gaming Why do PC gamers get so frustrated with console gamers? (mild rant)

[thatonepony12 88]

i love my xbox 360 with its custom derpy hooves design and my lyra heartstrings contorller yeah im stickin to the consolle simply beacuse there alot easier to use and less   xspensive then a pc made for gaming since i bought a xbox i can still aford to put onions in my ramen noodles (lols)

[WindyParadise 59]

I play many different games on the PC and some consoles. There is only two things I find annoying.

1. Consoles can't use Mods.

2. PC games require you to upgrade your computer as the years go by. Though I guess that is somewhat the same for consoles. lol

Edited December 17, 2014 by WindyParadise

[Twilight Dirac 721]

 

 

Ugh, that whole "PC Master Race" has been run into the ground at this point. I guess maybe it was supposed to be a joke at some time, but it just sounds more and more serious as time goes on.

 

I don't know where it originated, but I originally came across it when watching the Zero Punctuation review of The Witcher.  Yahtzee was criticizing the user interface when he threw out this joke, which was obviously at the expense of the PC gamers.  But its the kind of joke the target ends up owning for itself, for reasons that are plainly obvious.  It seems to have been overused to the point that console gamers are downright frustrated with it.

 

 

 

Yeah I still like the Wii U. It may be the weakest, but its got the best exclusives of the bunch.

 

Nintendo has done the best job of playing to the strengths of the console.  The N64 was probably the best at it.  It had a huge library of 4-player games that were fun to play with friends over and four built in controller ports, and it still ran off cartridges.  So if you had friends visiting and you wanted something to do, you could just slap in Goldeneye, Mario Kart 64, Super Smash Brother, Super Battletanks or a host of other games and immediately start playing some four player games.  Only downside is I think the cartridge system turned the 3rd party developers off, and Nintendo seems to be doing everything in its power to continue making their systems difficult to develop for.  Those mini CDs on the gamecube couldn't have helped, and did anyone even ask for motion controls?  Whenever I visit friends who own Wii's or Wii U's they always just have regular controllers which we use instead anyway.   

[NotoriousSMALL 1,984]

Some people just like to go at it, no matter what it is really. People fight about stupid crap all the time and some people feel the constant need to instigate (and I use to be around a person like that and they're sooooooo annoying)

[Cloud Strife 928]

It's impossible to argue with the fact that the success of consoles hinders PCs in some way, but the issue is that we're all consumers. We're going to buy something that we want - and since a lot of console games that I want are not available on the PC, I'm going to end up buying those, especially if they're related to Nintendo in any way.

 

Yes, I may be putting dollars into the pockets of these businesses that are essentially screwing PC gamers over, but how else am I supposed to get those games that I want? I don't think I could manage doing a sacrifice of that degree. That means no games for me until the PC industry gets furthered, and even then I wouldn't be able to go back to those games that I wanted to play.

[Pixie Doodle 144]

Right, I see a lot of negative stuff being thrown around here so I'd like to try and clear the air a little.

I am a PC gamer. But in no way do I resent or hold any sort of grudge against console gamers. Hell, I play PS3, 3DS, WiiU and Xbox. There are games to be enjoyed on all of them.
But, I do prefer to play on PC because I can enhance and mod various aspects of my games. There are so many games available for PC that aren't on console. If you love indie games, PC is your best friend because they're easier to access. A lot of awesome indie games won't be on console because they don't have the means or support to get them on there for distribution. Having a PC is also convenient since I use my PC for everything. Work, studies, blah blah blah, you get the picture.

What I do have a problem with is fanboys/girls as a whole. That's fanboys/girls of anything. Particular games, music, console and PC.. Nothing frustrates me more then some one rattling off "facts" or simply saying it's better because I said so.

I work at a game store. I have had to deal with fanboys/girls time and time again, and I hate to say it, but the majority of fan-persons I get screaming at me saying I'm stupid or wrong has been Xbox fans. By no means do I regard all Xbox players to be these loud, insulting people. I just wish they'd just respect my opinion and not get up all in my face about such frivolous crap.

I'm sorry, I have to say this but, PC, depending on how you build it, is better for playing games at an insane level. Better graphics, FPS, everything. 
BUT.. Does it really matter? No. 
Not everyone has the funds or time to put together their own PC, even if they wanted to. Their friends may not even be on PC. If you want to play with your friends, it's always better to get the console they play on. As long as you have fun with the games you're playing, who cares what you play them on?

