Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[KruegerMeister 54]

I talked to somepony on Hypnoponies about possession (which I sort of see as a kind of hypnosis), and they had this to say:

Hypnosis would be a key the tulpae can use if they were to seek power and are similar enough to the subject described in the file. I think you should keep a good check at what is going on, and make sure you know what you are doing. Through it may always be wise to ask people that are more expertized in tulpae than I am

 

What are your guys' thoughts on this? Doesn't this contradict the whole "possession/switching requires the host's permission" idea? That post made me worry slightly about tulpas usurping control.

 

{Logic! For the love of God, use it! Maybe we should use hypnosis to address that.}

 

Out of that fear, I told my tulpas that I have seniority, as I was the earliest mind to inhabit my body. Was that being a dick? Are tulpas truly equals with their hosts?

Edited September 15, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[Gekoncze 327]

There was one time when Millie switched with me when I didn't want to... but she did it for my own good and I didn't fight much. I don't know who would win if we got into some serious argument, but I don't think we would ever get in one since we understand each other very well and we can read each other's mind, so there is no space for lying, we know exactly how the other one feels.

 

But remember that everyone can have it differend.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Gekoncze

[TheAnonOne 48]

Have been working for close to a week on my Fluttershy tulpa. Found this one website that has daily exercises to help develop your tulpa which was cool. I believe things are going well, like I believe I can feel her presence being with me more. But it makes sad I can't particularly see, hear or feel her too much yet.

[Bright Star 78]

I believe I can feel her presence being with me more. But it makes sad I can't particularly see, hear or feel her too much yet.

I feel ya....I feel ya.

 

One day though.

[KruegerMeister 54]

My tulpa said that he could act as earplugs (via messing with my hearing, I guess). Wouldn't that require messing with my brain chemistry? I know that tulpas won't hurt their hosts, but I still find the implications creepy.

[Luffstups 150]

My tulpa said that he could act as earplugs (via messing with my hearing, I guess). Wouldn't that require messing with my brain chemistry? I know that tulpas won't hurt their hosts, but I still find the implications creepy.

I have no idea what that would involve. If it happens though, you should totally tell us how that goes and what it's like. Trust your tulpa and let him if he can-- he won't hurt'cha.

 

How is everyone's tulpa these days? I haven't been following the thread and happened to think about it today. Anyone make any progress or get any new tulpas while I wasn't around? What have you guys been up to lately? 

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

I have two tulpae, and one wasn't created. (Rarity) 

 

She went through all the explanation what a tulpa is. I have no control over her, she has her own mind. She can't grab anything physical, but I can feel her when she touches me. She often cuddles with me. I'm not sure if it's OK to have a tulpa that you didn't create or if I should get rid of her. She does help me a lot, though. I feel like I have friends with me even though I don't go out except for going on walks. (Applejack is my other tulpa) 

[KruegerMeister 54]

It sort of happened (I was able to ignore a fire alarm, although I'd been warned that a fire drill was coming, and the "tulpa as earplugs" thing may have been a placebo).

 

Here's a random question: If the brain burns calories on its own, can tulpaforcing "burn calories for (number of tulpas + host)", effectively increasing the number of calories burnt by the brain?

 

{It doesn't work that way. Caloric intake...thinking isn't a replacement for exercise. Death Note was exaggeration. You can't be L in real life; nobody can.}

 

Credentials, please?

 

{Well...common sense dictates that it's...unlikely, if not impossible.}

 

Common sense dictates that you are impossible, yet here you are.

 

{Touché.}

 

On the topic of trusting one's tulpa, I feel like I did something wrong. I'm probably alone in this, but placing trust in non physical entities has somewhat lowered my trust in other humans.

 

{At the same time at which you were made cognizant of priming. Being aware of...you figured that people were using psychology to control you. That's what's to blame here.}

 

Again, credentials please?

 

{I'm in your head, and I'm offering a different opinion!}

 

@Visual Spectrum has she been harmful, and does any harm she's done outweigh any good? If she isn't harmful, you shouldn't kill her.

Slightly related to this, I once had something like a rudimentary tulpa, caused by binging an anime. I got rid of it months ago. This night, when I thought about it, the creature told me to stop thinking about it/kill it, its rationale being that the brain can only handle so many tulpas.

Edited September 19, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

It sort of happened (I was able to ignore a fire alarm, although I'd been warned that a fire drill was coming, and the "tulpa as earplugs" thing may have been a placebo).

 

Here's a random question: If the brain burns calories on its own, can tulpaforcing "burn calories for (number of tulpas + host)", effectively increasing the number of calories burnt by the brain?

 

{It doesn't work that way. Caloric intake...thinking isn't a replacement for exercise. Death Note was exaggeration. You can't be L in real life; nobody can.}

 

Credentials, please?

