Shouldn't Sunset Shimmer been expelled?

[cider float 2,538]

I mean honestly nobody thought that Sunset Shimmer should have been arrested let alone expelled. It's parts like this I find her terribly written.

[Megas 27,640]

No because the series wouldn't go anywhere.

 

It'd just be an unimportant and unneeded detail

[cider float 2,538]

It is a big deal. The same would happen to Midnight Sparkle and Principal Celestia and Luna could even been fired.

 

In the human world just coming to school with a gun could get you expelled.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,512]

It is not terrible writing, a big theme of this show is forgiveness and redemption, so simply expelling her would go against that theme entirely. Plus, it would probably eliminate Sunset from any future EQG films. There are aspects of these films that are terrible writing, this is not one of them.

[cider float 2,538]

Attempted murder, complete possession of other students? Should kids know there is no consequences but forgiveness for this kind of behavior at school?

[UniKittyDoom 5]

I agree with all of you, but we're talking about a show with flying talking ponies that can travel to dementions where they're a human but not a human.

[Evil_Emperor 176]

Because Celestia is very forgiving and Twilight put her rehabilitation in the hands of her Human world friends.

 

Shouldn't they have destroyed Discord or left him petrified instead of bringing him back to cause trouble in literally all of his appearances? People need to stop fussing over non-matters. You could do this for literally everything in fiction, but if you did there would not be any enjoyable fiction. Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker? Because then there wouldn't be anymore Joker.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Evil_Emperor

[cmarston1 5,959]

I mean she should have.

But if Sunset was expelled we wouldn't have seen her development in Rainbow Rocks and Friendship Games.

[BPCannon 193]

Well, she only destroyed part of the school and turned a bunch of students into zombies, it's not like she tried to make it nighttime when it was supposed to be daytime, otherwise, you know... 1000 years Moon

 

Although since Sombra, Tirek, and the Sirens were not given a chance to be forgiven (not mentioning Chrysalis here because based on popularity I can see it happening in future) and the whole 1000 years thing with Luna took place prior to the show, meaning the first thing we ever saw of her was redemption, The general message is that if you're not a bad individual, but you take a wrong turn somewhere and become influenced after getting involved with the wrong type of "magic" there's always a way back

 

Bad magic in MLP can be a metaphor for crime, drugs, gangs, basically anything that's tempting for someone unhappy with their life and able to quickly lead them astray

 

Then again, I also have a theory that the ring in the lord of the rings, is representative of an addictive drug, and the ring bearer an addict, and plenty of people are not inclined to agree with me

Edited October 21, 2015 by BPCannon

[Jeric 46,851]

Attempted murder, complete possession of other students? Should kids know there is no consequences but forgiveness for this kind of behavior at school?

You appear to be ordering a burger and are expecting a pizza. EqG and FiM are Aesops driven shows with a positivist message. Expectations of anything else, coupled with disappointment, may suggest that you are simply not going to find the content worthwhile and may need to consider moving on for your own benefit.

[10InTheTardis 509]

Was Luna arrested for being Nightmare Moon? Was Discord arrested for being, well, Discord? Well, the first time he was turned to stone, yes, but he's "Reformed".

 

Sunset isn't evil any more, so I guess since the EQG world is half like ours, and half like equestria, They didn't throw her in jail because she wasn't a threat.

 

Or Sunset is secretley running the government from the shaddows, and since she was homesick, forced eveyone to be as nice as the ponies from equestria, so they both looked and acted the same. Evil Dictator Sunset Shimmer. 

[Officer Strike 152]

The royal guard should do something about it. I am a royal guard fan. Sunset Shimmer however......its not MLP. MLP is for kids. The whole idea is to try and use friendship to prevent all of these problems. In real life Sunset Shimmer would e in Juvenile Detention or something. 

[J. Brony 313]

Attempted murder, complete possession of other students? Should kids know there is no consequences but forgiveness for this kind of behavior at school?

 

He's right though.  Last time I demolished the school cafeteria and brainwashed the faculty, all I got was a slap on the wrist.  

[Kivil 1,721]

Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker? Because then there wouldn't be anymore Joker.

Noooo not Joker senpai! I love him best villain ever! 

[MoltenKitten 341]

I think expulsion has to go through the superintendent* so imagine what his/her reaction would be (along with the cops) getting told the reason for expulsion is "Going She-demon"

 

*I am not sure on this

Edited October 21, 2015 by MoltenKitten

[Evil_Emperor 176]

Noooo not Joker senpai! I love him best villain ever! 

