Bull Fighting. Your opinion?

[Starshine 16,330]

Mmkay...

 

Let's just be honest, what's the main difference with this:

 

and this:

 

Both of those things kill the animal, painfully. Some slaughterhouse sedates the cow, and some of the bullfighter kills their opponent with a swift blow. But most of the slaughterhouse skins the cows alive, and almost every bullrings(?) tease the bull with lots of decorated spears, often denying them the quick getaway.

 

Oh. Just because we actually get our food from one of them, only that one is acceptable?

 

Most of people despise the bullfight because they don't like what they see and they claim it's a cruelty to the bulls.

But in the slaughterhouse lies much more pains for them, yet it's hard to say that it was a cruelty. Them being skinned and gutted alive is no big deal for us, as long as we don't know a dime about it.

 

So, why bother with the bullfighting?

[M14Brony 92]

Mmkay...

 

Let's just be honest, what's the main difference with this:

 

and this:

 

Both of those things kill the animal, painfully. Some slaughterhouse sedates the cow, and some of the bullfighter kills their opponent with a swift blow. But most of the slaughterhouse skins the cows alive, and almost every bullrings(?) tease the bull with lots of decorated spears, often denying them the quick getaway.

 

Oh. Just because we actually get our food from one of them, only that one is acceptable?

 

Most of people despise the bullfight because they don't like what they see and they claim it's a cruelty to the bulls.

But in the slaughterhouse lies much more pains for them, yet it's hard to say that it was a cruelty. Them being skinned and gutted alive is no big deal for us, as long as we don't know a dime about it.

 

So, why bother with the bullfighting?

 

The latter serves a productive purpose. Furthermore, medical science is largely predicated on animal testing, and it is impossible to deny the benefits of this. Bull fighting does not serve such a productive purpose, so I don't see the point in utilizing such painful methods in that case.

[Mr. Wobbels 664]

You are overlooking the fact that the logic you are using dictates that we should turn a blind eye to female circumcision, as such things are from countries where we do not reside. Futhermore, the "theory" of cultural imperialism is ultimately reactionary, as I am sure that some liberal types would love to complain about "cultural imperialism" if a socialist revolution spread across national borders and say, increased the rights of women in some countries where they do not have so many rights.

 

You're correct, the same logic applied to that instance would lead to that stance, but I wasn't taking that stance on the subject.

 

And if you state that female circumcision "needs to be worked out," are you not making a concession to "cultural imperialism" by your very own logic?

 

Personally, I don't think that ending widespread human rights violations is cultural imperialism, but that's my opinion. Under your opinion I suppose it would be.

 

Furthermore, no Marxist would consider a bourgeois government to be "our" government.

 

I didn't really feel like typing out "the bourgeois dictatorship that is the government of the United States."

 

 

My opposition to barbarism in other nations does not stem from mere personal morals - it stems from scientific analyses, liberation of women (a part and parcel of workers' liberation, as workers cannot be liberated if roughly half of them are treated as second-class citizens), etc.

 

I don't really care about bullfighting, therefore I'm a male chauvinist.

[TwiForLife 87]

I'm just more concerned for the people who decide to do such a thing...I've seen some of the accidents...*shudders*

[Tenshinohana 264]

I'm kinda torn between two. There's always the aspect of it being a tradition... But is it worth torturing animals and humans?

[M14Brony 92]

You're correct, the same logic applied to that instance would lead to that stance, but I wasn't taking that stance on the subject.

If that is the case, shouldn't you take a more logically consistent stance to begin with?

 

Personally, I don't think that ending widespread human rights violations is cultural imperialism, but that's my opinion. Under your opinion I suppose it would be.

But such a thing is would be "interfering with other nations," which by your logic, would be as such.

 

I didn't really feel like typing out "the bourgeois dictatorship that is the government of the United States."

Then use quotation marks, i.e. "our" government, silly.

 

I don't really care about bullfighting, therefore I'm a male chauvinist.

 

I was referring to general stances (barbarism) on various issues that some would claim to be "cultural imperialism." This is a straw man fallacy, as I never stated that indifference to bull fighting was tantamount to male chauvinism.

[Jokuc 8,172]

Just a little question, what is

"anyone who participates in it or even watches it should burn in hell!"

"Haters should die!"

 

good for?

[Mr. Wobbels 664]

If that is the case, shouldn't you take a more logically consistent stance to begin with?

 

No.

 

But such a thing is would be "interfering with other nations," which by your logic, would be as such.

 

Right, but it is ethically justifiable, whereas, in my opinion, bullfighting isn't.

 

Then use quotation marks, i.e. "our" government, silly.

 

I like being subtle.

 

I was referring to general stances (barbarism) on various issues that some would claim to be "cultural imperialism." This is a straw man fallacy, as I never stated that indifference to bull fighting was tantamount to male chauvinism.

 

I was the one thinking that your argument was a straw man argument. That's sorta what I was pointing out.