 

{Well...common sense dictates that it's...unlikely, if not impossible.}

 

Common sense dictates that you are impossible, yet here you are.

 

{Touché.}

 

On the topic of trusting one's tulpa, I feel like I did something wrong. I'm probably alone in this, but placing trust in non physical entities has somewhat lowered my trust in other humans.

 

{At the same time at which you were made cognizant of priming. Being aware of...you figured that people were using psychology to control you. That's what's to blame here.}

 

Again, credentials please?

 

{I'm in your head, and I'm offering a different opinion!}

 

@Visual Spectrum has she been harmful, and does any harm she's done outweigh any good? If she isn't harmful, you shouldn't kill her.

Slightly related to this, I once had something like a rudimentary tulpa, caused by binging an anime. I got rid of it months ago. This night, when I thought about it, the creature told me to stop thinking about it/kill it, its rationale being that the brain can only handle so many tulpas.

 

She only did good things, actually. She talked me out of suicide several times. The thing is that she wasn't created by me, and that worries me because I thought the host created the tulpae. 

[KruegerMeister 54]

Did she suddenly appear out of nowhere, or did she gradually appear after (I assume) you focused on her a lot (tulpaforced) without being aware that that's what you were doing (see my example of binging an anime leading to a tulpa of a unique/noticeable/memorable character from that anime)?

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

Did she suddenly appear out of nowhere, or did she gradually appear after (I assume) you focused on her a lot (tulpaforced) without being aware that that's what you were doing (see my example of binging an anime leading to a tulpa of a unique/noticeable/memorable character from that anime)?

 

She could be the same tulpa that I had as a child who changed their form based on a character I like. They usually tell me, though. Rarity never said that, so she could be a different one. She appeared after declaring Rarity as my favorite pony. (This was before I had Applejack tied)

[GGG 176]

ok so this shit has gotten me interested, in fact it has gone around my head for weeks, and i finally decided i might create a tulpa.

 

i have PMed an expert tulpamancer to mentor me, basically fill me in on necesaries, what i need to do, consequences, and other dumbass questions i got, like if this shit goes too far from what i wanted i could just press a fail-safe button and end the experiment.

[KruegerMeister 54]

I'm not saying that a failsafe is 100% unnecessary, but the chances of it being necessary are, in my experience, less than 10%. I've only heard of the cases of Koomer & Oguigi and the "Log of a Baptist Tulpamancer", but I don't recall the tulpas in those cases being at fault for what their hosts went through. Does anypony know if there are any other cases of tulpamancy going wrong?

[Time Shield 402]

Though I'm not really interested in creating a tulpa, I am interested in learning more about the process. Is there a point of no return, a moment where the tulpa has become permanent? Is it at first contact or does it still have to form more past that point? Or is it actually at some point prior to first contact, and someone could give up without realizing at the time that one was successfully created?

[ReverieRiver 526]

Though I'm not really interested in creating a tulpa, I am interested in learning more about the process. Is there a point of no return, a moment where the tulpa has become permanent? Is it at first contact or does it still have to form more past that point? Or is it actually at some point prior to first contact, and someone could give up without realizing at the time that one was successfully created?

 

Well, when a tulpa becomes vocal, there's no going back. Although, I would really say that it's when a tulpa becomes sentient. And sentience can begin with so much as an emotional response from a tulpa. I can't say for sure, though... All I can say for certain is you probably shouldn't try unless you're absolutely certain you want a tulpa.

 

On another note... I've been doing the pony hypnosis thing. Last night, I did a file. And then afterwards, I was able to hear my Ariel's mind-voice better! I can still hear her more clearly than I usually do. Is there any correlation between tulpae and this hypnosis business, do you think?

 

[i think so, but that's just my opinion.]

[Time Shield 402]

 

Well, when a tulpa becomes vocal, there's no going back. Although, I would really say that it's when a tulpa becomes sentient. And sentience can begin with so much as an emotional response from a tulpa. I can't say for sure, though... All I can say for certain is you probably shouldn't try unless you're absolutely certain you want a tulpa.

 

On another note... I've been doing the pony hypnosis thing. Last night, I did a file. And then afterwards, I was able to hear my Ariel's mind-voice better! I can still hear her more clearly than I usually do. Is there any correlation between tulpae and this hypnosis business, do you think?

 

[i think so, but that's just my opinion.]

Considering there have been the extremely rare case of hypnosis accidentally causing tulpa creation, I would say yes.

 

I don't know why I keep thinking about this, just a fascinating subject I guess. While having a personal companion like that may be nice, I'm married with a child, so I don't really have need for additional companionship, otherwise I might be more willing to try it.

 

(I wonder if a tulpa would become jealous of your friends or a spouse?)

