pinkypielover 24 November 14, 2012 #451 Share November 14, 2012 Hey guys, I found this epic rant on Facebook defending Discord as a villain, you should all give it a read. Keep in mind I did not right it, but I do agree with it all the way: I am disappointed in you people. You automatically hate on something that doesn't deserve it. Let me explain to you why you are all wrong. You think that in order to be a good villain, a character must have some type of motivation. This is only half true. How I see it is, by following the D&D Alignment Grid, all the main villains can be categorized under Lawful Evil or Chaotic Evil. Nightmare Moon and Chrysalis are both Lawful Evil, where the ratio percentile of Lawful-to-Evil is 50/50 for Nightmare Moon and about 30/70 for Chrysalis. Now, I believe that not only is Discord Chaotic Evil, but so is King Sombra, except, they are on opposite sides of this spectrum. Discord would have a Chaotic-to-Evil of 90/10, and King Sombra would have one of 10/90. Why is this you ask? Well, Each of the three previous main villains did indeed have circumstantial-specific motives, but you see King Sombra has either not having enough of a motive, or no motive at all, and you see that as the problem. HOWEVER, that is, in fact, the answer. King Sombra had no specific motive to do what he did. Now if you look at that from an entirely different perspective, you would understand that HAVING NO MOTIVE WHATSOEVER TO CREATE AND DO EVIL, MAKES ONE EVIL EVEN MORESO. Let me ask you this: what person would you be more afraid of - a person that targets and kills specific type of people that perhaps have a shared trait, OR, a person who randomly kills anyone he sets his eyes upon? Your answer should be the latter, since you have a chance to avoid the first by not being the type of person the would want to kill; for the latter, you have no chance of avoiding an attack. THAT, is what King Sombra is. He created suffering and misery for the ponies of the Crystal Empire by putting them through pain and torture during his rule, and HE HAD NO REASON FOR HURTING THEM EXCEPT TO SIMPLY AND UTTERLY PUT THEM THROUGH PAIN, because he felt like it. He was described to have "a heart as black as night"... shouldn't that be evidence enough that he was indeed an evil being of a very high caliber? It certainly is for me. Once again, the MLP fandom has failed in realizing the true potential behind a character, regardless of how much story-involvement they had, and simply judged based on what they saw. You disgust me. (Note: And yes, I have King Sombra as my profile pic, because I'm not blind like most of you, and developed an honest and sincere appreciation for him as a character.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreaper 136 November 14, 2012 #452 Share November 14, 2012 On 2012-11-13 at 8:31 AM, 'That Colt' said: A good amount of people on this thread have expressed their opinion on the episodes, and the characters in them, and all have failed to mention Spike in the character reviews... Really? This. It's starting to get really annoyed for me how Spike is constantly ignored as a character, in most reviews and opinions of the characters they mention the mane 6, Shining Armor, Cadance, Celestia, Luna and King Sombra... but despite having an important role in the episode, Spike is still ignored... Sad really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duidamasterXD 9,627 November 14, 2012 #453 Share November 14, 2012 (edited) I'll throw in my two cents in the Sombra debate. In my opinion he functioned well, having him there drove the plot of the episode. He is likely the most evil villain so far, not the best villain, but the most evil. The big thing that hurts him is that he never got to interact with anyone so if anything he felt much more like a force of nature than a living breathing villain. Someone pointed out that you could replace Sombra with say, a snowstorm and the plot of the episode wouldn't be greatly affected. This separates him from the general consensus best villain Discord, who got loads of interactions with the 6, and watch as he sadistically broke them. So yeah, Sombra is a good villain, just not the best the show has produced Edited November 15, 2012 by DashForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatPonyNui 6 November 15, 2012 #454 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-14 at 12:30 AM, '(SBB64/)' said: Boo! Oh well. Happens from time to time but it's still up now so I think it's just the usual 'trebuit' that hasbro likes to take to remind us who's show it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiance64 7,053 November 15, 2012 #455 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 12:58 AM, 'GreatPonyNui' said: Happens from time to time but it's still up now so I think it's just the usual 'trebuit' that hasbro likes to take to remind us who's show it is. Ah I see that, I was just a little flustered 'cuz the one I was using was taken down, but I found a new one so it's all good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD4WnDPnwKw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Spark 7,807 November 15, 2012 #456 Share November 15, 2012 for the ones who mentioned why people didn't add Spike as a character in the reviews, I speak for myself and I'll say that Spike was like a neutral character to me and I even think of having him included in my list but everything I saw about him in the episodes was highly expectable. He was still the same cute, little, naive, good baby dragon we are used to see, but due to the circunstatnces he was forced into having a major role in the episodes. I wasn't disappointed nor impressed with his appearance and development, everything I saw, it what I expected from him. My OC's: Motion Spark || Beat Spark || Rosebelle Sorry, I don't take REQUESTS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconutbunny 121 November 15, 2012 #457 Share November 15, 2012 G.O.A.T Episodes in the series by far. The production was amazing, they used Spike in a way where it was actually believable, the villian could've had bit more screen time but he was awesome netherless (I honestly think him hardley having any backstory creates an awesome mystery), the design from the crystal empire to the sound and music numbers were great, I also think each of the mane 6 showed great character too. If I had to critizise something, it would probably be how Shining Armour got sombra herpes on his horn and that stupid GAK thing. Seriously, the lamest joke to ever come out of the brony fandom, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygen 6,066 November 15, 2012 #458 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 1:16 AM, '(SBB64/)' said: Ah I see that, I was just a little flustered 'cuz the one I was using was taken down, but I found a new one so it's all good. