Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[Quilava 1,290]

Bit of a dilemma: it'd feel weird leaving out tulpa-related stuff in my progress report, but tulpa.info doesn't really allow explicit sexual content, and the new guy

{*smiles and waves*}

has been relatively pervy in his first day of existence. I want him to develop his own personality (same thing with Rainbow Dash. My only rule is no scary deviations, if it can be helped), so thinking "he's less of a pervert" until that becomes true is out of the question.

I understand the need/desire to have your tulpae develop without any of your influence as that's what I, and most others tend to strive for. However, remember that you are in control, and if one of your personalities is built around something you feel comfortable with, tell them that. Though they might not change who they actually are, they might be willing to alter how they display themselves.

 

And I understand, Twyst was the same way when his being was first extracted from my mind. His main drives were about sex. And only sex. Over time, he became refined, more of personality and truer drives becoming apparent. Now, he's far different from what he used to be and in a much better position.

 

 

 To anypony with more than one tulpa, what would you say is the "maximum" number of tulpas a person can have before the brain gets too cluttered?

 

As a question for your question, what do you define as "cluttered"? Currently, I am in possession of 13 independent thought-forms/tulpae, not including an independent thought-form that is my ponysona used for role-play. It really depends on your person. In my opinion, I don't think I'll ever be truly "cluttered".

 

The whole there is no wrong way in making stands to be the best truth I have seen repeatedly. Could one make a tulpa solely just focusing onto "that energy"?  The wish of wanting to create one and always keeping it in mind? Is meditation required to make one? 

 

When any of you made yours are these some of the approaches you took?

 

That whole sentiment is the general jist people need to utilize in order to create a tulpa . We create based on our desires and it in through the constant work and repetition that we achieve things such as this. Overall, meditation isn't all that necessary but it can be a great help. I can't really put it into words as to why it is, it's more of something you'd figure out and notice once you've dabbled into the art a bit. 

 

For a few of mine, these were the approaches I took.

 

I'd say just follow and do what you feel. 

 

I love having my thoughts interrupted >.>;;;

 

;P

[AstralAmity 416]

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[Live Forever 316]

I live with a relatively loud brother, my overprotective mother, and my "FOOTBALL"-screaming dad. I don't think I'd be able to meditate.

 

But what about the senses of touch or smell?

[SkyDream 315]

That part comes later.

 

First, a reminder; a reminder of what it is you're thinking of. The imagination is far too fleeting in light of the distractions of today. Tying a red ribbon around your wrist would serve wonderfully for that purpose.

[AstralAmity 416]

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[Applejohn 108]

I live with a relatively loud brother, my overprotective mother, and my "FOOTBALL"-screaming dad. I don't think I'd be able to meditate.

 

But what about the senses of touch or smell?

"FOOTBALL screaming dad" laughed so hard, i know how that feels.

 

Yup, apparently meditating is not an option here, but from what i've heard it is really important in the tulpa-making-process. I would recommend to meditate before going to bed, or actually, in bed, but before falling asleep. Even with a family like that you should have a lot of quiet time to meditate (unless of course, your brother is also loud at night), although you would loose some sleep time :/

 

(Btw, just to clarify: i don't have a tulpa yet, I'll just answer from what I've read and heard about)

I still need to investigate a little bit more about the senses and all that stuff, so my answers are not gonna be anything new.

First you need to close your eyes (don't close them now though, you will need them open) and imagine how your tulpa feels like when you touch it, how it smells, and all of that. Not all at the same time though, that will come later on. Basically if you focus on that for some hours, about 2 a day, ( and also relate the smell and texture to the tulpa) at the end, every time you think on the tulpa your brain will remember how it smells and make you feel like you can smell it. Thats pretty much it, I probably explained it wrong (Now you can close your eyes)

[KruegerMeister 54]

If I have Rainbow Dash possess me for a few hours a day for a month or two, is there any chance of it becoming permanent or hard to reverse? Has anypony tried to fall asleep during possession? I'm interested in knowing what she dreams about, and she told me her dream recall isn't that good.

[AstralAmity 416]

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[KruegerMeister 54]

It is almost always very easy to reverse from both my experience and from what I've heard.

 

Teckie:"Hm... it would be pretty interesting to try switching while before bed! I want to see if I remain switched all night. ^v^ "

Regardless of how easy it is to reverse, I am both hoping that Teckie succeeds, and unsettled by what success would imply.

 

On a related topic, raise your hand/hoof if you think permaswitching's impossible given what Techoh just said. *raises hand*

[*salutes in agreement*]

{*shrugs*}

 

On another related topic, anypony else think that "possession", "wonderland" and "host" would make a layperson think of demons, MK-ULTRA, and parasites, respectively? That could be a problem for the whole "acceptance by mainstream society" thing. I'm not sure if we should have our own lingo or not.

[Guest]

Regardless of how easy it is to reverse, I am both hoping that Teckie succeeds, and unsettled by what success would imply.

