Anyone else not like alcohol?

[Dayrs Monelth 13]

I like to drink on occasion but not extensively. Just enough to get me a friendly buzz. Though I can not stand anything hard. I have to have more fruit-flavored drinks like wine or malt liquour. I get drunk quick so it doesn't really take a lot. For instance, whenver I have wine it seems to just make me very, very happy and when around friends we just have a lot of good fun. Malt is better when I'm alone, I find myself more relaxed. But even so I only drink on rare occasions, I understand the hazzards of alcohol.

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

Well unlike you, i don't just use what i think as fact, i use my college medical class facts as fact.  Alcohol makes your brain produce dopamine.  that is a chemical that your BODY produces in response.  

Fine, admittedly I'm not a med student, but it still stands that the body isn't producing said dopamine reaction on it's own.  It still isn't a natural high set off by outside stimuli, but chemically triggered from within. 

[Luxpony 10]

Ah, ethanol. How I wish I could have you. I have an allergy to ethanol; it makes me feel horribly, violently ill nearly immediately, depending on the ABV of the drink. If I drink very slowly, I can have a low ABV beer.

 

I love beer. It does not love me.

 

sniffs

[Nulln 755]

Fine, admittedly I'm not a med student, but it still stands that the body isn't producing said dopamine reaction on it's own.  It still isn't a natural high set off by outside stimuli, but chemically triggered from within. 

um, yes it is producing it on it's own.  alcohol does not create dopamine, dopamine is released in response to alcohol. 

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

um, yes it is producing it on it's own.  alcohol does not create dopamine, dopamine is released in response to alcohol. 

That's what I meant. The body isn't triggering the dopamine reaction on it's own, it's the alcohol. 

[True Rarity 1,240]

I tried beer once when I was little, and I didn't like it. So, it's as simple as that. I don't drink; hope I never do.

[Nulln 755]

That's what I meant. The body isn't triggering the dopamine reaction on it's own, it's the alcohol. 

Well it's not just randomly deciding to produce adrenaline either, the roller coaster is doing it.

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

Right, the roller coaster is doing it. But the body itself is producing the adrenaline on it's own while the alcohol is, in a way, pushing the button that causes the dopamine release from within.

 

Brain reacts and triggers adrenaline rush from the body. Alcohol triggers dopamine rush. One is set off by bodily function. The other is started by chemical intake. 

[Nulln 755]

Right, the roller coaster is doing it. But the body itself is producing the adrenaline on it's own while the alcohol is, in a way, pushing the button that causes the dopamine release from within.

 

Brain reacts and triggers adrenaline rush from the body. Alcohol triggers dopamine rush. One is set off by bodily function. The other is started by chemical intake. 

You're not understanding.  The g-force from the roller coaster triggers your body to produce the chemicals.  The alcohol triggers for the other chemicals.  It's really the same thing, just different stimuli.  I don't know how to explain this any simpler.

[Iron Shield 88]

I don't drink, nor have I wanted to, but I'm not against it, just something that hasn't really appealed to me yet. The only thing I really drink in general is water, and I've just always been comfortable with that. It's certainly a lot healthier.

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

Well it's not just randomly deciding to produce adrenaline either, the roller coaster is doing it.

From outside the body. it isn't physically going inside the brain and hitting the neural pathway that triggers adrenaline. The mind reacts,  orders the brain, brain triggers adrenaline response. 

 

Alcohol however does physically trigger dopamine release, with or without input from the mind. 

 

You're not understanding.  The g-force from the roller coaster triggers your body to produce the chemicals.  The alcohol triggers for the other chemicals.  It's really the same thing, just different stimuli.  I don't know how to explain this any simpler.

 G-force is still an outside force causing the mind to act form within and order the brain. Alcohol skips this and automatically triggers dopamine from within the body. 

Edited June 15, 2014 by Denim&Venom

[Nulln 755]

 

From outside the body. it isn't physically going inside the brain and hitting the neural pathway that triggers adrenaline. The mind reacts,  orders the brain, brain triggers adrenaline response. 

 

Alcohol however does physically trigger dopamine release, with or without input from the mind. 

 

 G-force is still an outside force causing the mind to act form within and order the brain. Alcohol skips this and automatically triggers dopamine from within the body. 

 

the roller coaster is physically smashing your body between a chunk of metal and increased gravity.  that is directly affecting your body, and your brain is reacting to both that and the fear.  it has nothing to do with your mind.

They are both physically triggering responses.  alcohol does not skip anything.  XD I think you should take a health class before you try saying things like this.

Edited June 15, 2014 by ScumCandy

[Envy 6,191]

I don't see any reason whatsoever to drink alcoholic drinks. Beer is disgusting. It looks like and even (IIRC) smells a little bit like urine. So I'd assume it tastes like it as well. I couldn't get very far into a beer. It felt like I was just drinking acid. It did not feel good.

 

As for the other drinks, I only had a taste of one (a fruity one, of which the name I do not remember), and it didn't do anything for me either. In fact, it activated my gag reflex. ...Yeah.

