searching [OOC] The Æther Project

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@-Solstice-

Sounds good, I'll think up some things to do and have her introduced in my next post.

[Starforce 28]

1 minute ago, Illiad Easle said:

@-Solstice-

Sounds good, I'll think up some things to do and have her introduced in my next post.

So to clarify her timeline here, I imagine that she became the pilot of the Project itself, and would Pilot other smaller things down to the surface when she was not on duty for the piloting of the Project, while also doubling as a guard for the navigation area to cover time that she was doing neither. 

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@-Solstice-

Let's say she came on board the Project during one of the first cycles, so she's been here for about four years now since we're in year five of the Project being in the air. One of her first jobs was being a guard, and eventually she was transferred to guard Navigation, then she was trained to be a pilot first learning to help fly the Project, but after a while it was clear that she wasn't very good at it, so they moved to train her in piloting smaller craft. (The Project is piloted more like an airplane, with controls, while the smaller craft are piloted more like a glider, with motion.) So she has experience flying the Project and could do it if it were necessary, but her job at the moment is mostly to fly the smaller crafts for the away missions, working as a guard in the hanger area and Navigation when needed.

Does that make sense?

I'm thinking we'll have her start out in the hanger area helping to repair her craft since it, along with several others, got damaged in the sudden stop.

[Starforce 28]

@Illiad Easle

That sounds like a plan to me, and it is realistic. I feel like in the future there could come a situation to where she is required to fly the project. Maybe something happens and various ones are out of commission for whatever reason, she would have seniority over other trainees due to her experience. Would be interesting for RP purposes.

For her first job, I imagine she was guarding in the Hanger area, so she would definitely have experience with that. Due to the amount of time here, she would have been forced to become experienced in what she does due to her job, and doesn't have much else to do besides her jobs, and recreation time, so I would say she is quite good at what she does.

Perhaps she was 21 when she boarded the craft, so she would now be 25. 

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

@Illiad Easle

The lighter the material the easier it breaks especially if the one hitting it is heavier. You know weight also affects power force etc. 

In a way I make it light that it ends up becoming brittle. 

Edited June 21, 2022 by Kujamih

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

Also you lose / use less friction or you have no friction. 

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

Also if I made a piece of it very Light and the rest of it the same, you could easily remove the piece, and if I  "magic" like literal lightness(weight) I guess it doesn't affect its strength? Then again gravity would have an effect on it and friction.... Etc. Which would still make a lighter material weaker than it's heavier version material.

That said.... When we talk about tungsten and other heavier metals.... Tungsten is stronger than them but lighter right? But they are not the same anymore....

BUT if it's against a very light tungsten versus a heavier tungsten... The heavy tungsten would win... 

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@Kujamih

Just about everything you've said refers to MASS, and not WEIGHT. The easiest way to clarify the difference is if you take something into space, it becomes weightless, but doesn't loose any of it's strength because it hasn't lost any of its mass.

In the two other instances in this story when Light made something lighter they didn't get weaker, otherwise both Light and Bisquik would be far more gravely injured, thus I presumed that his 'lightness' magic provided a buoyant force to counteract gravity, not that you were removing mass to make them lighter.

2 hours ago, Kujamih said:

The lighter the material the easier it breaks especially if the one hitting it is heavier.

Titanium is much lighter than gold, but titanium is also much stronger than gold.

2 hours ago, Kujamih said:

You know weight also affects power force etc. 

Force = Mass * Acceleration, Power = (Mass * Acceleration * Displacement) / Time, Weight = Mass * Gravity

2 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Also if I made a piece of it very Light and the rest of it the same, you could easily remove the piece,

That would, at most, allow gravity to supplement your own strength, but you'd still need to overcome the binding forces holding the two parts together.

2 hours ago, Kujamih said:

and if I  "magic" like literal lightness(weight) I guess it doesn't affect its strength?

I don't understand what you're saying here.

 

 

To the best of my understanding, the only way you're making something weaker by making it lighter is if you're stealing it's mass, which means you'll either have to be putting it somewhere or converting it into ungodly amounts of energy, and I'm not sure I'm okay with allowing your character to be capable of generating or storing the amount of energy caused by destroying mass.

I've accepted your previous usages of lightness because they could easily be explained by providing a bouyant force or canceling gravity and in neither case was strength affected.

