Do you mind 'ponies are superior' logic if...

[Bendy 1,821]

In fan fiction do you mind 'ponies are superior' logic (as in ponies are superior to humans, they are stronger, they are overpowered and can somehow survive a nuclear bomb dropped on them due to overpowered magic and blah blah blah.) if the ponies aren't evil?

 

As in (my standard of evil) Princess Celestia not behaving like the dark lord Sauron (but actually behaves more like Gandalf from Lotr and guides humanity.) nor do they try to assimilate humanity into ponies. As in they realize other sapient species out there behave and had a similar history to us.

 

Otherwise if they don't ponies don't fallow those rules, I personally hate the ponies with heat of a thousand suns.

 

And Humanity does not have to be the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40K in order not to be complete pushovers.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Rush

[Commissar Alexer 763]

I actually woudn't really mind being ruled by Celestia or/and Luna as long as they follow certain rules.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

I do not believe the ponies are superior to humans. If anything, while they are a bit more peaceful than humans, they seem to be very similar to us in the way their society is structured and the way they act.

 

Either way, if Equestrians somehow found a way here and tried to rule over humanity or guide us, I would be a freedom fighter until the day I die.

[I used to be a stranger 7,993]

They are only superior if we imagine them to have the same capacities as us, but with inferior abilities to commit acts or thoughts which are wrong or extraneous.

[Bendy 1,821]

I actually woudn't really mind being ruled by Celestia or/and Luna as long as they follow certain rules.

 

 

Such as I said above? Where Celestia is very powerful, yet kind and forgiving, not Sauron. And no killing or subjugating humanity?

[Shanks 10,816]

Ponies can do certain things we can't do like control the weather and use magic and earth ponies are on average stronger than humans but humans have a huge technological edge. Morality is a tad trickier, they are guilty of most of the same sins are us but there is evidence to suggest that they might not share as much guilty on some particular ones. Ponies are not "better" per se but merely better at certain things

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

I believe ponies are more powerful than humans both mentally and physically, in the sense that they can use magic either as a weapon or for work, control the weather, tirelessly plow fields and kick trees, and defeat villains like Tirek, Queen Chrysalis, and Discord - who humans would have no chance against, even with our armies and our tanks.

 

Keep in mind that even though they have all of this power, they still manage to have a more peaceful and harmonic society than we as humans do, so they're also displaying greater mental power by not always waging wars and mindlessly killing each other like we do, but instead working together and maintaining a (mostly) peaceful and friendly society

 

So, yes, I believe the ponies from the show are more powerful than we humans on all fronts

Edited June 10, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

[Bendy 1,821]

I believe ponies are more powerful than humans both mentally and physically, in the sense that they can use magic either as a weapon or for work, control the weather, tirelessly plow fields and kick trees, and defeat villains like Tirek, Queen Chrysalis, and Discord - who humans would have no chance against, even with our armies and our tanks.

 

Keep in mind that even though they have all of this power, they still manage to have a more peaceful and harmonic society than we as humans do, so they're also displaying greater mental power by not always waging wars and mindlessly killing each other like we do, but instead working together and maintaining a (mostly) peaceful and friendly society

 

So, yes, I believe the ponies from the show are more powerful than we humans on all fronts

 

One question, despite all this power. Would they use said power to destroy humanity? If so, then they are abusing their power and are evil.

 

It's very likely many other sapient species out there are just like us humans.

 

Also humans from the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40k would steamroll the ponies with ease.

Ponies can do certain things we can't do like control the weather and use magic and earth ponies are on average stronger than humans but humans have a huge technological edge. Morality is a tad trickier, they are guilty of most of the same sins are us but there is evidence to suggest that they might not share as much guilty on some particular ones. Ponies are not "better" per se but merely better at certain things

 

 

If they are morepowerful than us. I doubt true canon like minded ponies (alternate universe, but very overpowered) would be cruel to humans as they are in some fan fictions such as The Conversion Bureau. You think?

Edited June 10, 2014 by Rush

[Shanks 10,816]

If they are morepowerful than us. But I doubt true canon ponies would be cruel to humans as they are in some fan fictions such as The Conversion Bureau. You think?

