spoiler Civil War: Avengers should have quit protecting humanity.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

I didn't like Civil War that much, it isn't worse than Guardians of the Galaxy or Age of Ultron. Civil War at least had different action scenes, the big gigantic video game set pieces were replaced with some impressive stunt work and hand to hand fights. So this movie has some good things about it, the plot just made me angry. 

 

Humanity is upset with their saviors.... Because they expect no one to get hurt... Oh WAAAAAA cry me a river you ungrateful people. I was mad when Ross gavee his BS speech about "people imposing their authority onto others with excessive power." I laughed during that scene... Because the US military has NEVER done that hundreds of times in the real world. You can't even fend off an alien invasion and you're going to piss off your only real defenses?(super heroes) 

 

If I were Iron Man or Captain America, I would have told these people "ok you don't want us? Have fun fighting gods and aliens." 

Edited May 7, 2016 by TheMarkz0ne

[El Duderino 881]

I didn't like Civil War that much, it isn't worse than Guardians of the Galaxy or Age of Ultron. Civil War at least had different action scenes, the big gigantic video game set pieces were replaced with some impressive stunt work and hand to hand fights. So this movie has some good things about it, the plot just made me angry. 

 

Humanity is upset with their saviors.... Because they expect no one to get hurt... Oh WAAAAAA cry me a river you ungrateful people. I was mad when Ross gavee his BS speech about "people imposing their authority onto others with excessive power." I laughed during that scene... Because the US military has NEVER done that hundreds of times in the real world. You can't even fend of an alien invasion and you're going to piss off your only real defenses?(super heroes) 

 

If I were Iron Man or Captain America, I would have told these people "ok you don't want us? Have fun fighting gods and aliens." 

Huh, I really liked Civil War. I agree that if I were in that situation I would be like "Whatever, If you don't need me then I won't help" but I thought the movie was awesome. I liked how they introduced Spiderman and how they brought in Ant Man. I thought the final confrontation between Captain America, Bucky, and Iron Man was well done. Being a superhero movie, you can't expect it to be the most realistic in how politics and governments work.

 

You didn't like Guardians? That's the marvel movie that most folks seem to agree was good. My favorite other than Deadpool. 

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Huh, I really liked Civil War. I agree that if I were in that situation I would be like "Whatever, If you don't need me then I won't help" but I thought the movie was awesome. I liked how they introduced Spiderman and how they brought in Ant Man. I thought the final confrontation between Captain America, Bucky, and Iron Man was well done. Being a superhero movie, you can't expect it to be the most realistic in how politics and governments work.

 

You didn't like Guardians? That's the marvel movie that most folks seem to agree was good. My favorite other than Deadpool. 

Marvel  movies I will watch countless times 

 

Iron Man 

First Avenger 

Winter Soldier 

Spiderman 2

 

 

I don't want to be too harsh, but most of the Marvel movies are garbage in my eyes. I do think there are caring people involved in making these movies. Chris Evans is my favorite actor in these movies, aside from Downey Jr he is the only one to care about his performance and he doesn't get paid as much as the rest. 

 

I almost consider Iron Man 1 to rival Spiderman 2. I felt before this MCU stuff began, these super hero movies focused on being better MOVIES first, instead of making a giant commercial universe. 

Edited May 7, 2016 by TheMarkz0ne

[LHfunk 422]

I thought it was great but the thing about them being mad at the destruction makes sense. They may have saved millions of lives, but they still killed people, and they didn't seem to really care. People were upset, and so a fight broke out. Plus, the Avengers didn't WANT to leave these people to themselves. They wanted to help, and a fight started happening because they couldn't agree on how. And come on, Guardians was great. It wasn't the normal superhero gets powers and starts fighting evil. It was just some criminals that started working together the save people. Plus, Chris Pratt, so...

[Guest]

 

 

Humanity is upset with their saviors.... Because they expect no one to get hurt... Oh WAAAAAA cry me a river you ungrateful people.

 

 

I'm sorry but that's not an unrealistic expectation. People don't praise the police if they blow up an entire building to kill a few bad guys either. Human beings are ALWAYS like this, even in real life. Plus in real life could you REALLY feel great about Ironman kicking some super baddie's ass if Ironman dropped a building on your son? Probably not. Emotion in real and it causes people to behave in a certain way.

