spoiler New theory on season final. (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)

[LordDiscord 289]

As many who went to this years Comic-Con might know is that the season final animatic revealed a possible time-travel plot with Starlight Glimmer potentially  going back in time to stop the SonicRainboom Event from ever happening. Thinking about this reminded me about a character that will be featured in the Absolute Discord starter deck of the MLP trading card game.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201343391607this is the card in question and it features a corrupted Celestia who's turn into her Nightmare Moon equivalent (Solar Flare). I have a strong feeling that in the potential alternate reality Starlight Glimmer creates, Celestia will become corrupt  and turn into Solar Flare, likely do to the guilt of banishing her sister and having no pony to help stop Nightmare Moons return and return Luna to normal.

 

So what do you all think, do you think we will see a Nightmare version of Celestia in the final?

Edited July 16, 2015 by LordDiscord

[Jeremiah 1,586]

That maybe situational and we are aware that time travel is will bee seen in the finale, so you may never know.

Edited July 16, 2015 by SunsetMaster

[ManaMinori 4,146]

As many who went to this years Comic-Con might know is that the season final animatic revealed a possible time-travel plot with Starlight Glimmer potentially  going back in time to stop the SonicRainboom Event from ever happening. Thinking about this reminded me about a character that will be featured in the Absolute Discord starter deck of the MLP trading card game.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201343391607this is the card in question and it features a corrupted Celestia who's turn into her Nightmare Moon equivalent (Solar Flare). I have a strong feeling that in the potential alternate reality Starlight Glimmer creates, Celestia will become corrupt  and turn into Solar Flare, likely do to the guilt of banishing her sister and having no pony to help stop Nightmare Moons return and return Luna to normal.

 

So what do you all think, do you think we will see a Nightmare version of Celestia in the final?

wndering exactly how Solar Flare would happen, if the events of the sonic rainboom giving the mane 6 their cutie marks happened long after Luna became NMM

....unless Starligjt shoots too far in the past, and alters history frm around 1k years ago, before the Mane 6, qnd however many of their earlier ansestral generations were even born

[Melke 160]

Sorry about my earlier post, I failed to read your topic properly.

 

About Nightmare Celestia, I think the theory is a bit far-fetched seeing as Starlight only wants revenge on Twilight and if the story goes to Nightmare Celestia, the writers have a lot of plot holes to fill. The only way I see Nightmare Celestia appearing is if it is in another universe where Celestia was the one who had gotten too much pride due to all the praise and admiration and had decided that she does not want the day to end or ponies would not care about her. Falling to her own insecurities, she becomes Nightmare Celestia and Luna was the one who stayed sane and fought her with the elements and won. Then that is when the role reversal happened.

 

The time traveling device, like you said, was used to mess up the sonic rainboom so that the mane 6 will not get their marks. So I am sorry to say that Nightmare Celestia ark may have better place in the comics or alternate universe.

Edited July 16, 2015 by Negativa_Melke

[LordDiscord 289]

Sorry about my earlier post, I failed to read your topic properly.

 

About Nightmare Celestia, I think the theory is a bit far-fetched seeing as Starlight only wants revenge on Twilight and if the story goes to Nightmare Celestia, the writers have a lot of plot holes to fill. The only way I see Nightmare Celestia appearing is if it is in another universe where Celestia was the one who had gotten too much pride due to all the praise and admiration and had decided that she does not want the day to end or ponies would not care about her. Falling to her own insecurities, she becomes Nightmare Celestia and Luna was the one who stayed sane and fought her with the elements and won. Then that is when the role reversal happened.

 

The time traveling device, like you said, was used to mess up the sonic rainboom so that the mane 6 will not get their marks. So I am sorry to say that Nightmare Celestia ark may have better place in the comics or alternate universe.

Yes but the Mane 6 not getting their Cutie Marks won't be the only thing messed up. Without Twilight, Spike will never have been hatched, the Elements would have never been reactivated, No one would be there to Stop Nightmare Moon or any of the villains that came after. Its possible with all the villains roaming Equestria, Celestia may feel guilty that she can't save her ponies and may fall into despair causing her transformation into Solar Flare. 

wndering exactly how Solar Flare would happen, if the events of the sonic rainboom giving the mane 6 their cutie marks happened long after Luna became NMM

....unless Starligjt shoots too far in the past, and alters history frm around 1k years ago, before the Mane 6, qnd however many of their earlier ansestral generations were even born

A lot more events happened because of that SonicRainboom then the Mane 6 acquiring their Cutie Marks. Alot of their history is riding on this one event, there is no telling how badly the time line could be messed up due to Starlight Glimmers meddling.

Edited July 16, 2015 by LordDiscord

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

The trading cards already hint the appearance of Nightmare Star so it will probably happen in ss5 finale or at least ss6, I cant wait for it ).Nightmare Star even more cool than Nightmare Moon. Due to seriousness of ss5 Nightmare Star wont be some laughable threat like Nightmare Moon. Maybe im just over-exciting...

[ManaMinori 4,146]

The trading cards already hint the appearance of Nightmare Star so it will probably happen in ss5 finale or at least ss6, I cant wait for it ).Nightmare Star even more cool than Nightmare Moon. Due to seriousness of ss5 Nightmare Star wont be some laughable threat like Nightmare Moon. Maybe im just over-exciting...

