Cursive will no longer be a part of the US school curriculum.

[Retro*Derpy 3,186]

Doesn't bother me, though it was interesting since I had a Chinese co-worker who couldn't read it. We were friends at the time and I would mess with him in cursive 

[Splashee 28,564]

We got italics on computers so we don't need to curse anymore in schools.

[ExplosionMare 18,065]

It’s good to know how to sign your name for checks but there’s no need to write whole sentences out

[Flying Pencil 3,024]

Makes sense to me. Cursive always felt useless to me

[Tom Gallagher 33,588]

That’s the only way I can write! 

[Savy 5,080]

Doesn't really effect me much, cause my cursive is just AWFUL. I only use it when signing things.

[ExplosionMare 18,065]

If we could at least learn how to read the cards grandparents send us with all the crazy cursive, that would be great! 

[Northern Star 1,024]

When I was in school(way before this discussion started) the teacher gave us a choice: read a book that everyone liked(I don't recall what it was) or learn cursive.

Much to the teacher's dismay, everyone wanted to learn cursive. She always seemed...irritated at that decision for the rest of the year. 

Much faster to write with, if I take the time I can make it look like the fancy cursive of old days, but in a hurry it becomes my own breed of shorthand, much to everyone's annoyance. 

[Clawdeen 14,816]

I don’t even remember how to write in cursive

[J.J 923]

My cursive I have been told is so neat is looks "womanly". lol

Edited November 2, 2022 by Spook Conundrum

[Envy 6,169]

As someone who now is in data entry work (processing mail and hand written names/address/notes), I am not at all a fan of cursive. It's rare enough for people to print legibly. They do not need another way of writing that is even harder to read.

[J.J 923]

On 2022-04-09 at 7:30 PM, Props ValRoa said:

I don't understand the point in cursive. To me it just feels like a way for people to have an excuse to be elitist. 

It's okay to not know cursive but that is hardly the case, it's more comfortable for a lot of people that are ambidextrous or left handed and there is a certain flow to it that makes it seem like you are writing quicker, I love cursive more than manuscript... but I don't look down on people that don't write in cursive or know how to read it, I would be considerate if I was needing to send a letter to someone that doesn't read it well or if I was giving a presentation to an entire staff or something I would make sure everyone could clearly read what was in the presentation...

[RDDash 19,189]

For me it was long time ago, and I forgot how to write it. Doesn't matter, people are going to acquire professor's style handwriting where people can't understand what you wrote anyways

[ZiggWheelsManning 10,661]

1 hour ago, Spook Conundrum said:

My cursive I have been told is so neat is looks "womanly". lol

I think it's supposed to look that way  

[Splashee 28,564]

Is it because AI have a harder time distinguishing script from non-script characters?

[Dreambiscuit 9,906]

It figures that cursive would be excised from school curriculums. It's a bad idea to remove it so naturally that's what they're going to do. It’s useful and a faster way of writing than common printing. Considering some of the totally meaningless garbage that schools force-feed their students, it seems cursive should be low on the list of topics to remove. But such is the stupidity of modern schools. To think that some schools have instituted ‘Ebonics’ courses into their programs, yet remove legitimate teaching of real language is typically absurd. But I guess slang and degeneration of actual verbal meaning has little importance compared to posturing for the media or imparting skills that have actual use.  

[DubWolf 17,266]

On 2022-11-04 at 1:31 AM, Dreambiscuit said:

It figures that cursive would be excised from school curriculums. It's a bad idea to remove it so naturally that's what they're going to do. It’s useful and a faster way of writing than common printing. Considering some of the totally meaningless garbage that schools force-feed their students, it seems cursive should be low on the list of topics to remove. But such is the stupidity of modern schools. To think that some schools have instituted ‘Ebonics’ courses into their programs, yet remove legitimate teaching of real language is typically absurd. But I guess slang and degeneration of actual verbal meaning has little importance compared to posturing for the media or imparting skills that have actual use.  

The rare one has spoken !

[Envy 6,169]

On 2022-11-04 at 1:31 AM, Dreambiscuit said:

It figures that cursive would be excised from school curriculums. It's a bad idea to remove it so naturally that's what they're going to do. It’s useful and a faster way of writing than common printing. Considering some of the totally meaningless garbage that schools force-feed their students, it seems cursive should be low on the list of topics to remove. But such is the stupidity of modern schools. To think that some schools have instituted ‘Ebonics’ courses into their programs, yet remove legitimate teaching of real language is typically absurd. But I guess slang and degeneration of actual verbal meaning has little importance compared to posturing for the media or imparting skills that have actual use.  

Lets be clear here: the idea of a language being "real" and set in stone is superficial. In reality, languages are constantly evolving and "degenerating". Our current form of English would make people from the past scoff at us as not being the "real" form of English and being a degenerative form. Even with more standardization of the larger languages in the world with the inventions of writing, print press, etc., they are still constantly evolving. And the evolution of language is the very result of this "degeneration" that you talk about.

