Twilight has become too perfect for me to care about her anymore

[Discordian 6,015]

Superman is very powerful, smart and rarely make mistakes too. He sucks. XD

 

Superman is very powerful, smart and rarely make mistakes too. He sucks. XD

I've never been a fan of superheroes in general and don't know much about Superman so I can't really say much but there's a reason he's as popular as he is, I'm sure. Popularity doesn't come out of nowhere.

[TenorSounds 832]

"Character development....."

 

Character development that grants her godlike power? Character development that makes her an unparalleled genius? 

 

I'm not really sure, but what I do know is that I certainly don't find her as relatable as she used to be. When I think back to how she was originally portrayed in season 1, I just don't see too many of those traits anymore. 

 

Many here have pointed out plenty of instances where Twilight is being just as "adorkable" as usual, as well as multiple times where she was anything but "perfect" and someone else saved the day. If you want to dislike her that's on you, but the evidence is there; it's character development, not "becoming perfect".

[Lemon Slices 358]

Hey guys, just a minute.

I saw somebody writing "Oh, it is just regular development." NO MAN, IT ISN'T!

Twilight got very much power. But and her friends?

I didn't watch a episode when a Twilight's friend gets more power or something that really makes difference.

[long gone 8,929]

"Character development....."

 

Character development that grants her godlike power? Character development that makes her an unparalleled genius? 

 

I'm not really sure, but what I do know is that I certainly don't find her as relatable as she used to be. When I think back to how she was originally portrayed in season 1, I just don't see too many of those traits anymore. 

Did you just ignore our posts where we highlighted that Twilight isn't an "unparalleled genius" nor does she have "godlike power"?

[TenorSounds 832]

Hey guys, just a minute.

I saw somebody writing "Oh, it is just regular development." NO MAN, IT ISN'T!

Twilight got very much power. But and her friends?

I didn't watch a episode when a Twilight's friend gets more power or something that really makes difference.

 

Some characters develop more than others, and that would be an interesting conversation to have in the context of the Mane 6. But the fact that Twilight has arguably more development than the others doesn't negate that development, or make her "perfect".

Edited December 8, 2014 by TenorSounds

[SilverStarApple 849]

I agree with you in number, grade and gender.

 

However, I didn't watched the fifth season, but I agree with you.

Twilight is just a book-fanatic and a spell trainer, but Hasbro is forcing her to be like a Goku.

 

example: the episode Magic Duel was like when Goku died, trained in the overworld and returned with 8000 power level to kill Nappa and Vegeta, but Twilight were banned, trained with Zecora in Everfree and returned to defeat Cursed Trixie.

 

This is one of my points.

 

If Hasbro don't stop making Twilight more overpowered, I will angryly kick the bucket and not watch the series anymore.

 

Another thing: The real Twilight ex-machina appeared in Magic Duel, when for her was too easy to change ponies gender, cast age spells and other things.

 

You... do realise that Twilight didn't actually do any of that stuff, right?

 

Her training with Zecora was set up to be like that, plus the Yoda scene from the original Star Wars, but... Her training didn't pay off. So she had to fight smarter, crafting a fake amulet and tricking Trixie, A STAGE MAGICIAN BY TRADE AND MARK, with smoke and mirrors and painted Big Mac.

[Lemon Slices 358]

Some characters develop more than others, and that would be an interesting conversation to have in the context of the Mane 6. But the fact that Twilight has arguably more development than the others doesn't negate that development, or make her "perfect".

Yeah. 

I am not defending the point "OMG, Twilight is perfect". This is the thread creator's point now.

I defend the point of her being much OP, not exaaactly perfect.

 

And really, Twilight is the one who definiantly changed something to better in her life.

[TenorSounds 832]

Yeah. 

I am not defending the point "OMG, Twilight is perfect". This is the thread creator's point now.

I defend the point of her being much OP, not exaaactly perfect.

 

And really, Twilight is the one who definiantly changed something to better in her life.

