Why Are Bronies Disliked?

[Guest]

 

 

Insisting that there should be "rules"

 

If you read all of my comments and not just paraphrase, you will see I said that is the only way they will get what they want, however I always state that I think it's a pointless venture and they should simply just not care that people hate them.

 

 

 

makes the brony fandom sound like a big circle jerk and I don't like being a part of a circle jerk.

 

 

You mean it isn't already a big circle jerk? The major brony "examples" constantly want to put the community in a positive light. Sethisto of Equestria Daily himself stated to avoid media attention because they want to make the fandom look bad. Clearly showing that they want to appear as good. Bronies also paid for a TV ad so that people would know that bronies donated to charity. They felt that for some reason it was important to put this positive image out there.

 

If that isn't a circle jerk, I don't know what is.

 

 

 

People have different opinions about different things and that is not a bad thing because we can accept differences through mutual respect.

 

That is true. I agree with it 100%, however what I don't agree with is being forced to not criticize their opinions. I can criticize your opinion while respecting your right to have it. I will not kill you, jail you or harm you for clopping, but I certainly won't pretend it doesn't bother me. However if someone was punching you for being a clopper, I damn well would try and stop them.

 

 

 

if you expect everyone to be perfect at all times

 

Never did I state or imply this.

 

 

 

You are not the final judge and jury of everything that can and cannot be said

 

Please read all of my posts and not just the ones you feel like paraphrasing. Thank you.

 

 

 

And even if these restrictions were justified exactly how would they be enforced?

 

Simple, you see someone acting racist, what do you do? Tell them they are behaving ignorantly and that their actions are disrespectful and discourage the behavior. You don't beat them up obviously, but you take a stern stance to let them know that what they are doing is deplorable. The same logic more or less applies. You tell cloppers when they try and promote their porn where it doesn't belong to keep their fapping habits to themselves or where it's relevant.

 

 

 

And who would decide on and enforce them in the first place?

 

It kind of boils down to who is right or who is using common sense. Example: bronies get mad at Hasbro for taking down APM and defend it with "fair use" but when it's pointed out that Molestia doesn't fall under fair use and every one of their arguments as to why Hasbro is wrong is debunked, they need to start behaving and respecting Hasbro's right as a company instead of acting like entitled children.

 

Most of the "bad" behavior is stuff that a child could have deducted is wrong.

 

 

 

What you are saying simply has no basis whatsoever in reality.

 

I don't know what you are smoking, but I would like some. No basis in reality? We have built an entire society on the idea that we should behave in a manner that is not deplorable and we are constantly trying to more to make it less and less deplorable. We have evolved past thinking human beings are property because it's deplorable and a violation of rights. We have moved away from having sex with children because it's morally wrong, harmful to them and disgusting. We have based an entire society off of having rules. If we didn't have any, society would crumble.

 

 

 

No fandom has a uniform code of conduct in which all members behave perfectly at all times lest they be booted out,

 

 

Perfect? No. There is no such thing as perfect, however usually in a lot of fandoms when people act ass retarded or in a manner that is outright idiotic they are called out on it. In the brony fandom however it's discouraged to call them out. If someone posts porn in a forum that's PG13 you can't just go "Dude, you are fucking stupid." You have to "politely" tell them not to do that and pretend that it's not a "huge deal" when they post porn where children can see it.

 

 

 

how the hell would you go about booting someone out of fandom anyway?

 

You don't, the object is not to boot anyone, but to tell them that their behavior is unacceptable and discourage it.

 

 

 

And alot of people that are acting innapropriately are trolls and troll like attention and there is nothing that annoys a troll more than to not give take their bait and give them the attention they crave.

 

Which is what bronies do every time someone attacks bronies. They flipped their shit when Howard Stern said some shit, they flipped their shit when Smosh said some shit, they flip their shit almost every time.

 

 

 

if someone is acting innapropriately than ignore them and move on

 

 

and if it is on here or another site than report them and move on

 

These two statements contradict themselves. Reporting them is taking action, not ignoring them. If you encourage reporting them, then you agree with me.

 

Also ignoring them has been what got bronies into the boat they are in now.

 

 

 

I want a fandom that is not some circle jerk

 

Read the above.

 

 

 

where people try to cram their views down other peoples throats

 

You mean like how someone before in this very thread tried to say I was a brony when I did not want to be and insisted I accept his definition of "brony". Or how bronies insist that fanon names for characters are the absolute names to where they will attack you for trying to be original?

 

 

 

Maybe not but that dosen't mean we have to play their games,

 

That's fine, then don't complain.

 

 

 

if people don't want to judge fairly then fuck them.

