What will you do if the ponies stands against Celestia?

[Rainboom Dash 1,056]

I'd honestly just wait out and see what happens. Would be incredibly difficult to choose a side here.

[RenaTheRagDoll 47]

Well the great and poweful Trixie must have a reason but thinking good about it there is no good reason lol just try to calm her down

EDIT: Oh, i tought it said "Your favorite pony stands against Celestia"

still im trying to calm things

Edited November 12, 2014 by RenaTheRagDoll

[Doxus 14]

Being under the rule of Princess Eclipse, I stand for the balance of things so if Celestia were to upset said balance and the only way to fix it is for her subjects to dethrone her than so be it.

[Lord Bradley 1,319]

There's probably nothing in my power that I can do.

 

Anyway, whichever way it is, I'm with Twilight. Don't care what side she's on. Doesn't really matter to me.

[epzik8 92]

Freak out, because I think Princess Celestia will always be one of the protagonists.

[Justin_Case001 4,883]

I guess the same thing I'd do without freedom?

[Snow Frostflame 3,568]

have my 44 magnum and fight them off with anyone else loyal to Celestia

Edited November 14, 2014 by Mike Schmidt

[Windseeker 546]

A better question is, what could I do?

[Denim&Venöm 18,786]

Revel against the slave holders, duh. Though it probably wont do much good since the power of 4 Alicorns = the power of every pony in Equestria + Discord. We'd be totally screwed. 

 

Hope they like being Equestria's sole inhabitants by the time this insurrection is over. 

[PROJECT: Simon 3,954]

Revel against the slave holders, duh. Though it probably wont do much good since the power of 4 Alicorns = the power of every pony in Equestria + Discord. We'd be totally screwed. 

 

Hope they like being Equestria's sole inhabitants by the time this insurrection is over. 

Equestria Revolution :3

[MintChocolate113 17]

I would stand with the ponies, I believe. It's the most logical stance to take, at least for me. You would have to stand for the people, er, ponies. The oppressed masses, you know?

 

We wouldn't OVERTHROW them, just...make our displeasure known.

[Roughshod 719]

I'd look at this as if I was a pony in Equestria. According to their history ponies managed to survive before the Princesses, so it stands to reason that they could survive after them. Who grows their food? Who manages their weather? And was it not the unicorns who first brought on the day and night? There is no question about it; I would support my fellow Equestrians.

 

On a side note, Equestria seems to have many enemies and an event such as this could open up some bad possibilities. Like Equestria being torn apart from outside and within.

[Fractured 2,684]

It's already out of the kindness of the alicorns hearts that they haven't claimed themselves gods or tyrants. Should they wish to rule as either, there's not really a thing normal ponies could do about it. The revolution, should one occur, would start and end in a day, with a miserable loss.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

stand with them. I don't care for Celestia, or her rule.

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Down with the tyrants! Viva la revolucion!

[Roughshod 719]

It's already out of the kindness of the alicorns hearts that they haven't claimed themselves gods or tyrants. Should they wish to rule as either, there's not really a thing normal ponies could do about it. The revolution, should one occur, would start and end in a day, with a miserable loss.

One thing that has to be kept in mind is that the this is a conflict between a small group of elites and an entire nation. The sheer number difference is such a factor that it could make magical power insignificant in comparison.

 

Much would depend on the manner of the revolution and the tactics used. A direct physical confrontation may not be ideal, but overwhelming passive resistance could have a huge impact. What would the princesses do if the earth ponies refused to give them food or if the pegasi didn't manage the weather of Canterlot and the Crystal Empire? What I'd the royal guards simply went on strike or even directly rebelled? I've said this before but it has been mentioned in the series that unicorns once controlled the sun and moon so Celestia and Luna are not absolutely needed. The Crystal Empire could always find a new type of government. I'm not sure what could be done about Twilight Sparkle and the remane 5; whether they could be replaced or if Equestrian society would have to go without them. It really depends on what side the remane 5 would be on.