As someone who reads Comic Books I can say he's nowhere close to best villain/antagonist. He's also so overused he lost his edge and has become horribly flanderized. Originally Joker treated crime as a game, he was set on committing imaginative and inventive crimes while eluding justice(the chase) and trying to get at Batman(the rival). Then he just became this psychopathic mass-murderer who has no reason to be allowed to live. This is a problem when The Joker is popular and too marketable to kill-off, because then suspension of disbelief begins to wear thin.

 

Yes I went on a tirade on The Joker in a Sunset Shimmer thread and I nominate Lex Luthor best DC Comics antagonist.

[Castle Bleck 19,361]

Technically, she got community-service: helping to rebuild that part of the school.

Edited December 30, 2019 by Anti-Villain

[Adachi 772]

I like to think of the world of Equestria Girls as being similar to the more progressive nations like Norway or Switzerland. Why expel and throw a girl in jail when she was being controlled by magic? She never tried to kill anyone til she put on the crown AFAIK, and when all was over, she was extremely sorry for what she did and admitted everything. The only real damage was done to the school, and she paid for that by having to help rebuild it. Other than that, no damage, no signs of her not being sorry or of her being a possible future threat.

 

Edit: Keep in mind she's also school age, not a full adult. So arrest is pretty much out the window except with the possibility of juvie. And if the human world in EG is supposed to be like Equestria, but with humans, then they would have a similar system for dealing with students as whatever they have in Equestria.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Adachi

[Silver Stream. 708]

I mean honestly nobody thought that Sunset Shimmer should have been arrested let alone expelled. It's parts like this I find her terribly written.

Why is everyone shocked about this?  This isn't something new at all. Babs got away with destroying property and bullying people, Diamond Tiara got away with being a bully to everyone in school, The Sirens weren't even shown getting any "legal" punishment though I suppose they were expelled since they didn't appear in the 3rd movie, but then again, they could have turned tail and left on their own. If Celestia can forgive Discord for nearly drowning her loyal subjects in smooze and throwing a pony in another dimension, I'm PREEEETTYYYY sure that her alternate human self can forgive Sunset for brainwashing students which is at best all she did.  She wasn't even written as a great villain...more like a confused brat wanting to rule the playground. :okiedokielokie:  

 

Midnight Sparkle posed more of a threat than Sunset ever did when she was a demon. Twilight destroyed property, nearly caused innocent lives to fall at their deaths which is way more possible victims than Sunset...I mean she literally started ripping the world apart just to get to Equestria when she could have easily went through that one portal she created but she turned evil so...yeah that was a d*ck move.  . One could argue that Sunset knew what she was doing, whereas Twilight didn't. But May I point out how both transformations resulted with them crying and shocked by the magic the element/device contained. Even I'm sure Sunset wasn't 100% prepared for her transformation. And despite inner conflict, bitterness, and the thirst for revenge was what corrupted Sunset in the first place, the magical element could have corrupted her further. We've seen this throughout FiM for far too long with Trixie having the alicorn amulet being a prime example. Antagonists may have the wrong intentions, but they can still be pushed farther than they prefer if overwhelmed with power 

 

This question should be directed at MS as well if you're pointing out what she did. Heck, even the outcome of Midnight Sparkle's actions were more "merciful" than what Sunset received. Sunset was graced to stay while Twilight was literally offered to transfer to the school. I'm starting to get the feeling Sunset was targeted with this question only because of your opinion of her being poorly written in general. Because it doesn't make sense why Midnight Sparkle wasn't included and even quite a few others like Snips and Snails who were obviously helping Sunset with her crimes in the first place. 