 

Well on that we'll just have to agree to disagree, I suppose. Instances where Twilight has made mistakes and failed to save the day have been pointed out many times, if that's not convincing that she's not OP then I don't know what is.

Edited December 8, 2014 by TenorSounds

[Lemon Slices 358]

Well on that we'll just have to agree to disagree, I suppose. Instances where Twilight has made mistakes and failed to save the day have been pointed out many times, if that's not convincing that she's not OP then I don't know what is.

Which instances?

Now I wanna know.

 

And I am not wanting to impose opinions. I just wanna have an nice argument fight. XD I know that in the end I could be wrong, but what's the problem in going deeper?

[TenorSounds 832]

Which instances?

Now I wanna know.

 

And I am not wanting to impose opinions. I just wanna have an nice argument fight. XD I know that in the end I could be wrong, but what's the problem in going deeper?

 

Well I'm all up for discussion, but you should read the thread thus far. Many of us have pointed these instances out in our posts.

Edited December 8, 2014 by TenorSounds

[Silver Letter 1,832]

 

 

I will re-watch it.

Sure. :okiedokielokie: Go "re-watch" it.

In regards to the topic, the idea behind this thread is likely not well thought out. Twilight could just be reaching the end of her struggles and finishing her journey. She isn't becoming all-powerful or losing her personality.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

I guess the other 5 haven't developed much since the start of the show, since I still see them as exactly the same characters they started out as. Rarity still cries uncontrollably over things, Dash is still pretty reckless and compulsive, Applejack is still stubborn (particularly when it comes to her farm), Pinkie's still rather obnoxious, and Fluttershy is still...well...shy. 

 

Again, I'm not saying Twilight is a Mary Sue. I know there are times when she doesn't come through. But it will still annoy me to no end the next time we see her pulling off an incredibly powerful goddess-level spell or see her suddenly having knowledge or experience to pull off something she has never done before. 

[Lemon Slices 358]

Sure. :okiedokielokie: Go "re-watch" it.

In regards to the topic, the idea behind this thread is likely not well thought out. Twilight could just be reaching the end of her struggles and finishing her journey. She isn't becoming all-powerful or losing her personality.

noooo... I was kidding XD. I wont re-watch, cause I won't lose time about something that i know i am wrong at.

And we're not distorting the main idea as you are insinuating.

And I already showed up my main idea. Twilight is getting too OP, not a goddess. There's a very notable difference between those two.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Pony Parodier (v2.0)

[TenorSounds 832]

noooo... I was kidding XD. I wont re-watch, cause I won't lose time about something that i know i am wrong at.

And we're not distorting the main idea as you are insinuating.

And I already showed up my main idea. Twilight is getting too OP, not a goddess. There's a very notable difference between those two.

 

What about your first post, where you said you agree with the the OP "in number, grade and gender"? Again, I'm all for discussion, but let's not be disingenuous.

 

Unless you're actually referring to the correct usage of agreement in the academic-linguistic terms of number, grade, and gender, but that context doesn't really make sense here, at least not to me 

 

@@Cleverclover, almost all of the characters have had development, in one way or another. Pinkie has the least, I think, and I hope she gets more, but again the amount of development the other characters do or do not have doesn't make Twilight "perfect" by any means. She's a powerful mage, as we've seen, but like I said the show goes out of it's way to show that doesn't mean she can rely on it to solve all of her problems. As for knowledge she never had before, is it that hard to assume she picked it up from somewhere? I mean you said it yourself, she loves books and learning! Gaining knowledge between episodes isn't so much of a stretch that it'd make me dislike the character.

 

What this comes down to is, Twilight is only going to be as OP as the writers make her. Sure, some of her solutions are contrived (such as the Breezies and her machine in Rainbow Rocks) but overall the writers have shown they approach her power with consideration and aren't out to turn her into a solve-all-the-problems character. You initial point of "not a mary sue but too perfect" is self-contradictory, since that's what a Mary Sue is generally considered to be. It seems like you don't like that some of her flaws are starting to round-out, and that just strikes me as a strange reason to stop liking a character. Wouldn't the alternative, a character that never changes, be just as boring as a "perfect" character?

