Reasons not to like MLP + Fanbase

[Titan Rising 2,156]

But that's another issue altogether. They aren't really hurting anyone (Except for maybe if children saw the images, but that argument could be used against porn in general. I have debated the 'Harmful to children' issue a million times.), so are they really wrong for going against your personal moral code?

To put it bluntly, yes. I guess what I'm ultimately trying to get at is I believe it's fair to hate the act, not the person. Like I said before though, with respect to something like this I don't believe it's my place to stop them.

 

Cloppers and rule 34,

also on the "love and tolerate" thing:

I think that I should just write a huge paragraph for a dramatic effect, or maybe not...I choose not, because im to lazy...

 

In an odd turn of events... it turns out that I actually respect you more for that.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Hollowshield

[~Lawful Jordo~ 2,066]

To put it bluntly, yes. I guess what I'm ultimately trying to get at is I believe it's fair to hate the act, not the person. Like I said before though, with respect to something like this I don't believe it's my place to stop them.

 

And I agree with this 100%. You can hate anything you want, just as long as you don't hate the person for it.

[Bohtty 1,775]

That is absolutely true. There are quite a lot of flaws in the show. The animation is kinda lazy sometimes and they always reuse character models for different characters.

 

Also, it's made by Hasbro, the second most greedy company in the U.S. The first is Disney.

 

My entire post was 100% sarcasm very few things in this world are ever perfect. People demand to much from this show. They forget that it still meant for young girls. Hasbro is not even close to the second most greedy company lol... not even close xD and Disney isn't the first either.

[MyLittleCell 106]

The main things that annoy me are the extremists and people who shove it down peoples throats.

I have nothing against Rule 34 and gorefics myself, i personally don't like them but its pretty much their own decision. If they want to mess with their image of the show, that's fine. Some even claim they can keep it in separate sections of their minds. Its just the people who go around flaunting it that annoys me. And the Toleration thing, i agree it really only extends to their ideas and beliefs. If you don't like what their doing, that's fine. But don't hate them or think of them any less for it. Its just what they think. They don't (always) understand Your point of view or why you don't like what their doing.

[Radiance64 7,053]

Show title/outward appearance- that's probably where most haters start and stop, anyway.

[~Lawful Jordo~ 2,066]

Show title/outward appearance- that's probably where most haters start and stop, anyway.

 

There's something I missed xD

 

To this day I can barely watch the shows intro, I just feel so girly doing so

[Nah 3,182]

The show:

 

-Occasional animation errors bug me

 

The fandom:

 

-Rule 34

 

The main reason is the fact that we are watching My Little Pony, and society does not accept it.

[My little pwny 1,392]

You make some good points OP. Here's my counter argument:

 

The show saved and changed my life

[Twiliscael 3,960]

The main problem with the community is: dun dun dah! How some people look down upon others in our own fanbase, the most obvious being cloppers. What the hell is any different about them and anyone else? ZOMG loke @ him hes a clopper omgomgomgomg get out seriously ur stuf is crepey N gives us a bad name.

[Dasher 119]

The show

-The theme song I have gotten used to it but when one of my friends wants to watch an episode it drives them away.

-The under use of Applejack

-Reused animations

-The Lack of stallions

The Fan base

-The obsessed people

-The hate of cloppers and r34 its their choice and it doesn't affect any us noncloppers (no I don't clop or look at r34) in fact the more you mention it the more attention it gets.

-stereotypes.

-The lack of women.

-How judgmental of the show some are (its a kids show)

 

 

 

It may look like a lot of hate but the thread asked for it and I really am not as bothered as much as it may seem.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Dasher

[PonyEcho 1,610]

hhhmmm i feel like i could live in this thread

 

about the fan base

- the brony song (everything about it)

- how they take the show too seriously

- cant handle negative opinions about the show or fan fic like my little dashie

-would rather ignore and dissacociate themselfs with the darker side of the fanbase rather then call it out and talk about it out in the open.

-they over hype the show saying its the best show in the world when compeared to animaniacs and even ducktales mlp is trash

-how bronies bring mlp into a disscussion about lollypop chainsaw (you b s ruined that game for me)

about the show

- its not as good as bronies say it is

-has a problem with making all griffons jerks

- way to many continuity errors animation and cutiemark wise

- rainbowdash is a horrible role model

-has a problem with making all griffons jerks

-how bronies bring mlp into a disscussion about lollypop chainsaw (you b:(s ruined that game for me)

Edited July 12, 2012 by PonyEcho

[Mr. Jaguar 1,403]

I'm a pretty big brony, but that doesn't mean there aren't aspects of the show and fandom that disappoint me.

 

The show:

 

- Needs moar Applejack.

 

 

The fanbase:

 

- Needs to learn to ignore the aspects of the fandom they don't care for (such as the rule 34).

- Needs to stop caring how "bronies" are seen by other people.