 

And this pretty much proves my point exactly when these sort of plot holes are expected or desired to be filled. Because while it's nothing wrong to point them out, it's unfair to desire that type of thing to happen knowing well it would kill future plots and movies. It would have made it pointless to make the movies in the first place unless that's really what you're implying: Equestria Girls was a mistake in the first place. Otherwise, I can respect that seeing a few others feel the same way 

Edited October 22, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[cider float 2,538]

Why is everyone shocked about this?  This isn't something new at all. Babs got away with destroying property and bullying people, Diamond Tiara got away with being a bully to everyone in school, The Sirens weren't even shown getting any "legal" punishment though I suppose they were expelled since they didn't appear in the 3rd movie, but then again, they could have turned tail and left on their own. If Celestia can forgive Discord for nearly drowning her loyal subjects in smooze and throwing a pony in another dimension, I'm PREEEETTYYYY sure that her alternate human self can forgive Sunset for brainwashing students which is at best all she did.  She wasn't even written as a great villain...more like a confused brat wanting to rule the playground. :okiedokielokie:  

 

Midnight Sparkle posed more of a threat than Sunset ever did when she was a demon. Twilight destroyed property, nearly caused innocent lives to fall at their deaths which is way more possible victims than Sunset...I mean she literally started ripping the world apart just to get to Equestria when she could have easily went through that one portal she created but she turned evil so...yeah that was a d*ck move.  . One could argue that Sunset knew what she was doing, whereas Twilight didn't. But May I point out how both transformations resulted with them crying and shocked by the magic the element/device contained. Even I'm sure Sunset wasn't 100% prepared for her transformation. And despite inner conflict, bitterness, and the thirst for revenge was what corrupted Sunset in the first place, the magical element could have corrupted her further. We've seen this throughout FiM for far too long with Trixie having the alicorn amulet being a prime example. Antagonists may have the wrong intentions, but they can still be pushed farther than they prefer if overwhelmed with power 

 

This question should be directed at MS as well if you're pointing out what she did. Heck, even the outcome of Midnight Sparkle's actions were more "merciful" than what Sunset received. Sunset was graced to stay while Twilight was literally offered to transfer to the school. I'm starting to get the feeling Sunset was targeted with this question only because of your opinion of her being poorly written in general. Because it doesn't make sense why Midnight Sparkle wasn't included and even quite a few others like Snips and Snails who were obviously helping Sunset with her crimes in the first place. 

 

And this pretty much proves my point exactly when these sort of plot holes are expected or desired to be filled. Because while it's nothing wrong to point them out, it's unfair to desire that type of thing to happen knowing well it would kill future plots and movies. It would have made it pointless to make the movies in the first place unless that's really what you're implying: Equestria Girls was a mistake in the first place. Otherwise, I can respect that seeing a few others feel the same way 

Equestria and the human world are two different worlds. 

[Silver Stream. 708]

Equestria and the human world are two different worlds. 

 

Even so, that still does not excuse everything else I've said about why Midnight Sparkle, Snip and Snails, and even the Sirens weren't targeted with such a broad question And what you pointed out was only the very first section. the human versions of every pony have similar ideals and characteristics as their pony counterparts in Equestria. The point I was making in the first paragraph was that regardless if they are in two different worlds or not, they all originate off the same formula: forgiveness even if sometimes they are absurd....and from seeing how forgiving and nonchalant Celestia is when it comes to people facing danger, it's no surprise her human self is the same way. Even if they are two different worlds, Equestria was still crossed over into the human world plotwise. 

[cider float 2,538]

Even so, that still does not excuse everything else I've said about why Midnight Sparkle, Snip and Snails, and even the Sirens weren't targeted with such a broad question And what you pointed out was only the very first section. the human versions of every pony have similar ideals and characteristics as their pony counterparts in Equestria. The point I was making in the first paragraph was that regardless if they are in two different worlds or not, they all originate off the same formula: forgiveness even if sometimes they are absurd....and from seeing how forgiving and nonchalant Celestia is when it comes to people facing danger, it's no surprise her human self is the same way. Even if they are two different worlds, Equestria was still crossed over into the human world plotwise. 

They don't. The kind of rules around the human world would eventually spill into the press, law and government. No parent would stand still with a school wrought with so much peril. Lot of news would leak about on what happened there. Celestia covering that up would actually make her look like a bad guy and different from the pony Celestia.

[Silver Stream. 708]

They don't. The kind of rules around the human world would eventually spill into the press, law and government. No parent would stand still with a school wrought with so much peril. Lot of news would leak about on what happened there. Celestia covering that up would actually make her look like a bad guy and different from the pony Celestia.