A Conversion Bureau sitution would be possible with King Sombra but most of the other cannon ponies probably not. What I meant is that ponies like us exhibit traits such as racism, bullying ect but there are certain things like violence and crime which they probably have but not quite as much of as humans.

[remove p l e a s e ? 800]

Well, I have a theory that Equestria is communist...

Edited June 10, 2014 by SNESEGAMAN

[Bendy 1,821]

A Conversion Bureau sitution would be possible with King Sombra but most of the other cannon ponies probably not. What I meant is that ponies like us exhibit traits such as racism, bullying ect but there are certain things like violence and crime which they probably have but not quite as much of as humans.

 

Yeah, I guess. But also depends on what ponies the humans met. If humans were to met ponies from Fallout Equestria, arguably they are worse than us. Since we're get to have war on the scale like from Fallout.

 

Sorry for bringing up The Conversion Bureau. I just dislike those stories so much, becaaus they basically turned the Ponies into the Reapers from Mass Effect.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Not necessairly addressing the topic properly (in terms of strength, durability, etc.), but - in terms of morality - I'd say ponies are far superior.  I've yet to see (in the show at least) a pony that's 1. a child molester, 2. a rapist, 3. a child rapist, 4. a murderer, 5. a serial killer, 6. a mass murderering, genocide-initiating d-bag comparable to Hitler.  Even the "bad guys" don't go around raping and murdering.

 

And someone please explain to me why I'm supposed to care how "unrealistically" someone portrays the ponies and / or humans in fanfiction lol.  I don't care if Pinkie Pie is able to devour entire planets after transforming them into fudge - within the context of fanfiction.  I don't ever see myself being bothered by a dubious, arguably overpowered portrayal of the ponies in said context.  And, generally speaking, I don't like humans very much.  As a species, we're kind of awful.  So go!  Write up a story where the Mane 6 subjugate the entire human race...  With...  Friendship.  I have no cause to care. xD

[Gary S. 102]

- Why would i have problems with superior ponies who are nice and maybe even free us from certain powerful people and groups?

 

-  I dare to say that the average human is inferior to any other creature. Except of creatures like rabbits, of course. Give my dog sapience and take away my weapons = I would be screwed. Though, thanks to our advanced weapons and quantity i don't feel us inferior to mlp ponies.

 

- TCB is totally OOC

Normal ponies would rather leave us alone. They wouldn't even conquer to really help us. They didn't try to destroy the changelings, so why would they try with us?

[Malinter 3,064]

"I will fight you, winged spawn, till my dying breath i will personally slaugh...."

 

*Celestia makes me a sandwich*

 

"The witch can spawn sandwiches out of thin air! FOR CELESTIA!!!!"

 

*becomes pony-loving traitor with a chainsword*

[Bendy 1,821]

Not necessairly addressing the topic properly (in terms of strength, durability, etc.), but - in terms of morality - I'd say ponies are far superior.  I've yet to see (in the show at least) a pony that's 1. a child molester, 2. a rapist, 3. a child rapist, 4. a murderer, 5. a serial killer, 6. a mass murderering, genocide-initiating d-bag comparable to Hitler.  Even the "bad guys" don't go around raping and murdering.

 

Two words: Kid's show.

 

 

  As a species, we're kind of awful.  So go!  Write up a story where the Mane 6 subjugate the entire human race...  With...  Friendship.  I have no cause to care. xD

 

Ah, but if I did that. The Ponies would become the Reapers from Mass Effect and would have to kill every sapient species that isn't a Pony.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Rush

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Two words: Kid's show.

 

 

 

Ah, but if I did that. The Ponies would become the Reapers from Mass Effect and would have to kill every sapient species that isn't a Pony.

Two more words: So what?

 

The show = canon.  So that's how I regard the ponies.  Rape, child molestation, and murder don't exist in their universe.  Period.  Doesn't matter about the intended audience (which I'm fairly certain has expanded to include some not-kids).