 

Then fuck the entire world, because I am absolutely certain you have judged people for unfair reasons before and probably will do so again in the future. There is not a human being alive that can say they never have.

 

 

 

The best we can is try to respect one another

 

I never advocated against that.

 

 

 

including non fans and trying not to take the haters and trolls bait.

 

I agree, don't take the bait. Sadly they always seem to take it.

 

 

 

Granted not everyone is going to do that but that dosen't mean we have to get cynical and go "oh well not everyone is doing that so it dosen't even matter."

 

No, we have two choices: 1. encourage people to be better.

2. Not care what "haters" think.

 

 

 

And why should we care about "image"?

 

I think they shouldn't. My points are not that I think they should, I am saying this this is what caring about the image entails if they wish to make it better. I am quite a supporter of not giving a fuck.

 

 

 

No, you are putting them down by claiming it is they are part of the problem

 

Actually, I think the problem is that bronies need to wake up and realize that trying get rid of the hate is pointless.

 

 

 

instead of just accepting that while there are some bad apples among them that with the exception of what they do in private are no different than any other brony.

 

I don't care what they do in private, I care when they do this crap in public and then wonder why people are looking at them funny.

 

 

 

You don't have to associate with them if you don't want to as there is nothing wrong with not associating with people you don't like or are uncomfortable with but it is to demonize and scapegoate people for what they do in private.

 

I am not demonizing them for what they do in private, I am demonizing them for their blatant acts of stupidity in public, such as talking about what they are jerking off to in places where it's not relevant or doesn't belong. I do not personally agree with clopping, but I do not go to clop sites to tell people they are sick. I shouldn't ever know you're a clopper because I do not go anywhere where such a discussion would ever be relevant, so if I know you're a clopper you are clearly talking about it where it's not appropriate.

 

 

 

I am not advocating for censorship here but I think a little more respect and common courtesy is in order.

 

And I think that people telling me what they fap to in places where it's not relevant is disrespectful, which is more or less what I am saying to discourage. I am not saying to go to every clopper and destroy them, just to tell them that their actions are deplorable because they are trying to bring clop where it does not belong. That will be good enough for me, however it still does not mean I support clopping, I just won't go to your precious clop areas to tell you it's wrong because if its in your domain, fine, whatever. I still think it's sick that you are fapping to ponies, but I will hold my tongue if it is kept where it belongs and it is moderated.

 

 

 

No because in most cases they are,

 

That is an assumption with no base whatsoever. It's disrespectful as you claim you want to be "respectful" plus it is an unfair judgment, something you also just spoke against.

 

 

 

I am not saying you are one but the more I see people endlessly obsessing over it the more I am convinced that half of them are closeted cloppers.

 

I rest my case with the above statement.

 

 

 

What is with this obsession anti cloppers have? They talk about clopping more than most cloppers do.

 

I can tell you: cloppers feel the need to share their activities. To tell people they are cloppers when no one wants to know that shit. Those of us who do not do it were willing to pretend it's not there, but cloppers bring it into the forefront to constantly remind us it's there. Wouldn't you be annoyed if I kept telling you how much I loved lesbian porn and got half of the people I know to mention how much we love lesbian porn when it's not even relevant? When no one wants to know what I am masturbating to?

 

 

 

If you don't than why harp on it so much?

 

Because people are not respecting the fact that I don't want to know what you're doing with your wee-wee. People are "informing" me of their clopping habits when it's not necessary, and when I don't want to know about it.

 

 

 

There are fetishes I find a little gross too but I don't harp on them endlessly or judge others for them because so long as it is consenting adults than whether or not you I or anyone else approves of it is irrelvent because it is nobody elses business.

 

 

 If they are keeping it to themselves, sure. Problem is as I have stated many times, these "cloppers" are not keeping it to themselves. I could have friends who have BDSM fetishes that I don't even know about, know why? I never ask. I  don't want to know. If one of them randomly told me, I'm be a little concerned as to why he felt the need to disclose that to me. My point is that if bronies want to be respected, you need to stand against things that are stupid. Otherwise don't complain when people judge your group when you do nothing to solve the issue.

 

Personally my idea is to not give a damn. Don't react. Stop reacting. Because as much as I would like for the brony fandom to stop doing the things that make people "hate" it, I know that'll realistically never happen.

 

 

A lot of people we would call haters are in denial, and actually like FiM.  I know that's hard to understand when it's being attacked by these people, but let me try to explain how they think.

 

Wut...? So your logic is... If you don't like MLP... You like MLP? You're suggesting there is no way to legitimately hate something...?