 

On a related topic, raise your hand/hoof if you think permaswitching's impossible given what Techoh just said. *raises hand*

[*salutes in agreement*]

{*shrugs*}

 

On another related topic, anypony else think that "possession", "wonderland" and "host" would make a layperson think of demons, MK-ULTRA, and parasites, respectively? That could be a problem for the whole "acceptance by mainstream society" thing. I'm not sure if we should have our own lingo or not.

Yeah, perma-switching is impossible, and sounds straight out of a scary spaghetti.

"Scary spaghetti ?"

Creepy-pasta

"Ugh..."

"Anyways, even if it was possible I don't see why us tulpae would even want to do that. I mean, keeping your host locked out of his own body ? Nah."

 

About the lingo... Well we can't say "Control of the body by the tulpa", "imaginary place to force in" and "maker of the tulpa" can we. A lingo is pretty much necessary in every community.

And I don't think it matters much anyways, my mother doesn't really care about the lingo I use with friends on Skype, even though it sounds very alien. I mean, lag ? Reco ? WASD ? Remap ? Lobby ? Is this the devil's talk ?

Edited August 27, 2014 by Guest

[KruegerMeister 54]

I'm thinking of trying to explain what tulpas are/aren't to a psychologist friend. Should I direct her to this thread? Tulpa.info? One of the tulpa subreddits?

 

Should I write a paper on tulpas? All it takes in my state to get involuntarily committed to psychiatric care for up to 70-ish hours is two concerned individuals (ie, my parents if they read the paper and figure out that I'm hallucinating ponies). Is there some drug cocktail that could kill a tulpa, which I could somehow be forced to take?

[Only if you think there is.]

[ReverieRiver 526]

I'm thinking of trying to explain what tulpas are/aren't to a psychologist friend. Should I direct her to this thread? Tulpa.info? One of the tulpa subreddits?

 

Should I write a paper on tulpas? All it takes in my state to get involuntarily committed to psychiatric care for up to 70-ish hours is two concerned individuals (ie, my parents if they read the paper and figure out that I'm hallucinating ponies). Is there some drug cocktail that could kill a tulpa, which I could somehow be forced to take?

[Only if you think there is.]

 

 

 

Is there some drug cocktail that could kill a tulpa, which I could somehow be forced to take?

 

[Please don't say that.

 

Please don't say that.]

 

Looks like you managed to spook Ariel with that thought.. Don't worry, Ariel, I don't think that could happen. Not that I'd let myself end up getting admitted to a psychiatric facility, anyway.

 

Anyway, tulpa.info might be a good place to start if you're trying to explain tulpas to someone. That's where I went first, and that site seems to have a fair amount of information.

[Live Forever 316]

I'm gonna start with the voice. Any tips on that?

[KruegerMeister 54]

Sorry, Ariel. Even if there WAS a drug like that, like Rainbow Dash said, it would probably only work if your host thought it would work (meaning it wouldn't work, because even if she was told it would work, you'd probably both keep telling yourselves that it wouldn't work, which the power of suggestion would make true).

[Golurk 468]

Is there some drug cocktail that could kill a tulpa, which I could somehow be forced to take?

@@Miss Reaper,

 

Time to get edumacated.  (disclaimer, I am NOT an expert, but I do know quite a bit on the way the body and brain work)

 

From a scientific perspective, everything that happens in your brain is due to signals being sent by connected neurons. There's no reason to think that a tulpa is any different. Now, there are two ways to disconnect neurons: 1) temporarily, through the use of drugs which prevent chemical signals from being sent, and 2) permanantly, through literally killing/ removing the involved neurons.

 

The first method is what's used to control mental disorders, since they can spot-fix a problem without affecting much else (save for the list of side-effects, but that varies from drug to drug). However, they need to be taken habitually to have a long-term effect; once you stop taking them, the symptoms come back. So one pill certainly would not be a death sentence.

 

The second method is, put simply, lobotomizing. Basically, literally cutting out a part of the brain. Which is a practice that has become completely outdated with the advent of the first method's medicines. Alternatively, concussions/ brain damage could have the same effect, but it would be very hard to predict. Some instances have no noticeable effect, while others result in irreversible comas. It really depends on the severity of the injury. So basically, stay away from mad doctors and cranial trauma, and you'll be fine. 

 

Basically, there's no magic drug that can permanently kill a tulpa, and if you sustain brain damage bad enough to do it, there are bigger issues to worry about. Like breathing. 

 

 

 

I'm gonna start with the voice. Any tips on that?

 

 

What I've been doing is just reading stuff in the voice. Be it a news article, a book, or a shampoo bottle, as long as it's the voice, it should work. That gets it stuck in your head pretty quick. 

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[KruegerMeister 54]

Should I also show my psychologist friend this and this?

 

My mom is pretty open-minded, and both of my parents said that they were willing to hear me out when I tried to explain Furries to them; plus I'm older than 18, which I think calls the conditions for involuntary committment into question (because I'm legally an adult); however, being a Furry doesn't generally involve, y'know, self-inducing symptoms also found in schizophrenia. I'm not sure how likely it is that my parents will find out about my tulpas (the only scenarios I can think of are them hearing about the paper from my concerned psychologist friend, and them asking to read it). Should I write the paper, or leave this sort of "public relations" stuff to ponies like Techoh (who seems to have much more experience with it than I)?