- Some people act as if liking ponies is a religion, where everyone should act and think the same; this hive-mind mentality is dangerous.

- Love and tolerance is a good ideal, but there are limits. Once an act infringes upon the rights of others, it can no longer be loved or tolerated.

 

 

This pretty much sums my thoughts.

 

But that's another issue altogether. They aren't really hurting anyone (Except for maybe if children saw the images, but that argument could be used against porn in general. I have debated the 'Harmful to children' issue a million times.), so are they really wrong for going against your personal moral code?

 

I, like you, dislike the sexualization of the characters, but I think that people who do have every right to. It's they're business what they wish to subject themselves to.

Eeyup, I think the sexualization of ponies is fucking disgusting, but at the end of the fucking day, the people doing it aren't hurting themselves or anyone else, so who gives a shit? It's also not really the same as choking the chicken to real beastiality because the ponies are sentient and have human-like intelligence and personality, so it can't really be called immoral (though, obviously, there are cloppers who clop because they have a sexual attraction to animals, and could care less whether the animal they're jerking off to is sentient or not). Still grosses me out regardless.

 

I also think that the love and tolerate thing should have a limit. If someone is doing something that causes serious harm, we should not put up with it. Although if we hate something that is, for the most part harmless, then it's none of our business if other people like it.

 

Where did this Love and Tolerate motto even come from? Who made it up, and where did they get the connection from MLP:FIM to the motto "love and tolerate"?

Edited July 12, 2012 by Pegasus25

[Shankveld 4,949]

I also dislike 'love and tolerate', I'm not some mindless zombie that will blindly accept everything I see as oki doki.

Having differences of opinions is one of the beautiful things about humanity and life.

 

>A bunch of bronies chanting 'love and tolerate' seems cultish to me.<

[spas-ticShotty 3,584]

Show title/outward appearance- that's probably where most haters start and stop, anyway.

 

You mean "Friendship is Magic"? Yah, I can see how that turns off non-bronies. If I were to give it an unofficial title, it would be MLP: G4.

 

"Love and Tolerate" is a phrase that is overused in mah opinion, and while it could work for some situations, there are some things we (Or I) just can't love or tolerate. Besides, I lean more on the "tolerate" side more than anything. Makes more sense to tolerate than to love the things you hate (If that makes any sense )

 

That is absolutely true. There are quite a lot of flaws in the show. The animation is kinda lazy sometimes and they always reuse character models for different characters.

 

Also, it's made by Hasbro, the second most greedy company in the U.S. The first is Disney.

 

I thought it was Activison (If you were a CoD player, you'd get what I mean )

 

- Needs moar Applejack.

 

Yes and yes, with a side of hell yea

[Fluttermedic 86]

Here's a thought, have Hasbro and the people who work on the show listen more to the fandom about subjects, hell Adventure Time had an entire episode that was from a fan, maybe that's what they should do for Season 3, hold a contest, like who's pony goes in, what the episode is about, etc.

 

Don't be like the people who make CoD, Hasbro, you know how THAT turned out.

[Radiance64 7,053]

You mean "Friendship is Magic"? Yah, I can see how that turns off non-bronies. If I were to give it an unofficial title, it would be MLP: G4. "Love and Tolerate" is a phrase that is overused in mah opinion, and while it could work for some situations, there are some things we (Or I) just can't love or tolerate. Besides, I lean more on the "tolerate" side more than anything. Makes more sense to tolerate than to love the things you hate (If that makes any sense ) I thought it was Activison (If you were a CoD player, you'd get what I mean ) Yes and yes, with a side of hell yea

Well actually I just meant the 'My Little Pony' part, but I suppose 'Friendship is Magic' could turn off some people too.

[NavelColt 22,880]

Here's a thought, have Hasbro and the people who work on the show listen more to the fandom about subjects, hell Adventure Time had an entire episode that was from a fan, maybe that's what they should do for Season 3, hold a contest, like who's pony goes in, what the episode is about, etc.

 

Don't be like the people who make CoD, Hasbro, you know how THAT turned out.

 

They've done quite a bit, actually. They've done a ton of naming and character background altering in merchandise to reflect fan-given names, they've made hints and notices to the brony community in both commercials and the show, even though some they altered to avoid soccer moms bitching about this that and the other thing, and just recently they made an entire flash game based around that Adventure Ponies commercial they had a few months back. Sure they don't go as far as letting fans have direct show input but they're certainly nothing like CoD or other companies like them. They're fully aware of the importance of this part of the fanbase and they embrace it ^^

 

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Ummm. Hasbro can't make well-done pony plushies worth shi*, and force us to pay hundreds of dollars for hand made ones from other fans? I got nothin.

 

Depending on the perspective, the hype. I hated the hype before I got into the show, and that's why to this day I understand why it pisses other people off about how ponies are everywhere. On top of that, there is a clump of the fanbase that take advantage of this, and run around spamming or bugging people on non-pony boards and sites. To bronies it's great to see that there's ponies everywhere, but it's a double-edged sword.