 

 

 

More than half of all haters in existence (well over half) have an inborn fascination or liking for what they claim to hate.

 

 

Wut... Just... Wut?

 

By that logic half the people who hate murderers love murderers? What? I do not compute.

 

I honestly could not read anymore of what you wrote because my brain could not comprehend this ridiculous broken logic.

[Remi 1,309]

Okay I drew a comic depicting why people hate bronies.

Note, that I understand not all are like this, but a lot are, thus people assume.




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Oh oh! Because haters gonna hate

^Speaking of. lol

Edited January 22, 2014 by The Paris Swing Box

[Guest]

Okay I drew a comic depicting why people hate bronies.

 

Note, that I understand not all are like this, but a lot are, thus people assume.

 

 

 

I know this is more or less ripping the piss, but it is a great because it isn't that far from the truth.

[Renon Strike 67]

i have never been in a position where i have seen Bronies act that way, but yeah in the internet there is a lot of examples of that.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

 I think hate is a strong word. Quite possible it's more like 'annoying' - like how some people feel about Twilight (the vampire movie not the pony) or Justin Bieber. They feel the need to complain and bemoan it because it's the popular thing right now. I'm not saying there are not 'haters' out there but I think it's more if people are not into it and get bombarded with it then it's going to annoy them and that results in complaints and bitterness.

 

That said, there is a darker side to the FIM centered fandom that a lot of people are both uncomfortable with and really turned off by. Sometimes we use the word 'brony' when describing that part of fandom and when complaining, and thus people that identify with the world brony are gonna get upset and come back with things like "we're not like that or we don't all do that". So the generalization can make people upset.

 

Maybe people just need to accept that we're not going to agree on everything and sometimes people are NOT going to like everything that happens in 'ponyland'. Frankly I'm not at all comfortable with the porn or perversion of MLP but that is mostly because I don't view MLP that way and have a hard time accepting it. So when I see some of the really graphic adult themed stuff it really turns me off.

 

The other side part of it is most of the time people are uncomfortable with anything different from them or that doesn't follow with their standards of how things should be. Hell, I'm female and have been into MLP since the 80's. Back in the 80's even some of my own family didn't understand WHY I liked MLP. So it's not just the younger generation who have to deal with people not understanding why you like what you like. Everyone deals with this, no matter who they are. Best thing to do is just ignore the ney-sayers and enjoy what you like. Life is to short to pay attention to those people anyway.

[Remi 1,309]

[snip]

Well you see, it used to be because people hated difference, but I think it's been long enough where people don't care about the bronies, but just want them to shut up about it.

 

>89% of the fandom clops (supposing that's what you're talking about)

>the other 11% lie.

There's weirdoes like me and them in everyfandom, that's why rule 34 is a rule.

 

Maybe you don't view it that way, but rest assured, there will be people who do. x)

 

Well again, we just don't shut the fuck up, that's why people dislike bronies, not because of their pony interests; there's more important things than that.

 

I think you mean:

 

"Don't be afraid to speak your mind;

 

because those who mind, don't matter,

 

and those who matter, don't mind."

 

~Dr. Seuss.

[SBaby 660]

Wut...? So your logic is... If you don't like MLP... You like MLP? You're suggesting there is no way to legitimately hate something...?

 

 

There are plenty of ways to hate something.  Going back to what you said about murder, that is true.  But you typically don't see people actively obsessing on finding videos showing people killing others or sites showing violent images, unless the person is a cop or disturbed.  

 

But someone actively looking for pony videos or sites just to bash them, only shows that they are more interested in FiM than they let on.  Why else would they be so interested in finding them?  There's nothing for them to gain by searching for them so fervently.

 

What I'm suggesting is The fact is, people that are very vocal about hating something, often do so because they in truth admire (or have a fascination with) what they claim to hate, and just don't want to admit it.  The reason for this behavior is typically a result of peer pressure, or some inborn attempt to fit in with what is perceived to be the 'normal crowd' or their 'buddies' who might actually share that hate, despite not being as vocal about it.  

 

Going back to my Rugrats example, this can be seen when the subject actively seeks out the object of their 'hate' in an attempt to get closer to said object (ergo, the girl pushes Chucky because she likes him).  In the case of FiM, haters will seek out videos and sites related to what they hate in order to attack it and show the world how much they 'hate' said series.  Over time, they will accept that aspect of themselves and become what we refer to as bronies.

 

As was stated before, I have personally encountered this on numerous occasions, with different franchises.  One was FiM, while another was Sailor Moon.  In both cases, people who claimed to hate said shows turned out to actually be fans who enjoyed them in secret, and used 'hating' the shows as a way to get closer to them without appearing to be fans in the public eye.

