S03:E13 - Magical Mystery Cure

[Zoraxe 546]

I let that situation slide because it was a one time thing it seemed. But now, Celestia has flat out said to Twilight "Ive been planning to use you as my tool since we first met". That goes beyond trickster mentor and enters sith lord territory.

 

As for the episode itself, its just a terrible episode, with few funny jokes, most of the episode being song,and an extreamly rushed story. So with the whole princess Alicornification at the end as well. Geez, what a terribly written episode.

 

Yeah, the Royal Wedding was based around 2 characters that are just introduced and first mentioned in that episode yet both are important to the main character and those 2 are the ones getting married, and terrible things happen because of a villain and her evil plan that makes no sense. But that was still OK because it was still a fun couple of episodes.

 

But there are few things of worth about Magical Mystery Cure. The writers did a crap job.

Edited July 11, 2013 by Zoraxe

[Tech Rainbow 39]

Twilight is an alicorn now. It will just ruin the fun. Twilight is now staying in Cantorlot, and being a princess is boring (In my opinion)

[Rappy0 338]

Twilight is now staying in Cantorlot

Source for this info? I don't follow all the pony news/updates did something happen that I missed?

 

 

If this is just speculation then I wouldn't worry. I'm pretty sure Twilight will still be in Ponyvillie I mean she kinda lives there. =P

[Tech Rainbow 39]

Source for this info? I don't follow all the pony news/updates did something happen that I missed?

 

 

If this is just speculation then I wouldn't worry. I'm pretty sure Twilight will still be in Ponyvillie I mean she kinda lives there. =P

Um, if you have watched Equestria Girls, you will see that she is staying in Cantorlot. (At the beginning) and besides, Twilight is a princess now. Do you expect a princess to live in Ponyville? 

[Rappy0 338]

Um, if you have watched Equestria Girls, you will see that she is staying in Cantorlot. (At the beginning) and besides, Twilight is a princess now. Do you expect a princess to live in Ponyville? 

I must have missed that part. I watched on Youtube so I might have missed the very beginning, but from what I saw Cantorlot was never mentioned in the beginning. From what I watched she was staying in the Crystal Empire. Why can't she stay In Ponvillie? I mean it would only make since that's where the rest of the EoH bearers are so I think living in Ponyvillie is the best for her to live for all of Equestria.

 

Besides EQG wasn't canon (as far as I know) so it doesn't matter anyway.

[Dark Horn 430]

RappyU is correct. First, EQG isn't canon. Second, she was visiting the Crystal Empire. Canterlot, as I recall, never entered the equation.

[Tech Rainbow 39]

I must have missed that part. I watched on Youtube so I might have missed the very beginning, but from what I saw Cantorlot was never mentioned in the beginning. From what I watched she was staying in the Crystal Empire. Why can't she stay In Ponvillie? I mean it would only make since that's where the rest of the EoH bearers are so I think living in Ponyvillie is the best for her to live for all of Equestria.

 

Besides EQG wasn't canon (as far as I know) so it doesn't matter anyway.

Oops, I guess I made a mistake then. But I think princesses should stay in the Crystal Empire... because she is a princess and princesses live in palaces... So I think she should stay in the Crystal Empire. But if you think that Twilight staying in Ponyville is better, that's fine.

RappyU is correct. First, EQG isn't canon. Second, she was visiting the Crystal Empire. Canterlot, as I recall, never entered the equation.

I am sorry, I made a mistake.  I thought she was living in Canterlot... >_<  Silly me. 

Edited July 12, 2013 by Full Spectrum

[Dark Horn 430]

Oops, I guess I made a mistake then. But I think princesses should stay in the Crystal Empire... because she is a princess and princesses live in palaces... So I think she should stay in the Crystal Empire. But if you think that Twilight staying in Ponyville is better, that's fine.

I am sorry, I made a mistake.  I thought she was living in Canterlot... >_<  Silly me. fhdsofoipshoufaoldjfkldfj fjd Sorry I have to reach the minimum... 

 

Ah, no problem. "Not everypony can be as brave intelligent as me. Hey, wait! Where's the oxygen?! HELP!"

 

But I hope Twilight stays in Ponyville. I've kinda gotten used to it.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Dark Horn

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

I let that situation slide because it was a one time thing it seemed. But now, Celestia has flat out said to Twilight "Ive been planning to use you as my tool since we first met". That goes beyond trickster mentor and enters sith lord territory.