If you take a step back and look at the evolution of languages this is how it happens, and it is not something to scoff at, but instead, I think, something to be fascinated by. Ebonics is influencing modern English, as well. So it is relevant not just from a cultural learning standpoint but perhaps even for understanding modern English speaking/writing.

I encourage you and everyone else to look at language in such a less rigid way. That's necessary to understanding language.

[J.J 923]

1 hour ago, Envy said:

Lets be clear here: the idea of a language being "real" and set in stone is superficial. In reality, languages are constantly evolving and "degenerating". Our current form of English would make people from the past scoff at us as not being the "real" form of English and being a degenerative form. Even with more standardization of the larger languages in the world with the inventions of writing, print press, etc., they are still constantly evolving. And the evolution of language is the very result of this "degeneration" that you talk about.

If you take a step back and look at the evolution of languages this is how it happens, and it is not something to scoff at, but instead, I think, something to be fascinated by. Ebonics is influencing modern English, as well. So it is relevant not just from a cultural learning standpoint but perhaps even for understanding modern English speaking/writing.

I encourage you and everyone else to look at language in such a less rigid way. That's necessary to understanding language.

Yeah new words get added to the dictionary every year, my family plays a lot of Quiddler so I learn new words pretty often, but taking ebonics seriously, this coming from a "culture" of beings that used to clap and make clicking noises with their mouths and call it a "language" is pretty humorous to me, ebonics is not just a deviation of English, it's an unnecessary mispronunciation, when we know black people know how to say the word, "ask", it's like saying recognize my illiteracy and perversion of a language that you taught me as a language of my own... But I digress, in the future acronyms will probably end up being viable words

I'm not the biggest "English snob" in the world but teaching people improper English as part of a curriculum, would be like teaching students false history or improper math, but since those topics are "racist" it'll probably end up happening some day anyways, "hey kids don't be insensitive, 2+2 can be 33 it just depends on your culture!" xD 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by Spook Conundrum

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

I feel like cursive is a flowing form that is inherently more feminine and artistic. It is a strange choice to take it out.

[J.J 923]

32 minutes ago, Props ValRoa said:

Why is cursive needed?

I didn't see anywhere where he said it was "needed" but it's a lot more relevant and useful than forcing "affirmative action" on children (false history/exaggerated history, blame based economic history without proper context, teaching kids they inherently have to recognize self made plights that they don't)... 

You can usually tell if someone is gen.Z "did someone write something in cursive!?" *triggered* xD it's just more comfortable for a lot of individuals, if you get a letter from your grandma it's probably gonna be in cursive, but now since this world has gone completely digital, it's losing its relevance... Hell I'm only 28 but I didn't have my first phone till I was 17, when I was in school, you would get in trouble for even visibly taking a glance at that shit, but now there are literal places in the west where teachers tell students to get out their phones for efficiency where lessons are had online and it's allowed for calculating in some places, abandoning cursive is just a sign that we are abandoning our heritage as Europeans 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by Spook Conundrum

[Envy 6,169]

4 hours ago, Spook Conundrum said:

But taking ebonics seriously, this coming from a "culture" of beings that used to clap and make clicking noises with their mouths and call it a "language" is pretty humorous to me,

It is a form of communication, and it is a language by definition. Your personal feelings on the matter do not change the facts.

4 hours ago, Spook Conundrum said:

ebonics is not just a deviation of English, it's an unnecessary mispronunciation, when we know black people know how to say the word, "ask", it's like saying recognize my illiteracy and perversion of a language that you taught me as a language of my own... But I digress, in the future acronyms will probably end up being viable words

Is it intentional? You're going to need to prove that to me. From what I understand it was just a natural evolution from the mixture of African Americans with white Americans during a time when African Americans were hardly taught any standardized English because they were very barbarically considered less than human. They had to pick it up indirectly and it mixed in with their native languages (and whatever forms those were taking down the line).

The history of the English language is one of a lot of mixes. Old English was an outgrowth of early Germanic. By the time it got to even the late middle ages, it had mixed heavily with Norse and French. All of this happened purely because of the mixing of these cultures in England after numerous invasions. English isn't a "pure" language if such a thing could even exist. This is how languages form and evolve. Why do we have to be so uptight about English taking other forms?

I can not emphasize enough how throughout all of the years of language development people have been complaining about the younger generations or other people using their language "improperly". It has always been this way. It always will be. Language is cultural, not a concrete constant.

4 hours ago, Spook Conundrum said:

I'm not the biggest "English snob" in the world but teaching people improper English as part of a curriculum, would be like teaching students false history or improper math, but since those topics are "racist" it'll probably end up happening some day anyways, "hey kids don't be insensitive, 2+2 can be 33 it just depends on your culture!" xD 

We're not talking about a concrete matter like mathematics here. There is no concrete version of any language. Languages are 100% dependent on the group of humans communicating with each other. Languages are cultural. Comparing them to an universal principle such as mathematics is utterly absurd.