Edited August 28, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[Guest]

@[user=KruegerMeister]

I haven't read the first document, but I've looked at the second one and... You shouldn't.

First : psychedelicfrontier.com. If you want to prove you are sane this isn't the best website to quote.

Also, I'm not sure about the article itself. It doesn't seem to be very accurate, shows a lot of pictures of mutated animals/persons and concludes with a paragraph on exorcism. It barely mentions tulpae.

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[KruegerMeister 54]

Should I just link her to tulpa.info and say "go wild"? Is there anything there that would look bad?

[AstralAmity 416]

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[KruegerMeister 54]

The only reason I pondered the existence of a tulpa-killing drug cocktail is because I once read a story where a guy used a drug cocktail (and hypnosis/placebos) to make a musclebound soldier his b:yay:tch.

 

{It's fiction!}

Which truth is stranger than.

{*facehoof*}

 

Also, is it somehow "bad" if my tulpas and I think in other mindvoices? Like, I'll have just watched an episode of Fullmetal Alchemist and I'll think in Vince Mcgnog...whatshisname's voice, or I'll think in Rainbow Dash's voice.

 

[...What the f:ya--don't censor me. What the fuck are you talking about?]

 

That one time? I thought in your mindvoice until you punched me?

 

I once had Keystroke possess me, but the only signs were tingling in my feet, face, etc. (phantom hooves/wings/muzzle) and the fact that I thought in his mindvoice (or was he doing the thinking?).

 

I read something on tulpa.info about a guy who heard thoughts from his brain, or something. Like, he'd think something and his brain would respond (apparently different from a tulpa). Discuss, plz.

 

What do people mean when they describe their tulpas thoughts as "alien"?

[KruegerMeister 54]

Can somepony help me fill in this blank? "You think tulpamancers are crazy? Check out ____!" The goal is to, if need be, explain to my psychologist friend that there are far stranger people in the world than us.

I don't think I can use Chris-Chan, who was the first person that came to mind. Most people would likely consider him to be somewhat of a Tulpamancer (in addition to a racist, sexist, homophobe who...I'm not even going to hint at all the gross/insensitive things he's done, videotaped, and uploaded to Youtube) who gives many things a bad name. He's infamous for writing a comic. He believes that the characters in this comic have lives outside of it (so, they're like tulpas), and he believes that the comic locales exist in some form (similar to a wonderland).

Would "Hitler" or "Jim Jones" be a good fit for that blank? Am I going about this scenario the wrong way?

[Golurk 468]

@@KruegerMeister,@,

 

Both of you have been mentioning popularizing tulpas, and I think I have something that may help your cause for that.

 

Have you heard of the comic strip "Calvin and Hobbes"? In it, a boy (Calvin) does various things with an imaginary friend of his (Hobbes). However, Hobbes thinks differently than Calvin does in pretty much every situation, often displaying more maturity and wisdom than Calvin does. Calvin, on the other hand, is more energetic and bold. The two have very different personalities, with Hobbes acting separately from Calvin.

Sound familiar? 

 

It's been a pretty popular thing for a while now. So if you were to explain a tulpa as "like Hobbes", it would both be accurate and would give a positive picture. Just an idea. 

[KruegerMeister 54]

Isn't Calvin ten years old, or whatever age at which kids usually have imaginary friends? That might paint a good picture of tulpas, but it might also paint an immature picture of their hosts,

{*punch/bonk*}

[*glare*]

What? I'm just calling it as I see it.

[Who says that anymore?]

[Guest]

Isn't Calvin ten years old, or whatever age at which kids usually have imaginary friends? That might paint a good picture of tulpas, but it might also paint an immature picture of their hosts,

{*punch/bonk*}

[*glare*]

What? I'm just calling it as I see it.

[Who says that anymore?]

I think that's the best picture you can paint of tulpae. They're a Hobbes to your Calvin.

I doubt "immaturity of the host" would be what someone thinks about that image. I mean, everyone loves Calvin... right ?

 

Way too tired to write a progress report right now.

I may do one tomorrow.

Just know that imposition is fun and we're having a whale of a time.

[KruegerMeister 54]

I was thinking about my faulty reasoning for using Rainbow Dash as a base for...well, Rainbow Dash (the reasoning of "a tulpa based on a pony known for her loyalty won't hurt her host, and obviously there exist tulpas that would hurt their hosts, even though the only example I know of is the one creepypasta"), and came up with a thought experiment. What would happen if one created a tulpa with a trait like "trustworthy" or "likeable", or some other trait that is relative to someone other than the person to whom the trait is ascribed?

 

EDIT: here's another one: if you imagine your tulpa doing something IRL, and they do it, it's parroting. But what if you imagine a scenario involving your tulpa, and, in this scenario, he/she does something without you imagining him/her having done it?

Edited September 5, 2014 by KruegerMeister