 

As for the episode itself, its just a terrible episode, with few funny jokes, most of the episode being song,and an extreamly rushed story. So with the whole princess Alicornification at the end as well. Geez, what a terribly written episode.

 

Yeah, the Royal Wedding was based around 2 characters that are just introduced and first mentioned in that episode yet both are important to the main character and those 2 are the ones getting married, and terrible things happen because of a villain and her evil plan that makes no sense. But that was still OK because it was still a fun couple of episodes.

 

But there are few things of worth about Magical Mystery Cure. The writers did a crap job.

Hmm, she does it once, all is forgiven, she it does again, she is as bad as a sith lord? That's a large leap of logic. (Huzzah for alliteration!) Did you read the page I linked to? Plenty of instances where Celestia is being dishonest, or at least not acting to interfere or help when she obviously could. Granted, some of them are debatable, but there is enough of a pattern there. If the first, second or third times it happened aren't reason enough to dislike Celestia, why is the one in MMC the one to break the pony's back?

 

You say she tricked Twilight, I say she engineered certain events to lead her to her destiny.

 

Finally, you seem to be willing to forgive the "mistakes" in the writing for A Canterlot Wedding, because you enjoyed the episode. In the same vein, I wouldn't deny that there are things worthy of criticism in the writing of Magical Mystery Cure, but I can forgive them because I enjoyed the episode despite them.

[Xanatos 162]

When did Celestia ever say :  "It's your choice?"

When did Twilight ever say it wasn't what she wanted? Never, because she wanted it. That's the choice she made.

 

And the simple fact is that if it was her destiny, and it's stated in the episode that it was, there was no choice. Twilight has no more choice in this than Nightmare Moon had in breaking loose after 1000 years. It's a predestined world they live in. That's not Celestia's fault.

 

All this "She's as bad as a Sith Lord" nonsense is just...Well, nonsense. To the moon with all of you!

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[Zoraxe 546]

Hmm, she does it once, all is forgiven, she it does again, she is as bad as a sith lord? That's a large leap of logic. (Huzzah for alliteration!) Did you read the page I linked to? Plenty of instances where Celestia is being dishonest, or at least not acting to interfere or help when she obviously could. Granted, some of them are debatable, but there is enough of a pattern there. If the first, second or third times it happened aren't reason enough to dislike Celestia, why is the one in MMC the one to break the pony's back?

 

You say she tricked Twilight, I say she engineered certain events to lead her to her destiny.

 

Finally, you seem to be willing to forgive the "mistakes" in the writing for A Canterlot Wedding, because you enjoyed the episode. In the same vein, I wouldn't deny that there are things worthy of criticism in the writing of Magical Mystery Cure, but I can forgive them because I enjoyed the episode despite them.

 

I guess I suppose what Celestia did in MMC was worse than those other instances was because it was the finale of the story arc that has been in place since the show began. The reason for Twilight's friendship lessons... was for that... that's why Celestia did it. To turn Twilight into a princess.

 

I feel like that episode is a betrayal of the essence of the show.

[Xanatos 162]

Celestia is dishonest, a big part of her relationship of Twilight was a lie.

 

When did she lie?

 

The reason for her lessons was to teach her things. It's never stated anywhere that the entire reason Celestia ever had her do anything was to become an alicorn.

 

See, I once stole $30 from some guy. I did it because he had been an asshole and I like payback. Later on, I bought a candy bar. This coincidence doesn't magically alter my reasoning to "I stole his money to buy a candy bar."

 

The initial reason for sending her to Ponyville was to enable her (and her friends) to best Nightmare Moon. The reason to keep her there was to teach her because, bizarrely enough, Celestia is a teacher to her student. That this aligned with the fulfilling-her-destiny-to-become-a-princess thing is just a happy coincidence.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[John 793]

When did Twilight ever say it wasn't what she wanted? Never, because she wanted it. That's the choice she made.

 

And the simple fact is that if it was her destiny, and it's stated in the episode that it was, there was no choice. That's not Celestia's fault. Blame predestination. 

 

All this "She's as bad as a Sith Lord" nonsense is just...Well, nonsense. To the moon with all of you!

 

She sent her own little sister to the moon for 1000 years for making a mistake.  Ever notice how Luna has no power over anything anymore?  They were supposed to be equal like they were before she was banished.  Celestia's a bully and a tyrant.  I don't see Luna sitting on a throne with an army of guards.