[J.J 923]

23 minutes ago, Envy said:

It is a form of communication, and it is a language by definition. Your personal feelings on the matter do not change the facts.

Is it intentional? You're going to need to prove that to me. From what I understand it was just a natural evolution from the mixture of African Americans with white Americans during a time when African Americans were hardly taught any standardized English because they were very barbarically considered less than human. They had to pick it up indirectly and it mixed in with their native languages (and whatever forms those were taking down the line).

The history of the English language is one of a lot of mixes. Old English was an outgrowth of early Germanic. By the time it got to even the late middle ages, it had mixed heavily with Norse and French. All of this happened purely because of the mixing of these cultures in England after numerous invasions. English isn't a "pure" language if such a thing could even exist. This is how languages form and evolve. Why do we have to be so uptight about English taking other forms?

I can not emphasize enough how throughout all of the years of language development people have been complaining about the younger generations or other people using their language "improperly". It has always been this way. It always will be. Language is cultural, not a concrete constant.

We're not talking about a concrete matter like mathematics here. There is no concrete version of any language. Languages are 100% dependent on the group of humans communicating with each other. Languages are cultural. Comparing them to an universal principle such as mathematics is utterly absurd.

Before I entertain this with the whirlwind argument your about to receive you do realize it's the 21st century and you're referring to a fusion of languages made from the transition of black people into the modern society and their ability to communicate within it, trying to force white people to learn ebonics is absurd when like I said, it's the 21st century we should be improving the illiteracy of black people, not trying to be culturally sensitive to illiterates... How about you take the time you want to use forcing white people to be "culturally appropriate" and actually help black people learn English? Idk if these classes are mandatory, but at least teaching a language like Spanish is culturally appropriate AND USEFUL, learning how to talk dumber bc dumb people can't adapt to a language that's been shoved in their face for almost 200 years is almost hilarious honestly....

Yeah I suppose your right about math, almost as absurd as suggesting it's racist because some people can't comprehend it, but if they can't comprehend common English I guess we're expecting to much in basic math... 

 Edit: And yes I would suspect it is, growing up I had the displeasure of engaging socially with these individuals and my lack of cultural sensitivity caused me to correct one using the word, "axe", and he could CLEARLY say ask, when ASKED to. I'm not going to present you with every instance of a black person using the word gonna or going to, because this post would be oversaturated, but the pseudo "word" "finna" needs a redline underneath it in this paragraph for sure....

Edited November 6, 2022 by Spook Conundrum

[Envy 6,169]

15 minutes ago, Spook Conundrum said:

Before I entertain this with the whirlwind argument your about to receive you do realize it's the 21st century and you're referring to a fusion of languages made from the transition of black people into the modern society and their ability to communicate within it, trying to force white people to learn ebonics is absurd when like I said, it's the 21st century we should be improving the illiteracy of black people, not trying to be culturally sensitive to illiterates... How about you take the time you want to use forcing white people to be "culturally appropriate" and actually help black people learn English? Idk if these classes are mandatory, but at least teaching a language like Spanish is culturally appropriate AND USEFUL, learning how to talk dumber bc dumb people can't adapt to a language that's been shoved in their face for almost 200 years is almost hilarious honestly....

I think I haven't been clear enough here. What I mean here is that Ebonics isn't a fake, degraded English language, just that it is a language that developed under certain circumstances like many others and deserves research and even some coverage in schools. At least an understanding of how the language came to be and its intermingling with what we consider "standard" English.

I'm not trying to force white people to appropriate or keep people of color from learning what we consider standard English, I just want Ebonics to be understood for what it is, because clearly there is a heck of a lot of ignorance on this subject matter.

[J.J 923]

32 minutes ago, Envy said:

 I just want Ebonics to be understood for what it is, because clearly there is a heck of a lot of ignorance on this subject matter.

I'm not trying to sound "close minded" my experiences belong to me as do everyone else's, but I really could give two shits "what Ebonics is" how it came to be or why others use it, it's not culturally relevant to me or the entire modern world outside of a select population of black people in America IN SPECIFIC, (idk if they're still clapping their hands in Africa and I don't really care, but one would think not after all the money we've wasted building schools for them...) We don't need to know what it is, to me your statement mildly contradicts itself in you saying "you want Ebonics to be understood for what it is" while also saying "you don't want to culturally appropriate"... If we're going to have to "understand black history" (what history? they basically have no history or culture except copying inventions or ideas that were already proposed by white men decades and in some cases a century before them trying to pass it off as an original idea). But anyways like I said, if we're going to have to learn why black people have ebonics, I think we make it mandatory to learn the real reasons why they are in economic shambles while we're at it, people want to talk "black history" just as long as it's before the introduction of crack, they're history is mostly spent making trips to the local liquor store for malt liquor with taxpayer money or money they made selling crack or heroin to white kids... 

Edit: and maybe if they were able to develop linguistic skills past "ebonics" more employers would be enticed to hire them, but most employers don't want to hire illiterate high school drop outs with no work history and a criminal record...

Edited November 6, 2022 by Spook Conundrum