Twilight's ungrateful attitude is a turn off?

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I don’t know about anyone else, but this is just something that's been grating on my nerves with her. Twilight sings about wanting to have a purpose, wanting to do something. The princesses give her a role of welcoming delagates. Twilight complains that all she's been doing is "smiling and waving". She complains that she's bored, and didn't get pcked by the cutie map to do somehing in Griffinstone, and Manehatan. But she didn't need the map to tell her to go solve a friendship problem for Moon Dancer, in Canterlot.

 

So why, if she's bored and wanting something to do, doesn't she go visit her parents or siblings/ sibling in law, or ask for Princess paperwork, and all of Sunbutt's responsibilities, or visit her parents, or make some new friends, or visit her parents, or do more research on dragons, for Spike's sake, or look into other libraries or something, or visit her parents?

 

Is Twilight's character a turn-off, with this "I'm a princess, but I don't like the roles I'm given, and bored, and can't do anything without approval from the map" attitude? What happened to the pony in episode 1, who didn't even want to listen to supreme ruler Sunbutt, to make friends, and was all snark and sass?

Edited September 26, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[Goat-kun 2,530]

I'll tell you what happened to Twilight: S05 plot happened to Twilight.

 

Twilight we all know and love, aka Twilight Classic, is an industrious and curios mage with an insatiable thirst for knowledge and quite a notable disregard for collateral damage, physical or otherwise. One could say she's a ponification of Izzet (MTG Ravnica), sporting qualities of both red (searing power) and blue (cold logic) mana. This Twilight, when left unrestrained, would undoubtedly submerge herself deep into the study of her newly grown castle, uncovering its secrets and capabilities one by one. She would be disturbed and quite uncomfortable with the whole map thing and the unknown yet logical connection with the Tree of Harmony, probably voicing her concerns to Princess Celestia and her friends on more than one occasion. With such a puzzling toy in her hooves, she’d be frazzled, frustrated, but never bored.

 

Sigh, it’s kinda sad that characters like Twilight Sparkle and Princess Celestia would work better in a MTG-ish free-for-all environment that would naturally restrict their magical princess shenanigans without the incessant need to do it artificially through stupid plot. However, our great and capable people at H-Bro clearly know better, since, you know, they get a paycheck for pastel pony stuff, while you and I clearly do not. Thus we are in the wrong, obviously.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

Is Twilight's character a turn-off, with this "I'm a princess, but I don't like the roles I'm given, and bored, and can't do anything without approval from the map" attitude?

 

I, for one, am getting tired of it. It ultimately just implies that Twilight has no desire to be proactive whatsoever. 

 

You're bored, Twi? Well, how about consulting with Celestia to find out if there are any minor, yet important problems in the country that you can address for her? How about paying a visit to Griffonstone (you know, the place you want to go to so badly?) to find out how Gilda's solo effort to spread friendship is going? How about making trips to other Equestrian cities and towns and talk to their mayors about what can be done to improve the living conditions or whatnot? 

 

Those are the kinds of things that a leader actually deserving of her title does. Not just stacking books into a pyramid while waiting for something to happen.  :okiedokielokie:

[Jeric 46,871]

 

 

Is Twilight's character a turn-off, with this "I'm a princess, but I don't like the roles I'm given, and bored, and can't do anything without approval from the map" attitude?

 

 

If the payoff is a repeat of Twilight's Kingdom, I will completely get behind you on this. I am still hoping that the writers have something up their sleeves here ... and the finale is basically the mystical powers that be telling Twilight to STFU. 

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I, for one, am getting tired of it. It ultimately just implies that Twilight has no desire to be proactive whatsoever. 

 

You're bored, Twi? Well, how about consulting with Celestia to find out if there are any minor, yet important problems in the country that you can address for her? How about paying a visit to Griffonstone (you know, the place you want to go to so badly?) to find out how Gilda's solo effort to spread friendship is going? How about making trips to other Equestrian cities and towns and talk to their mayors about what can be done to improve the living conditions or whatnot? 

 

Those are the kinds of things that a leader actually deserving of her title does. Not just stacking books into a pyramid while waiting for something to happen.  :okiedokielokie:

I know! Hell, I'm starting to think that Starlight Glimmer made for a better leader than princess Twi. At least Starlight was DOING something proactive (or so she believed). -insert beatbox Rarity noises here- unlike Twi, who just exists to piss and moan, becase duties and adventure isn't dropped into her royal lap, rather than getting off her flank and finding those things, herself. She's turned into such a piss ass, it's not even funny. She doesn't deserve a crown, or her wings, or that castle. Buck what Sunbutt says.

