's not WRONG. Gladiator battles in ancient Rome did not harm the population of humans on Earth and it forced men to fight to the death, but would you see that happening now? Under any government, would you think anyone would allow meaningless death to happen?

 

I can understand if they just took the bull down, like cattle roping, but they have to kill it. Slowly and painfully while it's already in pain.

[Purged Account 57]

 

On 15/04/2012 at 3:33 PM, 'moosefullaeggs' said:

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Purged Account

[Moosefullaeggs 543]

Bullfighting is an outmoded and barbaric form of "entertainment" that has no place in our modern society and needs to be stopped.

 

Several things are old-fashioned, but they have no need to be stopped; I don't see how that adjective can be properly used in this context.

 

It's as savage as hunting for sport (and with that, it's as savage as hunting for sustenance); As long as it isn't severly affecting an ecosystem, I see no need to stop it.

Edited April 15, 2012 by moosefullaeggs

[Gingerpotato 889]

Several things are old-fashioned, but they have no need to be stopped; I don't see how that adjective can be properly used in this context.

 

It's as savage as hunting for sport (and with that, it's as savage as hunting for sustenance); As long as it isn't severly affecting an ecosystem, I see no need to stop it.

 

This, my dear Salad Finger'd friend is where we differ quite drastically.

 

I see the abuse and slaughter of animals for amusement just wrong. Why do some glorify in the pain and death of an animal? Killing for food I can understand just plainly on the fact that I cannot live without bacon and also it benefits us in a very useful way, keeping us strong and what-not. However, bull fighting is not needed. What does it bring to our lovely civilization other then crowds of people baying for the blood of an animal. It does not affect the eco-system to kill a bull in this way, nor would it affect the eco-system for me to walk outside and shoot a human. These two things are so different and yet linked together, both not harming the eco-system in any massive way but both committing a horrible crime in my eyes. How would you feel if you were brought out in to a stadium of people and made to "fight", if that is what you would classify Bull Fighting as. It is not a fight between man and bull as the bull dies whatever happens, if the bull were to spear the fighter then the bull would immediately be put down. Where is the honour and glory in a fight that can only be won?

 

In my opinion, it is sick and completely ridiculous. Hell, I wouldn't give a damn if the bull fighter were to die fighting the bull for all is fair in that situation but the fact that even though the bull has been captured, forced to fight, beaten the fighter and then been shot for being too good a sport just appears so utterly wrong.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Gingerpotato

[Tenor Clef 112]

I mean, it's not cool that they kill stuff for fun, but if that's someones calling, I'm not stopping them. I think it was Moosefullaeggs that said it's just like killing for sport. I agree with that. Essentially, fishing is stabbing a fish through the jaw with a metal object, suffocating it, and provided they are still alive when you get back to the docks, fileting them alive. I'm not supporting the killing of anything, but I they REALLY want to, I guess I'd have to let them do them.

Conclusion: I feel like I use too many commas in my sentences.

Tl:Dr it's not cool, but by that logic, neither is fishing.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Dusk Moon

[Fox 5,330]

I think it's horrible when they anger the bulls before their put out. I don't think it'll be stopped because it's traditional to some, but I don't really like how they treat the bulls.

[Aureity 3,055]

Killing an animal for sport is just a waste.

At the very least, after they kill the bull, they should eat it...

[Moosefullaeggs 543]

This, my dear Salad Finger'd friend is where we differ quite drastically.

 

I see the abuse and slaughter of animals for amusement just wrong. Why do some glorify in the pain and death of an animal? Killing for food I can understand just plainly on the fact that I cannot live without bacon and also it benefits us in a very useful way, keeping us strong and what-not. However, bull fighting is not needed. What does it bring to our lovely civilization other then crowds of people baying for the blood of an animal. It does not affect the eco-system to kill a bull in this way, nor would it affect the eco-system for me to walk outside and shoot a human. These two things are so different and yet linked together, both not harming the eco-system in any massive way but both committing a horrible crime in my eyes. How would you feel if you were brought out in to a stadium of people and made to "fight", if that is what you would classify Bull Fighting as. It is not a fight between man and bull as the bull dies whatever happens, if the bull were to spear the fighter then the bull would immediately be put down. Where is the honour and glory in a fight that can only be won?

 

1.) It's a form of entertainment; technically, no form of entertainment is needed. On that note, they should remove Salad Fingers; seeing as it can harm the human psyche.