[Princess Ariona 402]

I hate and can't tolerate anything what has to do with killing or hurting animals. Bull fighting? I only enjoy it when instead of a bull, a human gets all the injures.

[roomforapony 285]

I think it's abuse, but then again I eat meat, so I don't know if I really have the authority to say it's cruel. The only difference between me partaking in eating meat and bullfighting is the fact that I don't see what happens to the animals I eat. I'll say I'm indifferent on it.

[PeachPalette 1,000]

I, personally, do not agree with any sport that shows cruelty and torture towards animals.

 

The death of any animal should be quick and for food AND hide. Never waste what nature has blessed you with!

[Java Jive 440]

Strongly against it, i'd celebrate if they would get rid of this, still much too slow at the current rate in my opinion, it's forbidden (just recently) in Catalonia, i guess thats a start. Its part of culture? Keeping an "tradition" just because "Its been that way for a long time" is no reason to not stop in your tracks and atleast think about how senseless it all is. Even the non-lethal kind, i'm not sure what kind of fun people can derive from deliberately angering an animal into attacking.

 

The big difference from slaughterhouses, is that bullfighting is more or less an attraction, a legalized & violent form of entertainment where the gruesome death of animals is welcomed. On an other subject, hunting for pleasure gets my blood boiling. If the roles were reversed, i'd doubt us humans would enjoy that. Maybe my opinion on this is really simple, but i think that humanity could and should be above condoning such pointless violence. That is just how i feel about it. I'm sure there are a lot of similiar things happening, but on the subject of bullfighting, i'm just plainly disgusted by its existence.

[Purged Account 57]

On 16/04/2012 at 7:17 PM, 'Jokuc' said:

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Purged Account

['Rainbow Dash' 16]

Bullfighting is cruel. I agree 100%.

[Purged Account 57]

 

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A trumpet signals the final “act” — in fact, during the whole nightmare, strange, slow tunes are played throughout. It is, of course, during the final act that the bull is killed (and hopefully goes onto a better life). The kill should last 6 minutes, and is done by the main matador. If he has any difficulties (which is an extremely rare occurrence), the others immediately rush in to his aid and finish off the bull.The matador is supposed to sever the artery near the heart with one thrust of the sword — in fact, this never happens. It often takes 2-3 times before the creature is mercifully released by death. By this time, the bull’s lungs and heart will be punctured and he always vomits blood. Miraculously, he sometimes attempts to rise again, and gets up on his knees, only to receive further mutilation at the hands of his tormentors. He finally gives up, goes to his knees and lies down. Even then, he is not allowed a little dignity to leave this world in peace, his ears and tail are cut off (often when he is fully conscious), and his broken, bleeding body is dragged around the ring by mules, to which he is attached by an apparatus made of wood and chains. Not content with his suffering, which must be too horrible to describe by words, the crowds boo and jeer him. They even throw empty beer cans at him. His body is then taken away to be skinned, and even then he may not be dead when this happens.

 

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They give the bull's meat to the poor

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[Evilshy 5,089]

You want to stop bullfighting? Seriously?

You want to take even more jobs and more money out of an already failing economy? But who cares about the economy, who cares about the people who have to feed their families, as long as some bull doesn't get kicked in the nuts and stabbed to death. I guess we should shut down all the meat facilities as well? I mean, what's a healthy diet worth compared to a living cow?

Yeah, let's let all these cows live. Take up all our farmland to provide feed for them. Let them flatulate all that methane and mess with the atmosphere. Screw humans, Earth is for bovines now, muthafuckaz!

 

 

 

 

(Just in case some of you don't pick up on it, that was all tongue in cheek. Honestly, I don't really care either way on bull fighting.)

[HanPolo 150]

My Dad's always preached to me "Son, if theres one thing I hate in this world, it's animal crulety"

 

Then he would pause to take a massive bite out of his beef sunday roast before continuing-

 

"And bull fighting is the worst off all, because the bull dies in the end."

 

Honestly? I dont follow my fathers hipocrytical logic of "It's ok if we kill it so we can eat it". So many animals die for our purposes, I dont see how bull fighting is any different. I dont know anything about how the bull is actualy killed, and if that is done in a cruel way then im sure that should be illegal, but the games themselves are a part of some peoples culture, their lives.

 

I guess that makes me indifferent on the subject...

[MrJK 399]

What is your opinion on bullfighting? Do you like it? Do you hate it? What?

 

My Opinion:

I think bull Fighting is something that should stop now. Its animal cruelty! I mean, it was fine back then, but now... Bull Fighting isn't a nice thing to watch nor to do. I myself signed a petition to stop bull fighting. Bull Fighting may be tradition in some countries, but it is wrong. How would you like it if they pissed you off, humiliated you in front of many people, and then kill you slowly and painfully with swords and spears?

Discuss ponies!

 

I agree that it needs to be stopped. I feel it is cruel and stupid a form of entertainment. But i think it is unfair to compare the bull and say "How would you like it if it happened to you." Humans and animals are two separate things, comparing them isn't a fair argument.

