S09:E22 - Growing Up Is Hard to Do

[Thrond 3,263]

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

OK first, how are you quoting just parts of my post? I have to copy and cut down the whole thing each time.

When you highlight sections of text, a button should pop up that says "Quote Selection."

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "literal children", but I see them as tweens when we meet them and 13-15ish when they get their marks. And while the animation may not have reflected this, the narrative has mostly fit (save their total failiure to graduate).

I mostly meant "not adults," which is still how I see them, even in their most mature roles. I don't recall - did anyone ever point out how successful they are for their age?

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

Is there a problem with Rumble being the one to learn the lesson? What matters is that the viewers do, after all.

Mostly it's because I find it boring to watch the main characters do the right thing from start to finish, and in that episode I didn't find Rumble interesting enough to compensate. It makes them admirable at the cost of them being relatable. 

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

Is there a problem with Rumble being the one to learn the lesson? What matters is that the viewers do, after all.

Oh thank god. Maybe the finale won’t be completely horrible. I think that's all the more reason for "The Summer Sun Celebration" to have been more nuanced, though. 

   

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

 

I wouldn't count "Twilighting" out here anymore than Cadance's breathing exercises defeated it in Season 3.

I'm also quite ambivalent about the idea of Twilight being forced into rulership, especially so soon after she found a role of her own she loved, but ironically the main plot episodes still seem to be better than the standalone this season. (Thankfully this ep was an exception, but as established, it doesn't really fit here.) 

Twilight fitting so well as headmare makes this season's running plot especially confusing. I'm not sure how her being Celestia's successor is supposed to be satisfying. 

I actually liked a lot of the standalone episodes in the first half of the season, whereas the main plot stuff actively brought episodes down for me. I thought the premiere was okay but nothing special, and actively disliked "The Summer Sun Celebration." 

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

Mount Aris is pretty darn far - like, well outside Equestrian borders. I don't think the CMC have ever travelled internationally before (unless the Crystal Empire counts).

Fair enough, and I guess they've also been to Appleoosa before. 

(God, this was hard to post. Never had MLPForums glitch out on me like that before.)

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5 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

When you highlight sections of text, a button should pop up that says "Quote Selection."

Huh - it does! Thanks!

7 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I don't recall - did anyone ever point out how successful they are for their age?

I don't actually know if there's any adult in all of Equestria doing the same job.

8 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Twilight fitting so well as headmare makes this season's running plot especially confusing. I'm not sure how her being Celestia's successor is supposed to be satisfying. 

It was the endpoint Faust had in mind for her, and all the other characters have met theirs. Even I could accept it if there was any element of necessity to it.

9 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I actually liked a lot of the standalone episodes in the first half of the season, whereas the main plot stuff actively brought episodes down for me. I thought the premiere was okay but nothing special, and actively disliked "The Summer Sun Celebration." 

Out of the whole first half, I only really liked Frenemies and Student Counsel (though some other episodes were OK). The premiere made for a decent thriller, but took the brunt of my dislike for the season premises. As for liking Summer Sun Setback... well, the fact that it comes out in the top 10 of the season may say more about the season's quality than it's own.

[Thrond 3,263]

14 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

I don't actually know if there's any adult in all of Equestria doing the same job.

I think any adult would be very impressed.

15 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

It was the endpoint Faust had in mind for her, and all the other characters have met theirs. Even I could accept it if there was any element of necessity to it.

It’s weird, because even when Faust was in charge, the show never really built up to Twilight becoming a princess. She never gave any indication she might be interested in that, and since then she’s never seemed very happy about it. And there’s no pressing reason for Twilight to rule Equestria, so I kinda just want her to decline the offer. 
 

17 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Out of the whole first half, I only really liked Frenemies and Student Counsel (though some other episodes were OK). The premiere made for a decent thriller, but took the brunt of my dislike for the season premises. As for liking Summer Sun Setback... well, the fact that it comes out in the top 10 of the season may say more about the season's quality than it's own.

I would say I kinda liked all of it except “She’s All Yak,” “Sweet and Smoky,” and “Student Counsel” (I felt all the Everfree stuff was unnecessary). Even the premiere and “The Last Crusade” I thought we’re okay, and the rest I enjoyed a lot. 