 

2.) Oh boy, "humans are no different than animals": There is an obvious difference between lesser animals and humans: Humans have a moral standard; so, you know, we can't go about killing each other in the majority of cultures.

 

-If you're speaking of some alternate reality, then be my guest; I would love to hear about dolphins taking over the human race and pitting us against each other for sport. The only reason I would enjoy hearing this is because I would mark it off for what it is: it's an alternate reality; it's never going to happen.

 

IC: I'm a socially unacceptable nutcase because I have a slacked standard on treatment of feral animals and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Gingerpotato 889]

1.) It's a form of entertainment; technically, no form of entertainment is needed. On that note, they should remove Salad Fingers; seeing as it can harm the human psyche.

 

2.) Oh boy, "humans are no different than animals": There is an obvious difference between lesser animals and humans: Humans have a moral standard; so, you know, we can't go about killing each other in the majority of cultures.

 

-If you're speaking of some alternate reality, then be my guest; I would love to hear about dolphins taking over the human race and pitting us against each other for sport. The only reason I would enjoy hearing this is because I would mark it off for what it is: it's an alternate reality; it's never going to happen.

 

IC: I'm a socially unacceptable nutcase because I have a slacked standard on treatment of feral animals and doesn't afraid of anything.

 

1) Its a form of entrainment but why? Why do people find it so much fun to watch a bull bleed to death under the spears of the fighter? How is it a form of entertainment when the outcome is always going to be the same, the bull dies and the crowd goes wild. All, of course, in my own opinion. I just feel that entertain should not be taken from the slaughter of an animal and whilst nearly all forms of entertainment are repetitive, this has no possible other outcome then the slaughter of the bull. Salad Fingers=mentally degrading, Bull fighting=Helpless slaughter of an animal. There is a fine difference between these forms of entertainment.

 

2) We have a higher moral standard, therefore we are allowed to take an animal from its home and force it to fight? That doesn't sound fair, we are more sentient and therefore we can do whatever the hell we want to creatures who are below us. Where is the higher moral ground in that? Bulls fight with each other over food and mating, we make bulls fight for our sheer amusement. We have been gifted with a higher moral standard so why do we abuse it by forcing animals to fight for us. Lets imagine, bare with me, that there is a higher force then us, commanding us to fight each other for their entertainment. Would you still feel the same way about bull fighting as you do now if we were placed in that situation? Would you still feel it acceptable to terrify and kill an animal for fun when the same thing is happening to us? Of course, you are right and it is never going to happen but to place one-self into the..shoes of the bull and see it from their eyes and their view, being bewildered, terrified and forced to fight for your life and still to say that there is nothing wrong with bull fighting would seem peculiar to me.

 

Simpsons halloween episode right there, ah the days of my youth, frantically watching every Simpsons episode I could find until I had nearly memorized all episodes.

 

IC: I am an animal loving weirdo who sees the abuse and harsh treatment of bull fighting as wrong and morally degrading whilst enjoying knitting and long walks on the beach with my pet snake. Ah yes, for a final note there are probably going to be a large amount of spelling/punctuation errors in this post but I do not have the time to go through it..Well, when I say I do not have the time I mean I am an incompetent, lazy baboon of a man who wishes not to proof-read.

[Moosefullaeggs 543]

Lets imagine, bare with me, that there is a higher force then us, commanding us to fight each other for their entertainment. Would you still feel the same way about bull fighting as you do now if we were placed in that situation?

 

-If you're speaking of some alternate reality, then be my guest; I would love to hear about dolphins taking over the human race and pitting us against each other for sport. The only reason I would enjoy hearing this is because I would mark it off for what it is: it's an alternate reality; it's never going to happen.

 

 

1) Its a form of entrainment but why? Why do people find it so much fun to watch a bull bleed to death under the spears of the fighter? How is it a form of entertainment when the outcome is always going to be the same, the bull dies and the crowd goes wild. All, of course, in my own opinion. I just feel that entertain should not be taken from the slaughter of an animal and whilst nearly all forms of entertainment are repetitive, this has no possible other outcome then the slaughter of the bull. Salad Fingers=mentally degrading, Bull fighting=Helpless slaughter of an animal. There is a fine difference between these forms of entertainment.

 

That IS entertainment! All, of course, in my opinion~

 

Simpsons halloween episode right there, ah the days of my youth, frantically watching every Simpsons episode I could find until I had nearly memorized all episodes.

 

I was hoping you would catch on!