 

I think that plot point makes perfect sense. Not to mention if you watched the movie, AS VISION POINTS OUT: super villains APPEARED to challenge the heroes ever since they made themselves known. In the 8 years since Tony Stark became Ironman, crime and super villains has risen. On top of that, fucking Age of Ultron was ENTIRELY Ironman's fault. So yes, it's VERY believable that there are people who think the Avengers need to be kept in check. People are not even asking them NOT to save the world, but they are asking for them to be used as a last resort and have rules they have to follow because it's proven they are too destructive without them.

 

It all makes perfect logical sense. Would you want a giant dude in a metal suit who can crush buildings with his bare hands to be allowed go around and act above the law whenever he saw fit? No. The Avengers as much as we love them, have caused billions of dollars in damage. Billions that SOMEONE has to pay for, and it 9/10 isn't them.

 

 

 

I was mad when Ross gavee his BS speech about "people imposing their authority onto others with excessive power." I laughed during that scene... Because the US military has NEVER done that hundreds of times in the real world.

 

Actually that scene was meant to be referencing that... He is REFERENCING how the US Imposes their authority onto the world and this is no different...

 

 

 

You can't even fend off an alien invasion and you're going to piss off your only real defenses?(super heroes) 

 

Again: that was NOT the point of the Accords. The Accords did not FORBID the Avengers from existing or using their powers, it just mandated WHEN they could use their powers and who was in charge of sending them out. The idea is: you don't send a nuke to a problem before you've tried anything else first. In the event of like something as big as an alien invasion where conventional means are not enough, I'm sure they would give the go-ahead to use the Avengers. The idea is that they were to be reserved as a LAST resort.

 

It kind of makes sense. We have weapons in real life that are a last resort due to their destructive power.

 

 

 

If I were Iron Man or Captain America, I would have told these people "ok you don't want us? Have fun fighting gods and aliens." 

 

You wouldn't be a very great hero then.

 

The reason why they didn't do shit like that is because they UNDERSTOOD that people were scared. They were not going to insult them or treat them like crap for being scared because they understood they had good reason to be afraid. Ironman wanted to make it work because he wanted to continue helping people, but he also wanted to show people that the Avengers were on their side and there was nothing to be afraid of.

 

Captain America didn't want people to be frightened, just he could not agree to the Accords because he believes sometimes they will need to make a decision that the UN won't.

 

Honestly I don't know how you had an issue with any of this plot because it all makes perfectly logical sense and is extremely believable. 

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

 

 

I'm sorry but that's not an unrealistic expectation. People don't praise the police if they blow up an entire building to kill a few bad guys either. Human beings are ALWAYS like this, even in real life. Plus in real life could you REALLY feel great about Ironman kicking some super baddie's ass if Ironman dropped a building on your son? Probably not. Emotion in real and it causes people to behave in a certain way.

 

I think that plot point makes perfect sense. Not to mention if you watched the movie, AS VISION POINTS OUT: super villains APPEARED to challenge the heroes ever since they made themselves known. In the 8 years since Tony Stark became Ironman, crime and super villains has risen. On top of that, fucking Age of Ultron was ENTIRELY Ironman's fault. So yes, it's VERY believable that there are people who think the Avengers need to be kept in check. People are not even asking them NOT to save the world, but they are asking for them to be used as a last resort and have rules they have to follow because it's proven they are too destructive without them.

 

It all makes perfect logical sense. Would you want a giant dude in a metal suit who can crush buildings with his bare hands to be allowed go around and act above the law whenever he saw fit? No. The Avengers as much as we love them, have caused billions of dollars in damage. Billions that SOMEONE has to pay for, and it 9/10 isn't them.

 

 

 

 

Actually that scene was meant to be referencing that... He is REFERENCING how the US Imposes their authority onto the world and this is no different...

