Are Bronies also Furries?

[Mephala 2,633]

Furrydom is an off-shoot of anthropomorphism. Obviously it focuses on anthropomorphic animals. I should think that would be obvious.

I was just going by what was specifically stated in the definition.

 

uh, obviously furries are fans of anthro animals, which is exactly what mlp is.  trains are not animals.

See above lel.

TRAINS R PPL 2

Edited January 18, 2015 by Elio

[Discordian 6,015]

I was just going by what was specifically stated in the definition.

 

See above lel.

TRAINS R PPL 2

Right, and you're not wrong. Thomas falls under the anthropomorphic definition but not the furry one. There's also the big difference between the furry off-shoot of anthropomorphism and the furry fandom, further complicating matters.

[Windseeker 546]

A better question is why are furries so hell-bent determined to claim bronies as part of their fandom? I explained a difference in three other threads and I would feel like a broken record at this point, so I like to hear a better reason for once other than this one card 'slight interest in anthropomorphic characters' trait.

 

The ponies share some traits as seen with girls in some Japanese Anime, does that make us Otaku too?

[pakicetus 312]

Furries are defined as people who like (to varying degrees) anthropomorphized animals. Bronies are people (usually male) outside of the target audience who like MLP: FiM.

 

People who like MLP do not necessarily do so because anthropomorphic animals are involved.

 

To say that being a brony makes you a furry, because MLP contains anthropomorphized animals, is akin to saying that you like peanut butter because you eat food with peanut byproducts.

[Windseeker 546]

I think they think the brony fandom by definition is the same as the furry fandom because of pony personas and rp's.

There's role plays and original characters in every fandom though.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,984]

I think it that most bronys meet the  definition of a furry an animal persona. Watching the show dos'nt make you a furry but being in the  fandom does.

Even if Bronies by definition are in fact a sub-group of furries, I still feel completely separate from Furry fandom.

 

Furries are associated with having beastiality related fantasys hence the fur suits. Not to put tooo finer a point on it but furrydom is about a sexual fetish and people go to conventions to hook up. MLP fans don't want to be part of thathence why we have seperate cons.

Isn't that like saying all Bronies are Cloppers?

Edited January 20, 2015 by Krovavaya Luna

[Panne 1,342]

Because Bronies love to preach love and tolerance, but refuse to show it. Like bronies will get offended if a person tells them not to drag their Luna plushy to every damn place they go, (looking at one of my irl friends), but then turn around and tell fans of other things not to enjoy something because it isn't "pony" enough. I went to a pony con once and a bunch of people were giving flack to an artist that was selling video game and anime prints on the side of their pony prints.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Panne

[Banul 3,831]

I don't think that MLP has to be a subgroup of furries, but they do have a lot in common:

 

-Based around animals in some way

-existence of ponysonas/fursonas 

-have their own dedicated conventions

-often generalized as pedophiles/beastiality

-generally looked down on

-has a "darker" side to them

 

One would think that these two groups would be friends. So, it confuses me when one of them flames the other.

[EddG 554]

They are two different fandoms.

One is being a fan of a TV show called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (A brony)

And one is a fan of the concept of anthro animals (A furry)

[1111 1,284]

They are two different fandoms.

One is being a fan of a TV show called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (A brony)

And one is a fan of the concept of anthro animals (A furry)

Like I said a brony by them selfs is not a furry a brony who engages in the fandom with a person and/or rp's is a form of furry which I might think is the argument to pick at.

[Windseeker 546]

Like I said a brony by them selfs is not a furry a brony who engages in the fandom with a person and/or rp's is a form of furry which I might think is the argument to pick at.

Overlapping? Because that happens often between every fandom.

[1111 1,284]

Overlapping? Because that happens often between every fandom.

Well does cereal soup? Original definition of soup to soak up so yes cereal does soup, yet now soup is defined as what we perceive as what it is ideally but still ify .A good  question is how does being a brony deduct you from a furry just because you like pony personas and rping specifically? The only thing I see being a brony who does said things can still be defined by the common ideology of defining and classifying thing;s fandom bronys are still a sub group.

