Letting a real stallion rule Equestria instead of two sisters?

[sampsoninc916 27]

It seems that the show has a hard time establishing which power is the greatest in the pony world, including the country of Equestria. Saddle Arabia is a country, much like Equestria, so Equestria is a country. However, I was thinking that Twilight Sparkle, during her exile in Magic Duel, would warn Celestia about Trixie's takeover of Ponyville, soon to be Equestria, and she would ask the mane 6 to use the Elements of Harmony, because those things haven't been used since Discord turned Ponyville upside down. I also wanted Princess Celestia to come in and defeat Trixie just to make up to the fans for getting defeated by Queen Chrysalis and reestablishing herself as the most powerful equine in Equestria. But neither of the above happened. When is Celestia going to prove that she's a force to be reckoned with among the enemies of Equestria and that she, Twilight's friends, and Shining Armor all love Twilight no matter what she does? The Elements of Harmony were only used twice in this series, and they were not used three times, against Chrysalis, King Sombra, and Trixie. Why don't they throw the Elements of Harmony away in the trash? Why do I want Celestia to make a comeback and makeup to the fans for losing to Queen Chrysalis by actually kicking the booty of a bad guy or monster, yet I found over the course of five new episodes that it never happened? Luna hardly does anything on this show, compared to Celestia, who's done quite a good bunch in this show. I keep on thinking that the royal sisters should just step down from power and have a real alicorn stallion take the reins of ruling Equestria. One where the subjects are certain that he'll be all right, because when he gets beaten, he gets back up. Why did Celestia die twice and resurrect herself twice in A Canterlot Wedding Part 2? An alicorn stallion never should die so easily against an attack from the Changeling Queen. Why do I want Celestia, Twilight's friends, and Shining Armor to love her no matter what she does? I don't want pure hatred (I don't mean fake hatred) among allies on this show, because this show is all about friendship and loyalty, not the opposite.

 

-P.S. I believe I'm being irrational here, but I would like decent answers to my questions anyway, yet I did have a dream a few nights ago that reindeer existed in Equestria. Tis' the season, bronies.

[Yellow Diamond 7,569]

Question: when did Celestia die? Chrysalis incapacitated her, but she wasn't killed. That was evident through the end of the episode.

 

In any case, I'm not certain what your main question is. Are you asking why Celestia hasn't personally defeated more enemies?

[Jokuc 8,173]

Well it seems like it works just fine with female rulers. I don't think war is something requested in Equestria, therefor they let females rule. Though I wonder, why haven't Celestia gotten herself a stallion after all those 1000+ years..?

[sampsoninc916 27]

Actually, my question is three questions. I'm not asking if Celestia hasn't personally defeated more enemies, because I know she has. But here are my questions:

 

1. When will Celestia prove that she's a force to be reckoned with among enemies of Equestria and still be the most powerful Equine in that country, magicwise.

2. When will the Elements of Harmony be used again? They haven't been used ever since Discord literally turned Ponyville upside down.

3. Why do I want Celestia, Twilight's friends, and Shining Armor to love Twilight no matter what she does, even barging in childishly and making accusations against a fake bride?

[Yellow Diamond 7,569]

1. Who knows? The show doesn't much revolve around Celestia. Since she can control the cycles of the sun and moon, it is quite evident that she already wields an enormous amount of power.

 

2. Likely when another enormous threat appears, though the writers seem to be moving toward subverting the usage of the Elements as the ultimate weapons against evil. They did try to use them in "A Canterlot Wedding"; Chrysalis simply beat them to the punch.

 

3. It helps when, in hindsight, Twilight was proven correct in her suspicions. Now that Twilight has shown her intuition to be steadily improving, one would imagine everypony around her would place more faith in her judgment. There has yet to be another instance wherein faith in Twilight's judgment is tested.

[Jammo 986]

Equestria is a matriarchal society.

500 years ago pony rights were much worse though.  Stallions were confined to small rooms, fed mouldy hay and water and used only when breeding season was in effect.  Like plants raised in cells for their genetic material where all the females live like freaking amazons in ancient Equestria while the men aren't even sure if there is an outside world.

[Obsidian_Winter 1,159]

Yeah...this is a confusing thread. Celestia has made it clear she doesn't have the power she once had because Luna and her don't weild the Elements anymore. Queen Crys defeated her only because the love Candance and Shining had was that strong. Anyway, thinks work with females in charge. Its better this way....trust me.

