Could Celestia and Luna one day lose their status as Princess?

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

I always wonder if its possible that someone within the royal family(Or someone with political strength) was capable of convincing Equestria to give up Celestia and Luna as their royal rulers and to have this someone become the new ruler of Equestria.  Perhaps this pony pulls it off by downplaying Celestia and Luna's strengths, by blaming the various events on their inability to protect its citizens(Ex: Discord escaping from his stone prison, Queen Chrysalis' invasion of Canterlot, Lord Tirek's escape from Tatarus, Starlight Glimmer's Village and Time Travel), showing how weak they are and this usurper claiming that he can fix up Equestria's problems.

 

As a result of losing their status as princesses to the usurper, Celestia and Luna are forced to go into hiding, leaving Twilight Sparkle and her friends without one of their most important allies(Maybe also resulting in Crystal Empire breaking off from Equestria).  And because of their previous crimes, Starlight Glimmer(Despite the events of the upcoming Season Finale) and Discord could be considered wanted criminals, forcing Twilight to keep them under protection.

 

How would you feel if Hasbro went into this direction with My Little Pony, by shaking up the governing system and having someone with a mean streak(and an ego to match) rule Equestria?(Ex: Prince Blueblood?)

[Number62 1,247]

I always wonder if its possible that someone within the royal family(Or someone with political strength) was capable of convincing Equestria to give up Celestia and Luna as their royal rulers and to have this someone become the new ruler of Equestria.  Perhaps this pony pulls it off by downplaying Celestia and Luna's strengths, by blaming the various events on their inability to protect its citizens(Ex: Discord escaping from his stone prison, Queen Chrysalis' invasion of Canterlot, Lord Tirek's escape from Tatarus, Starlight Glimmer's Village and Time Travel), showing how weak they are and this usurper claiming that he can fix up Equestria's problems.

I wouldn't be surprised if this could happen considering the sisters' role in the 2-parter. However, there's a very high chance of fans, particularly Luna fans, crying foul if Luna got this treatment. This could possibly give them something to do, but I don't have enough faith in the creative team to make this even a little entertaining. Personally, I'm against this story idea because seeing them being useless yet again has gotten old, and a story like this could've been made a long time ago. When Celestia was publicly humiliated by Chrysalis, a story could've been told about how she felt about the events that happened during Cadance's wedding.

 

Before this story could become possible, the staff would need to remember that the alicorn sisters exist, so I don't think a story like this will ultimately happen. The only way I can see them remembering the 2 ponies for any episode is if some lowly copy boy mentions them, then they get minor and inconsequential roles in some 2-parter opening. Then they are forgotten for the rest of the season before another lowly copy boy mentions the alicorns, who are stuffed into the finale with some barely noticeable cameo. "Copy boy" probably isn't the right term since the show isn't in the print media, so "coffee boy" might be the more fitting term, but the idea still holds.

 

As for Cadance, she'll definitely be forgotten. Flurry Heart will either be an important character or a disposable one. Twilight will definitely be essential to the fate of Equestria because there's no reason to stop making her (one of) the most important ponies of all time given the previous stories.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Number62

[Justin_Case001 4,855]

Yeah, so speaking in terms of what's realistically going on with the show, there's no way any major story with the sisters will happen, because they've been forgotten.  Speculating about lore and so forth, I tend to doubt that their positions would be usurped, and I don't think I'd really be in favor of this idea.  Well, I think it could work if it was just done in a two-parter format, like when Picard gave up command of the Enterprise in Chain of Command.  Basically, I'd want the sisters back as princesses by the end of the second half.  But I've always imagined that they'd relinquish their reign willingly when they get too old, and pass the crowns to capable replacements.  (Maybe they'll flashy-thing themselves while they're at it.  Everypony else has forgotten about them, why not forget about themselves, too?)

Edited October 6, 2016 by Justin_Case001

[Number62 1,247]

But I've always imagined that they'd relinquish their reign willingly when they get to old, and pass the crowns to capable replacements.  (Maybe they'll flashy-thing themselves while they're at it.  Everypony else has forgotten about them, why not forget about themselves, too?)

I wanna brohoof this statement again because it makes too much sense. There's no word on the history of alicorns or the existence of other alicorns, past or present. It only makes sense that they were all flashy-thinged and left history and existence forever, either doing it to themselves or done by some other beings, known or not.

[KatonRyu 1,026]

In my headcanon, they will abdicate their position once their replacement has ascended into becoming an alicorn. For instance, I believe that Sunset was originally going to be Celestia's replacement, but because Celestia showed Sunset the mirror she played into Sunset's greed and her destiny was changed.

 

Until they find a suitable replacement they'll probably remain in power. It's not like anyone in Equestria could fight them anyway...in theory.