To me, being a gamer isn't about being the best at a game, or having the best tech. If you are passionate about games, if you have fun playing games.. Why does it matter what you play them on?

Gaming and games is the future. It's become an art form. All the components of a game put together, the world, the characters, the story.. It's all there to entertain and to be admired..
Why fight over something that is suppose to bring joy?

We all have one amazing thing in common. We love games.
So why argue when we can just celebrate games together?

Edited December 17, 2014 by Pixie Doodle

[Admiral Regulus 2,769]

This is why PC gamers are elitists:

 

PC gamers are like sports car drivers. They're the corvettes, Vipers, Ferraris, Porches, McLarens and Aston Martins of the gaming world. In comparison, console gamers drive Civics and Priuses.

 

Now, is there anything wrong with that? Of course, the obvious answer is no. Of course not... but to claim that a Ford Pinto can be compared to a Nissan GTR is a sign that someone needs their head checked. They'recompletely different machines for completely different purposes.

 

Likewise, don't compare PC's to consoles. They're completely different classes. Fact: the PC is the elite class, that's why it's more expensive, time consuming, and also rewarding. That's where the master race joke comes from.

 

Consoles aren't bad for what they do, just as a Prius isn't bad for what it does. But the analogy works, because both consoles and economy cars are designed to appeal to the masses, as watered-down versions that are easy to own, operate, and use by the everyday man.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Regulus

[YouAreWorthSoMuch 102]

You want to really get into this bash fest, own a Wii U. Then you have both pc gamers and other console gamers on you. Funny thing is they always beg to let them play smash bros in the end. #nintendomasterrace

The Wii U is horribly underpowered, but it has achieved something the other consoles have sadly missed . It's not pretending to be a PC in any way. At no point does it pretend to do the things a PC can do, and it doesn't try to have the best graphics. It embraces aesthetic beauty rather than a polycount which makes its games look much better than they are.  It's designed from the ground up to be used for multiplayer with friends in your lounge room, and that I can approve of.

 

Sure, it's not going to be pushing 60fps @ 1080p any time soon, but when all I care about is stealing the last jelly snake while my best friend tries to hit me with a pogo hammer, it doesn't matter. If I were playing solo though, It would be a different story.

[long gone 8,929]

Sure, it's not going to be pushing 60fps @ 1080p any time soon

 Super Smash Bros. for Wii U runs at 1080p/60FPS. There are a few other games with that resolution and frame rate too, like Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, but afaik only Smash manages to maintain the frame rate. There's also The Wind Waker HD, which runs at 1080p, but is capped at 30FPS.

[YouAreWorthSoMuch 102]

 

 

Super Smash Bros. for Wii U runs at 1080p/60FPS

 

 

No wonder I had such fun with it. *Tips hat to nintendo* 

[Jonny Music 3,444]

The Wii U is horribly underpowered, but it has achieved something the other consoles have sadly missed . It's not pretending to be a PC in any way. At no point does it pretend to do the things a PC can do, and it doesn't try to have the best graphics. It embraces aesthetic beauty rather than a polycount which makes its games look much better than they are.  It's designed from the ground up to be used for multiplayer with friends in your lounge room, and that I can approve of.

 

Sure, it's not going to be pushing 60fps @ 1080p any time soon, but when all I care about is stealing the last jelly snake while my best friend tries to hit me with a pogo hammer, it doesn't matter. If I were playing solo though, It would be a different story.

I agree with what you said, but didn't you get the memo (especially from the 50 Fact Extravaganza for Super Smash Bros for Wii U Direct) that Super Smash Bros for Wii U runs natively at 1080p 60fps? Just thought I should let you know about that.

[GONEFOREVER 518]

As a PC gamer I think that the main reason is that console games are converted to PCs with little to no thought to "will this work just as well on a keyboard." I realize that the same thing goes on with PC games to consoles, but for some reason PC developers seem to spend a lot more time making their games actually be playable on consoles.

[WindyParadise 59]

I thought the recent X-Com(Enemy Unknown/Within) game did pretty well at a console(PC?) port. Being primarily a turn-based game would help it out in that regard though.