 

That's why you don't worry about them.  They come around on their own in good time.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SBaby

[Guest]

 

 

This is why your debate with me falls flat.

 

Aren't you kind of awarding yourself victory...?

 

 

 

You were unable to read my post, and therefore attempted to rebut me with shallow asinine statements that make no sense and take what I said completely out of context, forcing me to repeat myself when there was no reason why I should have had to.

 

I was capable of reading it, it's just you started your "argument" with assumption, assumption, assumption, and then broken logic. It's difficult to take you seriously when you start your argument with broken logic. However since you feel that I "need" to refute it all (I was kind of going easy on you because I figured you were embarrassed enough by using such a crappy logic set), allow me to go back and do so if that would please you.

 

 

 

What you have to understand is this.  A lot of people we would call haters are in denial, and actually like FiM.

 

Assumption based upon little to no evidence. We like to call this the "safety blanket". Wrap yourself in it and believe it so that you don't have to accept that people may have a legitimate reason for hating something.

 

 

 

More than half of all haters in existence (well over half) have an inborn fascination or liking for what they claim to hate.

 

 

And you base this on the evidence of what? Just because people take time to speak against what they hate doesn't mean they like it or are fascinated with it. I hate homophobia, but I don't go around looking for people making homophobic comments because I'm fascinated with it. I do it because I want to tell them to stop because I want homophobia to stop. This is a broken argument and hardly even deserves refuting because it should be obvious that it's wrong.

 

 

 

So they search for it and attack it as a defense mechanism.  Essentially, it's similar to how a little girl might knock a little boy down, because she likes him.

 

What...? No. Those two things are NOTHING alike. I don't even know how you could think that. Read the above.

 

 

 

There was a very well done episode of Rugrats that actually addressed this issue, and was remarkably clever about it.

 

Yeah... When it's children. When we're adults we generally don't behave like that. I don't know many 30 year old guys who pick on girls to tell them that they like them. I certainly don't tell people that are trying to date people who are 14 when they are 22 that it's disgusting and morally wrong and make a big deal about it because I want to do that. I do it because it's fucking sick.

 

 

 

So when it comes to haters in regard to FiM, most of the time they will seek out pony material and bash it (often on youtube or a message board, where the general public will see their posts), because in their mindset, it's the only way they can be near the material, without having to truly face the idea that they might like it.

 

No. 100% no. While some people may do this because they are deranged, most people do it because bronies react and it's funny to watch them react. Others do it because bronies try to push ponies into shit that it's not relevant in. A lot of the time I see bronies getting "attacked" on youtube videos is on videos that have nothing to do with ponies that bronies feel the need to relate back to ponies. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. You are assuming everyone has some reason for hating bronies beyond that they are fucking annoying.

 

 

 

So I don't really worry about haters, or people that claim not to be bronies.  I look at them more as future-bronies.

 

This right here is part of why a lot of people find bronies annoying. They are pretentious. They assume that no one could possibly see ponies and legitimately not like it. It's arrogant, it's pretentious and it's fucking annoying. I have met plenty of people who watched an episode, didn't like it, never looked at it again. It's the mentality that you just illustrated which annoys people and makes people want to attack bronies.

 

 

 

One thing about the people I described above, they almost always end up becoming fans of what they hate on.

 

 

What solid evidence do you have to back this up? You met a couple of people? I have met plenty who never joined the fandom even after seeing the show. This is a baseless claim and it's ridiculous.

 

 

 

The fact is, people that are very vocal about hating something, often do so because they in truth admire what they claim to hate,

 

I am very vocal about how I hate pedophilia as are many Americans.

 

 

 

Going back to my Rugrats example,

 

Are you seriously trying to use a cartoon about a 2 year old and a playground crush as a serious analysis for comparison...?

 

 

 

In the case of FiM, haters will seek out videos and sites related to what they hate in order to attack it and show the world how much they 'hate' said series.

 

You keep saying this like a majority of the hate is on their videos and in places where only bronies would normally roam. I used to administrate a whole brony social network, and let me tell you: seldom did we get anyone who joined to troll the bronies. In fact, I think I only banned 2 people in my entire time that did that. "Haters" are not going to brony places to hate on them. They are hating on bronies who bring themselves to THEIR territory or neutral territory and try to make it about ponies.

 

 

 

I have personally encountered this on numerous occasions,

 

So that means you have an accurate survey and we should trust your word for it as evidence? How many times have you seen it? 10? 20? Would you be willing to say that the incidents you've seen it are an accurate representation of the majority? I think not.