 

 

 

 

Again: that was NOT the point of the Accords. The Accords did not FORBID the Avengers from existing or using their powers, it just mandated WHEN they could use their powers and who was in charge of sending them out. The idea is: you don't send a nuke to a problem before you've tried anything else first. In the event of like something as big as an alien invasion where conventional means are not enough, I'm sure they would give the go-ahead to use the Avengers. The idea is that they were to be reserved as a LAST resort.

 

It kind of makes sense. We have weapons in real life that are a last resort due to their destructive power.

 

 

 

 

You wouldn't be a very great hero then.

 

The reason why they didn't do shit like that is because they UNDERSTOOD that people were scared. They were not going to insult them or treat them like crap for being scared because they understood they had good reason to be afraid. Ironman wanted to make it work because he wanted to continue helping people, but he also wanted to show people that the Avengers were on their side and there was nothing to be afraid of.

 

Captain America didn't want people to be frightened, just he could not agree to the Accords because he believes sometimes they will need to make a decision that the UN won't.

 

Honestly I don't know how you had an issue with any of this plot because it all makes perfectly logical sense and is extremely believable. 

 

What's funny is that everyone praises this movie, yet Batman v Superman had the same problem. Superman, is a symbol of hope and will do anything to protect humanity no matter what. I am smart, and I know what these movies are doing psychologically, and given how TWO movies have done this, we can rule out coincidence. 

 

These two movies are propaganda for authority. Authority doesn't exist. The only authority that does exist, is your ability to control yourself and make wise choices for the benefits of other people, as an individual. I felt bad for Tony and Steve in the movie, being jerked around. The movies basically were about hypocrites(humanity) complaining, that the heroes weren't good enough. I guess stopping Ultron from nearly killing all of humanity wasn't good enough. Some damage in Zokovia  and all the lives saved off the floating land mass? Not good enough. That's what these two movies were..... Humanity moaning and groaning.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

 

 

Humanity is upset with their saviors.... Because they expect no one to get hurt... Oh WAAAAAA cry me a river you ungrateful people... If I were Iron Man or Captain America, I would have told these people "ok you don't want us? Have fun fighting gods and aliens." 

 

 

I think you are missing the point of Super heroes there bud. 

 

Super heroes are rarely ever praised for what they do, especially in the marvel verse. They are feared, mistrusted, hated, and smeared in the eyes of the people almost on a daily basis in the comics. If doing it for the reverence of the people is your sole purpose then you are going to be disappointed. 

 

Super heroes don't do what they do because they get praise from the public. They do what they do because it needs to be done, even if it means going against a government ruling to do it. 

[Guest]

 

 

What's funny is that everyone praises this movie, yet Batman v Superman had the same problem. Superman, is a symbol of hope and will do anything to protect humanity no matter what. I am smart, and I know what these movies are doing psychologically, and given how TWO movies have done this, we can rule out coincidence. 

 

 

"I am smart" sort of comes off as "I am smarter than the fans".

 

Anyways, the reason why Batman V Superman didn't work though were many different reasons, not because of the premise.

 

 

 

These two movies are propaganda for authority. Authority doesn't exist. The only authority that does exist, is your ability to control yourself and make wise choices for the benefits of other people, as an individual. I felt bad for Tony and Steve in the movie, being jerked around. The movies basically were about hypocrites(humanity) complaining, that the heroes weren't good enough. I guess stopping Ultron from nearly killing all of humanity wasn't good enough. Some damage in Zokovia  and all the lives saved off the floating land mass? Not good enough. That's what these two movies were..... Humanity moaning and groaning.

 

Not true at all.

 

Have you forgotten: Ironman INVENTED ULTRON. If he didn't do that, there wouldn't have been all that damage, there wouldn't have been all that destruction. As was pointed out in the film: in the 8 years since Tony Stark revealed he was Ironman, the amount of super villains appearing skyrocketed. So the Avengers really weren't "saving" that many people considering they caused them to need to be saved in the first place. THAT is the problem, not people being ungrateful, it's people not liking the idea that the fate of the world is in the hands of a bunch of guys who don't answer to ANY laws, don't care what kind of damage they cause and don't even help fix the damage caused by them, and the same people are responsible for many of the super villains appearing in the first place. 

[Jon the VGNerd 894]

If Deadpool was in Civil War, that'd be a huge game changer. Just saying is all.