spoiler Twilight & Tempest's horns

[PiratePony 8,484]

This is regarding to new movie; thar be spoilers ahead. Yar.

 

Okay, so there was one issue that I had with the movie above all others. The big reveal of how Tempest lost her horn. Some random bear rips it off. Oooh ahhh. Now she's evil.

Now, I wonder if that was the original idea, as I feel what was in my head was probably what they had originally gone for and changed it once upon a time. 

When Twilight Sparkle got nasty at Pinkamena Diane Pie, crushing the poor pink pony's heart, there was a random spark of electricity/magic around Twilight's horn. At this point, I thought to myself: "that's how it happened! That's how Tempest lost her horn." You see, at that point the Princess of Friendship herself turned against the ideals of friendship themselves and lashed out at her best friends, stating that she would be better off without them.

The magic of her horn reacted in a negative way causing a rift in the horn itself.

Do you think, as I do, that maybe the original intent of the script was going to be that Tempest lost her horn through betraying friendships and lashing out at friends which caused a negative magical reaction in her horn, causing it to be destroyed? If so, do you think that Twilight was going to start going down that path? With the "open up your eyes song"I could have seen the movie go down that road where Twilight Sparkle starts to join the bad guys, and we see her horn start to crack under the influence of the betrayal of friendship. Then rather than just Tempest's reformation, we would have to see Princess Twilight Sparkle's reformation.

Do you think any of this was what they may have originally gone for? Did you think this yourself when you saw the magic sparkles on Sparkle's horn?

 

Would it have made the third act of the film better, rather than the epic origin story being just some bear?

 

 

Thoughts?

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,865]

While I do think the reason for her losing her horn was fairly disappointing, I am not sure if I like the idea of some kind of 'negative' magic causing it. That would be such a weird defect for Unicorns to have. Too much negativity combined with the magic causing horn destruction would be harsh. Especially since a pony might have some really rough times in life. 

Perhaps Tempest could have fought with a friend because of her lashing out, which caused the destruction of her horn. That would have been better.

[Guest]

I was disappointed

that she ended up not having her horn restored

I think it would've made for a better resolution to her arc.

[Hazard Time 1,127]

14 minutes ago, Twilight Kyle said:

I was disappointed

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that she ended up not having her horn restored

I think it would've made for a better resolution to her arc.

I disagree.  It would have sent the wrong message.  I feel that it was much better for her to keep her scars because it reflected how she had accepted her past mistakes and moved on.  If Twilight had fixed her horn, not only would it have cheapened the sheer amount of desperation that Tempest had for growing her horn back, but it would have linked her evil nature to her scars, effectively saying "Being disabled made her evil".

[Ganondox 899]

Ursa Minor was a bit weird of the choice, but the key point is Tempest became disabled for *doing nothing wrong*. In fact, she was injured trying to help her friends, she did the *right thing*, and ended up the worse for it. The point is that Tempest wasn't abused because she was evil, but became evil because she was abused. Of course she still made the choice to be evil and later made the choice to be good, but it was in response to a very real problem. 

Edited October 9, 2017 by Ganondox

[pegapony 193]

I think it was very well thought out. She was bullied as filly just because she was different.
And it was not even her fault at all, she just happened to be in the wrong place.
So if you want to help someone and it's going wrong, you'll spend your entire life devastated,
without anyone wanting to understand the reason.

And it's a lot of things like this that makes people cruel and unpredictable as adults.

I bet my boss lost his "horn" as a kid and have to make up for that today

 

[PastelBread 147]

I noticed that too about Twilight's horn acting the same as Tempest's when she lost her friends. 

I can see that negative energy could have been the reason Tempest went down a bad path, but then it would be super easy for it to happen to other unicorns/alicorns. Even in the series we see friendship problems all the time and if they all ended in negative magic the show would be a mess LOL.

[Guest]

I don't even know that it was meant to be profound at all since neither Tempest losing her horn or Twilight getting frustrated seemed to be related at all. Unless the movie gave a reason to believe Tempest lied about the way she lost her horn, I don't think there's a reason to take anything out of context. Twilight's horn crackling was just an unrelated effect of her anger, in my opinion.

Edited October 27, 2017 by Guest

[Magic_Spark 154]

The Ursa minor was the bear that broke her horn. Ursa Minor's are very powerful and most ponies cannot fight them. Twilight just put it to sleep and sent it back but she could not match its magic. 

The magic isn't just the horn either as she demonstrated the ability to do magic still. 

I think she was princess quality material. Had she had it good and didn't looser her horn she would have probably become as powerful or more so than twilight. 