 

The only thing Twilight needs is a big fat smack in the face with an encyclopedia, and Starlight Glimmer around to scream at her to stfu again.

 

What prevents Twi from going to Zecora's, maybe learning zebra magic? Nothing. What prevents hr from continuing to help the CMC with their talents? Nothing. What prevents her from going into the Everfree, to find new stuff to explore in Sunbutt and Luna's old castle? Nothing. In a town of at least a couple hundred ponies in Ponyville, I sure as hell don't think that there's NOTHING for her to do.

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

Your destiny's uncertain... and that's sometimes hard to take... But it will become much clearer... with every new choice you make...

 

And the result of that song is a fancy schmancy map that tells her to sit on her butt all season . Yay!

 

I agree that Twily's a bit too deferential to authority (whether that is in the form of Celestia or magical maps) and I'd like for the show to address that. Not sure if this is where they're going, since it's an awkward message to try and teach correctly, but I've been wanting her to get out and make more of her own choices for a loooong time now. I'm not expecting it, though. Today's episode sort of cemented that Twilight being left out of missions is going to be a running thing here with map episodes, and I dunno if there's room for any life-changing revelations of this sort in a finale that I expect will also be largely focused on a final showdown with Starlight.

 

Time will tell, though.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

If the payoff is a repeat of Twilight's Kingdom, I will completely get behind you on this. I am still hoping that the writers have something up their sleeves here ... and the finale is basically the mystical powers that be telling Twilight to STFU.

 

I would like if if her friends just get fed u with her ungrateful attitude, unwillingness to take matters into her own hooves, instead of just pissing and moaning about how she never gets what she wants, and just up and leave her. No, really, the othet 5 and Spike are just like "buck this, you're not really a good friend anymore", and just drop Twi like a dirty diaper. And for Twi to re-evaluate her attitude because she pushed her friends away, AND take on a big baddie, without her friends there to lend their support. She NEEDS to be smacked down to rock bottom, I think, to really appreciate what she has, and how everything isn't all about her, now.

[Singe 2,111]

Twilight Sparkle is the chosen one and had roles handed to her. Chosen one is just jelly because her friends are doing her job. She doesn't see herself doing anything major outside the magic of friendship role.

 

For the Princess of Friendship, she's still hasn't mastered being a mediator.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Singe

[Surprise 1,003]

That's likely why I'm slowly stop watching this season. I miss the old Twilight but her being as a princess just ruins everything. I don't even know if she did anything fun with her friends at that point. I don't know what else to say about this.

 

I'd feel Sunset Shimmer or Rainbow Dash can be the better princess than Twilight, but that's my opinion I guess.

[MLPFanatic34 3,241]

Eh I seem to be the only one that still likes Twilight regardless of her being a princess or not.

[Will Guide 21,365]

Eh I seem to be the only one that still likes Twilight regardless of her being a princess or not.

You're not the only one. I still like Twilight, princess or not. Although I agree with Twilight in "Made in Manehatten": (Summarizing) "Why won't the map send me anywhere since it sent us all to that village ruled by Starlight Glimmer?"

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Twilight Sparkle is the chosen one and had roles handed to her. Chosen one is just jelly because her friends are doing her job. She doesn't see herself doing anything major outside the magic of friendship role.

 

For the Princess of Friendship, she's still hasn't mastered being a mediator.

with how Chosen one is acting like a whiny baby, I can see her throwing a tantrum soon, when the Almighty map sends someons else, instead of her, again, and she ragequits on them, and takes their mission, herself.

[Truffles 2,033]

I'm not turned off by Twilight per se, but do agree with you there's no reason why she has to sit around in the castle instead of flying off to Griffonstone or other places to check up on things. Unless she's gotten it stuck in her head that she has to be available during the day at the castle if any ponies come to her for help? (Which doesn't seem to be happening - and if it is, the writers are being lazy about not telling the audience this.  )

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Eh I seem to be the only one that still likes Twilight regardless of her being a princess or not.

question is, though, WHY do you (and however many) still like her?

[Mesme Rize 15,690]

question is, though, WHY do you (and however many) still like her?