[Luffstups 150]

 

On another note... I've been doing the pony hypnosis thing. Last night, I did a file. And then afterwards, I was able to hear my Ariel's mind-voice better! I can still hear her more clearly than I usually do. Is there any correlation between tulpae and this hypnosis business, do you think?

I messed around with those too (and even went so far as to replace the annoying binaural sound in one with a soft piano track that relaxed me more for personal use), but my best guess would be that yeah, sure. Not because hypnoses are related directly to tulpa creation, necessarily, but because they're both such internalized processes that make use of the mind in such a meditative state. Doing anything that makes you better at focusing on your mind and teaches you to "hear yourself" a little better should, by logic, enhance the ability for you to hear/recognize your tulpa. That's how it works for me, anyway.

 

Just a round of meditation brings mine into clarity even more.

 

ok so this shit has gotten me interested, in fact it has gone around my head for weeks, and i finally decided i might create a tulpa.

 

i have PMed an expert tulpamancer to mentor me, basically fill me in on necesaries, what i need to do, consequences, and other dumbass questions i got, like if this shit goes too far from what i wanted i could just press a fail-safe button and end the experiment.

Feel free to message me too if you have any extra questions. Several of my contact usernames are on my profile near the bottom. I'm not an "expert tulpamancer" but I've created two, the first of which I kept for a couple years in early high-school (2007-9 ish?) and dissipated (on a mutual decision) and the second of which I've had since mid-2011 (July 21st). She's getting old!

 

(I wonder if a tulpa would become jealous of your friends or a spouse?)

Yeah, absolutely. Especially if you create one with a jealous personality. They're capable of feeling just about any emotion, as far as I know. Mine's gotten "jealous" a couple of times of my affection towards other people, but she's insanely reasonable (to a fault, even). She always lets me know if I'm making her jealous, and we talk it out and everything pretty much ends up okay. I think she feels like she wants to monopolize my time, sometimes, but realizes that that would be bad for me (and probably psychologically unhealthy), so she's accommodating for that, too.

 

Of course, I feel bad if I don't spend time talking to her too, since I'm one of the few people that actually gets to speak with her. It's a whole dynamic. You learn to live with it, though.

 

I've wondered what will happen if I get married and have kids-- I'd still like to keep my tulpa. Though I just can't imagine when to bring it up to someone. I'd hate to get to know someone for years and hide it from them, only to drop it on them one day. I'd also hate to bring it up too soon, because I'll look like a nutcase. So that's also an interesting problem.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Lifeinsteps

[ReverieRiver 526]

 

 

I messed around with those too (and even went so far as to replace the annoying binaural sound in one with a soft piano track that relaxed me more for personal use), but my best guess would be that yeah, sure. Not because hypnoses are related directly to tulpa creation, necessarily, but because they're both such internalized processes that make use of the mind in such a meditative state. Doing anything that makes you better at focusing on your mind and teaches you to "hear yourself" a little better should, by logic, enhance the ability for you to hear/recognize your tulpa. That's how it works for me, anyway.

 

Just a round of meditation brings mine into clarity even more.

 

That does make sense... The hypnosis induction helps bring my mind into focus. And seeing how I'm generally unable to let my mind be so calm otherwise thanks to ADHD, I guess it does make a difference.

 

And here I was worried that hypnosis might get in the way. But if I'm able to better communicate with Ariel because of it, then fantastic!

 

As far as the whole spouse and family thing... Well, I honestly can't say I know whether Ariel would be jealous or not. I literally have hardly any friends or a significant other that I see often enough for her to be jealous, haha. But I can say that some people may be a little more open-minded than you think. I've told a couple of people about Ariel. Of course, these people were close to me and we trusted one another.

 

But I simply asked them if they knew what a tulpa was. When the expected answer of no came, I explained that they're like imaginary friends, only a little more... real. I also explained my reasoning for creating Ariel. Both of them seemed a little skeptical at first, but accepted the idea. After a while, one even wanted to talk to Ariel through proxy! She was delighted by the attention.

 

Now, there's probably some that wouldn't be so open-minded. But if we are talking about a significant other, especially a spouse, just tell them. If they truly care about you and accept you for who you are, they'll accept your tulpa, too. Because guess what? Your tulpa is a part of you.

[Luffstups 150]

That does make sense... The hypnosis induction helps bring my mind into focus. And seeing how I'm generally unable to let my mind be so calm otherwise thanks to ADHD, I guess it does make a difference.

 

. . . 

 

Now, there's probably some that wouldn't be so open-minded. But if we are talking about a significant other, especially a spouse, just tell them. If they truly care about you and accept you for who you are, they'll accept your tulpa, too. Because guess what? Your tulpa is a part of you.