 

 

Did you still want to debate this on an intellectual level, or do you want me to go back to not being able to blink because of the amazingly ridiculous logic you're presenting? I can do that if you like, frankly I feel it would be easier than defending the position you have just put yourself in. 

[Windseeker 546]

You need to clam down there, Misty. These are merely folks trying to voice their opinions and personal experiences relating to the topic. You don't have a detailed representation of the majority of our pony loving empire either.

[Guest]

You need to clam down there, Misty. These are merely folks trying to voice their opinions and personal experiences relating to the topic. You don't have a detailed representation of the majority of our pony loving empire either.

I know I do not, but I am not making the claims of "every hater is this".

 

Also I am calm. I know it's difficult to tell through text, but regardless of how heated a discussion gets, I'm pretty chill. You could call me on the phone in the middle of an "intense" debate and I could chat with you about the weather like it's no big deal. It's just how I talk, I use a lot of humor in how I speak, because it's just my own flavor.

 

Essentially I am more or less refuting the whole "all haters are like this" when there is just as much evidence to point to haters just having legitimate reason for not liking MLP. I think that a lot of us here can admit that some people will not like MLP just because they don't like the show. To say otherwise is to say that it's impossible to not like it, and that would make you quite arrogant.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Guest

[Gone Airbourne 21,977]

Why are bronies hated? It is pretty clear why a lot of the fandom is and you know for one I can't disagree with a lot of people who are not bronies and they get fed up with a lot of the fandom. Lot of times I have seen that you can't voice your own opinions without someone jumping down your throat for what you think. I also think some bronies take this show way way too seriously for their own good. Those threats the fandom was complaining over the whole twilight turning into a alicorn was crazy. A lot of times I have seen bronies being huge idiots who basically bring a shame on the whole fandom itself. You know what I am saying. Another thing, hearing on first thought that a guy likes this show is going to come across as weird to anyone. You won't really understand why people love this show so much unless you actually give it a chance. I mean not everyone is going to like it sure. Also there are just people out there who like to hate others for no reason just how things work.

 

But hey with all that being said. Thankfully not all of them are like that. There are many bronies in the fandom who are really cool people and are level headed when it comes to things.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Cherribomb

[Guest]

 

 

I also think some bronies take this show way way too seriously for their own good.

 

Yesyesyesyesyes.

 

 

 

Lot of times I have seen that you can't voice your own opinions without someone jumping down your throat for what you think.

 

So much more yes. I remember seeing someone getting screamed at for not calling her Colgate, even though several months later, Hasbro named her Minuette.

 

 

 

A lot of times I have seen bronies being huge idiots who basically bring a shame on the whole fandom itself. You know what I am saying.

 

Yes.

 

 

 

There are many bronies in the fandom who are really cool people and are level headed when it comes to things.

 

Absolutely. I have agreed many times, it deserves even more. 

[takai 1,060]

I find that they don't like it shoved in their face the most common complaint. Others just say, "they don't like cartoons for girls". Which is understandable in its own right. The most sickening is "because it's gay". Clearly they have no idea what they're talking about.

 

However, I do find some Bronies very annoying myself. I found a few videos on YouTube of groups of Bronies walking around the Mall of America, with nothing but Brony garb on, and walking around with a laptop playing and singing My Little Pony songs. They bring shame to the Brony Community by doing that crap. It's obnoxious, embarrassing, and plain rude to others. So sometimes, we bring hate upon ourselves.

[SBaby 660]

Aren't you kind of awarding yourself victory...?

 

 

 

 

I was capable of reading it, it's just you started your "argument" with assumption, assumption, assumption, and then broken logic. It's difficult to take you seriously when you start your argument with broken logic. However since you feel that I "need" to refute it all (I was kind of going easy on you because I figured you were embarrassed enough by using such a crappy logic set), allow me to go back and do so if that would please you.

 

 

 

 

Assumption based upon little to no evidence. We like to call this the "safety blanket". Wrap yourself in it and believe it so that you don't have to accept that people may have a legitimate reason for hating something.

 

 

 

 

 

And you base this on the evidence of what? Just because people take time to speak against what they hate doesn't mean they like it or are fascinated with it. I hate homophobia, but I don't go around looking for people making homophobic comments because I'm fascinated with it. I do it because I want to tell them to stop because I want homophobia to stop. This is a broken argument and hardly even deserves refuting because it should be obvious that it's wrong.

 

 

 

 

Yeah... When it's children. When we're adults we generally don't behave like that. I don't know many 30 year old guys who pick on girls to tell them that they like them. I certainly don't tell people that are trying to date people who are 14 when they are 22 that it's disgusting and morally wrong and make a big deal about it because I want to do that. I do it because it's fucking sick.