Edited January 20, 2015 by flutersparkle

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

Like I said a brony by them selfs is not a furry a brony who engages in the fandom with a person and/or rp's is a form of furry which I might think is the argument to pick at.

Just as a brony is only a brony if they consider themselves to be, the same applies for a furry.

 

One would think that these two groups would be friends. So, it confuses me when one of them flames the other.

Having similarities can be what makes such group dislike each other so much. Just look at the fighting between different groups of christians. 

[Stolf 12]

I don't think that MLP has to be a subgroup of furries, but they do have a lot in common:

 

-Based around animals in some way

-existence of ponysonas/fursonas 

-have their own dedicated conventions

-often generalized as pedophiles/beastiality

-generally looked down on

-has a "darker" side to them

 

One would think that these two groups would be friends. So, it confuses me when one of them flames the other.

This is my exact point right here~!!

 

It is nothing but bloody titles to make individuals happier about one's self. Calling yourself Gay, bi, demi, straight, etc. Does it really matter: no... not really.

 

But for some reason, and you can see it here, that title makes everyone freak out. The idea of being one or the other and not both keeps everything at bay. People littlerally freaking out a bit because they may be considered a furry for being a brony. Or a proclaimed furry hating someone because they enjoy a cartoon show.

 

These preconceived notions of one is better than the other is just BULLSHIT. Each fandom. OF EVERY FANDOM, has a dark side. People who like Supernatural still put out wave after wave of sexual fanfictions and pictures. Just the same that Bronies put out wave after wave of clopping material and Furries put out wave after wave of yiffy matterial.

 

The difference, really, is that most fandoms hide from the sexualized side of the fandom. Keep it underground and say it doesnt exist. Furries seem to embrace is more, are more open about it. Because of that, seems like 25-50% of the posts here are saying that any kind of tie to Furries is wrong because that is all they want. HELLO, we are human. 99.9% of all of us want sex.

 

But because of this idea, everyone is freaking out about these bloody titles and what people call eachother. Even worse: most seem so wronged by it, that they have to bash each other. Half of these posts are bashing others for what they call them selves. I loved this show and the community behind some heavy core beliefs of freindhip, forgiveness, non-judgemental, etc.

 

All I see is more and more hate... What so many bronies have complained about so much against them...

 

I guess again it is human nature to hate, humiliate, and thing of yourself better than another to make yourself better than another.

 

I brought this subject up because I could not conceive why more than just a few individuals would hate a sister group/fandom (that one I will say furry and bronies are) to the point of banning an expression of said fandom at a convention when the other accepts and loves it. I have realized it now. It isnt just a few individuals. It is a large section of the Brony fandom. This is why I know so many that have watched, loved the show, and even have a couple MLP toys, but would never title themselves as Brony. It is this self centered, BS, I am better than you mentality that has gotten WAY out of hand....

 

Gongratulations for reading that long post. Here is your cookie!

[1111 1,284]

I think what this thread turned into was'nt a hate thread and its not about who's better then who, but classifying things because as humans we like to understand things and ideology's on how to do so  do collide and in a way who can say who is right or wrong its just a idea.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,984]

Just as a brony is only a brony if they consider themselves to be, the same applies for a furry.

I think it would depend on the actual definition of both terms. Isn't the definition of Brony a fan of MLP:FIM? Going by that, saying that you're a fan of MLP but are not a Brony is invalid. But you could say that you're specifically a... casual brony(?) if all you do is watch the show but are not at all involved in the fandom.

 

If Bronies are indeed sub-group of Furries, I suppose I could specifically say that I'm a Furry specifically interested in MLP:FIM, not at all involved in the Furry fandom but am involved in the Brony fandom.

 

You can't say, for example, you're Russian but not East-Slavic or you're German but not Germanic. Or if you're Italian-born but was raised in France and identify yourself with French, it doesn't change the fact that you're Italian.

 

But again I guess it depends on what the actual definition of Furries and Bronies are, if there actually is a definite definition.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Krovavaya Luna

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

I think it would depend on the actual definition of both terms. Isn't the definition of Brony a fan of MLP:FIM? Going by that, saying that you're a fan of MLP but are not a Brony is invalid. But you could say that you're specifically a... casual brony(?) if all you do is watch the show but are not at all involved in the fandom.

