gaming Double standards against Nintendo.

[CastletonSnob 3,074]

What is it with games journalism and the double standards it holds against Nintendo? If anything remotely negative happens to Nintendo, journalists claim that they're doomed and will go third party. When something bad happens to Sony or Microsoft, nobody says anything.
Actually, what is it with the gaming community being anti-Nintendo? People claim that Nintendo "abandoned" them with the Wii, which is essentially whining about a company not catering to you. They whine about how they casualized the industry, when the reality is that "hardcore" gamers do NOT in any way make up the majority of the gaming community. Also, people whine that Nintendo should revive old franchises when they DID with Punch-Out and Kid Icarus.

[Sunlight 357]

Yeah, I've noticed a bit of hate towards Nintendo too. Honestly, I don't know why. And, the Wii thing is pretty stupid, they can do what they like. It's their console, and if they don't want to continue with it, then good for them. They should be grateful that the Wii was available in the first place.

[CastletonSnob 3,074]

People also complain that Nintendo "abandoned" them with the Wii, which only shows that gamers are entitled brats.

[Flight 11 89]

The gamer in me is completely silent right now, so I'll just walk away from this thread. Also, the Wii wasn't very good but I can't call it absolutely horrible. It had some ok stuff. Just not like other gaming consoles/PCs. Nintendo just pulls a 'Call of Duty' by releasing the same three series every time. If they did something else though the fanboys would complain. Basically, by doing something for so long, they've put themselves in a corner.

Edited January 2, 2014 by Applesack

[GrimCW 658]

 

 

Ponies claim that Nintendo "abandoned" them with the Wii, which is essentially whining about a company not catering to you.

 

I never really understood that myself.

 

The Wii is where Nintendo broke its traditional "family machine" backing they were holding onto (They originally banned anything over a "T" rating by the ESRB from the Nintendo Gamecube, but backed down when sales dipped and the competitors took off)

 

TBH the only down side I've seen to them is their games are just... boring.. I still love a good romp in the original Mario games, but now they give you literally hundreds of lives and an "do it for me" mode... They've also focused on the group games, which not all of us are capable of having fun in due life and lack of a family unit to play with (or time for many others)

 

Only other thing I personally have disdain for is the exceedingly japanese cutsie styles they always shoot for in almost everything they do now :/ it just gets old... FAST... from the interface, to the game graphics (to which most 3rd party developers don't even scratch the quality they should get out of the Nintendo consoles/handhelds... which is sad, cause the 3DS could have some good gfx if someone bothered to try)

 

I do like their stuff still, but like i said, I just find it boring for some reason, and that terrible music at the menu's and the little noises add to that like a lullaby.

 

No idea on the abandonment accusations though, or why so many hate on them in general. The consoles aren't bad, its just the lack of innovative developers willing to build for the proprietary controls that is sorely lacking. That and Nintendo's own reluctance to even utilize their own controls...

 

Then again.. maybe thats it, the lack of the tiny atypical gamepad controls must be off putting to people or something. Because being NEW and inventive is apparently a terrible thing.

[Kelario 95]

People's problem is that, for the most part, Nintendo refuses to publish anything violent, perhaps with the exception of recent Ubisoft games. Therefore, they can accuse them of being too "childish" and not making "real games," and delete them from the clan of "gamer" companies.

 

Perhaps also the fact that they haven't made a truly new Zelda game since 2000.

[Oofer56 58]

I have seen much hate towards Nintendo, and I have no idea why. I chose the WiiU over Xbox one and Ps4 xD

[Megas 27,628]

What is it with games journalism and the double standards it holds against Nintendo? If anything remotely negative happens to Nintendo, journalists claim that they're doomed and will go third party. When something bad happens to Sony or Microsoft, nobody says anything.

Actually, what is it with the gaming community being anti-Nintendo? People claim that Nintendo "abandoned" them with the Wii, which is essentially whining about a company not catering to you. They whine about how they casualized the industry, when the reality is that "hardcore" gamers do NOT in any way make up the majority of the gaming community. Also, people whine that Nintendo should revive old franchises when they DID with Punch-Out and Kid Icarus.

tbf, the exact same things said about Ninty could be said about Microsoft this entire year. And I'd also argue that there are just as many double standards for Nintendo as their are against, like many people passed off the recent eShop outage as Nintendo getting still getting used to an online service and etc.