 

Also, WHY would they have to become Mass Effect Reapers lol?  Is that just a leaning you have in pony fanfiction?  I'm not saying logic need apply...  But you take a race without any of the nasty things I described above...  Mix them with humans...  And all of a sudden they're murdering everyone?  I could write a story where they eliminate all hunger, poverty, and violence with mere rainbows and good feelings if I wanted.

[Bendy 1,821]

Also, WHY would they have to become Mass Effect Reapers lol?  Is that just a leaning you have in pony fanfiction?  I'm not saying logic need apply...  But you take a race without any of the nasty things I described above...  Mix them with humans...  And all of a sudden they're murdering everyone?  I could write a story where they eliminate all hunger, poverty, and violence with mere rainbows and good feelings if I wanted.

 

Because it's likely many other sapient alien species are just like us. Some may be even worse.

 

Also, that story sounds rather boring. Not much drama.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Rush

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Because it's likely many other sapient alien species are just like us. Some may be even worse.

 

Also, that story sounds rather boring. Not much drama.

Why is that likely?  Upon what research is that based?  We may be the #1 d-bags in the universe lol.  Somebody has to be at the top.  And I'd write the HAY out of that story! xD  There can be drama, conflict, and even action without graphic violence or mass murder.  Oh wait...  I just described MLP.

 

Edit: Not saying there's anything wrong with stories that contain stuff like violence.  Hell, I wrote a series of narratives from the perspective of an oculus-obsessed serial killer.  But if that's your go-to...  There's more to writing / literature than that.  Relying overmuch upon violence and "mature" subject matter would be as limiting as refusing to write anything that contained violence or the like.  I think so, at least.

Edited June 10, 2014 by PegaMister

[Gary S. 102]

Gawd, it's a lost cause. I'm out.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

I don't see how one could argue that the ponies are better than humans based on the fact that we haven't seen murdering, raping, or anything of that nature. We know that Sombra was a pony and he enslaved an entire civilization just to mine crystals for him. Nightmare Moon was a pony and she wanted to bring Eternal Night, which would have killed everything considering that the world cannot survive without sunlight. Even Lightning Dust seemed unfazed by the fact that she almost killed all of Rainbow Dash's friends with that tornado in "Wonderbolts Academy".

 

So as much as one would want to debate that the ponies are better morally, I disagree. Just because we haven't seen them committing horrible atrocities doesn't make them any better than us. Perhaps they haven't sunken to the level of certain humans who murder or rape, but there are plenty of humans who do great good in the world too, like people who dedicate their life to helping the poor or sick.

 

There are good ponies and bad ponies all over too. The ponies to me are more peaceful and perhaps more understanding than humans, but they fall for many of the same traps we do. For example, remember Zecora? The ponies were pretty much being racist toward her since they didn't know who she was and thought she was a pony-eating enchantress.

 

Just how I see it.

[User07832407840 177]

There are good ponies and bad ponies all over too. The ponies to me are more peaceful and perhaps more understanding than humans, but they fall for many of the same traps we do. For example, remember Zecora? The ponies were pretty much being racist toward her since they didn't know who she was and thought she was a pony-eating enchantress.

They were just scared of Zecora because they hadn't seen anything like her. They didn't know she was just another kind of animal, they thought she was evil. They're extremely non-racist towards the different races of ponies, and that, along with the fact that there seems to be very little class division in their society (Canterlot and Ponyville do differ from each other in how high-class the ponies in Canterlot act, but I mean there's no class division within one of those places, and barely any economic differences if any at all), is enough to show to me how much better the ponies are than humans. There's occasional villains in MLP, but a lot of them aren't even ponies (like Queen Chrysalis and Discord), with some exceptions like Sombra. Nightmare Moon, of course, went back to being good. There seems to be a hek of a lot less evil ponies than evil humans, but I think the main thing that points towards the ponies being naturally better morally than humans is what I explained about their society being so much superior, which I think shows that a much higher percentage of ponies have a very good moral sense and a natural sense of how they should act for society to function well than with humans.

