What happened to Nightmare Moon?

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Alright, let's talk about Luna's dark side. We've know that Luna's alter ego, Nightmare Moon was the series first antagonist to be introduced and reformed by the mane 6. I've wonder if Luna switches back to NMM, will she still partake on an evil persona or not?

 

It could be where in dire situations Luna transforms into NMM but now can defeat it's evil presence to unlock another tier of magic, just like the rainbow powered mane 6.

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The comics answer this in the Nightmare forces actually being a complete seperate entity from Luna. Latest in the timeline has Nightmare forces losing possession of Rarity and getting blasted by the elements of harmony for it.

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I bet she will be like Eren Yaeger from AOT, she will lose control!

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The comics answer this in the Nightmare forces actually being a complete seperate entity from Luna. Latest in the timeline has Nightmare forces losing possession of Rarity and getting blasted by the elements of harmony for it.

Read this one, was going "Not Rarity!"

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The comics answer this in the Nightmare forces actually being a complete seperate entity from Luna. Latest in the timeline has Nightmare forces losing possession of Rarity and getting blasted by the elements of harmony for it.

I can see the where the comics explain this, but how cannon are the comics?

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I can see the where the comics explain this, but how cannon are the comics?

Just going to drop in to answer this:

 

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She has been very unstable in previous episodes, which I can understand. She still holds herself responsible so it could well be a possibility that she makes another appearance!

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Depends on what those dark forces do and if she allows them to take hold again. I feel like, while she still has many weaknesses, she wouldn't let them control her this time. I feel like Nightmare Moon is long gone at this point. 

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She has been very unstable in previous episodes, which I can understand. She still holds herself responsible so it could well be a possibility that she makes another appearance!

 

 

That can very be, but she forgave herself already in Do Princesses dream of magic sheep.

 

 

Depends on what those dark forces do and if she allows them to take hold again. I feel like, while she still has many weaknesses, she wouldn't let them control her this time. I feel like Nightmare Moon is long gone at this point.

 

What happens if Luna uses NMM for good instead of evil?

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I am pretty sure that the elements of harmony destroyed anything that remained of Nightmare Moon out of Princess Luna.

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That can very be, but she forgave herself already in Do Princesses dream of magic sheep.

 

 

What happens if Luna uses NMM for good instead of evil?

That would be cool if she could do that but I just don't think she can. By the time Nightmare Moon manifests, I think at that point, that dark corruption has taken over and is calling the shots. 

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I was thinking about the Tantabus that luna created. I think that is true that NMM is gone but what about the Tentabus. Can be a reamnent of NMM? Clearly after Luna's victory in defeating the Tantabus,she didn't destroy it but rather hide it's presence. Can the Tantabus can somehow become like a catalyst for NMM?

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People need to stop using the comics to explain things that happen in the show, because there are numerous cases where what happens in the show contradicts the comics and vice versa.  Because of this, the comics have to be treated as a separate entity from the show, regardless of what anyone says.  To do otherwise, is to ignore facts that we have seen in the show itself.  Irrespective of what Hasbro supposedly said or didn't say (it's still in doubt, because things that staff members have said before have, kind of frequently, been contradicted by other staff members), what has happened in the show clearly differs from what happens in the comics.

 

Not to mention, even putting the above aside, the idea of NMM being a separate being is impossible, since the show established in Nightmare Night that Luna can turn into NMM at will.  That's direct evidence in the show that NMM can't be a separate entity from Luna.  Were she a separate entity, Luna wouldn't have control over that form at all.  She certainly wouldn't be able to turn into NMM at will.

 

So if they aren't separate beings, then the logical explanation is they are one in the same.  Luna has what is known as Dissociative Identity Disorder, or to put it in simpler terms, multiple personalities.  We've seen two of these, the Luna we currently know, and Nightmare Moon.  To put it another way, NMM could be seen as the Id, and Luna's normal persona that we usually see would be either the ego or super-ego.

 

Now, I'm not saying that an entity that can manifest a stronger version of this persona doesn't exist.  But the persona itself (NMM) is part of her, and always has been part of her (and probably always WILL BE part of her, whether she likes it or not).  The true strength from the character comes when she can accept this.  The fact that she still shows instances of instability indicates that she is still struggling with this.

 

 

So to answer the topic question, Nightmare Moon never really went away.  She's been part of Luna the whole time, and will continue to be part of Luna, probably forever.

Edited March 15, 2016 by SBaby

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Alright, let's talk about Luna's dark side. We've know that Luna's alter ego, Nightmare Moon was the series first antagonist to be introduced and reformed by the mane 6. I've wonder if Luna switches back to NMM, will she still partake on an evil persona or not?

 

It could be where in dire situations Luna transforms into NMM but now can defeat it's evil presence to unlock another tier of magic, just like the rainbow powered mane 6.

 

If you're going by the comics: It turned into another entity and possessed rarity before being destroyed completely.

 

If you disregard the comics, She just had her darkness destroyed in the first episode and that was that.

 

 

 

Read this one, was going "Not Rarity!"

Yeah. It reminds me somewhat of how certain fantasy settings deal with Vampires and other beings, saying that its NOT that person but just an evil spirit with all of their memories. (Like order of the sticks view of them).

Nightmarity certain HAD rarity's mental quirks and memories (Being vain and even being confused somewhat itself on her and rarity's relationship) but was definitely NOT her since it was explicitly holding her hostage.

 

 

Not really a fan of the comic's View of nightmare forms, it takes out alot of the appeal of evil forms if its NOT that character, yeah? That's kind of the whole point of a person turning evil is to see them if they weren't constrained by their morality.

Kind of why I liked Inspirarity better, she was still very clearly rarity but also clearly insane.

 Luna can turn into NMM at will. 

 

Taking the form of someone =/= turning into them. Luna shapeshifting into what her nightmare moon form looks like doesn't mean she outright turned into her nightmare moon persona: Its like how in D&D and other magical settings you can shapeshift into the form of a wizard, but that doesn't mean you've suddenly gained all the abilities of that person or turned into them, yeah?

 

 

As such, when she shapeshifts into that form I don't think that's really a "true" transformation as much as an illusion.

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Taking the form of someone =/= turning into them. Luna shapeshifting into what her nightmare moon form looks like doesn't mean she outright turned into her nightmare moon persona: Its like how in D&D and other magical settings you can shapeshift into the form of a wizard, but that doesn't mean you've suddenly gained all the abilities of that person or turned into them, yeah?

 

 

I wouldn't call it an 'illusion'.  But you're probably right in that she didn't fully transform.  Likely, she can't control the persona fully, so it was more of a partial transformation, which is why she had the fake fangs.  Same thing with the powers.  They're there, but she probably can't fully control them yet (or couldn't at that time), so she didn't fully manifest them.

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since the show established in Nightmare Night that Luna can turn into NMM at will.

I don't recall that happening. I would like this explained.