[pjsforever 89]

The show:

-Some animation errors, but not too many.

-Occasional laziness when it comes to animation and pony design.

-The mane 6 aren't equally incorporated into the show. (Not much Applejack, etc.)

 

The fanbase:

-Rule 34 and sexualization of ponies. I find it horribly wrong, but I still respect cloppers and.. Rule 34ers, I guess. That kind of stuff can drive potential fans away though.

-Its 80+% mostly adult male fanbase. The lack of girls is just.. I dunno.. A bit strange somehow? Or maybe it's a Lucky Star kind of thing or something, if you get what I mean.

-Extreme obsession and total glorification of the show.

-Some bronies want to "convert" everyone, even the hardcore "unconvertible" haters.

Edited July 12, 2012 by cleva

[Shift 4,272]

I have to honestly agree- no shows perfect.

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Look at that, for example. I have to say the show could improve on animation a bit more. Thats my only objection.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Resolution

[go away seb 367]

If you thought the Meet the Pyro update was a shout-out to bronies and argued in youtube comments to defend that position, you deserve to be shot-out of a cannon.

 

It's even funnier how people who hate MLP think anything under the sun is Pony related, more than Bronies.

[Derpy Dash 233]

I don't have any problems with the show, but I hate shipping (mostly because it is 90% same-sex and also because 99% of them is of Rainbow Dash being a lesbian, which I don't agree with one bit.) and I absolutely CANNOT stand R34 or even the idea of "clopping".

 

I have to honestly agree- no shows perfect.

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Look at that, for example. I have to say the show could improve on animation a bit more. Thats my only objection.

 

It's not really that they have to improve the animation. In fact the animation is one of the main reasons I love this show.

 

If you think about it mathematically, every tv movie has mistakes. But the average movie is like 1 hour 40 min long or so.

MLP has had 2 seasons, 26 episodes a season. thats 52 episodes. 22 minutes an episode so thats 52x22=1144 minutes of show or about 19 hours, so technically, MLP should be allowed to have 11.4 times as many mistakes as the average movie before the animation quality is considered "bad" due to mistakes.

 

 

(I just did a lot of math. my brain hurts.)

Edited July 13, 2012 by *Rainbow Dash*

[Motion Spark 7,807]

I see plenty of threads all the time praising the show and its fans so this is gonna be a little different. This threads all about the things you don't like about the show and fanbase, where you think it could improve, and reasons why you believe other people would be... less inclined... to watch it or call themselves a fan.

 

I'll start:

 

The show:

-I don't like how it's supposedly a cartoon for everyone but males horses are largely excluded. Obviously I'm not saying there needs to be a male character, but at least maybe some more male interaction here and there.

-I don't particularly care for Rarity but I don't think she's been given enough opportunities to properly show her generosity, the same goes for Rainbow Dash's loyalty and Applejacks honesty

-I feel it's a bit inconsistent when it comes to Rainbow Dash's speed but it's a cartoon so whatever

 

 

The fanbase:

-"Rule 34" and any sexualization of the characters

-The word brony, I dunno I just don't like it

-The "brony" community tends to label every fim fan as a brony

-"Bronies" can be extremely extreme with their dedication to the show that it comes off as creepy

-I don't like or understand the whole "love and tolerate" thing, as if loving and tolerating are even really messages the show tries to deliver. I actually feel like its fueling the "politically correct" fire more than anything

 

 

I don't know if anypony mentioned it before, but at Bronycon, Lauren Faust put emphasis that this show was since day 1 intended for girls and that it shows different aspects in their life as girls, she also said that all her work is towards girls and the fandom completely took her by surprise. Now, it happens that this woman has an splendid vision in how a story should be told and her formula works, it attracted a large amount of male fans and her cartoon can be enjoyed by everypony, no matter the age and gender.

Hasbro is well aware of the brony phenomenon, so, by season 3, things may change and make the cartoon more gender neutral, which it was before, but more open to both genders. So your point it's not so valid there.

[CapnKrunk 307]

Dont want to change the show too much.Thats how good cartoons die.

 

THe only thing I would want them to change it the first 3 seconds of the theme song.It's soo cheesy.

[Midnightive 458]

The things i hate about the show:

I never really liked Rarity or how her character acts

I don't think Apple jacks character is build on very well so she's just kind of a pony there...

 

Things i don't like fanbase:

 

How everyone hates on rule 34/ people who like it (Its there choice to like it its not are to judge!)

How randomly defensive we get about the show

How some people are like 'love and tolerate' but hate on people in are own fandom!

 

*breaths*

 

I hate people who base on people who like rule 34 its not there fault they get turned on by it

 

*breaths*

[Moon Rat 4,772]

all I have to say is that some people can be rather annoying over it. i.e Spamming certain threads or videos with comments of ponies when said whatever clearly has nothing to do with MLP.