Does anyone think love and tolerate is a huge generalization?

[RainbowdashFTW 50]

Just wondering, because i always thought it was such a huge generalization that bronies always had to love and tolerate EVERYTHING.

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

More of an understanding, it does not mean you have to love and tolerate everything. Besides, it is just what became popular as a response to people who were hating on the show. So it's not like a rule or generalization, more like a code that some follow. Like if you saw a show that you thought was strange you could tolerate it instead of hating it or possibly love it. It is nothing more then a popular response to people who were hating on the show even without having watched it.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Fluttershyfan94

[Nulln 755]

i don't love or tolerate a lot of things.  i didn't know it was a brony requirement.  haha

i live in the real world, not sesame street.

[Clarity 3,094]

It's a stupid phrase. Most bronies I know do the exact opposite, with a tiny, about-the-size-of-a-grain-of-sand minority who truly follow the code, or motto, or whatever it's called. Bronies don't have to love and tolerate everything; that's impossible for even the kindest and most open-minded person. It's never a requirement and it was never the show's motto. It came from 4chan, a place where love and toleration is about as plentiful as a box of nothing. 

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

"Love and tolerance" is not - nor will it ever be - a policy that I adopt and practice indiscriminately.

 

Love, like respect, is earned.  Something that must be deserved and developed.  Not handed out blindly and freely.  This doesn't mean that I choose hate; nor does it mean I'm going to attack everyone with a different opinion or different tastes.  But it also doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore hatred or small-mindedness when I see it.

 

As for tolerance?  Meh.  Tolerance is no prize.  "I...  Tolerate you."  How does that sound?  "I put up with your existence.  No, I don't approve of or accept you.  Yes, I'm silently judging you right now."  If you don't tolerate me...  I don't want to hear about it.  But even if you DO tolerate me...  I still don't want to hear about it.  Neither one of those things gives me the warm fuzzies. xD

 

I think the only time practicing love and - blah - tolerance is "required," is when someone already preaches them.  Practice what you preach, in that case.  Otherwise, you're just practicing hypocrisy.

[chirox the pony 1,336]

I'll tolerate anti bronies who call us gay, however though I would not tolerate an anti brony who say hacked this forum, if I saw said anti brony in public I would give him shit and explain what a pathetic existence he leads. So yeah I agree the term is too generalized.

[Captain Brony (MG11) 218]

It's not as much a generalization, more so a mantra/guideline.

The show often shares this in the bulk of it's morals and it is only fitting to encourage following such an optimistic and harmonious lifestyle.

 

It's a lot like religion in fact. "Love and Tolerance" has been a big time factor in Christianity as seen in exerpts like Matthew 5:44.

Though Christians are often criticized for not following this lesson specifically it is still one of the shining examples and moral lessons shared within the the group.

 

Both Bronies and Christians are known for using it as a means of spreading peaceful messages while also doubling as a defense against those who hate or do not share their beliefs.

[Spagem 505]

 

 

It came from 4chan, a place where love and toleration is about as plentiful as a box of nothing.

Yeah, this right here.

 

The "love and tolerate" phrase originated, and was used from bronies on 4chan in order to troll people, not to actually love and tolerate them. Why some bronies take this phrase seriously is beyond me.

[Gernia 691]

While I do think "love and tolerate" are good things, I do not blurt it out or seriously follow it. There are some things that I just will not accept and will disregard instead. I think it's a generalization that people expect us to do it because some vocal portions say it.

 

The "love and tolerate" phrase originated, and was used from bronies on 4chan in order to troll people, not to actually love and tolerate them. Why some bronies take this phrase seriously is beyond me.

 

 

What I am more annoyed by is when a story comes up where say, a male acts rude to a female fan, someone will bring up the "love and tolerance" thing as if so many of us actually believe this and follow it. Idk I just don't like it that they automatically assume we seriously follow that. There are plenty of good people in this fandom, but that's because we're good people, not because we use some silly mantra.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

Yeah, this right here.

 

The "love and tolerate" phrase originated, and was used from bronies on 4chan in order to troll people, not to actually love and tolerate them. Why some bronies take this phrase seriously is beyond me.

 

I don't know what you guys do, but I try to love and tolerate everyone. It can be hard sometimes, but what do you lose by doing it. I like to do things that I would like to other people to do to me. I don't get mad if they don't do that way but at the end I'm only in charge of my own life I can only hope that people will be nice to me. So I try to be nice to them and give good example

 

That is my reason why I support love and tolerate and I think more people should support that I mean loving and tolerating isn't bad thing or anything like that.

Edited September 16, 2014 by ooBrony

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Well to start out with the phrase "love and tolerate" came from a popular image macro consisting of Twilight Sparkle, with a caption "I'm going to love and tolerate the shit outa you". This was used not as a slogan for the fanbase as a whole, but rather a way to troll those who were trying to derail/troll the official pony threads when they were on /co/. So the phrase was never meant to be a catch all for the activity of the fandom, but rather a counter troll.

[rainbowsmash13 53]

It is actually easy to Tolerate if I Tolerate someone it doesn't mean I have to like them it doesn't mean I have to respect them it is actually the bare minimum you can give to something.

 

of course some action should not be tolerated and that is why we have a justice system I don't see the problem with tolerating all most any one

For example would it be intolerant for a priest to say my church will not allow gay marriage. If there is a church just down the street that allows it and he allows any gay couple to go to that church instead

 

Would it be intolerant for him to get people to protest peacefully outside the second church.

 

Would it be intolerant to set the church on fire

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

yeah, a bit of an overgenerlization.....theres more to us than that....

[Jeric 46,852]

Origins tend to matter less than present application. Such is the nature of language and communication. The majority of fans came after the 4chan crack down and /mlp/ desperation so that meme did take on a different meaning.

