Twilight Sparkle?

[Prince Firemane 309]

I seriously don't think magic is needed at all here. Friendship doesn't need magic. My point is, the way the elements are set up is dumb with how Twi is, and it could have easily been different. 

Alright, then how would you have set it up?

[user1342342 143]

Alright, then how would you have set it up?

 

I already said. If you want to know how I would change Twi as a character, just read my earlier posts, I think you can guess. 

[Justin_Case001 4,911]

Piss off. 

Alright.  I'm sorry I said anything.  I just find it depressing that so many fans seem to hate her so much.  There's no need to get angry at me.

[Prince Firemane 309]

I already said. If you want to know how I would change Twi as a character, just read my earlier posts, I think you can guess. 

All you've ever posted in here are posts about how you don't like how she's written, how overpowered she is, how her flaws are trivial, how you want her stripped down; and contradictory posts about how perfect she is/isn't. But no, I'm asking for specifics; what exactly would you do to make her better? How would you write her? How would you tone down her power? How would you make her flaws less trivial? Would her friends have the same level of power? Would she still be a Princess? Would she still be Celestia's protege? And perhaps most importantly; would she still be in the show at all?

 

Oh, and while I'm reading through your posts just to get my arguments straight;

 

Her personality is also near perfect, with her flaws being minor and overcame rather quickly. She outshines pretty much every character on the show, and we're reminded frequently of how "special" she is.

 

I do agree that she is overly-privileged/gifted to an absurd degree.

 

I don't think she's absolutely perfect though.

 

unrealistically perfect/gifted/praised. Twilight fits that.

 

I never said Twi was absolutely perfect, she obviously isn't.

 

he still had trivial flaws, she was still ridiculously overpowered, she was still treated like a super special snowflake by the world.

What the hell? Your entire argument is predicated on you not liking how perfect you perceive Twilight to be, yet you keep contradicting yourself. Figure it out and stick with it; is Twilight perfect or isn't she?

[77Natt 18]

I always thought of it as Twilight being a 'model' character. So it's a children's tv show and there's a moral to most if not all episodes. I always considered her to be the portrayal of the 'desirable' characteristics the people watching the show 'should' aspire to have

 

I'm not saying this is what I necessarily think, it's just what I consider the writers to have had in mind

[Mesme Rize 15,690]

All that this argument boils down to is "i don't like thing."

 

It's okay if you don't like thing, as long as you respect that others like thing, because it's all a matter of opinion.

 

[user1342342 143]

 

 

What the hell? Your entire argument is predicated on you not liking how perfect you perceive Twilight to be, yet you keep contradicting yourself. Figure it out and stick with it; is Twilight perfect or isn't she?

 

 

I told you in my earlier posts, I don't think Twilight is absolutely perfect in every way. I am not willing to discuss this point any further, if you think that's a contradiction then you clearly haven't understood what I wrote.

[Jeric 46,873]

Yeah, I hid some things. 

 

 

 

Let's keep the discussion civil, mature, and imagine the other guy on the other end of the screen. 

[Prince Firemane 309]

I told you in my earlier posts, I don't think Twilight is absolutely perfect in every way. I am not willing to discuss this point any further, if you think that's a contradiction then you clearly haven't understood what I wrote.

 

Alright, sorry about that. I'll leave that one alone.

 

But I have another question for you. Keep in mind that I mean no malice behind it and I feel it's a question that must be considered in discussions like these. Would you have the same level of dislike if it was your favorite character getting all the attention that Twilight gets?

[user1342342 143]

Alright, sorry about that. I'll leave that one alone.

 

But I have another question for you. Keep in mind that I mean no malice behind it and I feel it's a question that must be considered in discussions like these. Would you have the same level of dislike if it was your favorite character getting all the attention that Twilight gets?

 

You mean Trixie? She likes attention, being a performer and all. If she was treated like Twilight, acted like her, and was absurdly overpowered, then she would basically be a Twi clone, and I would have never liked her.

[Prince Firemane 309]

You mean Trixie? She likes attention, being a performer and all. If she was treated like Twilight, acted like her, and was absurdly overpowered, then she would basically be a Twi clone, and I would have never liked her.

Alright, fair enough. I do personally think that Twilight is a well rounded character. But I will agree that the writers have been a little heavy-handed with her. I'd like to see more of her negative traits come out, but not just a return of season 1 Twilight.

[user1342342 143]

 

Alright, fair enough. I do personally think that Twilight is a well rounded character. But I will agree that the writers have been a little heavy-handed with her. I'd like to see more of her negative traits come out, but not just a return of season 1 Twilight.

 

When I think of a well rounded character, Goku from Dragonball comes to mind. He's earned every bit of respect he has, and gained all of his strength and powers through working hard and wanting to be better. Sure he had the advantage of being a sayian, but he was born pathetically weak compared to the other sayians. The world never treated Goku with such respect until he earned it and proved himself. Twilight seems to have everything made for her from the beginning, she started out nearly perfect in terms of personality, and she was insanely overpowered for no reason. I can list off the other reasons but I think you know them by now.