I hope that makes sense? If I've misunderstood something please clarify.

[Starforce 28]

@Kujamih @Illiad Easle

Let's just make it simple and say that Spiral unlocked the door with her magic, instead of destroying it or doing some complicated mass shifting?

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

I'm not removing it's mass just weight.

15 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

Titanium is much lighter than gold, but titanium is also much stronger than gold. 

Err that's what I'm actually pointing at BUT I'm pointing at is "if it's Light titanium versus heavy titanium is what I'm actually pitting against". And weight can still affect heavily.

for example the reason why some float from water is because IT is lighter than water.

FOr example if I made the soil very very light.... What would happen to anyone standing on it? They'd sink because the weight of the one standing on the ground is heavy. Like if you drop a something on the ground... Yes speed does add umpff to it but weight does that too.

 

there's also a reason why we can't use weapons heavier than us, because we end up lifting ourselves instead of the weapon.

so in a way if the thing is lighter I could easily lift it or pull it out. Hmmmm 🤔

 

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

Or maybe I could just make the door so heavy it sinks to the ground? 

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@Kujamih @-Solstice-

For the purposes of the story, I'm going to let Spiral be the one who gets the door open both because @-Solstice- was the first to offer a solution, and because their solution is more reasonable. In the future please don't try and override or substitute someone else's actions until I have a chance to indicate it's result (For instance I could post that the lock was enchanted and as such Spiral couldn't use her magic to unlock it, THEN someone else could try and open it) or if their action directly involves your character and your character acts in response (For instance if another player attacks you or speaks to you)

 

Continuing the physics discussion, which I would like to preface that I am enjoying it, it's been a while since I've had the chance to discuss physics concepts outside of an academic setting:

Remember, our point of contention is: In what cases adjusting the weight of something can affect it's strength?

7 hours ago, Kujamih said:

I'm not removing it's mass just weight.

Which brings us back to the original question: How? As We established in my previous post, Weight = Mass * Gravity, so in order to remove weight you either need to reduce mass, provide a buoyant force to counteract gravity, or negate the effect of gravity.

I can accept that countering or negating gravity would make a structure weaker IFF that structure were held together by gravity, like a stone tower, it would not make it weaker if it is not held together by gravity, like a sheet of metal. In the first instance it is not the material being made weaker, but rather the bond between the parts of the structure.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

"if it's Light titanium versus heavy titanium is what I'm actually pitting against". And weight can still affect heavily.

Only inasmuch as the difference in weight is caused by a difference in mass. If we take for example a spaceship, as it grows more distant from a planet it's acceleration due to gravity decreases as the force of gravity is dependent on the distance between the objects, referring back to the previous equation for weight, we see that weight decreases as gravity decreases, but has the spaceship grown weaker due to the lack of gravity? Of course not. Similarly a rod of titanium floating out in space, and thus having 0 weight due to having negligible gravity, is no weaker than an equally massive rod of titanium sitting on a planet's surface.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

for example the reason why some float from water is because IT is lighter than water.

Close, this has more to do with Density than weight, though weight does play a role in Density. Steel is clearly heavier than water, yet we build massive ships out of steel and they still float. This is because they are built in such a way as to be less dense than the water they displace.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

FOr example if I made the soil very very light.... What would happen to anyone standing on it? They'd sink because the weight of the one standing on the ground is heavy.

That depends entirely on how you go about making the soil light, if you held a bunch together and provided a buoyant force you could just as easily lift up whatever was standing on top of it. This also brings in the related concept of density which I mentioned earlier, the one standing on top would sink if their density is greater than the new density of the soil. This again does not make the soil in itself weaker but rather weakens the bonds that hold the soil together as they were previously held together in a large part by gravity, thus it is easier to displace. To give a counterexample, if I made a steel plate very light anything standing on top of it would not pass through it because the steel plate is primarily held together by the bonds between the iron atoms it is made of. If I were reducing weight by countering gravity it would potentially lift whatever was standing on it, if I were negating gravity it would simply be held down by whatever was standing on it.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Like if you drop a something on the ground... Yes speed does add umpff to it but weight does that too.

Again, mass, not weight.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

there's also a reason why we can't use weapons heavier than us, because we end up lifting ourselves instead of the weapon.

