Who would win a conventional war, USA or Russia

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 conventional warfare is a form of warfare conducted by using conventional  weapons and battlefield tactics between two or more states in open confrontation. The forces on each side are well-defined, and fight using weapons that primarily target the opponent's military.

as of today would would win?

[MangoFoalix 25,042]

Back the Soviet Union still existed, maybe them. Nowadays, the USA in my opinion is way past Russia in a technological sense. Without nukes being exchanged I could see the US being able to crush Russia most likely.

Plus, NATO exists so all of the allies of the US would attack Russia with the USA if there were ever declared war upon. So it would be a bit unfair.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,941]

Russia. The USA is so arrogant and pompous and relies so much on technology that I doubt it would survive in this confrontation. Then again, I live in the US and am biased against it, so, meh. I don't like the US or Russia, to be clear.

[Rainbow Dash 1,472]

USA would win. They are better trained than Russia, Troops have a higher morale, and they have better terrain adaptability. Course, im not saying Russia is weak or anything. They do have more active soldiers than the US, and when it comes to snowy tundras, they are experts.

[CheeryFox 23,823]

If you think Russia--then you are a fool and you need to do more research...on the other hand...Russia is no slouch... 

[King of Canterlot 9,603]

Mother Russia would win comrades, we have many bombs that go boom, along with Putin and Stalin at our side, after all, the United States fell in 1991, showing the world that Communism is the way to go 

And we have better propaganda too 

Look at how happy they are comrades! Nothing will stop the Red Army 

[Twiggy 2,966]

US, though it would be a phyrric victory. Russia itself has a decent armed forces, and they're allied with Iran whose military is far more powerful than the other desert countries. 

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Russians reading this thread

 

1 minute ago, King of Canterlot said:

And we have better propaganda too 

the true way a war is won 

[King of Canterlot 9,603]

4 minutes ago, woodchunks66 said:

the true way a war is won 

The war for the mind is always the greatest 

[Anneal 2,197]

1 hour ago, TheTaZe said:

Back the Soviet Union still existed, maybe them. Nowadays, the USA in my opinion is way past Russia in a technological sense. Without nukes being exchanged I could see the US being able to crush Russia most likely.

Plus, NATO exists so all of the allies of the US would attack Russia with the USA if there were ever declared war upon. So it would be a bit unfair.

Not to mention the collapse of the Soviet Union did a significant number on their military and economy; the new Russia found itself short on cash due to the Soviet’s heavy spending, and was forced to cut significant budgets on their military and defense. While they have recovered somewhat after Putin took charge, a lot of their planes and tanks remain rusted on the fields. But they have been making a comeback, as seen in Crimea and Syria. 

However, they’re still no match for the US’s sheer industrial and military might. The US military still overshadows Russia’s significantly. The military-industry situation in the US is considerably more stable than Russia’s. But it’s very unlikely in itself that a direct conventional war will occur between the US and Russia, considering both countries are extremely difficult to invade. Russia’s geographical position makes it easier for her ships to defend against American ships. At best, as @Twiggy mentioned, it would be a pyrrhic victory. Though with NATO involved, it would tip even more in US’s favor.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Anneal

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13 minutes ago, King of Canterlot said:

The war for the mind is always the greatest 

That is not only what the U.S does well, it's manipulative, and pseudo cunning citizens have picked up this cowardly self reassuring mind tactic of subtle verbal abuse accompanied by outright misinformation to protect themselves from situations that develop any character integrity, or teach us more about ourselves.(PS: the war would finalize in chemical/nuclear retaliations in the end game almost indefinitely, both countries go down if one does, is essentially, the cold chest bumping these countries will do until the finalization of mankind is imminent. )

Edited July 6, 2018 by Aquaflame

[Twiggy 2,966]

1 hour ago, Aquaflame said:

the war would finalize in chemical/nuclear retaliations in the end game almost indefinitely, both countries go down if one does, is essentially, the cold chest bumping these countries will do until the finalization of mankind is imminent. )

Good news for fans of Bethesda's Fallout series. 

Ave. True to Caesar. 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Twiggy

[Denim&Venöm 19,696]

United States. 

• Better morale. 
• Superior training and equipment. 
• Better funded military. 
• Up to date, properly maintained vehicles and weapons.
• Stronger, more varied economy 
• Military is formed from willing applicants instead of conscripts. 

[Anneal 2,197]

31 minutes ago, Denim&Venom said:

United States. 

• Better morale. 
• Superior training and equipment. 
• Better funded military. 
• Up to date, properly maintained vehicles and weapons.
• Stronger, more varied economy 
• Military is formed from willing applicants instead of conscripts. 