 

Because of the hierarchy of Equestria the regular ponies actually have an advantage in that they're needed more by the princesses than the princesses are needed by them.

[Fractured 2,684]

One thing that has to be kept in mind is that the this is a conflict between a small group of elites and an entire nation. The sheer number difference is such a factor that it could make magical power insignificant in comparison.

 

Much would depend on the manner of the revolution and the tactics used. A direct physical confrontation may not be ideal, but overwhelming passive resistance could have a huge impact. What would the princesses do if the earth ponies refused to give them food or if the pegasi didn't manage the weather of Canterlot and the Crystal Empire? What I'd the royal guards simply went on strike or even directly rebelled? I've said this before but it has been mentioned in the series that unicorns once controlled the sun and moon so Celestia and Luna are not absolutely needed. The Crystal Empire could always find a new type of government. I'm not sure what could be done about Twilight Sparkle and the remane 5; whether they could be replaced or if Equestrian society would have to go without them. It really depends on what side the remane 5 would be on.

 

Because of the hierarchy of Equestria the regular ponies actually have an advantage in that they're needed more by the princesses than the princesses are needed by them.

Well, Luna being stuck on the moon has gone to show that Alicorns don't need food, water, or air to live, so that's not really much of a threat. Maintaining a steady climate wouldn't be too difficult, either; one unicorn(Rarity) can manage weather for miles in any direction, and Luna altered the weather patterns in Ponyville in Luna Eclipsed by being pissed off. 

 

Controlling the sun and moon is possible, but the unicorns who do so happen to lose their magic permanently after a while(Journal of the Alicorn Sisters). What's more, they always had Starswirl their to help them do that. Even if the ponies would be capable of doing something they haven't done in thousands of years, without Starswirl, within a relatively short time frame, it's only a temporary solution.

 

So no, passive resistance isn't much better, it's just less suicidal when you're dealing with 4 alicorns.

[Roughshod 719]

Well, Luna being stuck on the moon has gone to show that Alicorns don't need food, water, or air to live, so that's not really much of a threat. Maintaining a steady climate wouldn't be too difficult, either; one unicorn(Rarity) can manage weather for miles in any direction, and Luna altered the weather patterns in Ponyville in Luna Eclipsed by being pissed off.

 

Controlling the sun and moon is possible, but the unicorns who do so happen to lose their magic permanently after a while(Journal of the Alicorn Sisters). What's more, they always had Starswirl their to help them do that. Even if the ponies would be capable of doing something they haven't done in thousands of years, without Starswirl, within a relatively short time frame, it's only a temporary solution.

 

So no, passive resistance isn't much better, it's just less suicidal when you're dealing with 4 alicorns.

Luna was not technically stuck on the moon, it was Nightmare Moon who was imprisoned inside the moon. The details on her state during this have not been expounded on much, it's possible to speculate that she was in a dormant state at this time, that her dark magic enabled to survive the conditions or that Celestia somehow had a part to play in this. Even if Alicorns can live without basic necessities, which I do not agree with, it doesn't mean they are invulnerable to ailments that affect other ponies or that they absolutely do not need others to survive. And Rarity is not a good case for your argument considering the pitiful job she did controlling the weather. I don't have much to say on the reference to Luna at the end, that seemed more like dramatic effect than canon material and you might be reading too deeply into that.

 

Regarding the Sun and Moon... I need more than just a vague mention of a book to convince of such a claim as that. Show me some proof or have somebody else corroborate this. This canon(if it is that) seems very illogical to me, that the only reason the unicorns could manipulate celestial objects is with Star Swirl's help. Just how long was this unicorn alive?

 

Let me ask you this, if an alicorn suffered physical trauma or was poisoned or had their magic nullified why wouldn't they be vulnerable like a regular pony? They are beings that can be harmed and have been shown to conflict with one another just as regular ponies do. They're not as special as you might like to think. Tirek was able to match their power after absorbing the magic of many, but arguably not all the ponies of Equestria(plus Discord). If only there was a standard of measurement for magical capacity of ponies...