NMM was a laughable threat? Ok, I wasn't aware that trying to shroud the entire earth in infinite darkness wouldn't kill off just about if not every living species of plant and animal and freeze the entire planet, without the warmth of the sun. NMM is indeed a laughable villain since none of her actions wouldn't have lead to such an event, had she not been stopped! XD

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

NMM was a laughable threat? Ok, I wasn't aware that trying to shroud the entire earth in infinite darkness wouldn't kill off just about if not every living species of plant and animal and freeze the entire planet, without the warmth of the sun. NMM is indeed a laughable villain since none of her actions wouldn't have lead to such an event, had she not been stopped! XD

Ok, im wrong. NMM is not a laughable threat but a LAUGHABLE VILLAIN due to silly writing of ss 1 . NMM is only villlain has capable of killing EVERYONE

[Melke 160]

Yes but the Mane 6 not getting their Cutie Marks won't be the only thing messed up. Without Twilight, Spike will never have been hatched, the Elements would have never been reactivated, No one would be there to Stop Nightmare Moon or any of the villains that came after. Its possible with all the villains roaming Equestria, Celestia may feel guilty that she can't save her ponies and may fall into despair causing her transformation into Solar Flare. 

A lot more events happened because of that SonicRainboom then the Mane 6 acquiring their Cutie Marks. Alot of their history is riding on this one event, there is no telling how badly the time line could be messed up due to Starlight Glimmers meddling.

 

As I have mentioned in my post, there is a lot of plot holes that the writers have to fill for this theory to work. The villains that the mane 6 had stopped are only one of the many. At most, NMM ruled until Discord came back and he took over the rule from NMM and with the disharmony, Sombra came back and enslaved the Crystal Empire. Queen Chrysalis's plot would not have happened and instead, without much love due to all of the fear and disharmony and turned tailed and went elsewhere to feed her changelings. As for our latest villain, Tirek, he would not have been able to sway Discord using the same method but I can bet the idea of total domination sounds really appealing so he might take over after  betraying Discord and rule equestria from that point on. As you can see, not something the show can effectively cover but if they do, it would be either the first three part or even four part finale.

 

Also Celestia falling into despair from failing to defeat NMM and the other villains, I agree that it is possible but it does not fit Solar Flare's motive "The Day Will Last Forever." NMM has that motive is due to the fact that she felt shunned by ponies who loved the day. If NMM had won, the night would last forever and I doubt that Celestia became Solar Flare unless NMM had the intent to make her former sister fall into the nightmare. If NMM ruled, Celestia might have stayed sane and her motive would be just bring back balance.

 

My idea for Solar Flare makes some sense as it would fit her motive due to her insecurity of the fear of being disregarded. Why is there a Summer Sun Celebration and no other Moon Celebration (granted it is just not canon yet but ponies celebrate the former more). Since Nightmare preys on strong negativity, it could have been that based on Nightmare Rarity.

 

I know that there are some theory or fan fictions that wanted the Solar vs Lunar war. For the Season 5 ending, I doubt that we will get to see it actually takes place, like many others had said, 1000 years ago vs less than 100 years ago. To fit in the two part episode finale, I don't think they can fit all of it in either.

[LordDiscord 289]

As I have mentioned in my post, there is a lot of plot holes that the writers have to fill for this theory to work. The villains that the mane 6 had stopped are only one of the many. At most, NMM ruled until Discord came back and he took over the rule from NMM and with the disharmony, Sombra came back and enslaved the Crystal Empire. Queen Chrysalis's plot would not have happened and instead, without much love due to all of the fear and disharmony and turned tailed and went elsewhere to feed her changelings. As for our latest villain, Tirek, he would not have been able to sway Discord using the same method but I can bet the idea of total domination sounds really appealing so he might take over after  betraying Discord and rule equestria from that point on. As you can see, not something the show can effectively cover but if they do, it would be either the first three part or even four part finale.

 

Also Celestia falling into despair from failing to defeat NMM and the other villains, I agree that it is possible but it does not fit Solar Flare's motive "The Day Will Last Forever." NMM has that motive is due to the fact that she felt shunned by ponies who loved the day. If NMM had won, the night would last forever and I doubt that Celestia became Solar Flare unless NMM had the intent to make her former sister fall into the nightmare. If NMM ruled, Celestia might have stayed sane and her motive would be just bring back balance.

 

My idea for Solar Flare makes some sense as it would fit her motive due to her insecurity of the fear of being disregarded. Why is there a Summer Sun Celebration and no other Moon Celebration (granted it is just not canon yet but ponies celebrate the former more). Since Nightmare preys on strong negativity, it could have been that based on Nightmare Rarity.

 

I know that there are some theory or fan fictions that wanted the Solar vs Lunar war. For the Season 5 ending, I doubt that we will get to see it actually takes place, like many others had said, 1000 years ago vs less than 100 years ago. To fit in the two part episode finale, I don't think they can fit all of it in either.

We don't really know what the alternate timeline will bring, however if its not despair then it could be desperation, Celestia could discover a power that will allow her to defeat all the other villains, and while it possibly does give her enough power, it also corrupts her and she could become the main villain of the alternate time line leaving the other villains defeated or in the state they would have been in had they been defeated by the Mane 6.