 

IC: I am an animal loving weirdo who sees the abuse and harsh treatment of bull fighting as wrong and morally degrading whilst enjoying knitting and long walks on the beach with my pet snake. Ah yes, for a final note there are probably going to be a large amount of spelling/punctuation errors in this post but I do not have the time to go through it..Well, when I say I do not have the time I mean I am an incompetent, lazy baboon of a man who wishes not to proof-read.

 

"...Then the animal loving weirdo and the socially unacceptable nutcase became bestest friends; the end."

[Strafe 594]

Not only is bull fighting extremely cruel but it's just a boring sport to begin with.

[Mephala 2,633]

Violent and pointless "sport". I think it's absolutely retarded, "tradition" or not.

[Scootaloo Is Best Filly 578]

I personally can't stand it. I have seen a few rodeos though. Those are like the only things bull related that I like. To me there is no real difference between Bull Fighting and those stupid owners who breed their dogs to Fight to the death. Personally dog fighting makes me sick to my stomach.

[Lady Rarity Pony 4,892]

I prefer the non-lethal variants of bull fighting.

 

It's a nice cultural sport but killing the bull at the end seems pretty sadistic.

[M14Brony 92]

Bullfighting is illegal in all of the countries that I've been to or ever plan on going to, so it doesn't really matter to me. I guess it's also a cultural thing in the countries with it, so I can't really say that it should be illegal there.

 

Bee tee dub: There should be an "Indifferent" option.

 

I do not think that bull fighting serves any useful purpose, and even though I am anything but a die-hard animals rights activist, I believe that bull fighting is an ancient, barbaric "sport" that has survived into parts of the world in the 21st Century.

 

Furthermore, I am not a cultural relativist, and I do not think we should allow certain things to happen just because they are a part of a different culture. For instance, some could say that female circumcision is a cultural thing, but that does not stop me from believing that it should be banned around the globe. Physical punishment that would be considered child abuse over here in the West is also popular and legal throughout Africa and Asia, and even though this barbarism is of a different culture, I still firmly believe that this filth should be abolished (hell, I think that all corporal punishment should be banned around the world).

 

The point is for society to evolve and take what is useful from various cultures while discarding what is injurious from other cultures. We should not blindly tolerate barbarism due to it being a part of a different culture.

 

Violent and pointless "sport". I think it's absolutely retarded, "tradition" or not.

Eeyup. Appeal to tradition is also a logical fallacy, so that closes off such a method of argument for apologists for bull fighting.

Edited April 16, 2012 by M14Brony

[Mr. Wobbels 664]

I do not think that bull fighting serves any useful purpose, and even though I am anything but a die-hard animals rights activist, I believe that bull fighting is an ancient, barbaric "sport" that has survived into parts of the world in the 21st Century.

 

Furthermore, I am not a cultural relativist, and I do not think we should allow certain things to happen just because they are a part of a different culture. For instance, some could say that female circumcision is a cultural thing, but that does not stop me from believing that it should be banned around the globe. Physical punishment that would be considered child abuse over here in the West is also popular and legal throughout Africa and Asia, and even though this barbarism is of a different culture, I still firmly believe that this filth should be abolished (hell, I think that all corporal punishment should be banned around the world).

 

Well that's where we differ. I've never really been a fan of cultural imperialism, and never have the people that have it forced on them, but comparing female circumcision to bullfighting or any other sport related is a bit odd because of the moral relativity of the two acts. I'd say that, if anything, female circumcision is a much deeper moral, ethical, and social issue than bull fighting and obviously needs to be worked out, but the issue still remains that we're not talking about a human rights issue in this thread.

 

I'd like to keep human rights out of this discussion and focus on bullfighting. I don't even care that it's tradition. Tradition isn't the problem. The problem is that you don't live in the countries that it's illegal in because you have no say in their public matters and the people that do have a say in the politics of those countries most likely are not opposed to bullfighting. The only way that you could do anything about it is by taking over the country, and that seems a bit extreme in the case of bullfighting. In any case, are our own problems so trite that we need to figure out how to fix what we see as "problems" in other countries? Our government seems to think so about many things...

 

Arguments based off of personal morals are also fallacious, so don't think that I'm gonna let you off on that one.