 

In conclusion I might add that passive resistance could be coupled with a more aggressive natured strategy. It seems you haven't convinced me that the ponies of Equestria would not be able to overthrow the alicorn princesses. If anything you've given me more reason why they should. Beings with such power must be controlled or be removed before they become a threat to everyone and everything around them.

 

I don't condone slavery, regardless of the circumstances, and even if it may seem suicidal I would fight for my freedom because it's worth fighting for. Much more so than a group of privileged mares who abuse their power.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Roughshod

[Virgil 685]

Well, I would laugh maniacally while the rebel scum is crushed like this

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[SparklingSquirrels 21,341]

If this happened in the show? Umm... I wouldn't do anything, I guess; it's just a show.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,161]

It all depends on the situation & all; I suppose. If you stand with the slave ponies, what comes after that? Infighting? Tribal warfare?

 

It's never a simple question; and the answers are always more complicated.

[Fractured 2,684]

Luna was not technically stuck on the moon, it was Nightmare Moon who was imprisoned inside the moon. The details on her state during this have not been expounded on much, it's possible to speculate that she was in a dormant state at this time, that her dark magic enabled to survive the conditions or that Celestia somehow had a part to play in this. Even if Alicorns can live without basic necessities, which I do not agree with, it doesn't mean they are invulnerable to ailments that affect other ponies or that they absolutely do not need others to survive. And Rarity is not a good case for your argument considering the pitiful job she did controlling the weather. I don't have much to say on the reference to Luna at the end, that seemed more like dramatic effect than canon material and you might be reading too deeply into that.

 

Regarding the Sun and Moon... I need more than just a vague mention of a book to convince of such a claim as that. Show me some proof or have somebody else corroborate this. This canon(if it is that) seems very illogical to me, that the only reason the unicorns could manipulate celestial objects is with Star Swirl's help. Just how long was this unicorn alive?

 

Let me ask you this, if an alicorn suffered physical trauma or was poisoned or had their magic nullified why wouldn't they be vulnerable like a regular pony? They are beings that can be harmed and have been shown to conflict with one another just as regular ponies do. They're not as special as you might like to think. Tirek was able to match their power after absorbing the magic of many, but arguably not all the ponies of Equestria(plus Discord). If only there was a standard of measurement for magical capacity of ponies...

 

In conclusion I might add that passive resistance could be coupled with a more aggressive natured strategy. It seems you haven't convinced me that the ponies of Equestria would not be able to overthrow the alicorn princesses. If anything you've given me more reason why they should. Beings with such power must be controlled or be removed before they become a threat to everyone and everything around them.

 

I don't condone slavery, regardless of the circumstances, and even if it may seem suicidal I would fight for my freedom because it's worth fighting for. Much more so than a group of privileged mares who abuse their power.

She had enough time to get to know the nightmare forces who live there.

 

 

 

For the book, the passage in question is:

 

 

 

We already know that pegasi and unicorns can control the weather. If you want to claim that a combination of the two can only do so due to dramatic dramatic effect, prove it. For the Tirek thing, even if you want to assume its quantifiable, they're still individual, mostly vastly untrained ponies at the end of the day. They stand no chance fighting an alicorn, even in the dozens.

[simply creative 696]

It's all about the group

 

Majority wins which means I'm going with the ponies.

[Roughshod 719]

 

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For the book, the passage in question is:

 

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While I appreciate the effort made to provide those items, I could still make the argument that they're not directly sourced from the show and thus not true and proper canon. Not an airtight argument, but I could still make it with reasonable justification.

 

Besides, why would it have to be unicorns or alicorns controlling the sun and moon?But let's say that the alicorn sisters really are the only ideal source of magic for controlling the sun and moon. It's been shown that this magic can be transferred as well as taken by force.