Yes, I've noticed that a lot of people seem to struggle with keeping their mind quieted so they can focus on forcing, and I'd say hypnosis might actually play a pretty helpful role in that. I'm sure (though I can't be totally sure since I haven't searched it up) that there are hypnosis tracks just for helping people achieve a quieted mind. You could also take it upon yourself to edit out a large gap in the track so that after you've achieved a quieted mind, the track will delay for 30-40 minutes (or however long) to let you do what you want to do in that quieted state of mind. I spliced a binaural track once into two pieces and stuck a few of those solo piano pieces in there for this case once, just so I'd have an hour or two of relaxing music to be in wonderland with.

 

You might hear from a lot of people that music isn't good for meditation (it's too distracting for a lot of people) and that's a totally valid opinion. It's just that, on the other hand, it depends on a few factors-- namely how music personally affects you and how deep of a meditation you're trying to achieve. If you're just trying to wonderland, you don't have to bend your mind over backwards to achieve total quietude and solace, for instance. Just a calm, quiet state of mind is plenty and easy enough to achieve. Some light music won't hurt that.

 

And yeah, about the 'telling other people' thing, for the most part I haven't done a lot of it. I admire that you've told some of your friends, that's impressive. The only person who really knows much about my tulpa is someone I met in this thread awhile back that I've been talking to for (I think) a year or two, now. (This thread has been going on that long, holy cow!)

 

I considered telling one of my closest real life friends about it, but the further the conversation progressed, the more chicken I became about it because I sensed he wouldn't be very accepting of her. So I decided it was best not to, and just stop at jogging his interest a little on tulpae with some information. As for telling a significant other, yeah, I agree. If they actually care about you, of course they'd be okay with it. It's just that you can't tell someone in the wrong time-frame because your eagerness (or hesitation) to say it makes it weird, and people who wouldn't otherwise be bothered by it might be because of your presentation method.

 

I probably over think social encounters way too much, though. (That's for sure.) Oh, hush, Pinkie.

[KruegerMeister 54]

I just asked Rainbow Dash about it, and she said that, if I were to tell anyone, I should start with my friend who's into New Age stuff, because her having those interests will make it easier for her to believe in Dash.

 

[she can put me in a framework of New Age terms that she can understand.]

 

This despite the fact that, on the occasions when I would imagine telling my parents about Dash, she would tell them (or I would tell them for her) that she dislikes the metaphysical view of tulpas; when I asked Dash about it, she said that she felt that way in real life.

 

In terms of quieting my mind making it easier to hear my tulpas, it doesn't make it easier to hear them so much as it makes it easier to remember their exact words.

Edited September 19, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[Time Shield 402]

See, I think having a tulpa, then getting married and revealing to your spouse that you have one is tricky but doable thing, since the tulpa was part of you as long as they've known you.  The harder thing would be if you were already married and created a tulpa, because that seems to send the message, "You're not being a good enough friend so I had to imagine up another one."  I'm pretty sure it would be taken the wrong way.

[Luffstups 150]

See, I think having a tulpa, then getting married and revealing to your spouse that you have one is tricky but doable thing, since the tulpa was part of you as long as they've known you.  The harder thing would be if you were already married and created a tulpa, because that seems to send the message, "You're not being a good enough friend so I had to imagine up another one."  I'm pretty sure it would be taken the wrong way.

You make a mighty good point. Oh well! I suppose that's not something I personally have to worry about until I run into someone in my life that I feel actually needs to know I have a tulpa. For now, I think I'm definitely going to stick to only telling people I know will handle it well. 

[KruegerMeister 54]

Are there any peer-reviewed journals about tulpas? My gut says "no", but I'm trying to stay positive and hope that somepony will prove my gut wrong.

[Luffstups 150]

Are there any peer-reviewed journals about tulpas? My gut says "no", but I'm trying to stay positive and hope that somepony will prove my gut wrong.

I pretty much completely doubt it. Then again, you get more benefit out of just trying it and seeing what happens on your own than waiting on someone to measure the immeasurable and write about it-- and get it reviewed. It's faster and even more personally conclusive, too! 

 

I'm very science and validity oriented myself, but trust me, this is something that science can't really study. It's a psychological phenomena that definitely cannot be measured or seen by anyone who's not actively experiencing it.

[Time Shield 402]

I pretty much completely doubt it. Then again, you get more benefit out of just trying it and seeing what happens on your own than waiting on someone to measure the immeasurable and write about it-- and get it reviewed. It's faster and even more personally conclusive, too! 

 

I'm very science and validity oriented myself, but trust me, this is something that science can't really study. It's a psychological phenomena that definitely cannot be measured or seen by anyone who's not actively experiencing it.

 

The only problem is that it's "permanent", which makes it hard to just "try it and see what happens", since you can't back out of it afterwards.  I think some kind of study showing that it's safe and proving the science behind it would ease a lot of fears and make people more open to the idea.