 

 

 

 

No. 100% no. While some people may do this because they are deranged, most people do it because bronies react and it's funny to watch them react. Others do it because bronies try to push ponies into shit that it's not relevant in. A lot of the time I see bronies getting "attacked" on youtube videos is on videos that have nothing to do with ponies that bronies feel the need to relate back to ponies. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. You are assuming everyone has some reason for hating bronies beyond that they are fucking annoying.

 

 

 

 

This right here is part of why a lot of people find bronies annoying. They are pretentious. They assume that no one could possibly see ponies and legitimately not like it. It's arrogant, it's pretentious and it's fucking annoying. I have met plenty of people who watched an episode, didn't like it, never looked at it again. It's the mentality that you just illustrated which annoys people and makes people want to attack bronies.

 

 

 

 

 

What solid evidence do you have to back this up? You met a couple of people? I have met plenty who never joined the fandom even after seeing the show. This is a baseless claim and it's ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

I am very vocal about how I hate pedophilia as are many Americans.

 

 

 

 

Are you seriously trying to use a cartoon about a 2 year old and a playground crush as a serious analysis for comparison...?

 

 

 

 

You keep saying this like a majority of the hate is on their videos and in places where only bronies would normally roam. I used to administrate a whole brony social network, and let me tell you: seldom did we get anyone who joined to troll the bronies. In fact, I think I only banned 2 people in my entire time that did that. "Haters" are not going to brony places to hate on them. They are hating on bronies who bring themselves to THEIR territory or neutral territory and try to make it about ponies.

 

 

 

 

So that means you have an accurate survey and we should trust your word for it as evidence? How many times have you seen it? 10? 20? Would you be willing to say that the incidents you've seen it are an accurate representation of the majority? I think not.

 

 

Did you still want to debate this on an intellectual level, or do you want me to go back to not being able to blink because of the amazingly ridiculous logic you're presenting? I can do that if you like, frankly I feel it would be easier than defending the position you have just put yourself in. 

 

First, there's no reason to flame me, because you disagree with me.

 

Second, you admitted to not reading my post.  Therefore, you refused to even address it.

 

Third, I have plenty of evidence.  Not only do I have years of personal experience, there are psychological analyses that back up what I said here.

 

Finally, why are people actively seeking pony videos and pony sites, and attacking the fandom there when they obviously have nothing to gain from it?  Because in truth, they like the series and don't want to admit it.  

Edited January 22, 2014 by SBaby

[Guest]

 

 

Look, there's no reason to flame me, because you disagree with me.  Understand that I've based what I posted on decades of observing people in and out of fandoms.

 

I am not flaming you. I am disputing your logic because it doesn't work. I do not "disagree" with you, you are wrong. There is a big difference. Disagree means it's strictly a matter of opinion, and in this case we are arguing logic, and your logic has more or less been proven wrong.

 

You asked me to dispute your points and I did.

[SBaby 660]

I am not flaming you. I am disputing your logic because it doesn't work. I do not "disagree" with you, you are wrong. There is a big difference. Disagree means it's strictly a matter of opinion, and in this case we are arguing logic, and your logic has more or less been proven wrong.

 

You asked me to dispute your points and I did.

 

My 'logic' comes from years of experience, as well as basic psychology.  It is not wrong.  It is a pattern that people follow.  I merely have a few personal experiences that add weight to it.

 

Of course nothing I said is irrefutable, because there are always exceptions.  But in my experience, this is the case more often than not.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SBaby

[Dr. Mechano 630]

It's not for liking a kids' show. It's not for liking a girls' show either.

 

Bronies are disliked for making an unnecessarily huge deal about liking a show for kids/girls, and for acting like this huge world-changing counterculture instead of just a bunch of people who like a TV show. It's a good show, but it's just a show. You don't need to "come out" or make a big to-do out of liking the show. Your personal identity as a human being should not revolve around your fandom, whatever that fandom may be. It goes without saying that if you don't act like this, then I'm obviously not talking about you specifically, but this is a pretty widespread behavior in this fandom.

 

This fandom is disliked because so many MLP fans make this cartoon into more than it is. Just enjoy the show, talk about it with other fans, even make fan content if you're so inclined. Enthusiasm is fine, zealotry is the reason people (often justifiably) are put off by this fanbase.

[Guest]

Second, you admitted to not reading my post.  Therefore, you refused to even address it.

 

I didn't read more than those two sentences at first because I figured those two alone were so astronomically flawed that it would be embarrassing to you for me to go any further. You insisted that I should, so I did. 