 

Saying that people who adopt L&T as a Brony credo are wrong because of the true origin comes across as a bit condescending. I likewise would not call someone sexist who used the term 'rule of thumb'.

 

Love and tolerate is pretty easy to do. Though I like to modify tolerate to mean understand or accept. Is it a generalization? Of course it is. If you want specificity you need a 20 page mission statement.

[Hashi 323]

 It is an overused phrase, but it is a relevant one

Its nice to be nice to people, regardless of where they have come from or what they do, just to like them as a person. I would happily be a friend to anybody as long as they share the kindness.

 

Tolerate as well. You may utterly despise all haters. So? Most are eejits who dont actually know what they are talking about xD and others are just bored and trolling . Angry comment threads I just put something happy if anything at all

 

I love nice people

I tolerate the ones who are not

 

Hey ho, this life is too short for grudges and hating people. Just be happy and as I put up there, its nice to be nice xD

[lelouch. 625]

The way i see it, the phrase has nothing to do with bronies, but all humans in general. Think of how the world would be if we all at least tried to embrace the love and tolerate policy.

 

Loving and tolerating eventually makes the bad guy realise that what he's doing is wrong. Yes, it takes sacrifice, but in the end its usually all worth it. To convert someone from a dickhead to a good person.

Edited September 17, 2014 by hamza

[~SadisticFluttershy~ 779]

So, you're saying I should just ignore the dumbass drivers on the road or bullies in school? Sorry but, fuck that love and tolerate nonsense.

I can't stand NIETHER OF THEM.

 

I do support the phrase, don't get me wrong. The only time we should love and tolerate when it's the appropriate tiime or circumstance.

 

Nothing more.

Edited September 17, 2014 by ~SadisticFluttershy~

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

I don't think it matters much - not like we do it, in any case.

 

But really, fans of MLP shouldn't be obliged to do so. It was supposedly a counter-troll and unconditional respect of everything you come into contact with isn't something that should be practiced because you'd get stepped all over. Unless you're Gandhi, but even then, all he does is nuke the piss out of me

Err...but yeahh. It isn't - and shouldn't - be an obligation for anyone, really. Huge generalization, I agree.

[Setokaiva 7]

'Love and Tolerate' isn't something that should be taken completely literally, because, as some people have stated above, it is a generalization—but it's a generalization meant to provide a unifying metaphor for bronies throughout the fandom. Because MLP: FiM's whole message is pretty much built around the virtues of compassion, honesty, generosity, etc., bronies like to take the 'Love and Tolerate' motto as a guideline or a mantra, just as was mentioned previously in this post. Of course it doesn't imply that some bad feelings are not deserved, or that we should apply it literally to every person and every situation—it simply means that, regardless of the circumstances in any given instance, we should keep an open mind and not close off our hearts to someone completely.

 

Like I said, it gives a unifying metaphor for bronies who take such a maxim to heart, inspiring them to act as an example to others. Whatever comes after that is left up to the conclusions and interpretations of the individuals involved, but I would hope that the result is overall positive. I can say with certainty that I approve of the motto and the underlying message behind it. Even if 'Love and Tolerate' did start as a derogatory term or 'counter-troll', it's now being used as a metaphor, which is the important thing, right now. Speaking of being used, yes, 'Love and Tolerate' is very much a generalization. But that's not really a bad thing, in my opinion; sometimes we just love to use broad-sweeping terms like that when it's not so easy to tolerate something too specific which would dampen the message. (See what I did there? ^^)

Edited September 17, 2014 by Setokaiva

[CP3_P0n3 170]

Too much generalization it confuses non-bronies. I don't think anyone is airhead enough to follow this phrase strictly. Just like the other comments, it's just for a defensive measure against criticism.

[Admiral Regulus 2,769]

Love and tolerate is pretty easy to do. [...] Is it a generalization? Of course it is. If you want specificity you need a 20 page mission statement.

 

So much this.

 

It's love and tolerate. Nothing about that statement directly indicates love and tolerate everything at all times. There is a huge difference by adding that last bit, and that's why it's left out. It's a generalization, not an absolute. The only absolutes in the universe are the laws of mathematics, and even then... we're not always sure about those.

 

So really, it's just a general guideline to follow. It's a heuristic. It's no different from try your best, hope for the best but prepare for the worst, or two wrongs don't make a right.

[Kothen 279]

I hate to admit it but I dont just love and tolerate anything just because I'm a brony. I will tolerate things but to a certain extent. You show me respect I'll show your respect. Dont expect to be a total jerk to me and not have me respond in a negative way.

[rainbowsmash13 53]

I never had any trouble tolerating anyone. It is a simple and good guide line. I am forced to tolerate the options of people online because it is impossible for me to censor them they have to tolerate what I think,

tolerance is basic

Edited September 17, 2014 by rainbowsmash13

[ukxRainbowdash 165]

Despite the sayings origin from 4chan, I agree with it. Though not EVERYTHING but we should love and tolerate everything that will love and tolerate back.

[Simeon Leonard 119]

The way I see it, "love and tolerate" is a two-word summary of how to put the show's overall message into practice. If watching the show inspires you to strive for those ideals, then you fit my definition of a brony, regardless of how successful you are at attaining them. Most of us will fail at this most of the time, but the point is to make an effort. I realize that "brony" is a label that means different things to different people and not everyone considers adopting the community's de facto mantra a requisite of membership, but to be a true brony in my mind, it is. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of the show or participating in the community if you don't believe in their ideals, but I think you should at least respect them. I disagree with people who say they're unrealistic. Difficult to practice, yes, but not impossible. And I couldn't disagree more with people who say love or tolerance need to be earned. I think they can be lost, but the first step to getting either is often to show it yourself.