 

As for the Wii, I think there was enough good games on the system to justify my purchase to say the least, diddo the BC with the Gamecube. Hell most of the good games(like Klonoa, Muramasa, No More Heroes 2) didn't even require the Wiimote. Yeah, the Wii did appeal more to "casual" gamers than "hardcore", but it's not like Nintendo themselves abandoned them like everyone likes to believe, or else we wouldn't have gotten games like Sin and Punishment Star Successor, a new Punch-Out, two Metroid titles, or the Operation Rainfall titles.Unfortunately their 3rd party support after the SNES continues to be shit, which seems to be a running theme among their consoles(though the GC fared better than the others imo)

 

But at least their handhelds continue to be as great as ever, as long as they have those, then I doubt that it they'll go third party

[CastletonSnob 3,074]

I think it's just ignorance.

 

Like I said, Nintendo made Dillon's Rolling Western and Pushmo on the 3DS.

[GrauWitz 1,010]

People also complain that Nintendo "abandoned" them with the Wii, which only shows that gamers are entitled brats.

It shows that Nintendo gamers are entitled brats. Why do you think its gamers in general? Most of them hate the Wii

[FaZe Vinyl 521]

Personally, I haven't been a fan of Nintendo since the Gamecube. I still play Pokemon Ruby and Black 2 every now and then, but it is safe to say I usually stay away from Nintendo products.

 

 

The Wii never abandoned hardcore gamers, because it was never targeted to them in the first place. The Wii was targeted towards families and party games, where you would want family friendly games, and ultimate local multiplayer support, which the Wii nailed.

 

 

Another thing that gets Nintendo a lot of hate is third party support. It hasn't really been a problem on the Wii and DS/3DS, even though most good games on those consoles come from Nintendo. The Wii U has been relying too much on first-party support, which can only go so far.

 

 

Now, I'm not saying the Wii or the Wii U are bad consoles, but what I am saying is that the Wii wasn't targeted to hardcore gamers, and while the Wii U tried to go towards the hardcore market, I think we can all agree that that went to pot shortly after release.

 

 

 

Oh, and another thing. Don't call the Wii U "next-gen," because It's not. Quit trying to sit at the big boy table.

Edited January 2, 2014 by Lunar Velocity

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

I think I should walk away before I get into a flame war with idiots.

[Megas 27,628]

It shows that Nintendo gamers are entitled brats. Why do you think its gamers in general? Most of them hate the Wii

Cause gamers in general are usually the ones doing the complaining?

[Treble Bolt 1,122]

I don't understand the problem with all the hate towards Nintendo in the gaming community; I personally think any and all console wars are stupid to me....I just see no reason to argue with people over silly little trivial things that don't matter.  As long as you are having fun with what ever console you own/prefer, that's your opinion, and you shouldn't force your opinion as fact upon others just because they have a different opinion from you.

 

All I can say towards any haters of Nintendo....we wouldn't have the video games we have today if Nintendo wasn't the pivotal force getting the world out of the Video Game Crash....

[Chacobos 160]

I don't know what's up with gaming journalists but they can stick their pencils and notebooks up their ass

As for gamers...it's not the handheld side I will tell you that, it's the console side.

 

For starters they are always a generation behind. The Wii was a PS2 and the Wii U is a PS3 meanwhile other consoles have moved on to ,ehh, about medium end gaming PC hardware. The funniest part is then they decide to sell the hardware out for almost the price of one of the newer, more next-gen consoles. Now obviously the Wii U is cheaper now but when it was first out, really Nintendo? Why spend 320$ for a Wii U when I can just save up the extra 80$ for a PS4? Even before then for 320$ I could just buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 for almost equivalent hardware for a lot less? 

 

The second problem, and I don't care how much you like or hate Nintendo, is the same goddamn games just remade in HD or rehashed. The best part is these are the ones they advertise the most. Yeah they are a great source to make money but what about the other games? The only other games usually are just Zelda, Super Smash Bros, or Pokemon, fuck even mentioning on the site or store's dashboard about some new IP you made and just hope it does good. Hell they usually let good, new IPs they have die just because almost all of their attention is on their big three that they even bother to make. I'm sick and tired of just seeing, zelda, pokemon, pokemon, mario, pokemon, zelda over and over again with nothing new just slamming out at me because I HAVE TO DO THE DIGGING MYSELF. Even Steam does a whole lot better job at announcing those smaller titles you would never hear about if Nintendo was at the helm. 

 

 

(this one was just garbled out, need to take a nap and refine this) 

The third and this is actually a funny one, they practically despise third party games on their system. Don't give me that, "oh but the Wii U, the Wii U and Ubisoft, Activision, etc." because it is quite apparent if they wanted the third party stuff they would be working harder at it. The fact is they just don't care if third party publishers support them or not. Compare the sales, they just don't give a shit about third party games because the revenue is just not there compared to their first party titles. If any third party or multiplatform game does well it's because it's a well known IP that has been out long enough to get a name for itself. 