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3 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

It’s weird, because even when Faust was in charge, the show never really built up to Twilight becoming a princess. She never gave any indication she might be interested in that, and since then she’s never seemed very happy about it. And there’s no pressing reason for Twilight to rule Equestria, so I kinda just want her to decline the offer. 

Unfortunately, doing what Celestia tells her to is about as ingrained in her as "Twilighting". (And she was Celestia's protege - if the latter was a wise unicorn queen of normal lifespan and no apparent children, Twilight succeeding the throne would be obvious.)

6 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

I would say I kinda liked all of it except “She’s All Yak,” “Sweet and Smoky,” and “Student Counsel” (I felt all the Everfree stuff was unnecessary). Even the premiere and “The Last Crusade” I thought we’re okay, and the rest I enjoyed a lot. 

Retrospectively "Common Ground" was better than I initially judged it, and "Between Dusk and Dawn" had some good parts. But the rest were pretty mediocre IMO.

[Senko 459]

20 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Unfortunately, doing what Celestia tells her to is about as ingrained in her as "Twilighting". (And she was Celestia's protege - if the latter was a wise unicorn queen of normal lifespan and no apparent children, Twilight succeeding the throne would be obvious.) 

Retrospectively "Common Ground" was better than I initially judged it, and "Between Dusk and Dawn" had some good parts. But the rest were pretty mediocre IMO.

I could even accept the "I wish to take a break, please take over for a century or two while I bond with my sister" if it weren't for 3 other issues. First Twilight does have her own life and she's basically going to lose a lot of experiences she may never get back, second Celestia seems to have suddenly entered a mid-life crisis seeking "excitement" and fixing everything herself when she deliberately stood back and let Twilight succeed preventing Luna from helping when she wanted too and third she's trying to get Twilight to take over raising the sun and moon. That last one is the big one to me this isn't ruling the country its her cutie mark, something she's been doing since presumably before she took over and we've seen repeatedly that ponies ignoring their cutie mark suffer for it. No that really bugs me.

[Thrond 3,263]

17 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Unfortunately, doing what Celestia tells her to is about as ingrained in her as "Twilighting". (And she was Celestia's protege - if the latter was a wise unicorn queen of normal lifespan and no apparent children, Twilight succeeding the throne would be obvious.)

Which would make it more satisfying for Twilight to say “no” for once...

Honestly it would be even more conspicuous if Celestia had a normal lifespan. They never even brought it up until season 3, and they couldn’t decide what it meant afterwards. That aspect has never quite sat right with the rest of the show.

24 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Retrospectively "Common Ground" was better than I initially judged it, and "Between Dusk and Dawn" had some good parts. But the rest were pretty mediocre IMO.

Different strokes for different folks. 

[Latecomer 439]

10 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Honestly it would be even more conspicuous if Celestia had a normal lifespan. They never even brought it up until season 3, and they couldn’t decide what it meant afterwards. That aspect has never quite sat right with the rest of the show.

What do you mean? 

10 hours ago, Senko said:

I could even accept the "I wish to take a break, please take over for a century or two while I bond with my sister" if it weren't for 3 other issues. First Twilight does have her own life and she's basically going to lose a lot of experiences she may never get back, second Celestia seems to have suddenly entered a mid-life crisis seeking "excitement" and fixing everything herself when she deliberately stood back and let Twilight succeed preventing Luna from helping when she wanted too and third she's trying to get Twilight to take over raising the sun and moon. That last one is the big one to me this isn't ruling the country its her cutie mark, something she's been doing since presumably before she took over and we've seen repeatedly that ponies ignoring their cutie mark suffer for it. No that really bugs me.

One almost wonders if she's secretly dying but doesn't want to admit it.

[ImpctR 155]

Their age here is like human's 18 or up to 21, I think. It's because they claim they are now grown up kind of can decide on their own but still too young at it.

On 10/1/2019 at 4:02 AM, AlexanderThrond said:

If children can know more than adults

eeh if that was  the message (which I doubt), that would be a terrible example to give.

Edited October 3, 2019 by ImpctR

[BornAgainBrony 2,397]

8 hours ago, Latecomer said:

One almost wonders if she's secretly dying but doesn't want to admit it.

I've been dreading a repeat of "Optimus Prime" ever since that retirement announcement.