Russia’s conscription also makes Russia’s military incredibly top heavy, since most NCOs are conscripted and leave when their time is done. This usually results in low ranking officers doing jobs NCOs should do, which has a domino effect on the rest of Russia’s military logistics and adminstration. That’s a serious problem for Russia’s military, compounded with the obvious fact that conscripts have lower morale and generally poorer training, so some of your points are directly connected to one another.

[CheeryFox 23,823]

34 minutes ago, Anneal said:

Russia’s conscription also makes Russia’s military incredibly top heavy, since most NCOs are conscripted and leave when their time is done. This usually results in low ranking officers doing jobs NCOs should do, which has a domino effect on the rest of Russia’s military logistics and adminstration. That’s a serious problem for Russia’s military, compounded with the obvious fact that conscripts have lower morale and generally poorer training, so some of your points are directly connected to one another.

All of which have numerous validities. Well said. 

[SDP40F amtrak 2,447]

2 hours ago, King of Canterlot said:

Mother Russia would win comrades, we have many bombs that go boom, along with Putin and Stalin at our side, after all, the United States fell in 1991, showing the world that Communism is the way to go 

And we have better propaganda too 

Look at how happy they are comrades! Nothing will stop the Red Army 

Uh oh  their getting east Europe again

[Olly 1,011]

The US and anyone who knows anything should know that. There's no contest between the US and anyone in the war category

[Lucid_Nightlight 928]

Let's look at the scenarios:

Russia invades United States:

They'll fail pretty badly. We the most powerful military, a bunch of armed civilians just itching to fight, and home advantage. The Russians will cause some trouble, but will overpowered by military and militia forces.

"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

United States invades Russia:

The Germans failed to invade Russia due to the cold. Technology was less advanced and the German military was weaker than the modern United States.

Today we have advanced technology and a powerful military, it would be tricky, but not impossible. This is assuming that the invasion goes on in the Winter, but if it does, we would have planned for such a situation.

Russians would have home advantage and maybe weather, but thats basically all they'd have.

The U.S. would have allies ready to help with the attack.

So who would win? It could go either way, but the United States has an edge in moral, technology, and resources.

 

[Stone Cold Steve Jobs 22,466]

I think there are too many variables to take into account. First of all, who takes the first shot? Is it an invasion? 

If the United States invaded Russia, they might win, but the fight would not be without heavy casualties. If Russia invaded the US, they would be eviscerated. The US is not compatible with a standard invasion, going through the Bering Strait would be a terrible idea because that's the first place the navy and coast guard would deploy, and anywhere else requires supplies and resources. That in addition to the sheer numbers one would have to deploy would mean the price tag is immense. So invasions are out.

Just a fight in a field? I would have to say we still take it. The US Army isn't considered so powerful for nothing, worthy a foe though the Russians may be.

[Lonk Chase 255]

USA. They have more supplies.

...though with Trump I'm not sure how he'd do as Commander in Chief.

[Jedishy 3,549]

7 hours ago, Twiggy said:

US, though it would be a phyrric victory. Russia itself has a decent armed forces, and they're allied with Iran whose military is far more powerful than the other desert countries. 

This. As someone who served and has seen a LOT of data this all day long. If we invaded Russia yea we would win if by win you mean to force a surrender. But it would be a very costly war and we could not hold the nation. 

If the Russians tried it the other way around that would be worse for them then us. They would be fighting one of the best militaries in the world and an armed populace who is full of veterans to help train and lead a headless mass of small strike groups. 

[Here No Longer 5,281]

The United States should win any conventional war with our over-funded military. That is, not considering the potential factor of nuclear weapons in this scenario. With that in mind, nobody would win, likely, as we'd nuke each other more than likely. 

 

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6 minutes ago, A Cynical Millenial said:

The United States should win any conventional war with our over-funded military. That is, not considering the potential factor of nuclear weapons in this scenario. With that in mind, nobody would win, likely, as we'd nuke each other more than likely. 

 

Any? that's a pretty bold statement friend, I could easily think of a couple situations where the US gets invaded

[Here No Longer 5,281]

Just now, woodchunks66 said:

Any? that's a pretty bold statement friend, I could easily think of a couple situations where the US gets invaded

Even if the US were invaded by the Russians, the US would still be able to win honestly. 

 

The way I look at it the war, any possible situation would more than likely end either with a costly victory for the US or a nuclear stalemate.

[Thorgir the Mighty 736]

USA,Russia would put up a fight but USA could take em.

We did it before and we’ll do it again!