[Xanatos 162]

She sent her own little sister to the moon for 1000 years for making a mistake.  Ever notice how Luna has no power over anything anymore?  They were supposed to be equal like they were before she was banished.  Celestia's a bully and a tyrant.  I don't see Luna sitting on a throne with an army of guards.

Ooh, so close. See, what actually happened was she imprisoned Luna in the moon for casting the entire land into a figurative and literal eternal darkness.

 

If Luna wanted power, she could likely get it. I highly doubt she was bullied into anything. More likely, she chooses to stay on the sidelines and wisely so. As seen from the very first episode of the series, Luna is susceptible to corruptive influences.

 

We never see Luna on a throne with guards. Okay. Have we ever seen much inside the palace at night? Because chances are given her previous job, Luna's largely become nocturnal. And even if she lacks a throne...She has her own chariot and everything. A tyrannical bully wouldn't allow that so it's obviously her choice.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[John 793]

Ooh, so close. See, what actually happened was she imprisoned Luna in the moon for casting the entire land into a figurative and literal eternal darkness.

 

If Luna wanted power, she could likely get it. I highly doubt she was bullied into anything. More likely, she chooses to stay on the sidelines and wisely so. As seen from the very first episode of the series, Luna is susceptible to corruptive influences.

 

We never see Luna on a throne with guards. Okay. Have we ever seen much inside the palace at night? Because chances are given her previous job, Luna's largely become nocturnal. And even if she lacks a throne...She has her own chariot and everything. A tyrannical bully wouldn't allow that so it's obviously her choice.

 

A tyrannical bully who knows she's always one step above her sister would.  Everything's always on Celestia's terms, and Luna never gets any say on any matters.  And I don't think 1000 years on the moon is a justifiable punishment refusing to raise it.  It's like tying your sister up and sending her to the Canadian tundra for 20 years because she locked you out of your room.

[Xanatos 162]

And I don't think 1000 years on the moon is a justifiable punishment refusing to raise it.  It's like tying your sister up and sending her to the Canadian tundra for 20 years because she locked you out of your room.

Ignoring the first bit for lacking any real basis...

 

Once again, she was imprisoned for casting the entire land into a figurative and literal eternal darkness. That's kinda...You know, bad. Plus she could only be beaten by the Elements which, until Twilight and Co. found them, were useless. What do you do with an evil that cannot be conventionally beaten? You seal it away.

 

And your simile is stupid. I really don't know of any nicer way to put that while maintaining honesty...

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[John 793]

Ignoring the first bit for lacking any real basis...

 

Once again, she was imprisoned for casting the entire land into a figurative and literal eternal darkness. That's kinda...You know, bad. Plus she could only be beaten by the Elements which, until Twilight and Co. found them, were useless. What do you do with an evil that cannot be conventionally beaten? You seal it away.

 

And your simile is stupid.

 

Please try to discuss this without attempting to insult my intelligence.  I'm going to a pretty prestigious university so I don't care how good you think my simile is.

 

They never say that the darkness was figurative.  In fact, it could be interpreted that the darkness is purely literal.  Show me the part in the episode where she condemned all of Equestria to evil.  :I

[Xanatos 162]

Please try to discuss this without attempting to insult my intelligence.  I'm going to a pretty prestigious university so I don't care how good you think my simile is.

 

They never say that the darkness was figurative.  In fact, it could be interpreted that the darkness is purely literal.  Show me the part in the episode where she condemned all of Equestria to evil.  :I

 

I insulted your simile, not your intelligence. But if you can't tell the difference, well...I digress. Throwing off the balance of the entire bloody world is a far cry from locking someone out of their room. And you obviously cared enough to both remark upon it and tote your fancy university learnin' as if it was at all relevant here.

 

Who would control and lord over this literal night? An evil tyrant. Hence figurative darkness.

 

Seeing as you didn't actually address anything relevant and just resorted to pedantic nitpicking over the word "figurative", I think this has lost any potential it had to hold my interest.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[John 793]

I insulted your simile, not your intelligence. But if you can't tell the difference, well...I digress. Throwing off the balance of the entire bloody world is a far cry from locking someone out of their room. And you obviously cared enough to both remark upon it and tote your fancy university learnin' as if it was at all relevant here.