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Too powerful? Um...what?

Are we forgetting that even WITH the power of three other alicorn princesses, she STILL couldn't defeat Tirek? So if she was fighting on her own power, Tirek easily would've mopped for floor with her- regardless of how powerful her own magic talents are supposed to be.

 

Personality change? Less flaws?  WHAT?

Are we forgetting the freakout Twi had in Rainbow Rocks, obsessing over that she had to do everything herself, that she had to have all the answers, that she couldn't reach out and ask her friends for help?

 

still seems like the same ol' Twilight. Princess or not

Edited December 8, 2014 by Nightmare Muffin

[Buck Testa 5,505]

How dare a character improve and develop over time! Its almost like she is getting older and more matured through the experiences she had with her friends. The nerve! she should of just stagnated And bended to the fandom perception of her just so the folks who did not want to see somepony learn lessons could be sated.

Alert: sarcasm overload

[Silver Letter 1,832]

 

 

I wont re-watch, cause I won't lose time about something that i know i am wrong at.

I recommend watching more about a character if you want to talk about it in depth. I advise against discussing something in which you know little to nothing about. Like this show. If you want to discuss it, please watch it. Or don't. It's up to you. It's just my thoughts.

 

P.S., you can also make a note so people don't reply to you in error like "I've never seen Magic Duel" or something. Again, just my thoughts!

[silvadel 1,393]

Twilight is in the big leagues now, whether she really wanted it or not.  Either the other characters are going to gain some power to be more equal with her, or she is going to have to move on.  You had the argument back in 4/1-2 whether or not she can sit back like Celestia and let the heroes face the big bad.  She likes to be more hooves on.  BUT that throne beckons.  Will she get a demotion like Admiral Kirk got to be a Captain again? 

[Cleverclover 1,526]

What this comes down to is, Twilight is only going to be as OP as the writers make her. Sure, some of her solutions are contrived (such as the Breezies and her machine in Rainbow Rocks) but overall the writers have shown they approach her power with consideration and aren't out to turn her into a solve-all-the-problems character. You initial point of "not a mary sue but too perfect" is self-contradictory, since that's what a Mary Sue is generally considered to be. It seems like you don't like that some of her flaws are starting to round-out, and that just strikes me as a strange reason to stop liking a character. Wouldn't the alternative, a character that never changes, be just as boring as a "perfect" character?

 

I think they're coming a little too close to crossing the line. Maybe it also has something to do with Twilight coming up with solutions far more often than her friends do. Maybe it has something to do with her making so few mistakes all season, at least in comparison to the others. Maybe it has something to do with her now appearing to be far more mature than the others when they all used to be on the same level development wise. 

 

I mean, I get development, but this all seems to go a little beyond development. It kinda seems to me that there's more of an effort to market Twilight above everyone else by making her look superior to everyone else. I mean, if I watch through season 4, it's plainly obvious for me to see that Twilight was glorified above them on more than a few occasions. Everything from her not being scared in Castle Mane-ia to the others being reduced to helplessness in Twilight's Kingdom. She just appears significantly superior to her friends now. 

Edited December 8, 2014 by Cleverclover

[TenorSounds 832]

I think they're coming a little too close to crossing the line. Maybe it also has something to do with Twilight coming up with solutions far more often than her friends do. Maybe it has something to do with her making so few mistakes all season, at least in comparison to the others. Maybe it has something to do with her now appearing to be far more mature than the others when they all used to be on the same level development wise. 

 

I mean, I get development, but this all seems to go a little beyond development. It kinda seems to me that there's more of an effort to market Twilight above everyone else by making her look superior to everyone else. I mean, if I watch through season 4, it's plainly obvious for me to see that Twilight was glorified above them on more than a few occasions. Everything from her not being scared in Castle Mane-ia to the others being reduced to helplessness in Twilight's Kingdom. She just appears significantly superior to her friends now. 