 

tl;dr reasons why gamers are pissed at/are anti-nintendo

1. They are always a generation behind hardware wise, they just want to use stuff that is out dated

2. They make and focus on so many HD remakes of the same games that they don't even care about the newer IPs they make, it's getting stale, real stale

3. Hate 3rd party support despite how it sounded when it first came out

Edited January 2, 2014 by Captain Variance

[Geek0zoid 1,468]

Nintendo has been around since the 80's. They saved the video game industry back in the 80's when the big crash came into play. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't even HAVE video games right now. 

 

But, the reason why I think Nintendo is getting slammed so much, is how they run things. These days, Nintendo is focused on making HD remakes of games that were already made than bothering to make a new, solid video game sequel or a new IP all together. Heck, I think their newest IP is Pikmin, which has been around since the sixth generation, nearly ten years ago!

 

Another reason is because people don't think Nintendo is "mature enough." They don't pack games in with hardcore gunplay. They don't put in gore and dislocated limbs. It doesn't pack a high-revolutionary graphical engine to make the game seem "real"

 

But, despite that, I bought a Wii U, and I love it. You know why? Because Nintendo throws all of the "Mature Content" away in exchange for solid gameplay gamers will want to replay later on. Nintendo is mostly platformers and such, but to me, that's my definition of a good video game. I can only get so much enjoyment out of shooting the everliving snot out of another guy for so long. 

 

However, I do think Nintendo needs to change some things ASAP. First off, they need more third party support. I'm talking about Ubisoft, SEGA, the works. Those guys can make some REALLY awesome games for the Wii U if Nintendo would just let them. Nintendo is good at making their own games, but honestly, them alone won't sell their system. They need more third party support, fast.

 

Second, CUT THE HD REMAKES. Nintendo, if I want to play Wind Waker, I'll get my Gamecube and pop in Wind Waker. You don't need to make an HD remake of it. True, it looks nice, but graphics don't make a game. Just make something new and original that we haven't seen yet. Don't rehash what we've already seen, but in better graphics.

[Radiance64 7,053]

Yeah, ever since the Wii and the Gamecube somewhat even(to a lesser extent than now though) people have really ragged on Nintendo. Their loss though I say, hell skipping out on the Wii in general is a really bad idea imo, because despite not having the best graphics it has some of the best games I've ever played, first and third party(the Japanese third party support was halfway-decent for a while at least, western devs were what people where clamoring about most of the time). Still though, I get why people don't like them, they've done some things I haven't liked lately especially with the Wii U, but you can't deny the quality of their games.

 

I never really understood that myself.

 

The Wii is where Nintendo broke its traditional "family machine" backing they were holding onto (They originally banned anything over a "T" rating by the ESRB from the Nintendo Gamecube, but backed down when sales dipped and the competitors took off)

 

TBH the only down side I've seen to them is their games are just... boring.. I still love a good romp in the original Mario games, but now they give you literally hundreds of lives and an "do it for me" mode... They've also focused on the group games, which not all of us are capable of having fun in due life and lack of a family unit to play with (or time for many others)

 

Only other thing I personally have disdain for is the exceedingly japanese cutsie styles they always shoot for in almost everything they do now :/ it just gets old... FAST... from the interface, to the game graphics (to which most 3rd party developers don't even scratch the quality they should get out of the Nintendo consoles/handhelds... which is sad, cause the 3DS could have some good gfx if someone bothered to try)

 

I do like their stuff still, but like i said, I just find it boring for some reason, and that terrible music at the menu's and the little noises add to that like a lullaby.

 

No idea on the abandonment accusations though, or why so many hate on them in general. The consoles aren't bad, its just the lack of innovative developers willing to build for the proprietary controls that is sorely lacking. That and Nintendo's own reluctance to even utilize their own controls...

 

Then again.. maybe thats it, the lack of the tiny atypical gamepad controls must be off putting to people or something. Because being NEW and inventive is apparently a terrible thing.

I've never heard of them banning anything over T on the Gamecube before, if true they must've backed down on that pretty quick since it had Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness(published by Nintendo even), and that Metal Gear Solid remake within the first year or two of it.

People's problem is that, for the most part, Nintendo refuses to publish anything violent, perhaps with the exception of recent Ubisoft games. Therefore, they can accuse them of being too "childish" and not making "real games," and delete them from the clan of "gamer" companies.

 

Perhaps also the fact that they haven't made a truly new Zelda game since 2000.