The term Brony has become, at least to some, as much an identifier with the fandom as it is a descriptor of a fan of FiM, and I know there are fans of the show that do not consider themselves Bronies because they don't want to be part of the fandom.

[Coco before Pommel 678]

I feel like what some people might be forgetting here is that brony/furry, or any fandom name really, are things people choose to identify as/call themselves, or not. I don't think someone who likes MLP is automatically a brony - they might not like the term or want to be associated with the fandom, and that's perfectly fine. Same with furries, someone who likes anything based around anthropomorphic animals might not consider themselves a furry either - it's entirely up to the individual, not something someone IS as part of their DNA or whatever o.o Also, people have a wide variety of reasons for liking things, it feels a little reductive to say: "bronies like MLP because of the personalities, not that they're animals, while furries like things mainly because they're animals" - those things may be true for some bronies and furries, but far from all, and sometimes it almost has an undertone of "bronies appreciate the CHARACTERS not like those gross furries who just like anything anthropomorphic animal-related". :/ (not saying this is what most people mean, it just sometimes feels that way when certain anti-furry/pro-brony people say it).

 

So basically I don't think we need to get too hung up on the exact definitions of "brony" and "furry": someone can be one or both or neither, but it is entirely up to them whether/how they participate in fandoms and call themselves. I don't expect that will stop the fighting but it's worth keeping in mind, maybe?

[Dark Qiviut 22,396]

@@Coco before Pommel, No matter how much some try to steer clear, when they're a fan of something, they're automatically part of the fandom. They can claim they're not, but they are.

 

If someone is a fan of the anthropomorphic character concept, then he or she is a furry.

 

If someone is a fan of FIM, then he or she is a brony.

 

If someone is a fan of both, then he or she is a furry and a brony.

 

A fandom is nothing but a group of fans of something. You don't need to be so invested in the fandom to be in it. If anyone tries to act stupid by vainly "segregating" themselves and acting so high and mighty by claiming "I'm not THOSE fans," then they're no worse than the fans who bash the "dark side."

Edited January 20, 2015 by Old King Q

[pakicetus 312]

 

 

If they're fans of FIM, then like it or not, they're bronies.

 

 

To say that would be as accurate as saying that supporting gender equality automatically makes one a feminist. Definitions do not account for behavioral patterns in de-facto reality.

 

While some "anti-bronies" may be bronies in a technical sense, they are antagonistic towards virtually all bronies, tend to have differing behaviors, and generally stick to their own.

[Stolf 12]

Why has this become a discussion about titles....

 

Thanks for your help everyone, but this is something I am no longer getting help with. This has just become some bastardized fingerpointing thread about what you are called and what you should be. WHO GIVES A FUCK! I was trying to figure out why there was this segregation, and if it is solely title based because of prejudices... then I have my answer.

 

Stolf out.

[pakicetus 312]

 

 

and if it is solely title based because of prejudices... then I have my answer.

 

It isn't so necessarily. Most people are simply not interested in the other.

[Suitaloo 743]

Probably because being that Bronies are relatively new (compared to Furries) and Furries have always gotten negative press (so much so, in fact, that the press are regularly barred from going to any Furry cons), so Bronies want to distinguish themselves from Furries to not be cast in a negative light. IMO, it's not like it really matters, because who cares what other people think of you? Seriously, as long as you're fine with who you are, then you'll be fine.

[pakicetus 312]

 

 

because who cares what other people think of you?

 

People who live in an environment populated with other people. Or people who's well-being depends on other people.

 

So, nearly everyone.

[Suitaloo 743]

People who live in an environment populated with other people. Or people who's well-being depends on other people.

 

So, nearly everyone.

 

If you are really that reliant on other people's opinions of you that your life depends on it, then you may as well become a hermit because not everyone is going to agree with you on everything you have an opinion on. And just because you're in an environment with other people doesn't mean that you have to let their opinions get to you. So what if someone thinks what you like is "wrong" or "immoral". Morality is not black and white, and has different meanings to different people.