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[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

It's fine, and to be clear she said "Cowards" not traitor.

If you edit your post to make it clear, remembering that Fuoco is behind the others, (So Applebloom will need to wait or go back for her.) Then I can redo my post to have Fuoco refuse to be carried and adjust the rest of her responses now that she was not abandoned.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

Also, you had starlight read Blu's mind. Was that intentional? You had her respond to the line that I marked with "and thought to himself" is even in the section that you quoted.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

3 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

It's fine, and to be clear she said "Cowards" not traitor.

If you edit your post to make it clear, remembering that Fuoco is behind the others, (So Applebloom will need to wait or go back for her.) Then I can redo my post to have Fuoco refuse to be carried and adjust the rest of her responses now that she was not abandoned.

Sorry XD  cowards.. i should've double checked that 😅 I'll edit.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

I've edited, but you never responded in regards to Starlight reading Blu's mind. I want to know if that was intentional before I respond.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

16 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

I've edited, but you never responded in regards to Starlight reading Blu's mind. I want to know if that was intentional before I respond.

Oh wait let me reread that, sorry. I tend to do the rp around 5am here and meh noggen aint that awake yet Xo

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

25 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

I've edited, but you never responded in regards to Starlight reading Blu's mind. I want to know if that was intentional before I respond.

Reading Blu's mind?

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Ouff my mistake again. I saw it and fixed.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

@Illiad Easle

A railgun rifle.... 200 x the power of your rifle.... Wont that destroy blu? Since recoil and what not. I guess he'd fire it away from him. But this is still activated by magic... So you can only manage to do maximum output when you're with Starlight. Or you could do it once and go kaput, Like megumin from "konosuba"

I recall the the tank buster ( the big sniper rifle) has state of the art recoil reduction and what not and im not sure if its on par with the magical rifle.

Im also interested on the anti alicorn magic. What would happen? Would they end up singing in a loop until they lose all their magic?... Maybe i should re read that.

 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

It's not 200x more powerful than his rifle, its 200x more powerful than a handgun, it's only 4x more powerful than the original rifle he made. Most of the increase in power over a handgun is that the projectiles weigh much more than a normal bullet.

If Blu were to hold the rifle normally, the recoil would be severe, but that's what the tripod is for as well as holding it with his magic. 200x is also a max power shot, so in real applications he wouldn't typically need this much power.

In regards to the anti-alicorn song, I imagined it more as them holding a sustained note until they ran out of magic, all while unable to fly or cast any spells.

The quick cure would be to fall unconscious, but given an alicorn's robustness, that is difficult to achieve. Further, being unconscious still leaves them mostly helpless.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

I'm perfectly willing to scale back the numbers to something more reasonable. reducing its max power to only 16kj would reduce the projectile speed to only 253m/s, making it subsonic. 

I think that would be far more reasonable, right?

 

Also, in regards to the heat generated, the only places where heat would be generated is via friction, as we're not using a chemical transferrence. Unless you argue that items acted on by magic heat up as a consequence of magic.

The gun would have magnetic friction in the generator itself, and in the wires if the electrical output exceeded their conductivity. Without friction or explosives the barrel itself wouldn't overheat but I think it reasonable for the generator to get hot.

 

In regards to the energy consumption, 16 kilojoules is only 4 food calories, 160 kilojoules is only 40 food calories. So in all honestly not a lot of energy to be expended. It's also only 0.04 kilowatt hours, or 0.004 for 16 kj, and even a small generator can produce 1kwh easily.

So in all actuality energy consumption should not be a concern, nor overheating at this low level of energy. Recoil is by far the limiting factor here.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

18 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

regards to the anti-alicorn song, I imagined it more as them holding a sustained note until they ran out of magic, all while unable to fly or cast any spells.

Uuu i imagine they do hold that note. Then panic ensues hence a change of tone  on the note would produce... A very chaotic song can now be composed from the panic strucked alicorn. Hence a nice title for this not is in order.

" Last hymn of the fallen gods." Uuuuu you have anything more ominous in mind? Anyway im imagining what my eldrigch alicorn would do when she starts her note..... Hmmmmm. Im excited.....

@Illiad Easle

 

 

 

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

@Illiad Easle

About the railgun thing. I don't mind it over powered. Im just trying to grasp its functions and what ifs when using it. Would it send them flying? Wont it burn the gun? Wont the shock wave of it stun them and probably do more harm? 

Plus i don't mind it frictionless... Although its hard for me to grasp that but the barrel would still hit up right? I mean wont the electricity or the heat from the magnet transfer etc? Wont air friction or the shockwave would still cause it to heat up? I mean the railgun still heats up right? Hmmm i want to research this....

