Do You Like Sci-Twi?

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"I think Sci-Twi is...actually an alright character."

                                - The guy that 4 years ago had his Reactor #4 exploded in this matter

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Light Blade

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2 hours ago, Rikifive said:

I absolutely dislike her. 

Other EQG characters are accurate to their pony counterparts. Sci-Twi however, is insanely different than Twilight Sparkle is and I don't like it. I'd very much prefer the Twilight we know over Sci-Twi. Watching the next movies was simply weird because of that. I can't get used to her.

She is kinda an egghead, but come on... They got rid of her personality and left only the egghead part.

As a different character she'd be okay, but as someone who's supposed to represent Twilight, absolute nope, sorry. 

I find her more Twilight-esque in the short series, thankfully.

1 hour ago, Princess of Bolts ⚡🔥⚡ said:

I honestly preferred Sci-twi than to the human Twilight we saw in EQG films 1 and 2. It;s more interesting seeing this different Twilight than having the twilight we already saw in FIM. 

It wouldn't need to be exact. It'd still be a Twilight that had never known magic but always knew computers, it'd still be a Twilight who is currently in high school, and it'd still be a Twilight without a grand destiny hanging over her. You could have all of that without making her so shy and reserved - at times, SciTwi doesn't seem like Twilight Sparkle at all, and at that point why call her that? Especially since later parts of the series reduced the differences somewhat. 

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2 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I find her more Twilight-esque in the short series, thankfully.

It wouldn't need to be exact. It'd still be a Twilight that had never known magic but always knew computers, it'd still be a Twilight who is currently in high school, and it'd still be a Twilight without a grand destiny hanging over her. You could have all of that without making her so shy and reserved - at times, SciTwi doesn't seem like Twilight Sparkle at all, and at that point why call her that? Especially since later parts of the series reduced the differences somewhat. 

I relate more to the shy and reserved genius of Sci-Twi than the socially confident character of pony twilight. That may be why I prefer Sci-Twi

Edited May 21, 2020 by Princess of Bolts ⚡🔥⚡

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1 minute ago, Princess of Bolts ⚡🔥⚡ said:

I relate more to the shy and reserved genius of Sci-Twi than the socially confident character of pony twilight. That may be why I prefer Sci-Twi

Fair enough. There are aspects of Sci-Twi that I relate more to as well. 

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14 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

SciTwi doesn't seem like Twilight Sparkle at all, and at that point why call her that? Especially since later parts of the series reduced the differences somewhat. 

Because the implication is that pony Twilightt would have ended up like that without the self-esteem boost of being the Princess's personal student. (Her human counterpart receives a similar boost from her friendships and being a magical girl, hence their increased similarity over time.)

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2 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Because the implication is that pony Twilightt would have ended up like that without the self-esteem boost of being the Princess's personal student.

Hmm, I dunno if I'm convinced by that; we know that SciTwi was academically successful, and being the princess's student doesn't seem to have been enough to make Twilight particularly friendly. I always thought the Crystal Prep environment would have been just as likely to make her callous. 

On the other hand, I do think SciTwi's embrace of friendship was a little more natural than pony Twilight's; after all, Friendship is Magic was pretty quick to ditch the implication that she was an isolated shut-in. 

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1 hour ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I find her more Twilight-esque in the short series, thankfully.

Hmm yeah, things get a bit better later.

1 hour ago, AlexanderThrond said:

It wouldn't need to be exact. It'd still be a Twilight that had never known magic but always knew computers, it'd still be a Twilight who is currently in high school, and it'd still be a Twilight without a grand destiny hanging over her. You could have all of that without making her so shy and reserved - at times, SciTwi doesn't seem like Twilight Sparkle at all, and at that point why call her that? Especially since later parts of the series reduced the differences somewhat. 

This is exactly what I wanted to say, when I mentioned, that the same Twilight could normally work and that Sci-Twi doesn't make much of a difference, if any in regards to story.

So I totally agree with this.

1 hour ago, Princess of Bolts ⚡🔥⚡ said:

I relate more to the shy and reserved genius of Sci-Twi than the socially confident character of pony twilight. That may be why I prefer Sci-Twi

That is understandable and actually I was thinking that is the case for you and most likely many others.

Though to make it super clear, I don't dislike her as a character, I dislike the fact, that she's supposed to be Twilight, but she's not.

If she was introduced as a new character, I'd totally like her, really. But whenever I think that she's apparently supposed to be Twilight, I want the real Twilight back.  My preferences aside, I want Twilight to be Twilight.

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How could I not like Sci-Twi?! She reminds me a lot of the older seasons Twilight, when pony Twiggles was still just a Unicorn. In my opinion, while current Princess Twilight is of course absolutely adorable and fantastic, I really did like when pony Twiggles used to be a little more nerdy and bookish, which Sci-Twi reminds me a lot of that older Twilight. 

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I don't see anything wrong with her to be honest. Sure, she doesn't have the same impact as Sunset had, but she has her own unique charms. Also, she harkens back to the time before Princess Twilight became an alicorn.