 

She is nerdy, looks cute and she has a big heart. Everybody has some bad qualities, but we should concentrate on both.

[Ecntrix 86]

I think it is a turn off. She doesn't seem as curious as my old nerdy Twilight that I loved. One reason I enjoyed Friendship Games is because the Twilight in the movie reminded me of the old Twilight that I loved. Now Twilight, in MLP:FiM, just seems lazy. And it's annoying. I use to love Twilight, but, eh. She can always do things on her own and not rely on the map. She didn't rely on the map until the map came. Is she really going be like that?

 

But like Spike said:

Twilight Sparkle: Ehh... [blows raspberry] [sighs heavily, groans, then sighs again] I'm bored. Spike: But you're reading. Twilight Sparkle: I've read all these books already. Spike: And...?

[ManaMinori 4,146]

She is nerdy, looks cute and she has a big heart. Everybody has some bad qualities, but we should concentrate on both.

I'll give you that she's cute because she can be....at times. But those other qualities are far overshadowed by her negative ones, I think. I could maybe cut her slack on the bad qualities IF she did some self evaluation and tried to overcome those negative aspects, but she's NOT. She's a prtty bad character, as things stand now, and have been. Not only does she compain about (see op) and all, but she's dangerous and doesn't consider the consequences with the magic that she uses, nor does she learn (or get punished) from the disasters she's caused. https://mlpforums.com/topic/137782-do-twilights-short-sighted-magical-solutions-worry-anyone-else/

 

Like the rule "with great power comes greater responsibility" doesn't apply to her.

[Mesme Rize 15,690]

I'll give you that she's cute because she can be....at times. But those other qualities are far overshadowed by her negative ones, I think. I could maybe cut her slack on the bad qualities IF she did some self evaluation and tried to overcome those negative aspects, but she's NOT. She's a prtty bad character, as things stand now, and have been. Not only does she compain about (see op) and all, but she's dangerous and doesn't consider the consequences with the magic that she uses, nor does she learn (or get punished) from the disasters she's caused. https://mlpforums.com/topic/137782-do-twilights-short-sighted-magical-solutions-worry-anyone-else/

 

Like the rule "with great power comes greater responsibility" doesn't apply to her.

 

We could play the "she never has been punished for her actions" card on all the others.

 

Did Pinkie get punished for her actions in "too many pinkie pies?" DId Rainbow Dash get punished for her actions in "Tanks for the memories?" Did Applejack get punished for her actions in "Applebuck season?" etc.

 

Maybe we shouldn't like any of them, by that logic.

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

I'll give you that she's cute because she can be....at times. But those other qualities are far overshadowed by her negative ones, I think. I could maybe cut her slack on the bad qualities IF she did some self evaluation and tried to overcome those negative aspects, but she's NOT. She's a prtty bad character, as things stand now, and have been. Not only does she compain about (see op) and all, but she's dangerous and doesn't consider the consequences with the magic that she uses, nor does she learn (or get punished) from the disasters she's caused. https://mlpforums.com/topic/137782-do-twilights-short-sighted-magical-solutions-worry-anyone-else/

 

Like the rule "with great power comes greater responsibility" doesn't apply to her.

 

Actually I'd say that's a more accurate description of Rainbow Dash more than anything.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

We could play the "she never has been punished for her actions" card on all the others.

 

Did Pinkie get punished for her actions in "too many pinkie pies?" DId Rainbow Dash get punished for her actions in "Tanks for the memories?" Did Applejack get punished for her actions in "Applebuck season?" etc.

 

Maybe we shouldn't like any of them, by that logic.

the others have had their faults, but unlike Twi, were willing, or are still in the process of working on those negative traits-which was what got the other into thosr "haven't been punished for" situations, in the first place. Twilght is the only one who isn't.

Her character, even beyond that, is weak and irritating, with her choosing not to do things on her own, and sit around moping all day. Not worthy of being a princess.

[Mesme Rize 15,690]

the others have had their faults, but unlike Twi, were willing, or are still in the process of working on those negative traits-which was what got the other into thosr "haven't been punished for" situations, in the first place. Twilght is the only one who isn't.

Her character, even beyond that, is weak and irritating, with her choosing not to do things on her own, and sit around moping all day. Not worthy of being a princess.

 

The others still don't get punished.

 

Also, haven't you watched "Amending fences?" Didn't she apologize to Moon Dancer, for not showing up to the party?