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD4WnDPnwKw I thought when i first read your message that they had taken all of the episode 1's of s3 out.. Thankfully they didn't. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to watch them.I hope that hasbro never goes to do that kinda thing. I wanna be able to watch them, but I can't if i don't have youtube. 1 Thanks to Gone Airbourne for the awesome sig! My Oc's, Ponysona, Bella Vocal Covers Blog, MLP Covers Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreaper 136 November 15, 2012 #459 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 1:48 AM, 'Motion Spark' said: for the ones who mentioned why people didn't add Spike as a character in the reviews, I speak for myself and I'll say that Spike was like a neutral character to me and I even think of having him included in my list but everything I saw about him in the episodes was highly expectable. He was still the same cute, little, naive, good baby dragon we are used to see, but due to the circunstatnces he was forced into having a major role in the episodes. I wasn't disappointed nor impressed with his appearance and development, everything I saw, it what I expected from him. I'm sorry, but ignoring Spike just because of that is a pretty lame excuse. After all you posted your opinion of Shining Armor in one single word. Also I could argue that the behavior of each of the mane 6 in the episode was the same as always have been, but they're still funny to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Spark 7,807 November 15, 2012 #460 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 4:22 AM, 'dreaper' said: I'm sorry, but ignoring Spike just because of that is a pretty lame excuse. After all you posted your opinion of Shining Armor in one single word. Also I could argue that the behavior of each of the mane 6 in the episode was the same as always have been, but they're still funny to watch. but the mane6 are still the mane6, they are the main subject of reviews, I added Princess Cadence and Shining Armor, because they were featured characters that who knows when we are going to be able to see them again. It's kinda hard to explain Spike's situation though, he had relevance in the show, but at the same time I didn't feel like putting him in the review because he wasn't relevant enough, he behaved like he should, he did what I expect. He just had a more important role during the premiere, that's it.And I know that the mane6 also acted like them, but they are the main characters. My OC's: Motion Spark || Beat Spark || Rosebelle Sorry, I don't take REQUESTS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiance64 7,053 November 15, 2012 #461 Share November 15, 2012 Hey, I just noticed something: Brother and sister both in blood and messed up horns~ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupus 127 November 15, 2012 #462 Share November 15, 2012 That could have been excellent, but there were 3 flaws -1) Pinkie was ULTRA annoying! 2) Sombra was a bit....dull 3) that bloody song and it was reprised at the end! The other song, in the middle, was great. Applejack had some great lines. The joust between Rainbow and Fluttershy was epic. Twilight and Spike's quest worked very well. Cadence and Shining Armour actually had a good role for being in the story. Rarity and the hats was kind of amusing. Overall, I could only give it a 7, not least cos when the bloody song started up again I didn't even watch to the closing credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blaze 28 November 15, 2012 #463 Share November 15, 2012 This episode had some nice twists, like how an unexpected character saved the Crystal Empire. You know, Sombra kept reminding me of Ganon from the Legend of Zelda series. Kinda creepy. "Dreams are like memories, and memories are as dreams." -a quote by me "Love is like an elusive beast, clever, only showing itself to those it deems worthy. Otherwise, it is just an illusion." -another quote by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Swarm 14 November 15, 2012 #464 Share November 15, 2012 Do you believe Sombra may return? or his influence could corrupt somepony? I liked this episode, and it seemed to hint things that could be important in the future. Season 3 is going to be amazing. After foggy and funereal daysIn a mixture of sadness and devotion,memory and mental escapeI take back my lifeA bit confused, but more conscious of my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Wingkins 27 November 15, 2012 #465 Share November 15, 2012 Okay, few days late to be gushing. Or am I? Anyhow. That episode was, how do I put this... /)^3^( SO AWESOME! Sombra was a tad, well sparse I guess is the only term for it. Though the parts he was in definitely shined! But the whole Sombra crystals on Shining Armor was a little weird. I was giggling to myself through the entire episode(s). Cannot WAIT for the next one! PIE. Lot's of pie. And bacon, and Dr. Pepper, and popcorn, and hot cocoa. Buck it, if it's junk food I'll eat it! My OC http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/thunder-twister-r1284 