By the way, though I'm on the opposite side of this discussion as you, I brohoofed your post because I clicked on it accidentally... I'm just letting you know so you're not confused. I don't know if I should have explained that, I hope it didn't make things awkward.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

They were just scared of Zecora because they hadn't seen anything like her. They didn't know she was just another kind of animal, they thought she was evil. They're extremely non-racist towards the different races of ponies, and that, along with the fact that there seems to be very little class division in their society (Canterlot and Ponyville do differ from each other in how high-class the ponies in Canterlot act, but I mean there's no class division within one of those places, and barely any economic differences if any at all), is enough to show to me how much better the ponies are than humans. There's occasional villains in MLP, but a lot of them aren't even ponies (like Queen Chrysalis and Discord), with some exceptions like Sombra. Nightmare Moon, of course, went back to being good. There seems to be a hek of a lot less evil ponies than evil humans, but I think the main thing that points towards the ponies being naturally better morally than humans is what I explained about their society being so much superior, which I think shows that a much higher percentage of ponies have a very good moral sense and a natural sense of how they should act for society to function well than with humans.

By the way, though I'm on the opposite side of this discussion as you, I brohoofed your post because I clicked on it accidentally... I'm just letting you know so you're not confused. I don't know if I should have explained that, I hope it didn't make things awkward.

 

Where are all these evil humans you're talking about? When you walk the streets, are you constantly accosted by humans who bully you and want to hurt you? No. Humans and ponies are just alike in that sense. There are bad humans out in the world that wage war and murder, but the truth is that the majority of humanity just want to live a normal live without being harmed. Ponies are prone to the herd mentality just as much as humans are when it comes to violence and hatred anyway. Which leads me to Zecora...

 

Here's the thing about racism: that's exactly why some humans are racist too, because they haven't met the objects of their hatred. Have you ever heard of Daryl Davis? If you haven't:

 

http://hiphopwired.com/2013/11/25/black-musician-kkk-members-collects-hoods/

 

He's a Black Musician who meets KKK members and once they get to know him as a person, they befriend him because they realize black people are just normal people like they are. It's the same exact thing as what happened with the ponies and Zecora.

 

There are clear class differences in Equestria. You have ponies that live out in the swamps near a Chimera, and I'm sure they're not doing that by choice. The ponies in Canterlot do look down on ponies from other places; just look how those two ponies that Rarity was trying to impress reacted when ole Turniptruck spoke to her and said that he knew her. Class division does exist. Heck, Alicorns are at the top and are obviously the rulers; sure, you can argue that they are selected because they understand friendship and being nice, but Luna once transformed into Nightmare Moon out of jealousy and wanted to spread the Night over all of Equestria, can they really be trusted with this power if they are still prone to such a basic emotion as jealousy that can cause them to spiral out of control?

 

That's untrue to me that pony society is superior. The ponies don't seem to care about anything like politics or the fact that they are ruled by a Matriarchy-Oligarchy. The ponies don't even seem to get to elect or choose their own leaders, other than in their own towns like Mayor Mare. Those aren't advancements at all, they are backwards politically since they have all-powerful rulers. Whether those rulers are benevolent or not is inconsequential.

 

And no sweat, I brohoof posts all the time of people who are arguing with me if they make good points. Even if it was accident in the end, it's whatever to me, brah.

[Hive King 2,001]

Not necessairly addressing the topic properly (in terms of strength, durability, etc.), but - in terms of morality - I'd say ponies are far superior.  I've yet to see (in the show at least) a pony that's 1. a child molester, 2. a rapist, 3. a child rapist, 4. a murderer, 5. a serial killer, 6. a mass murderering, genocide-initiating d-bag comparable to Hitler.  Even the "bad guys" don't go around raping and murdering.

 

And someone please explain to me why I'm supposed to care how "unrealistically" someone portrays the ponies and / or humans in fanfiction lol.  I don't care if Pinkie Pie is able to devour entire planets after transforming them into fudge - within the context of fanfiction.  I don't ever see myself being bothered by a dubious, arguably overpowered portrayal of the ponies in said context.  And, generally speaking, I don't like humans very much.  As a species, we're kind of awful.  So go!  Write up a story where the Mane 6 subjugate the entire human race...  With...  Friendship.  I have no cause to care. xD

Fantastic logic. I haven't seen any of those either...DOES THAT MEAN THAT HUMANS DON'T HAVE THEM?!

