Should Sunset Shimmer Return To Equestria For an Episode?

[The Awesome One 1,315]

I would like to see her make another attempt to defeat the Mane 6 and the remorse she was showing at the end of Equestria Girls was all an act. She has a 'Plan B' and she's going to do it in Equestria this time. Maybe even team up with the changelings or something, that would be interesting to watch.  

[Omar 692]

Sunset shimmer should probably stay an EG character. Since she hasn't even been in a single episode of MLP FIM.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

That would be cool.
I do not see why not!
 

[Brainstorm 4,112]

I would like to see Sunset return to Equestria for an episode to show she's reformed and probably sings the song, My Past Is Not Today, to show she understands.

[Red Cedar 1,408]

Well... if you believe the leaks...
 

 

The time loop Twilight mentioned at the end of Friendship Games is a reference to the season 5 finale. It involves Twilight discovering what would happen had Rainbow Dash failed to create the sonic rainboom that resulted in the mane 6 all getting their cutie marks together. In this alternate timeline, Twilight finds herself acting as an assistant.

An assistant to Princess Sunset Shimmer.

 

[Whitewolf 106]

I'd love to see her come back, but just for a short time. Maybe in the movie? 

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

She can return for one episode, to show that she has changed, that she can make up with Celestia but that's it.

 

If she becomes something like a main character, there is really nothing that she can do, because she is pretty much a Twilight 2.0, with less to gain.

[Number62 1,258]

If a good story can be told with her return, why not?

[ManyANewDay_36 178]

Yes! I would love to see this! 

[Dawning Demon 950]

Oh my gosh I really want Sunset to return home! :3

[Unlikeable Pony 2,699]

No, I don't. Sunset shimmer is the most overrated character ever in the series :[

 

On that note, integrating her into the show would be difficult. Human sunset had the initial subplot of "Evil ex student of celestias" which would have worked, if she hadn't already had all her character development done in the previous 2 movies. So the appeal of her returning is lost. Additionally, were she to return, she'd be turning her back on her human friends, which goes against the entire point of her carving out her own place in the world. (Granted, I expect the fourth movie will retread that crap since there was supposed to be a subplot of sunset missing equestria and learning to accept the human world instead, which was cut)

 

The possibility for a "Sunset" entering FIM canon would be Human sunset from that world end up crossing over and taking a place in the mane six, but that would require another EQG movie dedicated to it, and while I can see the logic of that occuring in both a show and meta standpoint, I'm honestly sick of the EQG movies plots being about her, so I would not be keen on that being what the fourth movie about.
Additionally, while that would work in the show's logic and would be a decent way to add *a* sunset to the show, having human sunset travel over would require EQG 4 first, and that means it probably wouldn't be until a seventh season unless they really stepped up the timetable on how fast they churn out EQG movies to get it out before S6. (and its not even a sure bet that there will be more than 6 seasons)

[Goat-kun 2,530]

At first I thought Sunset Shimmer could have been integrated into the original FIM plot, but now I’m leaning more and more onto the side that wants to smash all portals. Her character brings nothing new to the table. We already have Twilight (the science horse), Luna (le sad princess), and we’ll probably also get redeemed Starlight to waifu around with. Introducing her would interfere with character development of aforementioned mares.

 

But-but-but, Princess Celestia and Sunset Shimmer must … Sorry, but this is already covered by Celestia and Luna interaction. Doing the whole forgiveness thing twice would be wasting valuable company time and precious resources, and if they don’t want to do an episode about those two, they have no reason to do one about Shimmer.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,699]

At first I thought Sunset Shimmer could have been integrated into the original FIM plot, but now I’m leaning more and more onto the side that wants to smash all portals. Her character brings nothing new to the table. We already have Twilight (the science horse), Luna (le sad princess), and we’ll probably also get redeemed Starlight to waifu around with. Introducing her would interfere with character development of aforementioned mares.

 

But-but-but, Princess Celestia and Sunset Shimmer must … Sorry, but this is already covered by Celestia and Luna interaction. Doing the whole forgiveness thing twice would be wasting valuable company time and precious resources, and if they don’t want to do an episode about those two, they have no reason to do one about Shimmer.

 

 

Honestly, I don't know what they plan to do with Sunset and twilight in the EQG universe for the next movie, as the two are pretty redundant as characters as far as group dynamics go.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

At first I thought Sunset Shimmer could have been integrated into the original FIM plot, but now I’m leaning more and more onto the side that wants to smash all portals. Her character brings nothing new to the table. We already have Twilight (the science horse), Luna (le sad princess), and we’ll probably also get redeemed Starlight to waifu around with. Introducing her would interfere with character development of aforementioned mares.

 

But-but-but, Princess Celestia and Sunset Shimmer must … Sorry, but this is already covered by Celestia and Luna interaction. Doing the whole forgiveness thing twice would be wasting valuable company time and precious resources, and if they don’t want to do an episode about those two, they have no reason to do one about Shimmer.

really? There's still aLOT for Twi to learn. Luna, too, and you don't think Sunny could cross over, be a part of the group, or just be student to Luna, and learn and grow alongside them, being taught, and teaching in mutual benefit? There's nothing Sunny coud do in Equestria, as far as being of help to Spike or the CMC? Or heck, even being taken in by Tw's parent, who we could get story on, maybd as them missing their kids, because they never visit, now ghat they're royals...anything, really

[NeonCobalt 256]

For an episode, yes. It would be interesting to see her make amends with Princess Celestia. Plus it would end all the debates about Equestria Girls being canon or not. On a permanent basis, no.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

For an episode, yes. It would be interesting to see her make amends with Princess Celestia. Plus it would end all the debates about Equestria Girls being canon or not. On a permanent basis, no.