Edited December 17, 2014 by WindyParadise

[Sir Hugsalot 9,352]

I'll just go ahead and say that I too come from a background of both pc and console gaming. 

 

Why not petition for more PC exclusives? I mean it's not the console gamer's fault that pc games are held back. Take it to developers. 

I don't support any exclusives to be honest. I think that making games for PC only is as hurtful to some players as console exclusives. Unless game would be unplayable with controler of course. 

 

Releasing game for one gaming platform cuts certain players from it and I don't mean only PC gamers. Like for example I wish I could play Uncharted 4, but I will not be able, because I'd need PS4 which I don't want to buy. 

[Kankuro 233]

I'm a PC gamer and my brother is a console gamer (Particularly Xbox), and I don't really mind the 2, I normally play Spelunky on the Xbox but I see where you're coming from.

[YouAreWorthSoMuch 102]

I don't support any exclusives to be honest. I think that making games for PC only is as hurtful to some players as console exclusives. Unless game would be unplayable with controler of course. 

 

Releasing game for one gaming platform cuts certain players from it and I don't mean only PC gamers. Like for example I wish I could play Uncharted 4, but I will not be able, because I'd need PS4 which I don't want to buy. 

You see, there's your problem. If we want to get rid of PC exclusives, we then are required to cater to the lowest common denominator. Consoles. This makes EVERYTHING a console port, and is exactly the kind of rubbish PC gaming has had to put up with for years and years.

 

If we want to get rid of PC exclusives we need to level the playing field, and the only way to do that is by bringing consoles up to speed with PC's (Which is impossible) or just to remove them from the equation altogether.

 

Getting rid of console exclusives is as easy - anything can run a console game, so everything should be able to run it.

[Sir Hugsalot 9,352]

You see, there's your problem. If we want to get rid of PC exclusives, we then are required to cater to the lowest common denominator. Consoles. This makes EVERYTHING a console port, and is exactly the kind of rubbish PC gaming has had to put up with for years and years.

 

If we want to get rid of PC exclusives we need to level the playing field, and the only way to do that is by bringing consoles up to speed with PC's (Which is impossible) or just to remove them from the equation altogether.

 

Getting rid of console exclusives is as easy - anything can run a console game, so everything should be able to run it.

Not entirely truth. Witcher 2 for example was PC exclusive that eventually made its way on consoles and still was amazing game. Don't blame gaming platform for failure of game developer. 

[PROJECT: Simon 3,955]

Maybe console gamers and pc gamers are just comparing which is better? 

[YouAreWorthSoMuch 102]

Not entirely truth. Witcher 2 for example was PC exclusive that eventually made its way on consoles and still was amazing game. Don't blame gaming platform for failure of game developer. 

No - the problem lies with the platform and its severe lack of power. Sure, some developers are bad, but they're bad for everyone. 

 

 

Look at the above video. The game they released for XBOX was pared back terribly. It lost almost all the lighting effects, and looks worse than a PC running at medium settings. That's not a pc game coming to consoles - that's a PC game pared back until a console can run it (Which makes that version now a console game). Saying "It's an amazing game" is irrelevant. Sim City 2000 was an amazing game, and it was released in 1994. 

 

Say we remove all bias over how games look or play and go to a benchmark test.

 

The results are still there. Consoles just don't have the power to be able to run anything to the same standard a PC can.

[Sir Hugsalot 9,352]

No - the problem lies with the platform and its severe lack of power. Sure, some developers are bad, but they're bad for everyone. 

 

 

Look at the above video. The game they released for XBOX was pared back terribly. It lost almost all the lighting effects, and looks worse than a PC running at medium settings. That's not a pc game coming to consoles - that's a PC game pared back until a console can run it (Which makes that version now a console game). Saying "It's an amazing game" is irrelevant. Sim City 2000 was an amazing game, and it was released in 1994. 

 

Say we remove all bias over how games look or play and go to a benchmark test.

 

The results are still there. Consoles just don't have the power to be able to run anything to the same standard a PC can.

We still see focus on graphics only. All that needs to be done is reducing graphic details for consoles, story, gameplay are left undamaged. If someone reducses graphics on PC because consoles then it is not fault of consoles, but of someone being lazy or attempting to reduce costs. 