 

Third, I have plenty of evidence.

Not only do I have years of personal experience,

 

Years of personal experience here isn't evidence. Consider the scale of yourself versus the world. you have not even interacted with 1% of the world, any experience you have can not possibly be an accurate scale, because anyone else could have just as much experience that points to the opposite. Plus your personal experience can not be observed or examined, so it can not be proven to be true or false. It's irrelevant.

 

there are psychological analyses that back up what I said here.

 

If you had evidence to support your argument, why did you not present it at the time of the argument? It seems a little ridiculous to bring it up after you are being refuted, don't you think? Not to mention such a study would not make logical sense if it does exist, and I am willing to bet it is not an end-all-be all or a completely conclusive study.

 

If we apply logic.

 

Logically what you are suggesting is that a majority of people like or admire that which they claim to detest. That would make a lot of people into a lot of bad things, don't you think? Many people oppose and actively speak against racism, homophobia, sexism, murder, rape, child abuse, illegal drugs, etc. Are you prepared to claim that people all secretly like these things? And if not, then what exactly does this logic apply to? When does this logic start applying and stop applying? Is it specific only to TV shows and music? Or does it stretch into beliefs?

 

There is no study that could possibly conclude that, and if there is I would like to see it.

 

Finally, why are people actively seeking pony videos and pony sites

 

I have not seen one "hater" here on this site that came just to say how much he hates the show. And if I have, it's certainly a rare occurrence.

 

and attacking the fandom there when they obviously have nothing to gain from it?

 

Schadenfreude. Bronies almost always overreact to people not liking them or criticizing them. People enjoy watching these overreactions because it's entertaining. Has nothing to do with secretly liking MLP. This is a far more plausible reason.

It's not for liking a kids' show. It's not for liking a girls' show either.

 

Bronies are disliked for making an unnecessarily huge deal about liking a show for kids/girls, and for acting like this huge world-changing counterculture instead of just a bunch of people who like a TV show. It's a good show, but it's just a show. You don't need to "come out" or make a big to-do out of liking the show. Your personal identity as a human being should not revolve around your fandom, whatever that fandom may be. It goes without saying that if you don't act like this, then I'm obviously not talking about you specifically, but this is a pretty widespread behavior in this fandom.

 

This fandom is disliked because so many MLP fans make this cartoon into more than it is. Just enjoy the show, talk about it with other fans, even make fan content if you're so inclined. Enthusiasm is fine, zealotry is the reason people (often justifiably) are put off by this fanbase.

Every time you say words, I want to unbrohoof them so I can brohoof them again.

[SBaby 660]

I have not seen one "hater" here on this site that came just to say how much he hates the show. And if I have, it's certainly a rare occurrence.

 

 

Well, which is it?  Have you seen haters here, or haven't you?  This question is more academic than anything else.

 

 

 

Bronies almost always overreact to people not liking them or criticizing them. People enjoy watching these overreactions because it's entertaining. Has nothing to do with secretly liking MLP. This is a far more plausible reason.

 

 

Perhaps on some occasions.  But there are also cases where they like the show and are only attacking it on every front to 'fit in' with their friends, which in the teenage demographic (a majority of bronies and haters are teenagers) is quite common.

 

As I said before, the best thing to do with haters is not worry about them.  Eventually, many of them come around.  If you have a problem with that idea, there isn't much I can do for you.  But as you yourself said, the real haters thrive on overreaction.  So not worrying about haters is once again the best thing one can do about haters.  

 

If you have a better idea of what to do about them though, I'm all ears.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SBaby

[Koelath 445]

Because half the time, it's less about enjoying a show and more about being a meme-vomiting virus scourge of the internet...

Basically, because a certain very vocal, incessant, obnoxious segment of bronies is essentially an equestrian variant of 4chan.

[Guest]

 

 

Well, which is it?  Have you seen haters here, or haven't you?  This question is more academic than anything else.

 

What I mean to say is that I can not see any that I know off the top of my head. If I have, it's obvious it doesn't happen a lot because I don't remember any. I don't want to say I've seen none, because it's possible I've seen one or two at some point, but it's such a rare occurrence that I don't even recall.

 

 

 

 But there are also cases where they like the show and are only attacking it on every front to 'fit in' with their friends,

 

See, now you're back pedaling. Before you were implying it was a majority, now it seems you're choosing your words more carefully to make your implied group much smaller. I noticed you said "there are also" instead of "most" like you have been saying. There are obviously a few cases like this, but I think you are exaggerating the number of cases.

 

 

 

Eventually, many of them come around.