 

Either way, it's not a taste worth acquiring. I already have enough bad-for-me drinks in my diet (Coke/Pepsi), and if I wanted something fruity... There is always juice.

Edited June 15, 2014 by Envy

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

the roller coaster is physically smashing your body between a chunk of metal and increased gravity.  that is directly affecting your body, and your brain is reacting to both that and the fear.  it has nothing to do with your mind.

They are both physically triggering responses.  alcohol does not skip anything.  XD I think you should take a health class before you try saying things like this.

This is another point we differ on. You're thinking the G-force effects on the brain are purely physiological. I'm saying they are partially psychological, that the minds reaction is helping to spur this production of adrenaline. Cause I'm certain that people who have been on rollercoasters enough or lack a fear response mechanism in their brain will ride a rollercoaster and not receive as much of an adrenaline boost. 

 

I have taken health classes, though with the convoluted curriculum that passes for education, I wouldn't be surprised if this topic was left out. 

[Gernia 691]

I can't stand beer, it seems to be pretty bitter. Wine I don't mind, and can even enjoy. I've also had rum before (it was made in Peru), and I thought it was decent. Overall, I'm not into alcohol, but I'll drink it during some special occasion.

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

To me it tastes kind of like I'm drinking out of a can of gasoline. I once mistook vodka for water, because they have a similar clear color.

 

It tastes nasty and it causes people to change in a negative way, so I don't plan to do it at any time.

Edited June 15, 2014 by Twilly F. Sniper

[Nulln 755]

This is another point we differ on. You're thinking the G-force effects on the brain are purely physiological. I'm saying they are partially psychological, that the minds reaction is helping to spur this production of adrenaline. Cause I'm certain that people who have been on rollercoasters enough or lack a fear response mechanism in their brain will ride a rollercoaster and not receive as much of an adrenaline boost. 

 

I have taken health classes, though with the convoluted curriculum that passes for education, I wouldn't be surprised if this topic was left out. 

I wish you would stop saying what 'i think', because you are very very wrong.  I even said in the post you quoted that it's from the physical stress AND fear.

 

On a roller coaster, all of your organs get shaken around and smashed.  That is pretty physical.

 

And I don't mean high school health classes, I mean one that goes in depth of how different substances affect your body.

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

I wish you would stop saying what 'i think', because you are very very wrong.  I even said in the post you quoted that it's from the physical stress AND fear.

 

On a roller coaster, all of your organs get shaken around and smashed.  That is pretty physical.

 

And I don't mean high school health classes, I mean one that goes in depth of how different substances affect your body.

Fine missed that part. Btu in that same post you said it has nothing to do with the mind. Fear has a heck of a lot to do with the mind. But yes, you are right, it is physical and psychological responses. While alcohol is just physical.  

 

And I'm not telling you how to think, I'm telling my interpretation of your POV based on what you presented. 

 

And I'm not quite sure if that course is offered at my college.

[Nulln 755]

Fine missed that part. Btu in that same post you said it has nothing to do with the mind. Fear has a heck of a lot to do with the mind. But yes, you are right, it is physical and psychological responses. While alcohol is just physical.  

 

And I'm not telling you how to think, I'm telling my interpretation of your POV based on what you presented. 

 

And I'm not quite sure if that course is offered at my college.

So how is physical and psychological damage better than just physical effects?

[Kay Dreamer 884]

@@Denim&Venom, 

As a person who adores roller coasters and is not scared of them at all, yes I do get a massive adrenaline rush which has nothing to do with psychological fear. (Since I'm not afraid.) It's purely physical. The free fall rush, the g-forces, all of these produce a massive adrenaline rush and I come off the ride shaking in pure exhilaration. It's got nothing to do with my brain. It's induced by the physical stresses of the roller coaster.

 

Drinking alcohol for fun is absolutely no different, the physical reaction simply triggers different chemicals.

 

ScumCandy is obviously very well studied on this topic.

 

And again, moderate alcohol consumption has proven health benefits.

[Denim&Venöm 19,243]

So how is physical and psychological damage better than just physical effects?

 

Where are you getting Psychological damage? That indicates mental trauma. If that is caused by a rollercoster then yeah, it would be worse, but most people aren't traumatized by thrill rides. Physical damage is a problem too, but most safe and certified rollercoasters don't cause lasting damage. But the odds of getting liver damage are higher than injuries or psychological trauma from a thrill ride. 

 

But if you mean physical and psychological effects, the ones caused by G-force and mental reactions, then yes, I do view those as safer, as those don't involve the intake of a substance. Also rollercoasters don't or shouldn't effect perception, judgement and sense of balance

 

@@Denim&Venom, 

As a person who adores roller coasters and is not scared of them at all, yes I do get a massive adrenaline rush which has nothing to do with psychological fear. (Since I'm not afraid.) It's purely physical. The free fall rush, the g-forces, all of these produce a massive adrenaline rush and I come off the ride shaking in pure exhilaration. It's got nothing to do with my brain. It's induced by the physical stresses of the roller coaster.

 

Drinking alcohol for fun is absolutely no different, the physical reaction simply triggers different chemicals.

 

ScumCandy is obviously very well studied on this topic.