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8 hours ago, Rikifive said:

I absolutely dislike her. 

Other EQG characters are accurate to their pony counterparts. Sci-Twi however, is insanely different than Twilight Sparkle is and I don't like it. I'd very much prefer the Twilight we know over Sci-Twi. Watching the next movies was simply weird because of that. I can't get used to her.

She is kinda an egghead, but come on... They got rid of her personality and left only the egghead part.

As a different character she'd be okay, but as someone who's supposed to represent Twilight, absolute nope, sorry. 

I don't dislike her, but i do agree with the rest. I think the entire movie she appeared in was odd, and there wasn't much consistency between the characters and their pony versions.

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4 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Hmm, I dunno if I'm convinced by that; we know that SciTwi was academically successful, and being the princess's student doesn't seem to have been enough to make Twilight particularly friendly. I always thought the Crystal Prep environment would have been just as likely to make her callous. 

On the other hand, I do think SciTwi's embrace of friendship was a little more natural than pony Twilight's; after all, Friendship is Magic was pretty quick to ditch the implication that she was an isolated shut-in. 

Sucessful, yes, but among an elite class where networkig and such mattered and academic skill alone just made you someone to be used. She avoided callousness bi shunning human contact - her big goal was to studu without other people at all. And she has no guiding mentor, save perhpas Dean Cadance.  

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Sucessful, yes, but among an elite class where networkig and such mattered and academic skill alone just made you someone to be used. She avoided callousness bi shunning human contact - her big goal was to studu without other people at all. And she has no guiding mentor, save perhpas Dean Cadance.  

I remain unconvinced that this is the most likely environment for Twilight to end up in if she didn't have Princess Celestia's guidance, which is why her personality differences seem arbitrary to me. The curious thing is that SciTwi seems more empathetic than pony Twilight was at the start of the show, and so I'm also not convinced that would be the most likely way for her to react to such an environment. But then again pony Twi opened up very quickly. 

The idea of "Twilight if she wasn't the personal student of an actual princess" is very interesting to me, especially because it lets her be an introverted nerd instead of the Chosen one - hence why I like SciTwi's later appearances so much. But that's also why I was grumpy when she was unrecognizable in earlier Equestria Girls films and specials. 

I can't help but wonder about Dean Cadance's role in Twilight's education. If she was willing to work there, maybe there were other decent people to set a positive example as well. But it doesn't seem that Twilight had a favourite teacher who was unexpectedly nice or anything like that. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by AlexanderThrond

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Sci-Twi is my favorite of the human Mane 6. Unlike the others, she's actually quite distinct from her pony counterpart, even after being introduced to the magic of friendship.

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1 hour ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I remain unconvinced that this is the most likely environment for Twilight to end up in if she didn't have Princess Celestia's guidance, which is why her personality differences seem arbitrary to me.

What's unlikely about her attending an elite academi? Given her intelligence and class, anithig else would be odd.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

What's unlikely about her attending an elite academi? Given her intelligence and class, anithig else would be odd.

I don't know too much about elite academies but I've always gotten the sense that they're usually like that...

But, I dunno, I feel like Twilight would have internalized the environment a bit more - that maybe the results would be more like how she was at the start of the show; there was plenty to be confident about even the environment was generally negative, and clearly there are folks like Cadance there to encourage her. There were only like two occasions were it really bothered me - I didn't even mind "Friendship Games" - but I do feel it was taken too far sometimes; Twilight should be Twilight. 

It's just hard for me to imagine Twilight Sparkle as a doormat. That's the kind of change that makes it hard to view them as the same character. And I like that everyone else is mostly the same. I think that's interesting enough, and it suits the format. I view Equestria Girls as basically an extension of Friendship is Magic so I do hope for consistency, even though these characters are technically different. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by AlexanderThrond

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18 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I don't know too much about elite academies but I've always gotten the sense that they're usually like that...

But, I dunno, I feel like Twilight would have internalized the environment a bit more - that maybe the results would be more like how she was at the start of the show; there was plenty to be confident about even the environment was generally negative, and clearly there are folks like Cadance there to encourage her. There were only like two occasions were it really bothered me - I didn't even mind "Friendship Games" - but I do feel it was taken too far sometimes; Twilight should be Twilight. 

It's just hard for me to imagine Twilight Sparkle as a doormat. That's the kind of change that makes it hard to view them as the same character. And I like that everyone else is mostly the same. I think that's interesting enough, and it suits the format. I view Equestria Girls as basically an extension of Friendship is Magic so I do hope for consistency, even though these characters are technically different. 

Uou don't think Celestia's mentorship had a powerful effect on Twilight, and particularlu to her self-esteem? Being told so young that her power was unmatched in a millennium, then further tutored under her beloved goddess...  it would be rather peculiar if she would turn out the same under Cinch's regime.