22 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Plus, "Twilighting" is one of the things that makes Twilight Sparkle who she is, so I don't think having her essentially get over that - especially in a situation that totally warrants it - is at all satisfying. I want to see her develop, but there must be a way to do that without totally flattening her personality, which really is what that episode looks like to me.

It was getting out of hand. Twilighting was turning into a comedy gag. It used to be more balanced, but not in S9. And if something didn't change, Twilight wouldn't have lasted long as ruler. The panic attacks were getting worse and more frequent and her coping methods of making lists and organizing books weren't enough anymore. She was on her way to a complete mental break. That trivia show was the worst offender but now all of it seems to have been setting up for the episode where she fixes it. My head-canon for that is after hurting Pinkie like she did, Twilight actually realized she needed counseling, and did it without telling anyone. That would've been a great episode but it also would have ruined the surprise of the mid-season finale.

 

On 9/30/2019 at 9:02 PM, AlexanderThrond said:

That would enhance the idea that adulthood doesn't automatically grant expertise, but it might undermine the idea that being an adult is more than just physical appearance. If children can know more than adults, then why do the CMC need chaperones? There's an answer to that, but the episode might have gotten bogged down answering it. 

Not really. Unless it's just too complex of an idea to stuff into a half hour show. They probably could've done it introducing a character who looked like an adult, but was even more immature than the foals (we've all met at least one of those in our lives, right?). I've met pre-teens who I've enjoyed multi-hour conversations with about everything from astrophysics to politics. And I've met adults who go into temper tantrums at the drop of a hat. When it comes to intelligence, age is a terrible measuring stick. Knowledge and wisdom comes from experience and a willingness to learn, not age. There's an important but subtle difference there.

So what were you thinking about the answer and why it would bog down the episode?

At the very least I feel like Applebloom went through this all the way back in Season 4 when AJ couldn't handle her being home alone for an afternoon. She nearly made it through the fire swamp without needing help. A train ride shouldn't have been an issue, especially if they just asked someone working at the station. Children use public transportation by themselves all the darned time.

On 9/30/2019 at 12:16 PM, YoshiAngemon said:

Discord would just want to see the chaos happen, rather than be responsible with three fillies.

Umm... I think that's actually motivation TO chaperone the CMC. No matter how competent or incompetent they are, pandemonium has a tendency to follow them.  Professor Mcgonagall's line would fit perfectly. "Why is it, when something happens, it is always you three?" Besides, Discord missed an opportunity to see a hamster Pokemon turn into a tornado.

 

 

[Thrond 3,263]

16 hours ago, Latecomer said:

What do you mean? 

Twilight being Celestia's student never really meant anything. The idea of her even becoming a princess, let alone Celestia's successor, never came up until season 3. That would be a lot harder to ignore if Celestia was a mortal with no heir, because then Twilight's relationship with her would have a different context. Twilight would definitely look like an heir in that case, but if the show was written the same way, it would stand out even more that the show never really brought that up, I think. 

9 hours ago, ImpctR said:

eeh if that was  the message (which I doubt), that would be a terrible example to give.

I don’t think that’s the message, I was just reacting to the story that @BornAgainBrony would have preferred.

8 hours ago, BornAgainBrony said:

It was getting out of hand. Twilighting was turning into a comedy gag. It used to be more balanced, but not in S9. And if something didn't change, Twilight wouldn't have lasted long as ruler. The panic attacks were getting worse and more frequent and her coping methods of making lists and organizing books weren't enough anymore. She was on her way to a complete mental break. That trivia show was the worst offender but now all of it seems to have been setting up for the episode where she fixes it. My head-canon for that is after hurting Pinkie like she did, Twilight actually realized she needed counseling, and did it without telling anyone. That would've been a great episode but it also would have ruined the surprise of the mid-season finale.

Sure, that trivia episode wasn’t very good, and the Hearth’s Warming special didn’t go that deep into it. But I think the show still does a good job of getting at the genuine emotion behind it when it actually tries - this season’s “The Point of No Return,” for instance, seemed like a very thoughtful depiction of perfectionism to me. Meanwhile, I think “The Summer Sun Setback” goes too far in the opposite direction and actually makes her look calmer than her friends, which I have a hard time seeing as anything other than saying that Twilight essentially got over it entirely. There’s a way to have her grow and mature without taking one of her most relatable traits away. 

And I truly don’t care how long she would last as ruler. I wish she wasn’t becoming ruler. 