That depends on the situation, in essence your weight only determines how heavy something can be before you can't pull it towards you, like a Lat Pulldown workout machine. If you set the weight higher than you you'd just lift yourself up unless you braced yourself against the ground or the machine itself by locking your legs through the grips some machines have. However, your weight does not prevent you from lifting something heavier than you up, because you are pushing against the ground in order to lift the object. The heaviest Atlas stone ever lifted was 630 pounds, and the man who lifted it did not weigh nearly that much. Professional bodybuilders regularly will exercise with weights greater than their own for things like a bench press, they can lift those just fine.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

so in a way if the thing is lighter I could easily lift it or pull it out. Hmmmm 🤔

That's true but for a wholly unrelated reason to strength. The lighter something is, the less force is necessary to displace it. In the case of this door you'd still need to overcome the strength of the hinges or what the hinges are mounted to or by to remove the door from it's place.

8 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Or maybe I could just make the door so heavy it sinks to the ground? 

That's another reasonable option, though given the floor is stone it would likely crush the door before it could pass through the floor.

[Starforce 28]

@Illiad Easle

Am curious about this discussion - do you think in Equestria, there is some sort of mass shifting magic of sorts? Like, the ability to shift mass into lesser and greater forms? Didn't @Kujamih do a drawing of the project at some point? I'd like to see that again so I can get a visual reference of it since it's been a while since I've seen that. 

A friend drew her again for me, this is how she'll look in the rp.

Edited June 22, 2022 by -Solstice-

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@-Solstice-

Shifting the mass within the object would be a reasonable answer, I don't that's an unreasonable magic ability, though it would be an advanced spell and require familiarity with the material to use it properly.

She looks good!

[Starforce 28]

@Illiad Easle

That is pretty much as I expected, and thanks! Although I have a few other questions - I am sure you answered these at some point in the past, but who built the project and how long has it existed / how long has Discord's reign existed? I was under the impression that it was only a year or so, in previous situations involving Maud and Trixie. But when we were talking about Merlot, you mentioned 4-5 years, she's been there?

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@-Solstice-

3 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

who built the project

TrUST, (Trojan United Science Trust) which was a scientific organization which sought out the greatest minds from across Equis, but was mainly funded by the Trojan Empire, West Cervidas, and the Griffon Kingdoms.

5 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

how long has it existed / how long has Discord's reign existed?

This is where it gets complicated, the Æther Project has evaded Discord's detection for so long not just because it travels randomly through space, it also jumps between dimensions, though it is locked to dimensions where Discord overthrew Equestria. However, it is not travelling linearly through dimensions so it doesn't always appear at the same relative time to the start of Discord's reign in the dimension it appears in. So while the Project has been traveling for about 5 years now, the length of Discord's reign relative to the project varies. In some dimensions it's just started, in others it's been almost 25 years, and everywhere in between. The general rule of thumb is that the longer Discord's been in power, the fewer refugees there are to rescue. Also, given how Discord manipulates the sun, it's nigh impossible for those being rescued to know exactly how long it's been, so they don't tend to notice when others on the project have a different idea of the length.

Only a few of those in charge have any idea that the Project is traveling between dimensions. Many have theorized about it, but until Thundy and Light showed up they didn't have a way to prove their theories, so that idea is starting to circulate throughout the Research sector, but is still not known to the general populous.

[Starforce 28]

@Illiad Easle

That is very interesting. What is West Cervidas? That name sounds interesting, would like to know more about it.

Would also like to possibly propose for Merlot Cloud, that she was from a dimension where the Trojan Empire did indeed exist, and that she does have some Trojan ancestry in her - perhaps her father's lineage stems back to them, and they moved to Tassletown after only around a generation or so, so in that proposal, Merlot Cloud, and any siblings she had were the halfbreeds of Equestrians and Trojans, and lived in Tassletown. At least as far as my image in my mind, Tassletown was a rather varied town. It was a city, yes, with an industrial center, but there was a large farmland outside of it, but as they were Pegasi, I like to imagine that Merlot Cloud's family were something to do with the weather - probably where her cutie mark came from.

As for shifting through dimensions, I would have never thought that. I was under the impression that they were just in one dimension. This would make sense, so we can say that Maud and Trixie were not of the 'original' dimension, nor was Spiral. They could have been from a dimension where the Trojan Empire does not exist.

