Expressing Love and Tolerance. A Failed Goal?

[Leonard Smix 421]

I recently had a conversation, a pretty long one, with an Anti-Brony. In order to end the argument, I made one big message consisting of many of his arguments. This is one thing I mentioned.

 

 

-One thing that the Anti-Bronies don't understand is that it is not our job to express love and tolerance, it is something we choose to do. We express it when we feel necessary, not around every corner, we are bronies on the outside, but we are always human at heart, you cant control human nature.

 

Do you agree?

[Literally Snails 2,307]

Love and tolerance doesn't mean we're above human nature. It means we think twice before we act like assholes and don't hate people who are different. Don't over think it.

[hip-indeed 304]

Love and tolerance isn't even really something that pony fans have ever agreed upon or anything from the show or anything, it's just a thing that SOME of them started going on about in the early days and it kinda stuck.  Of course like 90% of bronies don't actually practice it, even those that preach it, but it's a wonderful thing to say and even ATTEMPT to go by.  It's something every human being should attempt to strive towards, or even just the "love" part, but it's one of the most difficult things to actually practice, even if it gives peace and happiness and all that good stuff to anyone who does so.

[Milky Jade 138]

Love is kind of a personal thing, and I don't consider tolerance to be a virtue at all.

 

It is necessarily a failed goal. A challenger spaceshuttle.

 

>you can't control human nature

That feels a bit out of line with your argumentation

[Genepool 224]

I recently had a conversation, a pretty long one, with an Anti-Brony. In order to end the argument, I made one big message consisting of many of his arguments. This is one thing I mentioned.

 

 

-One thing that the Anti-Bronies don't understand is that it is not our job to express love and tolerance, it is something we choose to do. We express it when we feel necessary, not around every corner, we are bronies on the outside, but we are always human at heart, you cant control human nature.

 

Do you agree?

 

Yup.  I believe in the love and tolerance message because the world needs more of what represents the elements of Harmony vs our current state of cruel, deplorable acts of cruelty, greed, and dishonest behavior.

 

Now, though I have said that and some will call me a hypocrit, I reserve the right, as a human/individual, to direct that love and tolerance to those I believe need it.  I'm not going to feel sympathy towards some psychotic murderer or some nut job who runs around hurting people. 

[Clarity 3,094]

Certainly doesn't put bronies above normal people, no.

 

Expressing love and tolerance is something every person "chooses" to do and is definitely not limited to bronies, who barely follow the phrase themselves anyway.

[Invincible 2,092]

I never said i'm some paragon of Love and Tolerance by being a brony. That's selfish and arrogant. Before i was a brony, i was who i was. It doesn't necessarily change you - i know some of you will disagree but it's true. It's simply stupid to assume i'll go on a crusade to spread love and tolerance like some sort of a holy mission. No. I don't spread love and tolerance, and i'm sure many others don't, either. So what? Does that automatically fail me as a brony? Does it mean i lose some invisible score, that i have to give out a list of excuses? Love and tolerance isn't a commodity. I'm a firm believer that love and tolerance is of a higher faculty; you should give it out because you want to, not because you have to. No amount of cartoon horse goodness should affect that. 

 

That was never an argument to begin with. It's a moot point a bunch of narrow minded anti-bronies decide to bring up whenever because they heard once of the famous brony slogan. It shouldn't even be brought up as a valid venue for debate, at any rate.

[Leonard Smix 421]

Oops, didn't mean for this to become an sort if debate..

[Invincible 2,092]

Oops, didn't mean for this to become an sort if debate..

If you meant that in regard to what i said earlier, it didn't. I just meant it's not something that should be argued between a brony and an anti-brony. Might have let loose a bit more fervor than i intended though.

[DubWolf 17,476]

Yeah people took the "love and tolerance" thing to extremes to the point that I didn't like it anymore. I cannot tolerate intolerance.

[lelouch. 625]

Who even started this love and tolerate thing? The anti bronies use this against us all the time. Just because i like a show doesnt mean i have to start loving and tolerating. A guy does that because he wants to, not because he's meant to.

[Celli 4,339]

It was never a goal to begin with. Bronies just started it as an ironic motto.

[Milky Jade 138]

I'm not even sure it was ironic. Going by the logic of "Cui bono?", it certainly increased the number of followers and by virtue of an imposed motto proliferated some kind of positive prospect for everybody. Even if that motto I could prove to be bunk, there's no functional difference. It was used routinely because it seemed to work. To what end, I can't say.

[Yellow Diamond 7,575]

This thread appears to be related to the My Little Pony franchise and/or the Bronydom in general. Thus, it has been sentenced to Sugarcube Corner.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

I was under the impression "Love and Tolerate" was born from satire and was more of a troll mantra on 4chan during that whole feud on the site; waaay back when bronies were first becoming a thing.