Also, you could probably argue that all of the mane six need counselling. 

8 hours ago, BornAgainBrony said:

Not really. Unless it's just too complex of an idea to stuff into a half hour show. They probably could've done it introducing a character who looked like an adult, but was even more immature than the foals (we've all met at least one of those in our lives, right?). I've met pre-teens who I've enjoyed multi-hour conversations with about everything from astrophysics to politics. And I've met adults who go into temper tantrums at the drop of a hat. When it comes to intelligence, age is a terrible measuring stick. Knowledge and wisdom comes from experience and a willingness to learn, not age. There's an important but subtle difference there.

 So what were you thinking about the answer and why it would bog down the episode?

I think the answer is that, just because children know some things better than adults, and even though some children might be more mature than some adults, that doesn’t necessarily make up for their lack of life experience. My idea is that they would add a scene where the CMC know better about something than an adult, which then leads them to think they know better than adults in general, but I like the pacing in this episode, and I feel like adding too much more might make it feel rushed. Then again I like this episode enough that adding that probably wouldn’t ruin it for me. 

8 hours ago, BornAgainBrony said:

At the very least I feel like Applebloom went through this all the way back in Season 4 when AJ couldn't handle her being home alone for an afternoon. She nearly made it through the fire swamp without needing help. A train ride shouldn't have been an issue, especially if they just asked someone working at the station. Children use public transportation by themselves all the darned time.

And fair enough, children do take public transit, and the CMC getting off at the wrong stop is fairly silly. Plus, as I said, they should probably know how to get to Appleoosa. I just thought it was funny because of the irony. But I also think it’s significant that Apple Bloom didn’t make it across the fire swamp; I always thought that episode’s point was that Apple Bloom could handle being home alone, not that she could go on journeys on her own. 

Edited October 4, 2019 by AlexanderThrond

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

Pretty good episode overall. Reminded me of freshman year in a nutshell. 

...they just had to pull out the "Because I said so" card. 

Great lesson, which really nailed the adulting thing. Can't expect to be totally "free to do what you want"...

[Latecomer 439]

5 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Twilight would definitely look like an heir in that case, but if the show was written the same way, it would stand out even more that the show never really brought that up, I think. 

I get what you mean, though one could probably play it as "it was blindingly obvious to everyone except Twilight."

Or perhpas Cadance was the heir apparent until her own Empire turned up.

 

 

[Thrond 3,263]

18 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

I get what you mean, though one could probably play it as "it was blindingly obvious to everyone except Twilight."

Or perhpas Cadance was the heir apparent until her own Empire turned up.

It doesn't really matter to me. I am not interested in Equestrian politics at all.

[Latecomer 439]

Just now, AlexanderThrond said:

It doesn't really matter to me. I am not interested in Equestrian politics at all.

Well unfortunately, Twilight has been tied into them from the beginning. Too close to the center of power.

Perhaps in G5 we can have some lower-class nobody as a protagonist.

[Senko 459]

5 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Also, you could probably argue that all of the mane six need counselling. 

I actually have a pet theory since Luna has been exiled for a thousand years and there's mention pony nightmare's if left untended for too long can cause sever mental trauma every pony over a certain age has varying degree's of mental quirks ranging from the minor Dash's overconfidence to major like Pinkie's depression if she thinks her friends are abandoning her.

 

4 hours ago, Latecomer said:

Well unfortunately, Twilight has been tied into them from the beginning. Too close to the center of power.

Perhaps in G5 we can have some lower-class nobody as a protagonist.

I don't mind her being part of Equestria's power strucutre gives us a differing viewpoint that can see both commoner and noble. What bugs me is the way Celestia and Luna are suddenly trying to hand over both rulership and their cutie mark duties to her and it comes off more as they are suffering an immortal's equivilent of a mid-life crisis. I can easily see them to be buying million dollar sports cars and speeding around while dating handsome young stallions.

[Thrond 3,263]

26 minutes ago, Senko said:

the minor Dash's overconfidence

I actually think Dash is incredibly insecure.