Well, lately they did publish that Ninja Gaiden 3 update for Wii U's launch(even though it did end up getting ported anyway), which was pretty violent, and are publishing Bayonetta 2. Sure, they're not made internally by Nintendo, but it's not like they're against publishing M-rated games or anything, like that really matters anyway.

Gotta say though, saying they haven't made a 'truly new Zelda game' since 2000 is kinda bogus, especially since Majora's Mask(the Zelda game made that year) reused so much from OoT itself, and Skyward Sword's controls and general structure were very different, which turned off some, but I loved it personally, I would call it a very different Zelda game.

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

Nintendo has always been the kid of the party compared to Sony and Microsoft, but that doesn't make it lame.

 

Most claim Nintendo will always fail due to being more of the friendly and childish part of the gang, as most seem to stick with the action and entertainment that Sony and Microsoft have.

 

They also seem to get the least amount of hope, as any mistake like lack of third party support means bankruptcy towards them, but just a scratch for Sony and Microsoft.

 

Next to Sony, I've always been rooting for Nintendo and still do, sad thing is, not many realize how cool Nintendo is at times when releasing games like Fire Emblem Awakening are one of the many examples of how amazing they can be compared to the competitions. 

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

From what I've seen, it's become cool among the people that call themselves "hardcore gamers" to completely forget gaming's roots and hate on Nintendo for being "kiddy" as of the Wii/360/PS3 generation.

 

Personally, I think it's bullshit, but unfortunately not completely non-understandable(is that even a word, I think my brain is "hehe pretty stuff, I don't want to think" because I've been playing MGS4 on a 32in HD TV and using one of those for the first time in my life). The Wii only had a handful of really good games that mostly got drowned out by all the shovelware. The Wii was the first system I owned that gen and I still have only like under 20 games for it(mostly because the narrow amount of good games has caused the prices of said good games to stay high for the most part)

 

So in short, it's mostly entitled brats that that think "omg u dnt ply COD u nwb lsr" that you'll see bitching the most.   

Edited January 2, 2014 by Shoboni

[Shanks 10,816]

I have always loved Nintendo because I grew up with them, I saw them thrive during the console wars of the 90's. Nintendo and Sega head to head pushing each other to be the best, it was a great time to be a gamer. Nintendo certainly dosen't deserve some of the blind hatred that it has gotten, but that dosen't mean that they haven't made some incredibly bone headed moves in recent years. The Wii was not the greatest console ever and I think the whole motion control thing was a bit over rated but for what the Wii was it was a decent console, most of the early games sucked because the controls were awkward but although it took a year or two Nintendo had some decent games and a handful of really good games mostly from its heavy hitters like Zelda, Mario ect... Where Nintendo really shines is the handheld market is where they have dominated where Sony came seriously late to the party by taking forever to release decent PSP games and taking even longer to release games for the Vita. Nintendo is unfortunetely making the same mistake the with Wii U, it is a good console with a lot of potential but the problem it has practically no games though the Playstation 4 and Xbox One have the same problems but with the Wii U being out a full year before those consoles they have even less of an excuse.

[Dark Heart 284]

Well Nintendo as done pretty much wrong choices and they themselves have admitted to it.

 

Tho it is true its their company and they can do whatever they want, in the end is the consumer that decides what THEY want from a company and Nintendo is relearning that again.

 

They have made a lot of mistakes which lead to the rise of playstation, losing squarenix, and in the're goal to be stay whit the cartdrige system they let companies such as Sony and MS to get ahead of them, and whit the introduction of Xbox 360 and PS3 Indie Development rose and brought us new IP's along whit diversity which nintendo fail to deliver.

 

It is true that the current game companies have made blunders but its is nintendo who as stayed behind and because of it there is much hatred among the older gamers, cause again us older gamers are tired of playing the same games over and over, MS and Sony realize this which is why they change there previous hardware to one that is more compatible to new developers, which for such companies allows them to have more freedom and a bigger library of games whit out having to invest that much money out of their own pockets.

 

In the other hand Nintendo hasn't made any new game that out stand over the crowd, and whit the New Wii U they are barely bringing they newer games, and the system as been out for what now? a year? 2? and it was an expensive hardware to begin whit and no good release games to make the burden of buying a new console feel less expensive, so people rather wait for the new consoles from sony and MS, their game library hasnt change really that much over the last ten years, its always Mario Bros, Link/Zelda Smash Bros and anything we get after that we have to beg them for it so yeah.....

 

Plus this may seem like a minor thing but the whole youtube issue is another thing that scare loyal fans of the company driving them away to other consoles or even PC gaming.