What're your thoughts?

Plus i did some research and the tank buster is only 16kj.... And that thing packs a wallop it can reap an amateurs arm off so they added recoil on the nozzle or something....

 

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Next project drawing.

 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

On 4/8/2023 at 1:43 AM, Kujamih said:

you have anything more ominous in mind?

Yes, called The Fire, but for Fuoco to play that song she'd have to sacrifice herself, and the song does not differentiate. Everyone who hears The Fire will be affected.

But Fuoco will only use it in a truly dire situation.

 

On 4/8/2023 at 1:52 AM, Kujamih said:

About the railgun thing. I don't mind it over powered. Im just trying to grasp its functions and what ifs when using it. Would it send them flying? Wont it burn the gun? Wont the shock wave of it stun them and probably do more harm? 

Plus i don't mind it frictionless... Although its hard for me to grasp that but the barrel would still hit up right? I mean wont the electricity or the heat from the magnet transfer etc? Wont air friction or the shockwave would still cause it to heat up? I mean the railgun still heats up right? Hmmm i want to research this....

What're your thoughts?

Plus i did some research and the tank buster is only 16kj.... And that thing packs a wallop it can reap an amateurs arm off so they added recoil on the nozzle or something....

Remember, this railgun is significantly scaled down from a real one, so the requirements and power consumption are greatly reduced compared to ones that exist IRL.

1. Would it sent them flying?
   1. To impart 16kj of impact energy, a 0.5 kg projectile would need to be traveling 253m/s, which would take a force of 4kn over the length of the barrel, which means an equal force would be applied in the opposite direction. If Blu weighs 200kg (Which is on the low end for ponies) he'd be accelerated backwards at 2 G's, I think that is easy enough for the spiked tripod to overcome, but he wouldn't want to brace a fully charged shot against himself.
2. Won't it burn the gun?
   1. Going back to 16kj of energy being imparted, the electromagnets are powered by wire coils, which by my best estimate lose 8% of energy to heat, we'll say 10% for simplicity of calculations. 16kjs are imparted to the projectile through the magnets, and 1.6 kj are lost as heat. 1.6 kj equates to about 1 (rounded up) Celsius Heat Unit, which is enough to raise the temperature of 1 pound of water 1 degree Celsius, Which unless the mass of wires is less than 1/20th of a pound, it shouldn't be enough to cause concern. If it were, the wires could be insulated to prevent that heat from transferring dangerously.
   2. Friction due to air resistance is imparted on the bullet, not the gun. The bullet is traveling at sub-sonic speeds, so while it will be warmer on impact, it won't be dangerously so.
3. Wont the shockwave cause damage?
   1. Reducing the output to 16kj makes the projectile sub-sonic, so no more shockwave to be concerned about. The force of impact would only affect those hit by it.
4. Would the barrel heat up?
   1. The only source of heat for the barrel is the electricity through the magnets, which we've established is not a large source of heat.
5. Does the gun heat up?
   1. I'd say it gets no hotter than a standard firearm when used.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Sorry, just climbed a mountain with my bike and my back is killing me... Had to rest a bit.

Heres midnight sparkle btw.

Apple bloom and Fuoco right now.

 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

What do you mean by: "It appears that the alicorn swapped its vocal cords with the infected pony she took hostage."?

The song Fuoco used works by hijacking the throat node to consume all of the affected pony's magic and prevent them from using any other magic in the mean time. The infected ponies shouldn't have developed throat nodes and as such would be unaffected by the song, and the only way I can think of that the alicorn could swap chords would be with magic, which she can't use because of the song.

Even if she could move the song to another pony, that wouldn't protect the alicorn from being reinfected. The song spreads to any pony who can hear it who has a developed throat node who is not actively closing it off. Given the alicorn is untrained in melodimancy, she wouldn't know how to close the node (And would be unable to while singing the song as that would be like trying to kink a firehose while the water is running) so she'd just get reinfected by the pony she moved the song to.

Not to mention the other pony would quickly run out of magic and stop singing.

 

I just need a description of what actually happened, maybe it was a misunderstanding or a miscommunication between us.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

6 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

What do you mean by: "It appears that the alicorn swapped its vocal cords with the infected pony she took hostage."?

The song Fuoco used works by hijacking the throat node to consume all of the affected pony's magic and prevent them from using any other magic in the mean time. The infected ponies shouldn't have developed throat nodes and as such would be unaffected by the song, and the only way I can think of that the alicorn could swap chords would be with magic, which she can't use because of the song.