 

[Music Chart Fan 819]

Overall, I would say that I don't care much for this episode. The basic plot of this episode just isn't very entertaining to me - kid characters think they know what they're doing; adult characters (patronizingly) tell them that they don't; kids go mess something up in their overconfidence; adults fix the mess; kids admit that the adults were right. And this episode repeatedly reinforces to the audience that the CMCs, even in adult bodies, are still immature and don't know what they're doing, which, again, I just don't find very interesting. Also, while it's not necessarily unrealistic for middle-school-aged kids (which I assume is about the age of the CMCs) to be overconfident and think that they know or can figure things out when they really can't, the tone and messaging of this episode seems inconsistent with that of (at least some) previous episodes. For example, the CMCs have had a consulting "business" in which they help other ponies, including adults, figure out their life's purpose, and people have taken the CMCs seriously in that endeavor. And we've had multiple episodes in which the older sisters of the CMCs (and others) had to learn that the CMCs are growing up and are more mature than they were being treated. But still, the Mane Six's appearances were pretty good, the old ticket booth pony was kind of amusing, and I liked Spur, including her striking appearance with her dark brown and bright aqua green colors.

The only bigger observation I'll talk about is the magic wish-granting flower. When around it, Scootaloo says "I wish we didn't have to wait to grow up", Apple Bloom says "I wish it would happen all at once. Then we'd know everything we need to get to the fair and back with no problem", and Sweetie Belle says "I just wish we were as old as our sisters. Then nopony could tell us what to do, and we'd be able to take care of ourselves". And somehow the flower hears these statements and implements a result of the CMCs' becoming physically larger, but apparently not any different mentally. I'm not sure why that's the interpretation of what the CMCs wished for. Doesn't Apple Bloom say that she wants the CMCs to know everything they need to get to the fair and back with no problem? Doesn't Sweetie Belle say that she wants the CMCs to be able to take care of themselves? Does the flower only implement what Scootaloo first wished for? However, the flower also (conveniently) doesn't act until after all the CMCs say what they wish for. Or does the flower parse the CMCs' sentences and only implement the direct object of the sentences in which the CMC say what they wish for, not including any information other than that?

Maybe the CMCs needed to be more precise with their wishes, but then that idea seems to be undermined a bit by the end of the episode, where the CMCs simply say "We wish we were foals again", and the magical flower interprets that to mean that they wish that they were the age that they were before wishing to be grown up. It's all a bit weird, but it also seems like that's what happens with a convenient magical object like this. I also can't help having similar thoughts to @Justin_Case001 about what exactly the limits are of the wish-granting ability of this magical flower. And it seems like characters that get these kind of wishes - with few or no limitations on what to wish for - inevitably end up making wishes just about themselves or people that they immediately know. It seems like they could think much bigger and beyond themselves and wish for the universe to be perfect, or something like that. (Of course, I don't know what exactly that would mean, or how that could possibly be implemented; maybe a wish like that needs to be carefully phrased to avoid misinterpretation. If the character can get more than one wish, then perhaps the character could first wish for the knowledge and ability to make the right wish, or something.)

Now here are the rest of my miscellaneous observations:

When Sweetie Belle says she has the CMCs' whole itinerary planned, she shows a sheet with various pie, bar, and line graphs. What were all of these charts that Sweetie Belle needed to plot in order to plan the itinerary for the county fair?

I don't remember if we've seen before that the head covering for the Wonderbolts uniform is separate, but apparently once it's put on, it looks seamless.

Yeah, as I've seen pointed out, the CMC never discuss asking or try to ask Pinkie to bring them to the fair. I wouldn't blame them if they thought that Pinkie wouldn't be a good chaperone, but I could see their just not having gotten around to thinking of Pinkie yet. The CMCs first asked each of their big sisters, and then thought to ask Fluttershy because she might like to see the animals at the fair, and because Fluttershy was going to help Twilight, they asked Twilight, too.

I don't know why the CMC keep hanging around, even after both Fluttershy and Twilight said that they couldn't go with the CMC to the fair. Twilight and Fluttershy basically ignore the CMC to start talking about the flower problem, and the CMC don't seem to have any particular interest in that, so I don't know why they wouldn't just leave at that point.

I'm surprised that Scootaloo's helmet apparently still fits her in her adult body. So the CMCs got bigger bodies, but apparently not much bigger heads?

What is the old ticket booth pony doing here? Wasn't he at the last stop on the train line to the Peaks of Peril back in "Sounds Of Silence"? Did he get re-assigned? Are the ticket booth ponies on some kind of rotation?