 

Just gonna address part of that with this: 

 

 

And this pretty much proves my point exactly when these sort of plot holes are expected or desired to be filled. Because while it's nothing wrong to point them out, it's unfair to desire that type of thing to happen knowing well it would kill future plots and movies. It would have made it pointless to make the movies in the first place unless that's really what you're implying: Equestria Girls was a mistake in the first place. Otherwise, I can respect that seeing a few others feel the same way 

 

In addition to that, if Celestia covering that up in the human world makes her look like a bad guy, then it'll do the same for her in the pony world. A queen who brushes off the possible dangers of ponies doesn't really scream "good guy" in my opinion. Sure magic is accepted in Equestria but in both worlds....crimes are still crimes. These plot holes are a bit unsettling....yes....but does it really make sense to truly expect them to happen knowing what sort of consequences it'll lead to?

 

And I feel as though you're only looking at that part rather all of what else was said. My inclusion of the pony world wasn't even the focus of my opinion 

[cider float 2,538]

Just gonna address part of that with this: 

 

 

In addition to that, if Celestia covering that up in the human world makes her look like a bad guy, then it'll do the same for her in the pony world. A queen who brushes off the possible dangers of ponies doesn't really scream "good guy" in my opinion. Sure magic is accepted in Equestria but in both worlds....crimes are still crimes. These plot holes are a bit unsettling....yes....but does it really make sense to truly expect them to happen knowing what sort of consequences it'll lead to?

 

And I feel as though you're only looking at that part rather all of what else was said. My inclusion of the pony world wasn't even the focus of my opinion 

They could easily make up anything else. Sunset Shimmer has been generally a boring character for me.

 

She never struggled or did anything to rise up against antagonism. All I hear her is whine and whine about how her school won't forget about what she did (I mean no shit), but only once did we see the Canterlot High students act dismissive towards her when she wanted to help them move some stuff and that's it. She didn't suffer from bullying, they didn't throw tomatoes at her, generally the way Twilight was treated by the Canterlot High in the beginning by being laughed at or given the "what a weirdo stare" was a lot more defining on the struggle for Twilight to fit in. Every time Sunset Shimmer was with the mane six all she does is whine and whine and then the mane six comfort her then all I could do watching that is gag at such a generic scene with no emotional attachment.

 

Then Sunset Shimmer gets into the same predicament that Twilight has already gone through. Investigating the weird magic going on and try to figure out how to fix it and end up unable to do it... the third movie just gave the same role Twilight had on the first one to Sunset Shimmer. Been there done that, yeah yeah Sunset Shimmer the answer to this magic problem was to get help from friends... like in the first movie.

Edited October 22, 2015 by cider float

[Silver Stream. 708]

They could easily make up anything else. Sunset Shimmer has been generally a boring character for me.

 

She never struggled or did anything to rise up against antagonism. All I hear her is whine and whine about how her school won't forget about what she did (I mean no shit), but only once did we see the Canterlot High students act dismissive towards her when she wanted to help them move some stuff and that's it. She didn't suffer from bullying, they didn't throw tomatoes at her, generally the way Twilight was treated by the Canterlot High in the beginning by being laughed at or given the "what a weirdo stare" was a lot more defining on the struggle for Twilight to fit in. Every time Sunset Shimmer was with the mane six all she does is whine and whine and then the mane six comfort her then all I could do watching that is gag at such a generic scene with no emotional attachment.

 

Then Sunset Shimmer gets into the same predicament that Twilight has already gone through. Investigating the weird magic going on and try to figure out how to fix it and end up unable to do it... the third movie just gave the same role Twilight had on the first one to Sunset Shimmer. Been there done that, yeah yeah Sunset Shimmer the answer to this magic problem was to get help from friends... like in the first movie.

 

 

  HaHa! Biingo! I figured as much that this was your biggest issue than "why wasn't sunset arrested or expelled" because that sort of question was unfair to ask (in my opinion) without including Midnight Sparkle, snips and snails, and the Dazzlings  and even TRIXIE into the discussion. You targeted ONLY Sunset in this question because you personally feel as though she is a boring and annoying character in general. And while I'm tempted to point out a few faults in that post about sunset, I will still only stick with the topic of this message....as my intentions were not to veer the topic off track. Besides, I can dig you don't like her, not everyone does

 

In response to you claiming their are other easy solutions to fill in the plot hole of magic not attracting legal authorities and giving villains a harsh and realistic punishment, I'm sure they are!  though I've yet to encounter anyone who reveals one to prove their point. Mmmm I think I remember someone mentioning a good plot hole filler but I fail to remember what it was.  

Edited October 22, 2015 by Princess Sunset