[Prince Firemane 309]

 

 

 

When I think of a well rounded character, Goku from Dragonball comes to mind. He's earned every bit of respect he has, and gained all of his strength and powers through working hard and wanting to be better. Sure he had the advantage of being a sayian, but he was born pathetically weak compared to the other sayians. The world never treated Goku with such respect until he earned it and proved himself. Twilight seems to have everything made for her from the beginning, she started out nearly perfect in terms of personality, and she was insanely overpowered for no reason. I can list off the other reasons but I think you know them by now.

 

See, to me Twilight earned her respect like Goku did. Twilight earned every bit of power she has. True, she was born with more basic talent than Goku, but she still practiced and worked hard. Take Friendship is Magic - Part 2 for an example. She teleported away from Nightmare Moon and towards the Elements. She was shown to be worn out by it. Then later on in The Crystal Empire - Part 1, she was able to teleport several times over a short distance without any weariness. She grew over time to gain that skill. Also, in A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2, that was the first time she was shown to perform any kind of magic blast, and now she does it with ease even without three other sets of Alicorn magic. She botched transmutation in The Best Night Ever, and seemed to have mastered it by It Ain't Easy Being Breezies. She trains and grows in skill and competence, she just don't do it relentlessly on screen like Goku did. Not to mention, as we both readily admit, she's a good pony and a good friend, so naturally that would come easy to her even in spite of her original antisocial tendencies.

[user1342342 143]

 

 

Twilight earned every bit of power she has.

 

That just isn't true. In the first season, she displayed just how overpowered and she really was. Boast Busters comes to mind. Granted, her power does vary between who's writing her.

 

 

 

True, she was born with more basic talent than Goku, but she still practiced and worked hard

 

There's more to working hard than reading. That's mainly what Twilight does. Goku goes out in the real world and learns from people and his own mistakes. 

 

 

 

she just don't do it relentlessly on screen like Goku did

 

I'm not just talking about Goku's heavy training seasons. 

[Prince Firemane 309]

That just isn't true. In the first season, she displayed just how overpowered and she really was. Boast Busters comes to mind. Granted, her power does vary between who's writing her.

Well, yeah, that was a little heavy-handed. But that was just basic telekinesis. Rarity is able manipulate many, many objects and direct them all at the same time; intricately weaving needles in and out, folding, arranging and sometimes even creating fabrics to name a few. She might not be able to lift a watertower reservoir, fill it with milk and carry it and a large bear to a cave, but with how nimble and delicate she must be with all the objects under her control, I have no doubt that the same level of focus is required.

 

 

There's more to working hard than reading. That's mainly what Twilight does. Goku goes out in the real world and learns from people and his own mistakes. 

Yes, but it still plays a large part in her skills. Not to mention, she does go out into the real world and learns from ponies and her own mistakes. She interacts with ponies around Ponyville quite often, she ventures outside of Ponyville with her friends and now with season 5, she very well may be going on trips all over the world from time to time.

[user1342342 143]

 

 

But that was just basic telekinesis.

 

 

 

She lifted a giant bear a thousand times her size, along with some other big shit.

 

 

That's like Frieza level telekinesis. It's ridiculously stupid and unnecessary.

 

 

Rarity is able manipulate many, many objects and direct them all at the same time; intricately weaving needles in and out, folding, arranging and sometimes even creating fabrics to name a few.

 

That's not overpowered in the slightest. Her talent lies within creating and she never used any high level spells to make stuff.

 

 

 

Not to mention, she does go out into the real world and learns from ponies and her own mistakes

 

 

Not nearly to the degree that Goku, or any other well written character would. Like I said, she mostly reads. 

[Prince Firemane 309]

That's like Frieza level telekinesis. It's ridiculously stupid and unnecessary.

...That's a good analogy; like I said, it was heavy-handed.

 

 

That's not overpowered in the slightest. Her talent lies within creating and she never used any high level spells to make stuff.

Well, Twilight mostly fails in her high-level spells, at the least they don't turn out the way she wanted it to. The mice-to-horses transmutation spell comes to mind. In fact, the only large spell the comes to mind that Twilight pulled off successfully was the Breezies transmutation spell, which to me seems in line with her growth up to that point.

 

 

Not nearly to the degree that Goku, or any other well written character would. Like I said, she mostly reads.

She actually goes out very often. Very few episodes have her just up in her library reading and even then the episodes only start out that way and she puts it aside in order to do what the episode requires. A lot of the times, she's reading for a purpose, like The History of the Crystal Empire, or their journal of friendship.

[user1342342 143]

 

 

Well, Twilight mostly fails in her high-level spells

 

 

I've seen her pull off quiet a few, without much effort. Other times she struggles. I think her power is inconsistent throughout the series. Still, Boast Busters is where I decided that she was overpowered. 

 

 

 

at the least they don't turn out the way she wanted it to.