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

Considering that the next highest ranking member of the royal family is Blueblood, we're probably better off the way we are now. I'd let the CMC run the country before I gave the throne to Blueblood.

Edited December 7, 2012 by DashForever

[Auryn 95]

At first I thought this was going to be a sexist debate. Celestia is a mare, NOT a stallion. I have a long list of questions regarding her reign as well. We really just need to wait until the show tells us the answers. I personally think of Celestia and Luna as goddesses more than I do rulers.

[iLegovideo 152]

 why haven't Celestia gotten herself a stallion after all those 1000+ years..?

Simple. No stallion is good enough for her But in all seriousness, maybe she's immortal? Which is illogical, but believable. Maybe...um...she uses...a lot of anti-aging cream? Well, Celestia dying is basically the sun dying, so it would be eternal night. (Avatar, much?)

[himanuts 165]

Being a good leader doesn't mean you have to always do fighting and confrontation. A leader is simply a member of a team. The team member who plans things out and calls the shots, because they have the nack for that type of thing. Be it because of experience or because it just comes natural to them. Celestia is over a millenium old, she has experience not that many beings have. While she'll screw up sometimes, like everybody does, the role she takes in the show is fine. 

[Jammo 986]

Simple. No stallion is good enough for her But in all seriousness, maybe she's immortal? Which is illogical, but believable. Maybe...um...she uses...a lot of anti-aging cream? Well, Celestia dying is basically the sun dying, so it would be eternal night. (Avatar, much?)

 Alicorns are much larger than your average pony.  I don't know how well stallions can perform given the size difference.

... I suddenly feel very dirty.  I'm gonna be in the shower, scrubbing thoroughly with soap (including the mouth as I mouthed these words as I typed them)  Lord help me.

[Firelord Derpy 310]

Being a good leader doesn't mean you have to always do fighting and confrontation. A leader is simply a member of a team. The team member who plans things out and calls the shots, because they have the nack for that type of thing. Be it because of experience or because it just comes natural to them. Celestia is over a millenium old, she has experience not that many beings have. While she'll screw up sometimes, like everybody does, the role she takes in the show is fine. 

Exactly! Bingo! right on the money! I always dislike when people assume that if you're a good fighter you're a good leader.

Take King Richard the Lion Heart. History tends to think of him as a great leader and while that may be true on the battlefield the fact is that his country was bankrupted by his wars and he was a terrible leader to those under his rule. 

 

Flashy warrior leaders may give the people something to look to but if they don't understand economics, politics, diplomacy, reason, logic, money, history, logistics, and more then the country is not going to do well in the long run. And from what we have seen Equestria is very prosperous meaning that, while Celestia may not be a strong warrior anymore, she is more then capable of running a nation smoothly. 

Edited December 7, 2012 by Firelord Derpy

[goldenHoof 49]

I like the idea of a stalion alicorn and I was thinking about it too but I'm afraid that to do that bronys must take over the show.

 

So on that though I think Loran Foust isn't that interested in the show that much so maybe it's time a brony took her place?

[Yellow Diamond 7,569]

I like the idea of a stalion alicorn and I was thinking about it too but I'm afraid that to do that bronys must take over the show.

 

So on that though I think Loran Foust isn't that interested in the show that much so maybe it's time a brony took her place?

 

Lauren is no longer supervising the production of the show due to other commitments, but her basic framework obviously endures. Jayson Thiessen has been the showrunner (i.e., the one who manages day-to-day operations) since the second season.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Jayson and the rest of the crew are bronies through and through. There's no need to replace them.

[goldenHoof 49]

Lauren is no longer supervising the production of the show due to other commitments, but her basic framework obviously endures. Jayson Thiessen has been the showrunner (i.e., the one who manages day-to-day operations) since the second season.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Jayson and the rest of the crew are bronies through and through. There's no

need to replace them.

Well that's good to know but still why don't they make a small change in royalty character development

and have Luna get more scene time.