 

And graphics themselves are not that big deal to begin with. 

[YouAreWorthSoMuch 102]

We still see focus on graphics only. All that needs to be done is reducing graphic details for consoles, story, gameplay are left undamaged. If someone reducses graphics on PC because consoles then it is not fault of consoles, but of someone being lazy or attempting to reduce costs. 

 

And graphics themselves are not that big deal to begin with. 

 

Very few developers are producing their games because they love it. It's an industry. The driving force is what can get the most money back into the pockets of the publishers. Reducing costs is what they're all about. If they aim to release on console, they WILL cut the PC side of things to cut costs. Just look at the whole debacle surrounding Watch Dogs.

 

If it weren't for sony and microsoft trying to make consoles look 'good' by pallid attempts at hamstringing competition and trying to cut costs this type of thing would not happen.

[Mirrory 258]

There's no point comparing the Consoles and PC as they are both pretty much the same in their own sense. The only main difference between them all are the Games that end up being only available on one platform. Not much point just pushing to one side, I mean people did this over Xbox 360 and PS3 :S

 

Why they get mad is something I don't know...

Edited December 17, 2014 by Mirrory

[AEDAZ 176]

No - the problem lies with the platform and its severe lack of power. Sure, some developers are bad, but they're bad for everyone. 

 

 

Look at the above video. The game they released for XBOX was pared back terribly. It lost almost all the lighting effects, and looks worse than a PC running at medium settings. That's not a pc game coming to consoles - that's a PC game pared back until a console can run it (Which makes that version now a console game). Saying "It's an amazing game" is irrelevant. Sim City 2000 was an amazing game, and it was released in 1994. 

 

Say we remove all bias over how games look or play and go to a benchmark test.

 

The results are still there. Consoles just don't have the power to be able to run anything to the same standard a PC can.

Wow, are we really bringing up graphics? Please provide a better argument. 

 

I mean if you all say that PC games are being "held back" by console games (Not our fault by the way) then there really doesn't seem to be that much of an advantage going with a pc in the first place. 

Edited December 17, 2014 by Squeak

[Blaze Bronson 343]

Most of it is just satire. Once you spend the money and time to get the advantages of PC, you look back and smirk at those that those that don't.

The problem is that once you actually pick up the satire stick and start poking, you awake the hornet's nest. Flame war is inevitable.

 

You also ask if there is a practical reason for this. Yes actually there is. Satire is meant to expose problems so it can get the attention it deserves and be improved.

Generally, consoles gives the manufacturers the power, while PC's give the end users the power. An example of this is exclusives. Exclusives only benefit Microsoft and Sony, not the gamers. Want a new controller? Suck it up, the manufacturer said you can only use their controller. As a PC gamer you vote with your money. Buy the best controller from one manufacturer, and the best games from another. The developers will have to adapt to YOU in order to win your money. This creates greater products that fits you even better.

 

Also they are just a bunch of filthy peasants with their locked 30 fps and sub par 1080p *poke* *poke*  

[YouAreWorthSoMuch 102]

Wow, are we really bringing up graphics? Please provide a better argument. 

 

I mean if you all say that PC games are being "held back" by console games (Not our fault by the way) then there really doesn't seem to be that much of an advantage going with a pc in the first place. 

 

Would you rather I argue the myriad of uses other than gaming a PC has, or the plethora of input and display options? Printers, scanners, graphics tablets - your console can't use any of those. I chose to argue graphics and gaming because that is what this topic was about, and is the only field consoles can even pretend to try to compete in.

 

My 'better argument' is Maya. Photoshop. Illustrator, After Effects, 3DS MAX, literally hundreds of thousands of programs to do what you want, when you want, how you want. It is free access to the internet and online services. It is replacable parts, upgradable parts, and almost infinite customisaton. It is the power to create rather than consume. It is freedom to operate with whatever operating system you want. It is the ability to have multiple displays, the ability to host servers, make websites, host said websites, It is the ability to mod your games and overclock your hardware to get the last drop of power out of your hardware. It is the ability to connect people in hostile countries to the outside world via encrypted network protocol and give them hope. 

 

Should I keep going? No. I'll stop there to give you a faint hope of a chance. What can your console do?