I don't see why people say EqG isn't canon to FiM. Didn't Flash Sentry, a character who was supposed to exist for the sole purpos of Equestria Girls, show up in FiM, in "three's a crowd" purpose? That right there is canon, right? So why can most hated stallion, Flash, who was an EqG made character, show up in FiM, whereas Sunset, most loved mare, can't?

 

Where's the logic and fairness in that?

Edited October 10, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[Steve Piranha 29,449]

It would suddenly destroy the 'Equestria Girls is not canon" idea.

I don't get where people got that idea. Not needing to watch EG to watch the show, does not mean EG is not canon

 

I commented about Sunny's appearance in the show, but I repeat myself again. An episode with her as a guess star would be delightful, much like the Power Rangers crossover episodes 

[Cleverclover 1,526]

No. 

 

Having Sunset Shimmer return for even one episode would do nothing but make fans demand that she become a regular, or even the mane seventh. 

 

The way I see it, if they bring her back, there's simply no place for her other than the mane seventh. And it's way too late for a mane seven. 

 

 

 

That right there is canon, right?

 

Actually, no. Flash Sentry's existence alone does not prove that Equestria Girls happened.

 

 

 

I don't get where people got that idea.

 

My earlier post in this thread explained how the show itself is pretty much refusing to acknowledge the Equestria Girls films as canon (via numerous inconsistencies). That's where people are getting the idea.  

[Marimo 555]

When the first movie came out, Meghan said it wasn't canon by her understanding of the word, so it may not match up with other people's understanding of it. And by her understanding of the word canon, she thought it just means part of the official story line. She said it did happen, it just doesn't affect story lines in the show.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,699]

 And it's way too late for a mane seven

 

Not that I want sunset to return, but I actually think its at a point in time where they could do that fairly easily, due to the fact that they nixed the Elements of harmony in the show.

The EOH enforced a hard cap on the group due to only six EOH existing, and existing as a set. But with the EOH gone, its far easier to impliment a character with that hard number gone.

 

 

Granted, I think everything is all up to how FG is recieved by the target audience. While there is absolutely no shortage of Sunset fans coming out of the woordwork absolutely SCREAMING for her in the show, Toy sales are going to be the deciding factor. If Sunset doesn't sell well compared to the other mane six toywise (Like her time to shine toy and her Friendship game doll), I can see hasbro telling them to not to bother, while if she DOES sell well, Hasbro only cares about money, and a way to make a profit is a way to make a profit to them so they could mandate sunset.

[Hero 63]

I think it would be a great idea. Especially seeing how she's had some bad history in Equestria, I think the new her would want to make things right.

[Goat-kun 2,530]

Honestly, I don't know what they plan to do with Sunset and twilight in the EQG universe for the next movie, as the two are pretty redundant as characters as far as group dynamics go.

I’m as confused as you are about these two. After the first movie, I thought that writers would keep Shimmer a little bit more egotistical and ambitious despite her reformation, but then they went ahead and transformed her into a complete goody-goody rag doll. And to make matters worse, they’ve been grooming her as Twilight Mk II, only to then introduce the real deal. Now they’re like two Highlanders, and none of them can fill the shoes of Twilight Classic.

really? There's still aLOT for Twi to learn. Luna, too, and you don't think Sunny could cross over, be a part of the group, or just be student to Luna, and learn and grow alongside them, being taught, and teaching in mutual benefit? There's nothing Sunny coud do in Equestria, as far as being of help to Spike or the CMC? Or heck, even being taken in by Tw's parent, who we could get story on, maybd as them missing their kids, because they never visit, now ghat they're royals...anything, really

You’re not wrong by stating that Shimmer could do a lot of stuff in Equestria. However, Twilight, Luna, all the others, they still have much to learn indeed, and they can do it much better without another mane-ish character cluttering their episodes. This show has problems with pacing and char development, so the last thing it needs right now is another friendship student.

[Redacted321 105]

I'd love too see that but we've been told that EQG is separate from FiM, so while it'd be nice and she should i doubt it'll happen... i've been wrong before.

[manic 121]

I wouldn't mind a cameo episode.

[UnknownFry 169]

It is not to late to introduce her as a the seventh main character as her arc is till tied to Equestria to an extent, but it would take a considerable amount of time and resources to make it work. I suspect a friendly visit would be nice and good and it can be used to further to tie the two franchises together as being one canon.

 

People who say the movies are not canon fail to understand what canon means in the context of the show and the MLPFIM universe. The staff has already mentioned that they are canon, and that should be enough. That is the events took place within the context of the MLPFIM universe.

 

Treating them as separate does not make them any less canon because they do this for viewer accessibility reasons so people can watch the show and understand it without having to watch the films.

 

All of these movies have been framed during certain points of time in the show, so it still all ties within the lore and framework of the show.

 

More importantly the show does not contradict the canoncity of these films.  Not mentioning or directly referring to them does not make them any less canon, nor does canon have to mean it is a two way street as well.

 

It is worth noting that people who dislike these films tend to be the ones try claim they are not canon in vain while gasping at straws. They don't have a say on the matter as canon can only be defined by those who control the rights to the intellectual property, so far the show has remained consistent with the official policy.

 

People can try to claim Equestria Games as a way out, but they still would have to acknowledge the presence of Flash Sentry whose character was actually introduced in the first movie.

 

If canon means perfect consistency than by that logic the show would not be canon unto itself as several episode have contradicted themselves.

 

However when all is said and done at the end of the day the staff has more or less left it opened to personal choice on the matter regardless of their  stance on it.  I might not agree with it for all of my aforementioned reasons but fans do have a right to decide for themselves even if it does not align to official policy.

Edited October 10, 2015 by UnknownFry