[Stoner Spike 185]

If you want to put your life on the line for my entertainment, good for you.

 

If you want to put an unwilling animal's life to an end for my entertainment, they should kill you with swords and spears.

 

I agree that it needs to be stopped. I feel it is cruel and stupid a form of entertainment. But i think it is unfair to compare the bull and say "How would you like it if it happened to you." Humans and animals are two separate things, comparing them isn't a fair argument.

 

How would you like it if you were the next unlucky bull and we were the humans saying that about you?

Edited April 18, 2012 by Stoner Spike

[Magnus 69]

I hate bullfighting. Worked against animal cruelty, and with abused animals my entire life, and loathe the entire event. I was invited by the spanish branch of the family to stay with them not that long ago, but refused as I am not visiting a country that considers animal cruelty entertainment.

 

Humans and animals are two separate things, comparing them isn't a fair argument.

 

We humans are animals aswell, we just have higher intelligence. Hate it when people think we are so friggin superior because we have more intellect. Without any of that, we would be on the bottom of the food chain.

 

And atleast we humans can speak up. Animals cant, wich is why its so easy to mistreat them, and all who enjoy this stuff, matadors and all the other scum that participate..I know it goes against "love & tolerate", but I despise every single one of them. Animal cruelty by any other name is still animal cruelty.

 

 

Having seen over years how humans treat animals, I have long ago started to lose faith in humanity.

[MrJK 399]

I hate bullfighting. Worked against animal cruelty, and with abused animals my entire life, and loathe the entire event. I was invited by the spanish branch of the family to stay with them not that long ago, but refused as I am not visiting a country that considers animal cruelty entertainment.

 

We humans are animals aswell, we just have higher intelligence. Hate it when people think we are so friggin superior because we have more intellect. Without any of that, we would be on the bottom of the food chain.

 

And atleast we humans can speak up. Animals cant, wich is why its so easy to mistreat them, and all who enjoy this stuff, matadors and all the other scum that participate..I know it goes against "love & tolerate", but I despise every single one of them. Animal cruelty by any other name is still animal cruelty.

 

 

Having seen over years how humans treat animals, I have long ago started to lose faith in humanity.

 

I don't want to start a flame war or anything over this, but i disagree once more. i for one, don't believe in evolution, so the idea that humans and animals are the same is nonsense to me. Yes, sure, if we didn't have intellect, we would be the same as animals, but guess what, we do. And i don't believe we ever gained it or lost it, just learned more about the world around us.

[Staticthor Draconus 958]

honestly, i don't care for bull fighting, they kill the bull after making it run around like that, so it seems like a poor sport. if the kept the bulls, and gave them ranks, it might be better

[Magnus 69]

honestly, i don't care for bull fighting, they kill the bull after making it run around like that, so it seems like a poor sport. if the kept the bulls, and gave them ranks, it might be better

 

Its not a sport, not by a long shot. A sport means those involved have a idea what is actually happening. Yeah sure, because why not increase the amount of torture bulls have to go through..Bah!

 

I don't want to start a flame war or anything over this, but i disagree once more. i for one, don't believe in evolution, so the idea that humans and animals are the same is nonsense to me. Yes, sure, if we didn't have intellect, we would be the same as animals, but guess what, we do. And i don't believe we ever gained it or lost it, just learned more about the world around us.

 

You can believe what you want, wether you are a creationist or evolutionist doesn´t matter to me, live and let live and all that.

 

But if you are a christian, what happened to being caretaker of the animals? I am not a christian, but have still read the bible.

For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.

You think its right to put animals though this then?

[Purged Account 57]

On 17/04/2012 at 10:58 PM, 'HanPolo' said:

Honestly? I dont follow my fathers hipocrytical logic of "It's ok if we kill it so we can eat it". So many animals die for our purposes, I dont see how bull fighting is any different. I dont know anything about how the bull is actualy killed, and if that is done in a cruel way then im sure that should be illegal, but the games themselves are a part of some peoples culture, their lives.

 

I guess that makes me indifferent on the subject...

 

The bull is stabbed with swords during most of the game, at the end, when he is weak, they stab him 2-3 in the heart and lungs until he vomits blood. The bull is then dragged out of the stadium. If the bull was a good fighter, they cut off his ears and tail and keep them as ornaments. Then he is skinned (he could still be alive at this point) and given to someone who then disposes of the body.

Edited April 4, 2018 by Purged Account

[HanPolo 150]

The bull is stabbed with swords during most of the game, at the end, when he is weak, they stab him 2-3 in the heart and lungs untill he vomits blood. The bull is then dragged out of the stadium. If the bull was a good fighter, they cut off his ears and tail and keep them as ornaments. Then he is skinned(he could still be alive at this point) and given to someone who then disposes of the body.

 

Wow... I know people who have been to bull fighting games, and I have never heard of stuff like that happening... But that is sick. Your right. I can only hope that all the games aren't like that...