I'm not sure why either Biscuit or Spur should look to the CMCs to tell them what to do with their pet. Even if they are "adults", that doesn't mean that they have any particular knowledge about pets, or about a whirling mungtooth in particular. But, of course, the CMCs don't say that they have no particular knowledge and aren't the ones to ask about this, which is what I would say if I were asked what to do about someone's pet.

Are Biscuit and Spur supposed to be accompanied by a chaperone to the fair? Or are they just old enough that they wouldn't need one?

Somehow the CMCs get on the Ferris wheel, even though we don't see or hear it stop to let them on.

[StitchandMLPlover 930]

MLP “Growing Up is hard to do.”

 

I was out of town without access to internet or Discovery Family when this aired last week so I’m reviewing it now. I like this one. I thought it was great of the writers to show us what the CMC will look like as adults before the series officially ends. I liked the reference to Sweetie Belle being like Twilight and seeing her use a teleportation spell. I don’t think Sweetie Belle will reach Twilight’s magic skill level but I think she will be very good at magic in her own right as she grows. As a disabled person I’m so so glad they kept Scootaloo disabled because Scootaloo is one of the best written disabled characters I have seen. Admittedly they could have acknowledged Scootaloo being disabled by having her try to fly in her adult body after the wish and failing miserably, but at the same time this almost works better because it doesn't show her lack of flight as tragic or sad which is a trope I'm super sick of in media regarding disabled characters, and it shows her embracing disability in a subtle way that focuses on who Scootaloo is rather than the more shallow approach of focusing on what she is and what she can or can’t do. It gives real kids born with disability(like me) the heads up that one does not magically outgrow disability with age.  I like that the flower transformed the 3 on its own instead of the girls using a stupid elaborate immature scheme to grow. The song was good and perfectly represented how you kids feel about adults. It seems to me that the CMC were not separated in the episode with Scootaloo’s parents because the writers had these 2 episodes(this and the Big Mac one) with CMC planned.They could have changed the episode order to allow the CMC to live apart but I like that they stayed together.

[Allen 1,387]

The Cutie Mark Crusaders became grown-ups as mare ponies? That was unexpected when they wished for that to travel on the train ride to that event, and that was not an easy thing.  I knew what's that going to happen next for that event. They wish what they taught about when they were grown-ups. Therefore, I will say this is a good episode at 8/10. 

[qwerE 96]

The CMC turning into grown ups was a cool concept, but the lessons were a bit too forced. A tiny pet that turns into a giant tornado just for the sake of the plot wasn't really the most sensible thing, after all. Despite the episode's flaws, I loved hearing the 'adult' versions of the CMC, especially Sweetie Belle. She sounded so mature and foalish at the same time

Edited October 14, 2019 by qwerE

[JCKane 345]

It was ok, but hoenstly after the "Last Crusade" being kind of the wrap up for the CMC's, I feel this episode should of taken place before that one. 

[Latecomer 439]

12 minutes ago, JCKane said:

It was ok, but hoenstly after the "Last Crusade" being kind of the wrap up for the CMC's, I feel this episode should of taken place before that one. 

It doesn't make much sense at any point after Forever Filly, to be honest.

[JCKane 345]

9 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

It doesn't make much sense at any point after Forever Filly, to be honest.

I dunno.  I didn't think that was a good conclusion to the CMC archs.  and Admitedly, the Last Crusade, I do feel could of gone better imo... but like it felt like the 'final CMC focused episode'... not to mention it was in the final season... unlike the one you mentioned, thus they had room to add alot of the other CMC focused episodes.

[Latecomer 439]

1 hour ago, JCKane said:

I dunno.  I didn't think that was a good conclusion to the CMC archs.  and Admitedly, the Last Crusade, I do feel could of gone better imo... but like it felt like the 'final CMC focused episode'... not to mention it was in the final season... unlike the one you mentioned, thus they had room to add alot of the other CMC focused episodes.

It only works as a final CMC ep for a CMC that never grow up - in fact not even then, because that breaks it's own moral of "adulthood comes to those who wait".

Forever FIlly, on the other hand, is an episode about the CMC (well, one of them at least) growing up.

[FirePuppy 735]

On 9/28/2019 at 5:21 PM, Ganondorf8 said:

Strange that Pinkie Pie wasn't able to take the CMC to Appleloosa. Had she been available, we'd have had a completely different story.

I made a comic strip of how that could have happened.