[TheEngineer 188]

There's quite a bit to say about this topic. I'm not sure anyone really hates Nintendo aside from the fanboys and Game Informer; but Nintendo has had a checkered history in recent times in terms of games and consoles they've released. In general, yes, though, gamers have been a bit harsh on Nintendo. 

 

The Wii was a great system. Sure, it paled in comparison when it comes to power, but if you are buying the Wii for power you aren't Nintendo's audience. The Wii was a fantastic creative system that had very little power usage, interesting controls that did work at times, and a decent library of games. People, however, looked in all the wrong places for good Wii games. I remember being disappointed with the lack of shooters until I played The Godfather: Blackhand Edition for the Wii which was unbelievable fun. It really was a blast running around and picking fist fights with people, and felt better than any fighter the 360 or PS3 could conjure up. Still, I sometimes wonder if people who played the Wii had ever bothered to play Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart, the Metroid Trilogy, or the numerous other first party games that rocked. Another department the Wii did well on was miscellaneous third party games that were genuinely a good time or unique. Endless Ocean was a game that really struck me with its beauty and relaxing music. In short, the Wii sucked....if you didn't know where to look. The other drawback, of course, was that good games didn't come out as often as they did with third parties working day and night on the other consoles. You also had to be patient.

 

Now, with the WiiU, I do think that Nintendo has earned a lot of criticism. They've reverted back to a tablet format for the controller and I'm honestly tired of see tablets everywhere. The WiiU, also, while it is an improvement feels like just that. I was looking forward to a new direction but I honestly think Nintendo dropped the ball here. Still, though, there are some good games on the WiiU and, though it's still a bit expensive, it is right for certain people. 

 

With all of that said, though, I believe the reason Nintendo has been receiving so much flack is because the great games haven't been on their consoles as of late. The Last of Us, Spec Ops, Fallout, the Tales series, Bioshock, Dishonored, and many more aren't on the WiiU and it's a shame. Sure the WiiU gets the occasional port like Deus Ex and Batman Arkham City, but it's not the same as having a steady flow of new and groundbreaking games. 

 

The real reason Nintendo deserves some criticism is not bad hardware, it's because they've been leaning too much on their go-to franchises and not appealing enough to the developers of some truly monumental games. In all fairness, Microsoft doesn't do much either but they have a more powerful console and brand recognition which gets them instant developer recognition. Sony, to their credit, has become much more aggressive in trying to get developers onboard and coming up with new first party IPs. I would almost say that Sony has become the new Nintendo in terms of having a flood of great games on their console. 

[Paianis 489]

I wouldn't put the Wii in the same ballpark as the PS2 and the Dreamcast. It had a 700MHz processor, which was more powerful than any of the sixth generation consoles (but admittedly, dangerously close to the 400MHz unit in the Gamecube). It was the first Nintendo console with full-on backward compatibility. It was overpriced, but thanks to marketing it sold like hotcakes the world over.

 

Thanks to this, and their handheld business, they are in a safe haven financially. Not even sluggish sales of the Wii U can diminish that (even then, at close to 5 million, it has not been standing still). They have plenty of time to rectify things and restore their home console business to a healthy position. And in the meantime, enjoy the games they're releasing right now. Be grateful that they're not cashing in on the all-to-common First Person Shooters, which the rest of industry seems to have spread their cheeks over for several years.

[Geek0zoid 1,468]

 

 

Now, with the WiiU, I do think that Nintendo has earned a lot of criticism. They've reverted back to a tablet format for the controller and I'm honestly tired of see tablets everywhere. The WiiU, also, while it is an improvement feels like just that. I was looking forward to a new direction but I honestly think Nintendo dropped the ball here. Still, though, there are some good games on the WiiU and, though it's still a bit expensive, it is right for certain people. 

You know, you don't have to use the gamepad for most Wii U games. There exist normal controllers called "Pro controllers that you can use Still ,those aren't the focus. The gamepad is actually pretty good, but it really does depend on which games you're playing.

[TheEngineer 188]

You know, you don't have to use the gamepad for most Wii U games. There exist normal controllers called "Pro controllers that you can use Still ,those aren't the focus. The gamepad is actually pretty good, but it really does depend on which games you're playing.

 

Well, there's my ignorance for not owning one. My main issue with the WiiU is that it doesn't seem to be worth a purchase in terms of the games out for it. 

 

Also, I do have a bit of an issue with Nintendo stance on visuals not mattering as much as gameplay. How can one blame developers for wanting more artistic freedom in terms of realism and the smoothness of visuals in their games?