 

It is not unreasonable to interpret the insult as I did.  And I knew this is what you would say.  Nonetheless, ... ... ...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_4N4yZ3MMU

 

Yes, throwing the world off balance is very different from locking someone out of their room.  To counteract this, however, banishing someone to my arbitrarily picked desolate landscape (The Canadian tundra) for 20 years is also a far cry from banishing someone to the moon for 1000 years.

 

 

 

Who would control and lord over this literal night? An evil tyrant. Hence figurative darkness.

Seeing as you didn't actually address anything relevant and just resorted to pedantic nitpicking over the word "figurative", I think this has lost any potential it had to hold my interest.

 

We don't even know if Celestia is telling the truth about what happened 1000 years ago.  Hell, we don't even know anything other than Luna brought about a long night.

[Saddle ~ Arabia 118]

To be honest this episode brought me to an excited mood. I just couldn't wait what would happen next in Season 4 but I still didn't really approve of Twilight being an alicorn especially if the title of the show is My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic and that now she is crowned princess.

[Xanatos 162]

We don't even know if Celestia is telling the truth about what happened 1000 years ago.  Hell, we don't even know anything other than Luna brought about a long night.

So...Let me get this straight... Your argument now is (paraphrased) "Well, she MIGHT be lying...You know...Maybe...No, I don't have evidence but STILL!"

 

Well. I think I have a response video for just such an occasion.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PWvtN5W158

 

 

 

 

To be honest this episode brought me to an excited mood. I just couldn't wait what would happen next in Season 4 but I still didn't really approve of Twilight being an alicorn especially if the title of the show is My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic and that now she is crowned princess.

 

...I don't get it. What's the problem with the title? Friendship can still be magic. Princesses can't have friends? What's the problem?

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[Saddle ~ Arabia 118]

So...Let me get this straight... Your argument now is "Well, she MIGHT by lying...You know...Maybe..."

 

Well. I think I have a response video for just such an occasion.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PWvtN5W158

 

 

 

 

 

...I don't get it. What's the problem with the title? Friendship can still be magic. Princesses can't have friends? What's the problem?

Its just that, ugh never mind. We just have to wait and see if Twilight Sparkle's job of being princess can still have spare space to spend time with her friends.

[Xanatos 162]

Its just that, ugh never mind. We just have to wait and see if Twilight Sparkle's job of being princess can still have spare space to spend time with her friends.

Celestia's princess of everything but the Crystal Empire and Cadence has that covered. I don't see Twilight having much work to go with her title. But, sadly, we have to await season four...

 

Protip: Don't go "ugh never mind" if you're just going to explain anyway.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Xanatos

[GreyScholar 1,584]

It has officially been said that Twilight will not leave her friends or outlive them, which I feel should be stated first since these are peoples biggest worries.

Lauren Faust had always intended for Twilight to be Celestia's successor (though on clarity not a princess, though what else would you call the successor of royalty but a royal-to-be?).

 

Also destiny is not a bad thing and though it is the western view on such it is not a break from freedom. I have always seen the idea of destiny as one's full potential, yes you can turn away from such but you wont be all you can be through such. Celestia did not force or manipulate Twilight, at least not in the negative way as if one consider Batman is pretty manipulative  and many mentors are as well. Heck where else do you think the idea Trickster Mentor comes from?

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On Celestia and Luna, the Banishment, with such may feelings on such read here: http://mlpforums.com/topic/66424-my-belief-on-the-banishment-and-discord/

Edited July 12, 2013 by EquestrianScholar

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

@@John,@@Xanatos, Please let's restrict our comments to the topic at hand, and not let things devolve into personal attacks. I wouldn't want to have to hide posts with good reasoning for also including insulting comments.

 

If you listen to the opening narration, you will hear that Celestia only used the Elements of Harmony on Nightmare Moon reluctantly. (Yes, that specific word is actually used) That implies to me that her banishment was not a punishment, but a last resort against a situation that would have had serious bad consequences had NNM not been stopped.

 

Also, from Return of Harmony, there are two undisputable facts.

1. Luna and Celestia were at one point both connected to the Elements of Harmony.

2. The Mane 6 were able to use the "full potential" of the Elements when they defeated Nightmare Moon.

 

I suspect that suddenly using a weapon that relies on harmony against one-half of the ponies actually wielding it would have limited its power. This is further reinforced by Celestia's choice of the word in bold above. I don't believe Celestia wished to lock her sister into the moon, she simply had no choice to either do that, or let all of her subjects die in an eternal night. No part of that screams "dictator" to me.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Full Spectrum