[M14Brony 92]

Well that's where we differ. I've never really been a fan of cultural imperialism, and never have the people that have it forced on them, but comparing female circumcision to bullfighting or any other sport related is a bit odd because of the moral relativity of the two acts. I'd say that, if anything, female circumcision is a much deeper moral, ethical, and social issue than bull fighting and obviously needs to be worked out, but the issue still remains that we're not talking about a human rights issue in this thread.

You are overlooking the fact that the logic you are using dictates that we should turn a blind eye to female circumcision, as such things are from countries where we do not reside. Futhermore, the "theory" of cultural imperialism is ultimately reactionary, as I am sure that some liberal types would love to complain about "cultural imperialism" if a socialist revolution spread across national borders and say, increased the rights of women in some countries where they do not have so many rights.

 

And if you state that female circumcision "needs to be worked out," are you not making a concession to "cultural imperialism" by your very own logic?

 

I'd like to keep human rights out of this discussion and focus on bullfighting. I don't even care that it's tradition. Tradition isn't the problem. The problem is that you don't live in the countries that it's illegal in because you have no say in their public matters and the people that do have a say in the politics of those countries most likely are not opposed to bullfighting. The only way that you could do anything about it is by taking over the country, and that seems a bit extreme in the case of bullfighting. In any case, are our own problems so trite that we need to figure out how to fix what we see as "problems" in other countries? Our government seems to think so about many things...

Again, I was pointing out the logical conclusions of your stance, which ultimately turns a blind eye to the plight of people in other countries. Furthermore, no Marxist would consider a bourgeois government to be "our" government.

 

To state that one must either invade a backward country or let barbarism run rampant is a false dichotomy fallacy.

 

Arguments based off of personal morals are also fallacious, so don't think that I'm gonna let you off on that one.

 

My opposition to barbarism in other nations does not stem from mere personal morals - it stems from scientific analyses, liberation of women (a part and parcel of workers' liberation, as workers cannot be liberated if roughly half of them are treated as second-class citizens), etc. Futhermore, cultural changes do have a tendency to spread, as bull fighting has been outlawed in given parts of the world (I think it was outlawed in some part of Spain awhile back, but I do not remember where this happened off the top of my head). Hopefully such things continue to spread.

Edited April 16, 2012 by M14Brony

[Starswirl the Trixie 975]

When I hear the "humans are superior to animals" argument, it is usually followed by the claim that this is simply because animals cannot comprehend morality. I have a problem with this argument.

 

Studies (especially those by Dutch scientist Frans de Waal) have clearly shown the existence of altruism in other primates, albeit at a more crude form. Higher level brain functioning, as well as a species having long term social groups, determines these moral inclinations.

 

Therefore, if we simply define superiority as the ability to comprehend morality, we reduce worth to an IQ score, the ultimate expression of social Darwinism. This would mean that people with some mental disabilities could not actually be considered people.

 

In short: Bad separation line between animals/man, think of another one.

 

And my apologies for typos; I wrote that on a cell phone.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Starswirl the goateed

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

Bull fighting is a horrific thing that should be stopped. I'm not a member of PETA, and I'm not a vegetarian. It's just simply sick and cruel to torment an animal to death in front of a huge screaming crowd.

 

I'm about to stir the pot now with an argument I often have with my father. Boxing should be stopped too. How can anyone enjoy seeing two men batter each other senseless while people makes bets on who will still be standing at the end of the fight? Hasn't the human race evolved past blood sport yet?

[M14Brony 92]

Bull fighting is a horrific thing that should be stopped. I'm not a member of PETA, and I'm not a vegetarian. It's just simply sick and cruel to torment an animal to death in front of a huge screaming crowd.

I honestly don't see how bull fighting is really any different than cockfighting, which is also looked down upon for the reasons you mentioned.

 

I'm about to stir the pot now with an argument I often have with my father. Boxing should be stopped too. How can anyone enjoy seeing two men batter each other senseless while people makes bets on who will still be standing at the end of the fight? Hasn't the human race evolved past blood sport yet?

 

I agree with you here as well, and I honestly believe that boxing, UFC, etc. are nothing more than watered down forms of the gladiatorial combat that ran rampant in ancient Rome. It is one thing to use safety equipment in martial arts classes and practice one's skills. It is quite another thing to beat somepony to a pulp for the amusement of a crowd.

Edited April 16, 2012 by M14Brony

[SrFrog 927]

I always found Bullfighting to be an acquired taste, can't immediately get rid of it due to cultural bias and it's not like the animal goes down in an undignified manner as many do in the slaughter houses. Least some are able to do down in a blaze of glory