 

Well to be fair, she is a princess and has been through more than the others have. It's only natural she'd be on top of things more often. That is balanced out by her messing up just as often.

 

If they wanted to make Twilight all-powerful, they would have. They didn't. That's why I'm not worried.

Edited December 8, 2014 by TenorSounds

[Astral Blitzen 469]

This isn't exactly a issue of improvement hate as much as it being an issue of Twilight pulling a Goku and getting too powerful. Twilight is running close to reaching strength that would, in the long run, make people bored of the series and move on. It maybe an issue of execution or just Hasbro wanting somepony to surpass the princesses. IDK.

But remember, even though Goku became really powerful, so did his enemies, so he always had a challenge

Edited December 8, 2014 by Astral Blitzen

[Lemon Slices 358]

What about your first post, where you said you agree with the the OP "in number, grade and gender"? Again, I'm all for discussion, but let's not be disingenuous.

 

Unless you're actually referring to the correct usage of agreement in the academic-linguistic terms of number, grade, and gender, but that context doesn't really make sense here, at least not to me 

 

@@Cleverclover, almost all of the characters have had development, in one way or another. Pinkie has the least, I think, and I hope she gets more, but again the amount of development the other characters do or do not have doesn't make Twilight "perfect" by any means. She's a powerful mage, as we've seen, but like I said the show goes out of it's way to show that doesn't mean she can rely on it to solve all of her problems. As for knowledge she never had before, is it that hard to assume she picked it up from somewhere? I mean you said it yourself, she loves books and learning! Gaining knowledge between episodes isn't so much of a stretch that it'd make me dislike the character.

 

What this comes down to is, Twilight is only going to be as OP as the writers make her. Sure, some of her solutions are contrived (such as the Breezies and her machine in Rainbow Rocks) but overall the writers have shown they approach her power with consideration and aren't out to turn her into a solve-all-the-problems character. You initial point of "not a mary sue but too perfect" is self-contradictory, since that's what a Mary Sue is generally considered to be. It seems like you don't like that some of her flaws are starting to round-out, and that just strikes me as a strange reason to stop liking a character. Wouldn't the alternative, a character that never changes, be just as boring as a "perfect" character?

Yeah, dude. The "grade, number and gender" thing. I realized that I wasn't agreeing at all. Hehe.

I definitely found the bottom of the well, held on something I can't continue holding anymore.

But OMG, nice argument fighting we had, huh? Add me as friend!

Bye, everypony! I have to write something. I wont discuss here anymore, cause I know I am definitely wrong by "grade, gender and number" XD. Picked it from my Portuguese teacher LOL.

[Bird Mom 900]

I AGREE!!!!! I've gotten over her being an alicorn, but now the show just seems out of balance with her doing the princess things. ^^ I support UniTwi!

[Gary S. 102]

 

Soon to be the immortal princess of friendship, love, the sun and the moon

 

[VitalSpark 1,830]

I also will never understand how one can dislike perfection.

 

Indeed. In fact, if you dislike something, then it is not perfect by definition, because there is room for it to be improved (made more likeable).

 

I didn't watch a episode when a Twilight's friend gets more power or something that really makes difference.

 

Magical powers aren't their talents though. Magic is Twilight's element of harmony, so gaining power is part of her progress as a character. For the other ponies, character progression happens in other directions. In fact, season 4, with the keys, rather made a point of that.

 

Everything from her not being scared in Castle Mane-ia

 

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that she visited the castle quite frequently. The others hadn't been back there I think since they defeated Nightmare Moon. (Or at least not many times.)

 

Twilight's familiarity with the location would make her feel less scared.

 

Princess Twilight Sparkle is more powerful than she once was, but she's not all-powerful. She is awesome, but she's not perfect.

 

(But she is perfectly adorable.)

Edited December 9, 2014 by Vital Sparkle