 

If you ask me, that looks like Twilight is willing to learn from her mistakes.

 

And before this is going more off-topic, i leave this thread.

 

Good discussion

[-Octavia- 1,176]

I too like to be unashamedly biased.

 

Aaaanyways, I wonder what it would be like if I were suddenly the ruler of my own kingdom, even though I have never before assumed such a role, and had before relied on the guidance of others to help me overcome difficulties. I imagine that sudden disconnect would be quite jarring, and I might not be able to appropriately cope with my new role. In fact I might become indecisive, not wanting to take a definitive action that might encroach upon the rights of others, especially if I were at one point humble enough to believe myself superior to no one. Yet I would also not wish to go about my own business out of concern I might suddenly be needed at any point in time. Ultimately, I would take comfort in things that help guide me as I was once guided...perhaps this time by a magical map. It would be a familiar feeling, and I know I would be able to do my job just as confidently as I used to, knowing that I am definitively needed for a specific purpose. Just some possible reasons, if one were to put themselves in her shoes. It is easy to berate someone from the comfort of one's own.

 

(What are paragraphs?)

 

In fact, I wonder what other shows and movies have had newly crowned princesses that surely go through similar plights. It is not as though this is a singular occurrence found nowhere else in media.

 

Just playing the devil's advocate, as some people seem unable to make objective threads about this particular pony.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Wubtavia

[DeadAccount 4,604]

Well I feel like Season 5 so far hasn't really had a Twilight-based episode except for "Amending Fences" However, she actually went out and tried to make up for her mistakes in the past. So we cannot assume that she isn't trying to fix up on her bad qualities.

 

And well, being a princess isn't always meaning that every day will be filled with action. But we should remember that Twilight is not used to being a princess so she hasn't grown used to some of the boredom she will have to face at times.

 

And maybe Twilight wants to go out and do things but perhaps she is afraid of something bad happening while she's gone? Maybe she wants to be somewhere where her friends can go to if they need her if a disaster were to happen? She may only just be nervous that something bad will happen while she's busy. After all, the whole mishap at the Friendship Games happened while she wasn't around and she came running through that portal in a panic when she could. So she is pretty aware that these kind of things happen.

 

We also shouldn't focus too much on her bad qualities while she has her good qualities. Especially when everyone has their bad qualities.

[Megas 27,940]

I don’t know about anyone else, but this is just something that's been grating on my nerves with her. Twilight sings about wanting to have a purpose, wanting to do something. The princesses give her a role of welcoming delagates. Twilight complains that all she's been doing is "smiling and waving". She complains that she's bored, and didn't get pcked by the cutie map to do somehing in Griffinstone, and Manehatan. But she didn't need the map to tell her to go solve a friendship problem for Moon Dancer, in Canterlot.

I don't see how her wanting to be more active in fixing and spreading friendship makes her ungrateful

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I too like to be unashamedly biased.

 

Aaaanyways, I wonder what it would be like if I were suddenly the ruler of my own kingdom, even though I have never before assumed such a role, and had before relied on the guidance of others to help me overcome difficulties. I imagine that sudden disconnect would be quite jarring, and I might not be able to appropriately cope with my new role. In fact I might become indecisive, not wanting to take a definitive action that might encroach upon the rights of others, especially if I were at one point humble enough to believe myself superior to no one. Yet I would also not wish to go about my own business out of concern I might suddenly be needed at any point in time. Ultimately, I would take comfort in things that help guide me as I was once guided...perhaps this time by a magical map. It would be a familiar feeling, and I know I would be able to do my job just as confidently as I used to, knowing that I am definitively needed for a specific purpose. Just some possible reasons, if one were to put themselves in her shoes. It is easy to berate someone from the comfort of one's own.

 

(What are paragraphs?)

 

In fact, I wonder what other shows and movies have had newly crowned princesses that surely go through similar plights. It is not as though this is a singular occurrence found nowhere else in media.

 

Just playing the devil's advocate, as some people seem unable to make objective threads about this particular pony.

ok, fine. Let's have her sit around and wait for a problem to fall into her lap, moping all the while, and having her nose in all the books of her library, while life passes her by, and let's forget about her not learning from "Amending Fences", to go out on her own, without the map having to tell her, and solving a friendship problem, because she went out to grab the opportunity, herself. Further proof that Twi isn't learning from her actions.