I imagine that Merlot Cloud knows of this, and knows that her family is unlikely to be found or saved due to how hard it is to tell what it is between dimensions, so she's accepted her fate, basically, and is very blessed to be the one who ended up piloting the project. I do not know of what her life was like before Discord, so there is still a lot of room to go over possible skills, traits, she may have. She would be relatively skilled with astronomy and such, which may come in hand during navigations, I would figure. Just trying to come up with more ideas here.

Does the project only fly through the atmosphere, or does it actually go up above the atmosphere - into space? 
 

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@-Solstice-

1 minute ago, -Solstice- said:

What is West Cervidas?

West Cervidas was originally part of Cervidas, a country on the eastern continent along with Zebrica, Himillama, and Camelu, primarily inhabited by deer in the west and reindeer in the east. The reindeer imposed a strict hierarchy with themselves over the deer, and so the deer banded together and split off from the reindeer to form West Cervidas and started the Summer War. These countries show up on the map I linked you earlier.

Both reindeer and deer only seasonally have horns, so they can't cast magic year round, but the reindeer specialize in ice magic, while the deer specialize in precise control and machinery. As only the male deer have horns the female deer manifest their magic through a sort of clairvoyance or guiding magic which helps them avoid danger and know what to do in certain situations. I can elaborate further if you want.

7 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

that she was from a dimension where the Trojan Empire did indeed exist, and that she does have some Trojan ancestry in her

That works, Troy is mostly an immigrant nation as it was founded in the middle of the desert, so camels and buffalo would be the only true natives of Troy, most of the permanent residents came there as part of trade caravans but we can just say that her ancestors came to Troy from Equestria originally, and she moved back.

9 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

They could have been from a dimension where the Trojan Empire does not exist.

Even if it did exist, most ponies in Equestria only ever heard of it during/after the Summer War, so if they come from a world where the war didn't happen then they wouldn't have known about it.

11 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

and knows that her family is unlikely to be found or saved

In nearly every instance that the empire existed they created their own version of the Project. So if her family stays alive there's a chance that some other iteration of the project will be able to pick them up. There's also a chance that this Project could pick up another version of her family.

12 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

Does the project only fly through the atmosphere, or does it actually go up above the atmosphere - into space? 

Only in atmosphere, it floats just a bit higher than Cloudsdale used to, any higher and they'd start to run out of oxygen. Part of Navigation's job is to make sure the Project appears somewhere viable before leaving such that they don't end up in space.

[Starforce 28]

@Illiad Easle

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West Cervidas was originally part of Cervidas, a country on the eastern continent along with Zebrica, Himillama, and Camelu, primarily inhabited by deer in the west and reindeer in the east. The reindeer imposed a strict hierarchy with themselves over the deer, and so the deer banded together and split off from the reindeer to form West Cervidas and started the Summer War. These countries show up on the map I linked you earlier.

Both reindeer and deer only seasonally have horns, so they can't cast magic year round, but the reindeer specialize in ice magic, while the deer specialize in precise control and machinery. As only the male deer have horns the female deer manifest their magic through a sort of clairvoyance or guiding magic which helps them avoid danger and know what to do in certain situations. I can elaborate further if you want.

This is all very fascinating, I have never looked at this lore before. Is this your lore, or did you get inspirations for it elsewhere? I know that I have read fanfics with very in depth lore involving the Deer, but I've never heard of this particular variety. I would like to know more on this, specifically on the Summer War. It seems like it was started by secession of West Cervidas from the Reindeer.

 

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That works, Troy is mostly an immigrant nation as it was founded in the middle of the desert, so camels and buffalo would be the only true natives of Troy, most of the permanent residents came there as part of trade caravans but we can just say that her ancestors came to Troy from Equestria originally, and she moved back.

Sounds good, I imagine that she grew up in Tassletown, and they ended up moving back to Troy, where they originally came from, back to their homeland for whatever reason. What is the general climate of Troy? Seems to me that Tasseltown would be analagous to the Southwest, somewhere in the range of Nevada / Arizona-ish. 

 

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Even if it did exist, most ponies in Equestria only ever heard of it during/after the Summer War, so if they come from a world where the war didn't happen then they wouldn't have known about it.