Even if she could move the song to another pony, that wouldn't protect the alicorn from being reinfected. The song spreads to any pony who can hear it who has a developed throat node who is not actively closing it off. Given the alicorn is untrained in melodimancy, she wouldn't know how to close the node (And would be unable to while singing the song as that would be like trying to kink a firehose while the water is running) so she'd just get reinfected by the pony she moved the song to.

Not to mention the other pony would quickly run out of magic and stop singing.

 

I just need a description of what actually happened, maybe it was a misunderstanding or a miscommunication between us.

@Illiad Easle

She replaced her vocal chords with the other pony hence she has a deeper, manly voice. She did not do magic for that process.  She did grab the throat of her meat shield " crushing it." what was actually happening was she was on the process of replacing their vocal cords via transferring his body parts ala Frankenstein's monster. 

She is an eldritch horror! Muhahahaha

I was planning on crushing her own vocal chords so she'd stop singing but! She cant communicate which is important in a novel XD.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Kujamih

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

I still don't think I understand.

Did she remove her own vocal chords, and replace them with the chords from the other pony, and put her chords in the other pony?

The throat node is not part of the vocal chords, even mute ponies can perform melodimancy with instruments, the throat node covers the whole throat.

Even if it were, if at any point the alicorn's throat node were severed from her magic, the song would end, allowing Fuoco use of her magic again.

1 hour ago, Kujamih said:

she was on the process of replacing their vocal cords via transferring his body parts ala Frankenstein's monster. 

Pretty sure Frankenstein's monster was put together with surgery, do you mean to say that she surgically replaced her chords in the middle of the street?

1 hour ago, Kujamih said:

I was planning on crushing her own vocal chords so she'd stop singing but! She cant communicate which is important in a novel XD.

Even then, the song would just become breath, she'd have to totally collapse her windpipe to stop the song.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Well, she'd replace all of it. To the point that she knows that the magic isn't affecting her no more. Hence she has no more alicorn throat node but the infected ponies throat node.

( Sorry i thought throat node is considered as the vocal chord.)

In a way shed replace her throat node to the infected, quite violently.

Surgically.... Hmmm in a barbaric manner perhaps.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

Alright, so she removed her throat node while it was hijacked, continuing with the hose analogy it would be like breaking the top off of a fire hydrant, expelling her magical energy at great speed until the new node and pathway were established. Then there's the built up pressure against the much smaller node until it evens back out...

If I understand correctly, the alicorn would be in IMMENSE pain, but not nearly as disabled as Fuoco would have hoped. She would also be substantially drained, but not fully out.

Necessarily, the song is ended, as the node was cut off from the magic, so Fuoco can use melodimancy again, but the alicorn is now immune from being disabled by the song.

Despite being so weakened, Fuoco is quite outmatched against the alicorn... Should be interesting to see if her 'friends' leave her to die.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

2 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

Alright, so she removed her throat node while it was hijacked, continuing with the hose analogy it would be like breaking the top off of a fire hydrant, expelling her magical energy at great speed until the new node and pathway were established. Then there's the built up pressure against the much smaller node until it evens back out...

If I understand correctly, the alicorn would be in IMMENSE pain, but not nearly as disabled as Fuoco would have hoped. She would also be substantially drained, but not fully out.

Necessarily, the song is ended, as the node was cut off from the magic, so Fuoco can use melodimancy again, but the alicorn is now immune from being disabled by the song.

Despite being so weakened, Fuoco is quite outmatched against the alicorn... Should be interesting to see if her 'friends' leave her to die.

I mean i made some of the characters dark  weak and.... Human but theres still a hint of MLP in it. And I wouldn't let other character die out that easily.... Usually someone else dies muhahahaha

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

Per my latest post, Fuoco is adding in her emotions to similar effect as when Misty encouraged her to. Everyone who can hear her scream would have her fear and dread added to theirs. I imagine that the alicorn would be quite effected given the proximity and the surprise that Fuoco did not run when doused in fear.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih @Jesse Terrence

You seem to have something particular in mind as to how to wake Shamrock up, but I don't have a clue as to how you expect Blu to help. Is there a detail I'm missing or have forgotten?

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

31 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih @Jesse Terrence

You seem to have something particular in mind as to how to wake Shamrock up, but I don't have a clue as to how you expect Blu to help. Is there a detail I'm missing or have forgotten?

Any magic that could shock him would do.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Metals have static and what not. You can increase your knowledge in metalurgy and gain lightning application magic and some knowledge in lightning etc.