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princes Cadance 345 November 15, 2012 #466 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 2:48 PM, 'Chrysalis Swarm' said: Do you believe Sombra may return? or his influence could corrupt somepony? I liked this episode, and it seemed to hint things that could be important in the future. Season 3 is going to be amazing. I do agree with you, it seemed to hint at whats to come in season 3, overall the storyline was good I just didn't like how it was written out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winona the Dog 1,984 November 15, 2012 #467 Share November 15, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 2:48 PM, 'Chrysalis Swarm' said: Do you believe Sombra may return? I did have a theroy that maybe he could because he has regenerative powers so it may be possible but until we see that we can only confirm hes "dead". Especially since he seems to be a master at using dark magic he may hold some influence over anyone using dark magic Celestia and Twilight included. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twango 39 November 15, 2012 #468 Share November 15, 2012 Anyone have a working S3:E1-2 on YT? ;3 ~Like a Bau5~ ^^^^^^^^ We all know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaticArc 15 November 15, 2012 #469 Share November 15, 2012 Season three is going to be gaking amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongarnet77 47 November 16, 2012 #470 Share November 16, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 3:01 AM, 'Galaxyzqt' said: G.O.A.T Episodes in the series by far. The production was amazing, they used Spike in a way where it was actually believable, the villian could've had bit more screen time but he was awesome netherless (I honestly think him hardley having any backstory creates an awesome mystery), the design from the crystal empire to the sound and music numbers were great, I also think each of the mane 6 showed great character too. If I had to critizise something, it would probably be how Shining Armour got sombra herpes on his horn and that stupid GAK thing. Seriously, the lamest joke to ever come out of the brony fandom, period. I can think of other things. Like the mane 6 being a little underdressed for going into the arctic. It is constantly below freezing. they could've at least worn a sweater, or their stuff from Winter Wrap-up. 1 (sig was made by Bari) Red like roses fills my dreams and bring me to the place you rest White is cold and always yearning, burdened by a royal test Black the beast descends from shadows Yellow beauty burns gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKB 32 November 16, 2012 #471 Share November 16, 2012 (edited) Another guy and me were chatting on Tumblr (via the Ask thingy on our askblogs) about how weird the 90s were, and I brought up Legends of the Hidden Temple. He replied that the Crystal Empire episode could basically be condensed into a run through the Temple. Here's what I came up with in response: 'Olmec' said: You might start in the Crystal Throne Room. Find the crystal, and it may unlock the door to the hidden staircase. Descend the staircase into the Pit of Despair where you will find The Door To Your Worst Fear. Find the correct incantation to open the door, but be warned - the wrong one might summon a Temple Guard! Ascend the staircase to the Room of the Crystal Heart, but don't get trapped in the crystal vines! Take the Crystal Heart, race down the Crystal Pathway and back to the exit. The choices are yours and yours alone. Good luck! On 2012-11-10 at 8:23 PM, 'SonOfTheNorthe' said: (My current headcanon: Sombra escaped the glacier he was trapped in, went to Celestia, shit happened, and then they became drinking buddies. Sombra agrees to bring back the Crystal Empire and pretend to take over it for Twilight's test.) Someone needs to draw Sombra and Celestia as drinking buddies. Now. Edited November 16, 2012 by MarkKB 1 Stuff I work on: Artwork | Fanfics | The Askblog List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazen Gears 7 November 16, 2012 #472 Share November 16, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 10:31 PM, 'StaticArc' said: Season three is going to be gaking amazing. On 2012-11-16 at 5:23 AM, 'JTAC' said: gak Would you quit the Gakken jokes! (hehehe, wait. Am I being hypocritical?) I don't think GAK will go away anytime soon. Just wait until tomorrow's livestream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Star 33 November 16, 2012 #473 Share November 16, 2012 On 2012-11-15 at 2:48 PM, 'Chrysalis Swarm' said: Do you believe Sombra may return? or his influence could corrupt somepony? I liked this episode, and it seemed to hint things that could be important in the future. Season 3 is going to be amazing. If you remember at the end, his body was disintegrated, however his horn went off flying, so it is very likey he is going to return with a vengance. So hopefully, he will be a main villan and through out the series it will reveal more and more about him so we can get more of a feel for his character. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistressRarity 2 November 16, 2012 #474 Share November 16, 2012 On 2012-11-10 at 4:02 PM, 'DeltaTangent' said: Luna has something in the future apparently, excited to see what is going to happen. She had a magic book and all, so something is definitely is store. I really thought that her book looked alot more like a journal of sorts. I guess we'll see tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupus 127 November 17, 2012 #475 Share November 17, 2012 I guess I was a bit unfair to Pinkie Watching it again last night, I could appreciate her humour more. I also saw the dark look that Luna gave to Twilight at the end, no doubt jealous/annoyed that everyone else got the glory and not herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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