Ah, that is interesting to consider. If this is inspired from some lore elsewhere, then you could link me to it and I can read it, unless it's something that you created. I don't know if you created this or not.

 

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In nearly every instance that the empire existed they created their own version of the Project. So if her family stays alive there's a chance that some other iteration of the project will be able to pick them up. There's also a chance that this Project could pick up another version of her family.

So there is more than one project, more or less? Would be interesting to have the projects all come together to form some sort of greater union between them all. It would be interesting to see if they ended up picking up another version of her family, and she's the one flying the craft. I do not know what her family would be like, but that is interesting to consider.

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@-Solstice-

3 hours ago, -Solstice- said:

I would like to know more on this, specifically on the Summer War. It seems like it was started by secession of West Cervidas from the Reindeer.

Everything I've brought up about the Deer, Reindeer, the Summer War, Troy, and Cervidas is all my own. I mean I took the name and location of Cervidas from the map that I use, which I did not make, but everything else is from my own imagination.

While the Cervidian Civil War started with West Cervidas separating from Cervidas, the Summer War didn't start until a few weeks later when their respective allies joined the fight and the fighting extended beyond the Cervidian continent. Troy and the Griffon Kingdoms sided with West Cervidas, while Equestria and the Crystal Empire sided with Cervidas.

While there was fighting, blockades, and occupation on the Equestrian continent, there was very little blood spilled by either side there in favor of surrender and capture. The same cannot be said for the Cervidian continent where thousands died on both sides from all parties.

I could give you a play-by-play of the notable events of the war if you're still interested.

 

3 hours ago, -Solstice- said:

What is the general climate of Troy?

To compare to a real world location I'd say Chihuahua Mexico, or thereabouts. Arizona or the Mohave desert would also be good examples.

3 hours ago, -Solstice- said:

Would be interesting to have the projects all come together to form some sort of greater union between them all.

Would be, but the conditions are such that they'll never be in the same dimension at the same time, that prevents a captured Project from capturing other Projects.

 

[Starforce 28]

@Illiad Easle

Sure, you can tell me all about it. Am interested why Equestria and the Empire would side with a country that suppresses it's own population, am I correct that West Cervidas won the war?  As for the other details - acknowledged. 

Another thing I am considering the idea of is, the addition of a corrupted (and likely evil) Radiant Hope to the RP, but I am not sure if that would make sense here. Perhaps something else served for another RP entirely, if you would like to discuss another 1x1 RP. I suppose I am feeling more inspired for RPs, but the more RPs I do, it is likely I may post less frequently in order to cover all of them. 

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

accept that countering or negating gravity would make a structure weaker IFF that structure were held together by gravity, like a stone tower, it would not make it weaker if it is not held together by gravity, like a sheet of metal. In the first instance it is not the material being made weaker, but rather the bond between the parts of the structure.

Everyone has gravity in them so technically I could make everyone weak.... 

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

the purposes of the story, I'm going to let Spiral be the one who gets the door open both because @-Solstice- was the first to offer a solution, and because their solution is more reasonable. In the future please don't try and override or substitute someone else's actions until I have a chance to indicate it's result (For instance I could post that the lock was enchanted and as such Spiral couldn't use her magic to unlock it, THEN someone else could try and open it) or if their action directly involves your character and your character acts in response (For instance if another player attacks you or

Sorry about that @-Solstice- I didn't mean to.

 

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

Only inasmuch as the difference in weight is caused by a difference in mass. If we take for example a spaceship, as it grows more distant from a planet it's acceleration due to gravity decreases as the force of gravity is dependent on the distance between the objects, referring back to the previous equation for weight, we see that weight decreases as gravity decreases, but has the spaceship grown weaker due to the lack of gravity? Of course not. Similarly a rod of titanium floating out in space, and thus having 0 weight due to having negligible gravity, is no weaker than a

Yes but Foreign Object Damage/Debris, such as plastic can easily dent or destroy metal due to "No Friction". Because of weightless ness... And even in vacuum in space we still have to calculate the others gravity that is being made by anything in space.... Such as the black hole in the center of our milky way... Or whatever is in that. And also the ever expanding force blown by the big bang... Etc.

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

That depends entirely on how you go about making the soil light, if you held a bunch together and provided a buoyant force you could just as easily lift up whatever was

Holding it up together would be cheating since now we have the aid of something holding it... 