The loss of the horn did not turn her evil. She wasn't really evil but rather desperate to get her horn back. Had she known she was being used I think she would have not helped the evil bad guy in the end. Ultimately she sacrificed herself to protect Twilight. 

Vanity was her curse. She desperately wanted to have friends and fit in but was shunned because of her disability and broken horn. (Very similar to a soldier loosing a limb and people treating him differently as a result). Twilight showed her that her horn isn't what makes her but her personality and willingness to make and be friends. The premise of the show is all about friendship and how powerful it is. Its more powerful than any magic.

[tazmy 23]

This post refers to the prequel book to help explain Tempest’s horn issues because it gives a lot more info in the book:

 

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I found the prequel book really helped me go into this understanding Tempest better and her motivations.  I hadn’t realized the movie made it sound like she’d been bullied maybe because I had the prequel book.  In the book she was so desperate to go to magic school and her friends got to go instead and left her behind.  They didn’t bully her but they did seem to mostly abandon her out of both fear and pity.  She had friends that had been so close and then they just left her behind.  I felt so bad for her when they showed up at her door and she thought her friends had come to finally play with her and go on an adventure but really they just came to let her know they were going to the one place she never could.

 

Even on her journey she had chances to be with others and make friends but her own insecurities prevented it.  She was so afraid of everything she was not anymore.

 

 

I still hold based on this that the main issue was Tempest didn’t believe she was enough.  Twilight didn’t believe she was enough either.  Twilight’s horn sparks because in her desperation she is losing control and this was an outward sign of that.  It seems to be two different and yet similar issues the two have with their horns.

[TBD 17,257]

Although i like your idea, I don't think negative energy is what would make the horn broke off. Otherwise Starlight   would already have her horn broke off in "Bottled up" episode xp. 

Beside it's not just because of the bear  Ursa minor broke her horn was the trigger to her motive. It was the fact that her friends left her behind because she is "too crippled" to play with. I don't mind having the Ursa minor being responsible for her broken horn, it's one of the of the unfortunate  accident led to tragic betrayal in the aftermath. And the self-recognition that her friends left her during her trouble time give her the idea that she doesn't need no one. I don't know how else they will have Tempest lose her horn, so I think you guys are overthinking things. 

Moreover, Tempest wasn't "evil" till she met The Storm King who offered her back to restore her horn and magic. Before she met him she was searching for a "cure" of her horn and magic without a thought of conquering equestria. Tempest being searching that for years. Storm King used her desperations and devotion to finding this "cure" to his advantage. While Tempest thought The storm king is "cure" she's been searching for. That was the trigger to her evildoing... to her she will do anything to get her magic back and show the equestria what she is made of.  While she thinks Equestria failed her, Storm king were the one to make her feel she still have a chance. 

On 10/8/2017 at 6:57 PM, Twilight Kyle said:

I was disappointed

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that she ended up not having her horn restored

I think it would've made for a better resolution to her arc.

Why? I'm glad they didn't because it shows that even without a horn, wings or four legs you are still a strong person inside despite of the missing limbs. Restoring her horn is basically  saying you can't be who you are when you're disable. Having her horn not being restore,  is saying being disabled doesn't define you and doesn't stop you from doing what you love. 

Edited October 30, 2017 by TBD

[tazmy 23]

2 hours ago, TBD said:

Although i like your idea, I don't think negative energy is what would make the horn broke off. Otherwise Starlight   would already have her horn broke off in "Bottled up" episode xp. 

Beside it's not just because of the bear  Ursa minor broke her horn was the trigger to her motive. It was the fact that her friends left her behind because she is "too crippled" to play with. I don't mind having the Ursa minor being responsible for her broken horn, it's one of the of the unfortunate  accident led to tragic betrayal in the aftermath. And the self-recognition that her friends left her during her trouble time give her the idea that she doesn't need no one. I don't know how else they will have Tempest lose her horn, so I think you guys are overthinking things. 

Moreover, Tempest wasn't "evil" till she met The Storm King who offered her back to restore her horn and magic. Before she met him she was searching for a "cure" of her horn and magic without a thought of conquering equestria. Tempest being searching that for years. Storm King used her desperations and devotion to finding this "cure" to his advantage. While Tempest thought The storm king is "cure" she's been searching for. That was the trigger to her evildoing... to her she will do anything to get her magic back and show the equestria what she is made of.  While she thinks Equestria failed her, Storm king were the one to make her feel she still have a chance. 

I think you are saying what I mean a lot better than I did.  Her horn is broken because of the bear and that is a sad part of life.  However, it is her reaction to it being broken that causes her problems.  She believes without the horn that she can not be enough.

Edited October 30, 2017 by tazmy