 

And again, moderate alcohol consumption has proven health benefits.

Fear is only one reaction from the mind. While there are reactions form the physical stresses, your mind also reacts to the sensation and causes you body to act accordingly. You may not be afraid but you are psychologically reacting to the ride and your body is partially dictated by those reactions. 

 

And while moderate consumption has benefits, I still don't see how one can be responsible and take alcohol in moderation when that very substance is effecting your thought. How can you know when enough is enough, when your own perception and judgement are being effected? 

 

I mean I suppose you can just go by just the amount, say one glass and one glass only, and compelled ignore the amount required for a buzz.  I suppose I can respect that a bit more as you are taking it for the health benefits and not to alter the way you think and behave.

Edited June 15, 2014 by Denim&Venom

[Nulln 755]

Where are you getting Psychological damage? That indicates mental trauma. If that is caused by a rollercoster then yeah, it would be worse, but most people aren't traumatized by thrill rides. Physical damage is a problem too, but most safe and certified rollercoasters don't cause lasting damage. But the odds of getting liver damage are higher than injuries or psychological trauma from a thrill ride. 

 

But if you mean physical and psychological effects, the ones caused by G-force and mental reactions, then yes, I do view those as safer, as those don't involve the intake of a substance. Also rollercoasters don't or shouldn't effect perception, judgement and sense of balance

 

 

And while moderate consumption has benefits, I still don't see how one can be responsible and take alcohol in moderation when that very substance is effecting your thought. How can you know when enough is enough, when your own perception and judgement are being effected? 

actually, roller coasters do affect perception and balance.  they design the coasters in a way that tricks your mind into thinking you're out of control and going to crash into other parts of the ride.  that's why it's less scary if you close your eyes, because you won't be experiencing that major part of the ride.  as for balance, have you tried standing up and walking straight after getting off the ride?  And people die on roller coasters all the time.  if you have any health problems, your risk is much higher.

 

You don't seem to have ever tried alcohol.  It does not just magically affect your thoughts.  It slows down your response time when you actually get a buzz or drunk.  A sip or even just a glass for most people will not in any way affect their thoughts or judgement.  You yourself choose how much to have.  If you feel like you have your little tingle, then you can stop there.  If you choose to experience what lies beyond that, then you can make that decision to continue drinking.  You can also slow down the effects by eating or drinking water inbetween each time you take a drink.

Edited June 15, 2014 by ScumCandy

[GlowingFlask 2,356]

And while moderate consumption has benefits, I still don't see how one can be responsible and take alcohol in moderation when that very substance is effecting your thought. How can you know when enough is enough, when your own perception and judgement are being effected? 

 

I mean I suppose you can just go by just the amount, say one glass and one glass only, and compelled ignore the amount required for a buzz.  I suppose I can respect that a bit more as you are taking it for the health benefits and not to alter the way you think and behave.

 

Well, most people are able to judge even with alcohol in their body when they had enough. Don't base your judgement on 16 years old kid that drink cheap vodka because that's all they could steal from their parents.

 

Mature people rarely overdrink, unless they have an alcohol problem, but then it's another debate. I mean, you can get trashed once in a while, but if you do it all the time...

 

I believe you have an exaggerated impression on how alcohol affect a person.

[Kay Dreamer 884]

 

 

Fear is only one reaction from the mind. While there are reactions form the physical stresses, your mind also reacts to the sensation and causes you body to act accordingly. You may not be afraid but you are psychologically reacting to the ride and your body is partially dictated by those reactions.

 

You also psychologically react to alcohol. Humans psychologically react to everything. Ever heard of the placebo effect? Give someone a non-alcoholic drink, tell them it has vodka in it, and watch as they start to 'think' that they're drunk.

 

What we were talking about was physical reactions in response to stimuli, which is the same regardless of whether that stimuli is externally applied or internally imbibed.

 

And while moderate consumption has benefits, I still don't see how one can be responsible and take alcohol in moderation when that very substance is effecting your thought. How can you know when enough is enough, when your own perception and judgement are being effected? 

 

You've never drunk an alcoholic drink, have you?

 

I guarantee, people can absolutely tell when to stop. If you've never actually experienced it, don't make assumptions as to how and what exactly it does to the mind. It doesn't addle you nearly as much as you're assuming it does. (Unless you're deliberately trying to get plastered.)For me, it's as simple as not drinking more than two glasses of wine. If I'm drinking something else - say, apple cider - I just gauge how I'm feeling. The moment I experience that slightly fuzzy mental feeling which comes with being tipsy, I stop. It's easy.

 

Spirits are harder for me to judge. They can do nothing for ages, then come along and hit me like a steam locomotive. Subsequently, I don't drink much spirits. (When I do have cocktails, I limit myself to no more than two. Numbers are a safer bet than feelings, where spirits are concerned.)

 

I don't immediately turn into a slavering moron the moment alcohol touches my lips.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

I have never had alcohol, so it is quite difficult for me to judge. That's largely because of my upbringing; you could say.

 

I won't predict what I will and will not do in the future, though. A good friend of mine drinks responsibly; which prove that it can be done.