Edited May 22, 2020 by Latecomer

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1 minute ago, Latecomer said:

Uou don't think Celestia's mentorship had a powerful effect on Kwilight, and particularlu to her self-esteem? Being told so young that her power was unmatched in a millennium, then further tutored under her beloved goddess...  it would be rather peculiar if she would turn out the same under Cinch's regime.

Surely not to the extent that she's almost a completely different person without it. 

And I don't want to overstate my case here as I do like "Friendship Games" a fair amount but Crystal Prep didn't need to be that bad, a fact proven by Cadance turning it around after Cinch was gone. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by AlexanderThrond

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1 minute ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Surely not to the extent that she's almost a completely different person without it. 

Twilight was probably Celestia's student longer than she wasn't. I think the keu point is that she ended up tuing almost all her self-worth into that - so disappointing the Princess is the worst thing ever, but she's not worried whav anione else thinks of her (except inasmuch as it might bring shame to the Pricess).It's kind of a stavus thing, too - both Twilight's were born fairly privileged, ,but only one was singled out on top of that.

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2 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Twilight was probably Celestia's student longer than she wasn't. I think the keu point is that she ended up tuing almost all her self-worth into that - so disappointing the Princess is the worst thing ever, but she's not worried whav anione else thinks of her (except inasmuch as it might bring shame to the Pricess).

I think it's just as plausible that SciTwi wouldn't have cared what others thought about her. Honestly I think you're attributing too much of Twilight's personality to Celestia; it's my opinion that Twilight reacted to Celestia in that way because that's just who she is, and if it wasn't Celestia it would be something else.

8 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

It's kind of a stavus thing, too - both Twilight's were born fairly privileged, ,but only one was singled out on top of that.

I really don't think status had anything to do with it. 

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4 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I think it's just as plausible that SciTwi wouldn't have cared what others thought about her. Honestly I think you're attributing too much of Twilight's personality to Celestia; it's my opinion that Twilight reacted to Celestia in that way because that's just who she is, and if it wasn't Celestia it would be something else.

I really don't think status had anything to do with it. 

Well, I knid of consider SciTwi proof to the contraru? But even before that, it seemed obvious that being the personal student of the most important pony in Equestria had had a major influence on Twilight's self-perception andn behaviour.

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7 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Well, I knid of consider SciTwi proof to the contraru? But even before that, it seemed obvious that being the personal student of the most important pony in Equestria had had a major influence on Twilight's self-perception andn behaviour.

Well, I think the extent to that her personality is different from pony Twilight is exaggerated even considering that - Twilight would still be Twilight without Celestia, I think - but I've made my point. Plus I just think that, in this series, SciTwi should be more Twilight-like as a matter of principle. 

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11 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Well, I think the extent to that her personality is different from pony Twilight is exaggerated even considering that - Twilight would still be Twilight without Celestia, I think - but I've made my point. Plus I just think that, in this series, SciTwi should be more Twilight-like as a matter of principle. 

Well she became similar when exposed to friends. Difference is, for SciTwi they were perhpas even more important. And she was vhe add-on, and burdened with guilt at that - rather than save the world, she'd  near doomed it bi messing with things she shouldn'v. Reallu, that alone would be a big factor in a different intitial avtitude.

(And don't forget Spike - a good dog is great, but he can't be a friend in quite the way another person can.)

 

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Just now, Latecomer said:

And she was vhe add-on, and burdened with guilt at that - rather than save the world, she'd  near doomed it bi messing with things she shouldn'v. Reallu, that alone would be a big factor in a different intitial avtitude.

See that makes more sense to me as a factor in her more passive personality. I didn't really like how that was handled but that was relevant for like one movie so that's another conversation entirely. Wonder if we would be having this conversation if I liked that movie... 

In any case she became more Twilight-esque as she went on and I would have liked to see her develop further in that direction in the third season we never got. 

3 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

(And don't forget Spike - a good dog is great, but he can't be a friend in quite the way another person can.)

The obvious joke here would be that dogs are superior to people. 

In all seriousness, it makes me wonder exactly what Twilight meant in the pilot when she said she didn't need friends... then again, there's a lot of ambiguity about her history with Spike. 

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8 hours ago, Super Splashee said:

I don't dislike her, but i do agree with the rest. I think the entire movie she appeared in was odd, and there wasn't much consistency between the characters and their pony versions.

Heh I edited my first post to make things a bit more clear.  It's not that I don't like her as a character, I just dislike the fact, that she's supposed to be Twilight. I definitely preferred the first design. 

The third movie was really odd; The worst of EQG movies in my opinion. 

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38 minutes ago, Rikifive said:

Heh I edited my first post to make things a bit more clear.  It's not that I don't like her as a character, I just dislike the fact, that she's supposed to be Twilight. I definitely preferred the first design. 

The third movie was really odd; The worst of EQG movies in my opinion. 

The third film was my favourite out of the EGQ films. Uno what would have been more fun, if Midnight Sparkle and Sunset had some mega battle at the end, instead of that little confrontation that we saw.