 

What do you mean by "come around"? Because before you were saying they would become bronies. What do you mean now since you seem to be going back on that statement?

 

 

 

If you have a problem with that idea, there isn't much I can do for you.

 

I have no idea what you mean by this.

 

 

 

But as you yourself said, the real haters thrive on overreaction.

 

Wait, you're agreeing with me now? Earlier you were saying they were driven by their secret love for the show, now you are saying that you agree with me? Which is it?

 

 

 

Also I am waiting for this study you mentioned. I would be very interested in it.

[SBaby 660]

Wait, you're agreeing with me now? Earlier you were saying they were driven by their secret love for the show, now you are saying that you agree with me? Which is it?

 

 

I was only talking about the real haters when I mentioned them thriving on overreaction.  They do. Hence, why you don't worry about them.  Either they will come around, or they'll eventually get bored and go somewhere else.  A vast minority of so-called 'haters' fit in this group.  Most 'haters' are 'haters' for the reasons I mentioned before.

 

As for them coming around, I was indeed talking about them bronifying.  Say what you want about what I said.  The fact of the matter is this.  I don't know everything about why it happens, but most haters eventually come around and start liking FiM.  Stick around, and you'll see it too.

 

That is why the best thing to do is not worry about them.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SBaby

[Guest]

 

 

A vast minority of so-called 'haters' fit in this group.

 

"Vast minority" doesn't make sense, darlin'. Vast means expansive, minority is small. A big amount of minority?

 

 

 

Most 'haters' are 'haters' for the reasons I mentioned before.

 

Which you still haven't proved, and I have asked you for that study twice now, three times counting this one: where is the study to prove this?

 

 

 

The fact of the matter is this.  I don't know everything about why it happens,

 

Yet you keep claiming you know a "study" and that you know...

 

 

 

but most haters eventually come around and start liking FiM.  Stick around, and you'll see it too.

 

Right because in the 3 years the brony fandom has existed the amount of hatred has gone down. I don't know where you've been, but in year one there wasn't really anyone trying to troll bronies besides 4chan. Now Howard Stern does it, Smosh does it, Fox News does it, tons of people on dA, even other bronies. I don't know how you have fooled yourself into this illusion that haters are slowly being converted, but I would very much like to see where you are getting this information from.

 

If you do not provide it this time, I am going to assume you're making it up, because you've been asked 3 times now. 

[SBaby 660]

 

 

Right because in the 3 years the brony fandom has existed the amount of hatred has gone down. I don't know where you've been, but in year one there wasn't really anyone trying to troll bronies besides 4chan. Now Howard Stern does it, Smosh does it, Fox News does it, tons of people on dA, even other bronies.

 

 

I somehow doubt Howard Stern, Fox News, or Smosh are the standards by which we should base anything on.

 

As for the study, it was a study of behavior in general.  One part of it concluded that people exhibit certain behavioral patterns because they see others exhibit said patterns (often, people with low self-esteem).  So 'haters' often attack bronies because they see other people doing it.

[GrimCW 658]

 

 

being shove into my face

 

This is the one that makes me laugh though. Its okay to plaster your favorite sports team, car, truck, or some other "manly" thing all over the place. But do it for something like MLP and its suddenly "shoved" in someones face.

 

The only time this is disliked TMK is when someone already has a problem with it. They aren't as cool with it as they pretend. They could be walking around in a sports jersey for their favorite player and spot a person wearing an MLP shirt and still somehow now feel that it was just "shoved" into their face that that person likes MLP. Now they have hatred for this "brony" for doing that. These are often the same people that'll also go about Facebook plastering half nude images all over (usually things taken from other sites/FB pages), and feel fine. But a person posts a pony... no way! that did NOT just happen!

 

One person described it as having the pony avatars... Who doesn't use an avatar for something they enjoy/like? They also mentioned the forum signatures... I asked again, who doesn't for something they enjoy?! And another that involved memes using ponies in place of something else... One more, WHO DOESN'T for something they enjoy?!

No ones "shoving" anything in anyones face when it boils down. Unless they're being a deliberate troll, than usually its just a typical fan thing. Especially in the "geek" culture, to utilize things based around shows/books/games you enjoy. But even "normal" people do it, again, with the above sports/trucks/cars/sexual imagery that they prefer.

 

 

The reality of the matter here IMO is they just don't feel comfortable enough with the concept, or themselves, so they're making up excuses to explain something they can't really get a bead on.

They know they dislike it, but they don't know why, and they don't know why because they have a pre-programmed bias against such things as it doesn't fit into the "norm" that they're used too.

 

Its not that they actually have disdain, its that they just feel weird, and they don't like that feeling.