 

My point is that I don't accept the 'proof' you've provided as irrefutable in asserting the necessity of the alicorns in this matter. In fact I will not likely not concede to any of your arguments so I don't know why you're so adamant. Maybe you're just bored like me.

 

We already know that pegasi and unicorns can control the weather. If you want to claim that a combination of the two can only do so due to dramatic dramatic effect, prove it.

That's not what I said. I said that Luna's seeming capacity to change the weather because of her mood was more for dramatic effect rather than a concrete example of her ability to control the weather.

 

And even if was making that claim how could I go about proving it? Persuade the MLP production team to just make that concept a part of canon? That's just an impossible demand you're using to further your point.

 

They stand no chance fighting an alicorn, even in the dozens.

Prove it. Oh wait... you can't.

 

But seriously, "dozens"? I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds if not thousands.

 

Try to picture an enormous militia and paramilitary force storming Canterlot and the Crystal Empire. Masses of earth ponies smashing the castles, swarms of pegasi bombarding from above and legions of unicorns blasting at the alicorns.

 

We've already seen in A Canterlot Wedding that the princesses military skill leads a lot to be desired when it comes to handling an invasion. Sure you could say that the situation with the Changelings would be different from ponies but it's also been demonstrated that regular ponies can square off against them in a fight. And Chrysalis? Well she wasn't exactly invincible herself either. She was only defeated by the combined magic of Cadance and Shining Armor, and his position in this scenario was not clarified though I'm sure which side most people think he would take. In any case he's no alicorn.

 

Ultimately, any leader who would oppose the will of their people in such a way isn't deserving of their position. The moment Celestia and the other alicorns attempt to persecute and enslave the citizens of Equestria is the moment they lose their legitimacy. That's a democratic perspective though. Maybe you have more absolutist sympathies than I do. Or you're just far more loyal than I am. Whatevs.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Roughshod

[PROJECT: Simon 3,954]

While I appreciate the effort made to provide those items, I could still make the argument that they're not directly sourced from the show and thus not true and proper canon. Not an airtight argument, but I could still make it with reasonable justification.

 

Besides, why would it have to be unicorns or alicorns controlling the sun and moon? It is conceivable that another source of magic could be used. This is also theoretical though and getting into headcanon territory so I'll refrain from going any further in that direction. My point is that I don't accept the 'proof' you've provided as irrefutable in asserting the necessity of the alicorns in this matter. In fact I will not likely not concede to any of your arguments so I don't know why you're so adamant. Maybe you're just bored like me.

 

 

That's not what I said. I said that Luna's seeming capacity to change the weather because of her mood was more for dramatic effect rather than a concrete example of her ability to control the weather.

 

And even if was making that claim how could I go about proving it? Persuade the MLP production team to just make that concept a part of canon? That's just an impossible demand you're using to further your point.

 

 

Prove it. Oh wait... you can't.

 

But seriously, "dozens"? I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds if not thousands.

 

Try to picture an enormous militia and paramilitary force storming Canterlot and the Crystal Empire. Masses of earth ponies smashing the castles, swarms of pegasi bombarding from above and legions of unicorns blasting at the alicorns.

 

We've already seen in A Canterlot Wedding that the princesses military skill leads a lot to be desired when it comes to handling an invasion. Sure you could say that the situation with the Changelings would be different from ponies but it's also been demonstrated that regular ponies can square off against them in a fight. And Chrysalis? Well she wasn't exactly invincible herself either. She was only defeated by the combined magic of Cadance and Shining Armor, and his position in this scenario was not clarified though I'm sure which side most people think he would take. In any case he's no alicorn.

 

Ultimately, any leader who would oppose the will of their people in such a way isn't deserving of their position. The moment Celestia and the other alicorns attempt to persecute and enslave the citizens of Equestria is the moment they lose their legitimacy. That's a democratic perspective though. Maybe you have more absolutist sympathies than I do. Or you're just far more loyal than I am. Whatevs.

We're cool right? No fights... right? :3

 

 

I'll go with the ponies. I made my choice.