 

Regardless, NMM was going to kill everyone on the planet, the Love Potion the CMC made is a form of coerced sex/rape, Sombra was a slaver and was about to eat Spike for lolz, Sunset Shimmer was about to turn Twilight to gibs, and NMM almost impaled Twilight

On topic, yes, it does annoy me since it turns the ponies into Mary Sues incapable of doing wrong, which is bad writing. Before you bring up Superman, he gets his ass kicked a lot and has to deal with the moral problems of letting villains live, the fics I'm referring to don't

[User07832407840 177]

There are clear class differences in Equestria. You have ponies that live out in the swamps near a Chimera, and I'm sure they're not doing that by choice. The ponies in Canterlot do look down on ponies from other places; just look how those two ponies that Rarity was trying to impress reacted when ole Turniptruck spoke to her and said that he knew her. Class division does exist. Heck, Alicorns are at the top and are obviously the rulers; sure, you can argue that they are selected because they understand friendship and being nice, but Luna once transformed into Nightmare Moon out of jealousy and wanted to spread the Night over all of Equestria, can they really be trusted with this power if they are still prone to such a basic emotion as jealousy that can cause them to spiral out of control?

 

That's untrue to me that pony society is superior. The ponies don't seem to care about anything like politics or the fact that they are ruled by a Matriarchy-Oligarchy. The ponies don't even seem to get to elect or choose their own leaders, other than in their own towns like Mayor Mare. Those aren't advancements at all, they are backwards politically since they have all-powerful rulers. Whether those rulers are benevolent or not is inconsequential.

Okay, I brohoofed this post intentionally because you made some good points. 

I don't think you get what I mean by class division; I mean economic division. I mean that within Ponyville, is there some really poor ponies and then some really rich ponies and some middle-class ponies. And there isn't. I don't mean class division as in how high-class ponies in Canterlot act and compared to the Ponyville ones, or how they look down on them.

About Luna becoming Nightmare Moon—you'd snap eventually too if ponies kept sleeping through your rule and not paying you any attention for however many years it was. Probably a lot of years. But of course ponies can be trusted to positions of power despite being prone to emotions like jealousy, what a silly question. I'd rather that than a leader who feels no emotion at all. And here's the thing—she didn't become corrupted by power, and that's the huge difference between Luna going crazy and spiraling out of control and a human leader going crazy and spiraling out of control; usually in the case of the latter, it's because of a corruption due to power and/or money. Luna went crazy for a good reason, and Celestia has been in power for who knows how long and she has not ever become corrupt. How many rulers on earth can that be said for?

It doesn't matter than in Equestria most rulers are not elected; democracy isn't necessarily always superior to monarchy. In Equestria, monarchy seems to be the best political system for them since it obviously works extremely well with Celestia being so benevolent. So it is not a sign of ponies being inferior that they do not use the system of democracy like we do.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Fantastic logic. I haven't seen any of those either...DOES THAT MEAN THAT HUMANS DON'T HAVE THEM?!

Watch the news lol.  Access an online sex offender registry; you'll see plenty of child molesters, I'm sure.  Hitler's a matter of historical record.  You know full well those things exist in our world and don't need to literally see them with your own two eyes to know that.  But whatever isn't actually shown or alluded to in the show doesn't exist, so far as I'm concerned.  The rest I'll assume was for lols. xD

 

Edit: Actually, you may well have seen a child molester, rapist, or even murderer and simply not known that they were any of those things.  Or perhaps you saw someone that later committed an act of child molestation, rape, or murder.  Assuming said someone still resembled themselves after having committed one of the aforementioned acts, you could willfully evoke the image of their face and go, "Oh, so THAT'S a child molester / rapist / killer."  And if you'd meant that you hadn't personally experienced any of those things therefore rendering my counter-argument invalid...  There are people who have.  NO ONE has seen a child molested in an episode of MLP lol.

Edited June 11, 2014 by PegaMister