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Would you like a Well-Intentioned Extremist as a villain?


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  1. 1. Would you like a Well Intentioned Extrimist?

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We already have a lot of villains.

Tragic villains :Sunset Shimmer and Nightmare Moon

Evil by nature: Queen Chrysalis

Choatic evil : Discord and the Maniac

Complete Monster : King Sombra

Card carrying villain: Ahuizotl

 

So why not make the next villain a well intentioned villain who thinks he is doing the right thing? Like Amon or Magneto.

 

What does everyone think?

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It wouldn't be easy to pull off; there's a lot of factors that need to be taken into consideration here.

 

If it's done right, then you've got a hella-cool villain who will get you more involved due to his/her own delusion.

 

If done wrong, though, it's going to be just a laughable villain who takes away from the episode.

 

Like, he still needs to be evil; everyone would need to be able to see it, too, except for him; same goes for his delusion.

 

His deed he believes is "right" would also need to be harmful to others, naturally; he'd just fully believe it was for the good.

 

If things like that aren't done, the guy/chick would be a total laughing stock.


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Digimon 02 had Yukio Oikawa, who just wanted to go to the Digital World, not conquer it or anything. Unfortunately, he was still desperate enough to ally himself with evil Digimon and put the entire interdimensional balance at risk in the process.

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That'd be great, particularily if it was an Anti-Spiral style villain. He had good intentions and what he's trying to do is good, but the way he goes about it is evil. In the case of Anti-Spiral, he wanted to save the universe from the Spiral Disaster. To do that, he had to slaughter every Spiral Race


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Super Paper Mario has Count Bleck (my avatar), who initially wants a Roaring Rampage Of Revenge on the entire multiverse for Tippi's "death," but then remorsefully wants a Thanatos Gambit instead once he finds out she's (obviously) still alive.

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Absolutely. Kinda sick of mustache-twirling, admit-to-being-evil villains in general, to be perfectly honest. Wish I could source this quote, but "everyone's the hero of their own story", and throughout human history, a majority of those who most of us would consider 'evil' honestly believed they were doing what was best...yes, even Hitler. So to have a villain who really does think s/he's doing the right thing in causing suffering and misery would make for a very 3-dimensional villain, one that, in my opinion, we've not seen in FiM so far.

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It can be based off the statements Plato made during his trial, when he was accused of being a corrupting influence. If someone were to intentionally be evil to those around them, then they would be making everyone miserable, making their surrounding environment miserable, and in turn, making themselves miserable. No sane person would intentionally want to do themselves harm. So whatever evil is being done would be perceived by the culprit as doing some form of good in their own eyes. Their intention is to better the world around them, which would ultimately benefit them, at least that's how they would see it. 

 

A villain like this would be an impressive feat for a kids show. The hard part would be figuring out what they would be fighting for, what cause are they trying to promote? And can kids grasp the concept of a character like that?

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I would like it to be a villain that even Celestia would put her hoof down against because she banished this character. Really tie it into this image the show threw around a few times of Celestia being very scary on punishments and how for a time she was like that for a bit which became a legend.

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Alot of my favorite villains in movies, comics, manga/anime, cartoons, video games ect fall under this category. Such a villain would be much harder to pull in a show like MLP because of its a "girls show" in addition to being a kids show. In G1 they had Tirek and Grogar who were even darker than King Sombra which I am amazed they managed to get away with and we have Discord who is actually the thing that finally convinced me to try this show so some very surprising things can happen in certain shows from time to time.

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We already have a lot of villains.

Tragic villains :Sunset Shimmer and Nightmare Moon

Evil by nature: Queen Chrysalis

Choatic evil : Discord and the Maniac

Complete Monster : King Sombra

Card carrying villain: Ahuizotl

 

So why not make the next villain a well intentioned villain who thinks he is doing the right thing? Like Amon or Magneto.

 

What does everyone think?

Sorry, what's tragic about Sunset again?

 

And Discord is more chaotic neutral. Morality isn't any concern, it's just the chaos that counts. :P

 

A well-intentioned extremist would be pretty neat if they can pull it off well. Or (even more difficult to pull off), a sympathetic villain. That rare lunatic who is clearly doing horrible things but you can't help but feel sorry and kinda sympathetic for him. Sometimes overlaps with well-intentioned extremists.

 

Like, Magneto is a "well-intentioned extremist" in that he thinks he's doing the 'right' thing but in reality, he's essentially being Hitler and doing the thing humanity did to make him hate them. His view of it as 'right' is fundamentally flawed, no rational person could sympathize at all. (But I love him anyway because villains are cool.)

 

Then you've got, say, somebody like Zod in Man of Steel. What he's doing is awful but at the same time, it's perfectly understandable. He was born and raised for the sole purpose of protecting his people and now he's just doing literally all he can to try to preserve them. It's the most basic instinct of any lifeform, help the species thrive. The thing that makes him go to extremes is that the way his society brought him up, it's his only instinct at all. He's still going way out of line but honestly, if humanity were on his side of the glass, we might do the same thing. History shows well enough that as a species, we don't hesitate to kill people just to take their stuff either. XP

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There could be the villain who was wronged by Princess Celestia.

 

A villain who uses machines and has a negative view towards magic.

 

A long lived Dragon Wizard whose powers cannot be rivaled. He has a network consortium of various agents working in the world. They kept tabs on the Mane 6 the entire time learning their strengths and weaknesses.

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A villain with a goal that they believe, and somewhat is, an improvement of something in equestrian society, but involves the loss of some form of freedom, making everypony unhappy, but does not see the negative effects that he/she is responsible for, and is blinded by their goal, until most likely the main six reason with them successfully through unknown means and they see the error in their ways. everything is returned to normal, we learn that forcing opinion onto others/taking away a basic right, is wrong, and then we roll the credits.

 

Sounds like an idea that'd be good for season 5

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It could be interesting, but the episode should end with the villain learning what they were doing wrong and changing their ways. Forcing the Mane 6 to fight a character that isn't actually evil would be way too dark for a children's show. 


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