[Unr3alGamer 230]

-One thing that the Anti-Bronies don't understand is that it is not our job to express love and tolerance, it is something we choose to do. We express it when we feel necessary, not around every corner, we are bronies on the outside, but we are always human at heart, you cant control human nature.   Do you agree?

 

While I agree with your statement (somewhat) I would've first asked him "Why do you believe the message of love and tolerance is our "job" as bronies?" and then make a statement based off of that.

 

Edit: Only use my example if he did indeed state that it's the bronies' jobs to love and tolerate, otherwise it's a generalization of anti-bronies. 

Edited October 9, 2014 by Unr3alGamer

[Commissar Alexer 763]

There is no such thing as love and tolerance, only contempt and hatred.

[Jeric 46,866]

I was under the impression "Love and Tolerate" was born from satire and was more of a troll mantra on 4chan during that whole feud on the site; waaay back when bronies were first becoming a thing.

It started out that way, but there are those in the fandom took it to heart and actually live by it. Some I bet didn't realize the origin. Irrespective of the origin, it's genuine promotion is admirable.

 

Also, it can be genuine. My Pants and Nerfighteria have proven that to me time and again.

[Vox 870]

I think the whole "love and tolerate" idea is a bit overblown. No, of course it isn't our obligation to express that, and it doesn't put us on a pedestal on a morality basis. It's a choice, after all, and assuming you watch this show about friendship and such, it should be expected that you may have some form of respect and tolerance to others.

[gonna 11]

sounds like a good thing to say

[Buck Testa 5,505]

 

 

t started out that way, but there are those in the fandom took it to heart and actually live by it. Some I bet didn't realize the origin. Irrespective of the origin, it's genuine promotion is admirable.

 

Oh I have zero problem actually following the concepts of love and tolerance of course, and you can make it your goal, but what I am saying is that "love and Tolerate" as a goal of bronies is not really accurate considering its origin. It may be some bronies personal goal sure, but as far as a fandom wide belief I do not think that could be seen as the case.

 

I could be wrong of course and feel free to correct me if I am.  

[Jeric 46,866]

What I'm saying is some Bronies Yankee Doodle Dandied it. Ask vs Aks would also be an appropriate analog as no one gets annoyed when you ask a question, even though Aks is purer in origin. Basically, etymology is great and all, but it can be stripped of it's power by changing the colloquial use.

[Dewdlz 938]

I recently had a conversation, a pretty long one, with an Anti-Brony. In order to end the argument, I made one big message consisting of many of his arguments. This is one thing I mentioned.

 

 

-One thing that the Anti-Bronies don't understand is that it is not our job to express love and tolerance, it is something we choose to do. We express it when we feel necessary, not around every corner, we are bronies on the outside, but we are always human at heart, you cant control human nature.

 

Do you agree?

I agree whole-heartedly. I never did quite understand what drives people to combat someone's interest. Perhaps because I've been a victim so long that I just try so hard not to be "that guy". I do love and tolerate, but there is a limit how much I can handle, there's a part of me wanting a person to change their views, so I persist rather than just ignore them. But not in a rude way, I explain the positive benefits rather than abuse and harm someone based on who they are. The world would be so much more beautiful if life were more understanding, but there would be nothing learned and things would stagnate (boring, plain).

[Nulln 755]

Where did the love and tolerance being a brony goal come from?  I don't think that's even enforced in the show.  I sure don't abide by those rules.  I love who I love, and I tolerate who I feel isn't bad enough to not tolerate.

[RainbowGlass 224]

I say, you stated it correctly friend. No matter what, there will be those against something be it popular or not. From my observations, people who are against something such as Bronies, same sex marriage or gender equality to name a few; are usually scarred and confused by it and do not understand it. When you take the time to look at something in depth from an unbiased perspective, you are allowed to see it for what it is and truly understand it. When I first looked into the Brony world, I thought it was very curious, absolutely, because I had never heard of it before. However, I looked into it because I wanted to know exactly why this television show was so dearly loved by all ages of both genders. Now, I am a Brony and happy to be a part of such a lovely community. 

Understanding why people act aggressively towards positive lifestyles or things like the Brony fandom, is the key to trying to help those individuals. Of course not everyone would allow someone to change a lifelong viewpoint of theirs. I often debate with folks why gay marriage should be legal everywhere, honestly no one really cares why couples want same sex marriage, they only care about what the Bible says. I try to explain it to them, should they care not to listen, I let them be on their merry way, why? I am happy with my life decisions, they chose to embrace anger and confusion and I could care less what they think of gay marriage because people are going to love people no matter what you do or say. 

Now with something like being a Brony, which isn't a legal matter, (ha) thankfully, if anyone receives negative feedback because they like something, they like drawing MLP or buying pony merch,ect.  no one should care but you. Remember, you've got an entire Brony community to back you up and you ought to pursue the things in this life that make you happy.