And there's a topic about negative weight.

Where what happens if a negative weight hits something with weight? Instead of it getting pushed it ends up getting pulled... I forgot who that hairy bearded science guy is on YouTube.... He looks like Thor. Science guy? He also plays magic the gathering. 

 

I also did that experiment where I peed and put a constant flow of water between it and the drain.

The pee doesn't go to the drain because my pee is lighter.

BUT ONCE I PUT A BLUE DYE. It went through the water and in to the drain.... Only some of it though because it got diluted and mixed with the water.

My pee on the other hand is still on the otherside.... which made me to forcefully apply water on the otherside to push it in. Which is kinda hard due to the effect of it getting pulled back.... Hence speed is needed to force it to be pushed...

Actually I'm not sure if it was my pee or the dye is heavier.... I think I mixed them up....

 

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

Close, this has more to do with Density than weight, though weight does play a role in Density. Steel is clearly heavier than water, yet we build massive ships out of steel and they still float. This is because they are built in such a way as to be less dense than the water they displace.

Yes, density... Thus still affect weight.

Because the sheep has less density than water, making the water heavier than the ship.

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

Only inasmuch as the difference in weight is caused by a difference in mass. If we take for example a spaceship, as it grows more distant from a planet it's acceleration due to gravity decreases as the force of gravity is dependent on the distance between the objects, referring back to the previous equation for weight, we see that weight decreases as gravity decreases, but has the spaceship grown weaker due to the lack of gravity? Of course not. Similarly a rod of titanium floating out in space, and thus having 0 weight due to having negligible gravity, is no weaker than an equally massive rod of titanium sitting on a planet's surface.

In a way.... It does get weaker..... Or everything else becomes stronger because of weightless ness es sesss...

5 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

That depends on the situation, in essence your weight only determines how heavy something can be before you can't pull it towards you, like a Lat Pulldown workout machine. If you set the weight higher than you you'd just lift yourself up unless you braced yourself against the ground or the machine itself by locking your legs through the grips some machines have. However, your weight does not prevent you from lifting something heavier than you up, because you are pushing against the ground in order to lift the object. The heaviest Atlas stone ever lifted was 630 pounds, and the man who lifted it did not weigh nearly that much. Professional bodybuilders regularly will exercise with weights greater than their own for things like a bench press, they can lift those

There's an explanation on the science guy about that... The monster hunter weapons is one example about it.

You can lift the weapon but swinging it will throw you off.

6 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

Again, mass, not weight

Weight still applies, if there is no weight, then gravity won't be pulling it down to hit it, mass or no mass.

6 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

That's true but for a wholly unrelated reason to strength. The lighter something is, the less force is necessary to displace it. In the case of this door you'd still need to overcome the strength of the hinges or what the hinges are mounted to or by to remove the door from it's place.

Without friction things are easily removed like screws but if it was riveted. Then yes I have to make everything in it that is sturdy to be very light until I hit the weak points such as where it is attached at where it is screwed upon... Then that small piece which is holding it would be easier to remove. 

I'll try to explain it as much as possible.

The closest example I could give is corrosion.

Yes it effects the materials mass but it has the same weird principle that's hard to explain for me.

We had an incident that the bolt that is attached to a structure has only surface corrosion to where it was attached, hence because of that the material was easily separated removed.

So I just have to find the weakest material attached to it and push it off then WALA!! 

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

Sorry I meant more density. 

[Illiad Easle 3,162]

@Kujamih

I can't tell if you're trolling, producing bad faith arguments out of spite, or fundamentally don't understand how physics works.

If it is the latter, I would like to help you understand, but if it is the former I have no interest in continuing.

[Starforce 28]

@Kujamih 

I'd really try to stay mature and on topic in these types of conversations. I honestly don't understand what you are saying here, I read through all of these posts here - while I may not get to all of them, I read through them all. I would also prefer if you put more effort into your posts - I am not judging you, but it would be more enjoyable if you put more effort into your posts, since the rest of us do multiple paragraphs usually, and you are doing only a few sentences - it takes away from the interactivity of your character to have such little substance in your replies.

I am trying to help you by encouraging you to better your writing.

@Illiad Easle

So do you think we have covered everything for Merlot Cloud or what? What do you think of my proposal for Radiant Hope?