[cmarston1 5,951]

With how Celestia has been treated, this wouldn't surprise me.

[pony.colin 156]

But I've always imagined that they'd relinquish their reign willingly when they get to old, and pass the crowns to capable replacements

 

Is that what Twilight is supposedly being groomed for? Or has that theory just fallen in the backside of things?

 

I'm not sure at this point if the very thought of trying to find an heir to the alicorn monarchy has entered Celestia and Luna's thoughts. Celestia has been doing it for thousands of years and with the return of her sister Luna, there isn't really anything stopping them from going until the end of time (because as far as I can tell, they're still immortal).  They could though at any point try to find an heir if the wanted to, but somehow the heir would have to get immortality. (and I don't think Twilight's getting that). So Celestia might never get rid of her day job.

 

The OP would make for a nice fan-fiction. But I agree with others, I don't see it realistically being pulled of by the show (I'd be amazed to see if they even tried to remotely pull off something like a revolution on that caliber in this plot).

Edited October 6, 2016 by pony.colin

[silvadel 1,393]

This reminds me of a quote from Thanks for all the Ponies..

 

Democracy had never really been considered as a political practice in Equestria. Celestia was basically a benevolent ruler, and she was certainly willing to be guided by other ponies, But at the end of the day, any elected official would have to be able to demonstrate the power to raise the sun and moon every day, and keep life on the planet from ending forever. This is a fairly effective barrier to any candidate, as nopony, regardless of political belief, is going to consider the “Let Everything on the Planet Die” Party.

[pony.colin 156]

This reminds me of a quote from Thanks for all the Ponies..

 

Democracy had never really been considered as a political practice in Equestria. Celestia was basically a benevolent ruler, and she was certainly willing to be guided by other ponies, But at the end of the day, any elected official would have to be able to demonstrate the power to raise the sun and moon every day, and keep life on the planet from ending forever. This is a fairly effective barrier to any candidate, as nopony, regardless of political belief, is going to consider the “Let Everything on the Planet Die” Party.

 

Actually going back to Hearth's Warming Eve, in that episode, when telling the history of Equestria it is specifically mentioned that the unicorn tribe was specifically responsible for raising the Sun and Moon. So high level magical unicorns were actually tasked with the job previously, before Celestia and Luna at some point took over. Whenever that was is unknown (or at least I don't know anything else beyond that). So in theory several capable high level magical unicorns could try to form an effective party for bid for leadership.

[Justin_Case001 4,855]

Actually going back to Hearth's Warming Eve, in that episode, when telling the history of Equestria it is specifically mentioned that the unicorn tribe was specifically responsible for raising the Sun and Moon. So high level magical unicorns were actually tasked with the job previously, before Celestia and Luna at some point took over. Whenever that was is unknown (or at least I don't know anything else beyond that).

Yeah, so Starswirl and a council of unicorns handled the sun and moon before the Sisters.  The unicorn council actually continued this job for awhile after the Sisters were appointed (by Starswirl) as princesses and guardians of Equestria.  The Sisters eventually took over the job, but....uh, yeah, the point is that the sun and moon jobs can be done by any sufficiently strong magic users, and is not something that has to be tied to the job of ruler/guardian of Equestria.

 

 

Is that what Twilight is supposedly being groomed for?

Well, that's what I always imagined.

 

 

There's no word on the history of alicorns or the existence of other alicorns, past or present.

Actually, the Journal of the Two Sisters contains a line which is oft overlooked, and is in my opinion perhaps the single most important piece of information in the FIM universe.  Luna says, "The alicorns thought it [the royal Canterlot voice] was an important part of out education."  There were others, and from the sound of it, many others, enough for there to be a council or something similar to a board of education.  This raises so many questions.  Where did the others go?  Why are there so few left?  I think it's a Children of Men type thing, where they stopped being naturally born.  The Sisters were probably the last natural born alicorns until the little sh*tling.  But that just raises even more questions.  I wish we could get a definitive history of alicorns book.

[Number62 1,247]

Actually, the Journal of the Two Sisters contains a line which is oft overlooked, and is in my opinion perhaps the single most important piece of information in the FIM universe.  Luna says, "The alicorns thought it [the royal Canterlot voice] was an important part of out education."  There were others, and from the sound of it, many others, enough for there to be a council or something similar to a board of education.  This raises so many questions.  Where did the others go?  Why are there so few left?  I think it's a Children of Men type thing, where they stopped being naturally born.  The Sisters were probably the last natural born alicorns until the little sh*tling.  But that just raises even more questions.  I wish we could get a definitive history of alicorns book.

The show has yet to reference the contents of the journal. And as you said, more questions were raised with none of them being answered. There was definitely a chance to expand on alicorns when Twilight became one and with Flurry Heart being born, but the show naturally avoids such an interesting route.