 

 

That's true, but she has a nearly limitless range of abilities the writers can pull out of her ass thanks to "special". I'd like to see more than mainly Twilight doing all the important magic stuff. 1/3 of the population can use magic, come on.

 

 

 

 

She actually goes out very often. Very few episodes have her just up in her library reading and even then the episodes only start out that way and she puts it aside in order to do what the episode requires.

 

 

She doesn't read the whole episode, but she does solve a bunch of problems just by reading. 

Twilight isn't like Goku, I just don't see it. 

[Prince Firemane 309]

That's true, but she has a nearly limitless range of abilities the writers can pull out of her ass thanks to "special". I'd like to see more than mainly Twilight doing all the important magic stuff. 1/3 of the population can use magic, come on.

True, I'd like to see that too. To add another point from Boast Busters, I don't like the given idea that Unicorns are supposed to be possessed of only a little magic based around their talent, it does seem to exist to make Twilight more "special". There are some other Unicorns that can use a large amount of magic; Rarity as I've already said. Trixie can based around her stage show. Shining Armor is incredible with defensive spells. Starlight Glimmer is a powerful mage as it seems her talent is magic itself like Twilight. But yes, I would like to see the average Unicorn skill cranked up.

 

 

She doesn't read the whole episode, but she does solve a bunch of problems just by reading.

Haven't we all?

[user1342342 143]

 

 

To add another point from Boast Busters, I don't like the given idea that Unicorns are supposed to be possessed of only a little magic based around their talent

 

 

I agree 100%. This fact alone diminishes the potential for some great episodes involving unicorns and their magic. At least we have the school for gifted unicorns, which I'm assuming is for unicorns gifted in magic. Boast Busters was a horribly written episode that left a nasty first impression when I started watching the show.

 

 

 

There are some other Unicorns that can use a large amount of magic; Rarity as I've already said.

 

 

I wouldn't put Rarity above the average unicorn in terms of magic. 

 

 

 

Trixie can based around her stage show.

 

 

Trixie is another unicorn that's talented in magic, but not absurdly overpowered. That's one reason why I find her to be interesting. If only they handled her character better.

[Prince Firemane 309]

I agree 100%. This fact alone diminishes the potential for some great episodes involving unicorns and their magic. At least we have the school for gifted unicorns, which I'm assuming is for unicorns gifted in magic. Boast Busters was a horribly written episode that left a nasty first impression when I started watching the show.

Indeed. Well, the writers have ignored continuity in the past, let's hope they'll do it again in this case.

 

 

I wouldn't put Rarity above the average unicorn in terms of magic. 

She might not be above average, but she does show a greater capacity for it than we've seen from most other Unicorns.

 

 

Trixie is another unicorn that's talented in magic, but not absurdly overpowered. That's one reason why I find her to be interesting. If only they handled her character better.

Yeah, I agree, Trixie is powerful, but not stupidly so.

[Xenomorphic 362]

All Mane  6 are great in my opinion, Twilight can be a bit OP but she is a lovable nerd which is my favorite quality about her

[Queen Sparkle 104]

Let me get this straight, Trixie is not talented in magic as her cutiemark symbolizes something else (or at least this is my opinion and just listen to it or not)

In Equestria its been stated multiple times that somepony cannot have the same talent as a different pony even if the cutie marks design don't match. So what I see is symbolized in Trixie's cutiemark is what I'm about to state. The wand symbolizes a magician more specifically a stage magician. The arua around the wand symbolizes a skill in magic and as we all know that there's different types of magic in Equestria, one of them being illusion magic. So if we combine both of the cutiemark symbolisms then we get stage magic/illusion magic. So there you have it in my opinion Trixie's cutiemark represents her being a stage magician.

[user1342342 143]

Let me get this straight, Trixie is not talented in magic as her cutiemark symbolizes something else (or at least this is my opinion and just listen to it or not)

In Equestria its been stated multiple times that somepony cannot have the same talent as a different pony even if the cutie marks design don't match. So what I see is symbolized in Trixie's cutiemark is what I'm about to state. The wand symbolizes a magician more specifically a stage magician. The arua around the wand symbolizes a skill in magic and as we all know that there's different types of magic in Equestria, one of them being illusion magic. So if we combine both of the cutiemark symbolisms then we get stage magic/illusion magic. So there you have it in my opinion Trixie's cutiemark represents her being a stage magician.

 

I don't want this to be a Trixie discussion, but she did go to the school for gifted unicorns, and she does magic shows as her career. She brags about her magic, it's pretty obvious that's what she's talented at. I've also never seen her do an illusion spell, so I don't even know where people get that idea.

[Queen Sparkle 104]

I don't want this to be a Trixie discussion, but she did go to the school for gifted unicorns, and she does magic shows as her career. She brags about her magic, it's pretty obvious that's what she's talented at. I've also never seen her do an illusion spell, so I don't even know where people get that idea.

Actually its stated somewhere that Trixie was kicked out of magic school (stated by Lauren Faust). And she's a stage magician, and the only magic stage magicians do is illusion magic.

Edited May 27, 2015 by EB Creations