[*Jewel*Heartlight* 7]

Well most tv shows, especially kids shows tend to lean to the male audience, with a hint of female influence. I really like how this a show catering to more of the female gender with a slight male influence. And I like how the show isn't much for romance. Yes there are a few cute episodes here and there. Like hearts and hooves day. Oh and don't doubt female power. We can be just as strong and good leaders any stallion. And don't forget, there are stallions in high positions. Like shining armor. The captian of th e royal guard. And if not for marrying Cadence, was probably Celestia's personal body guard in my opinion lol. I'm sure there are people wanting a prominate male figure in the show, but honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon

[Yellow Diamond 7,569]

Well that's good to know but still why don't they make a small change in royalty character development

and have Luna get more scene time.

Luna appears at points in "The Crystal Empire." The writers appear to have something in mind for her as she is carrying around that unidentified book which has led to so much speculation.

 

A lot of fans are eager to know more about the princesses. I'm sure the writers are willing to oblige---so long as it is consistent with the narrative.

[Alex Kennedy 1,228]

Actually, my question is three questions. I'm not asking if Celestia hasn't personally defeated more enemies, because I know she has. But here are my questions:

 

1. When will Celestia prove that she's a force to be reckoned with among enemies of Equestria and still be the most powerful Equine in that country, magicwise.

2. When will the Elements of Harmony be used again? They haven't been used ever since Discord literally turned Ponyville upside down.

3. Why do I want Celestia, Twilight's friends, and Shining Armor to love Twilight no matter what she does, even barging in childishly and making accusations against a fake bride?

1. I think the reason she hasn't done more recently is because twilight is becoming more capable and thus able to solve her own problems.

 

2. Honestly, I don't know why the elements of harmony haven't been used more, although what exactly the elements are capable of has never been made clear.

 

3. I can understand why you might want to see Twilight's friends stand by her, but to be fair that seemed like a jackass move at the time.

[Spring Storm 276]

Actually, my question is three questions. I'm not asking if Celestia hasn't personally defeated more enemies, because I know she has. But here are my questions:

 

1. When will Celestia prove that she's a force to be reckoned with among enemies of Equestria and still be the most powerful Equine in that country, magicwise.

2. When will the Elements of Harmony be used again? They haven't been used ever since Discord literally turned Ponyville upside down.

3. Why do I want Celestia, Twilight's friends, and Shining Armor to love Twilight no matter what she does, even barging in childishly and making accusations against a fake bride?

 

1. Celestia probably has quite a bit of magical power, though she's probably not as powerful as she once was due to no longer being connected to the Elements.

 

2. I was actually wondering that too. It was explained why they didn't use them in A Canterlot Wedding, and I guess the reason they didn't use them in The Crystal Empire was because Twilight was told she had to save them empire herself. But, in Magic Duel, when Zecora said, "use the six", I immediately thought Twilight was going to go get the Elements. Maybe she just didn't have a way to access them without Trixie knowing.

 

3. Twilight's friends do love her, but the reason they turned against her was because they had reason to believe that Twi was being overprotective of her brother and there was nothing really wrong. But in most cases, Twilight's friends have her back.

 

Also, I think the fact that two sisters rule enhances the integrity of the show. We need more cartoons with strong female leads. I don't think a stallion should rule Equestria, however I do think Shining Armor could use a little more screen time, as he is a very strong male character, and we haven't seen too many strong male characters on the show.

Edited December 7, 2012 by Spring Storm

[WWAPD 126]

I don't know about you guys, but I was waiting for Luna to step in during the entire season 2 finale.

 

I kind of think that Luna should have less of a back-burner role, and be of more assistance in ruling over equestria with her sister.

 

Putting a stallion in charge? You do realize that this is still a girls tv show, and that all of the main characters(by that I mean the mane 6) are female. And besides, a king stallion just wouldn't be able to give Twilight the guidance she needs for her studies.

 

As for the elements of harmony, I don't think they should be used any more than they already are. It would just get old after a while if every problem was solved the same way.

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

I don't know about you guys, but I was waiting for Luna to step in during the entire season 2 finale.

 

I kind of think that Luna should have less of a back-burner role, and be of more assistance in ruling over equestria with her sister.

 

Putting a stallion in charge? You do realize that this is still a girls tv show, and that all of the main characters(by that I mean the mane 6) are female. And besides, a king stallion just wouldn't be able to give Twilight the guidance she needs for her studies.

 

As for the elements of harmony, I don't think they should be used any more than they already are. It would just get old after a while if every problem was solved the same way.

I pretty much agree with all of this, except I wouldn't mind it if they busted out the Elements again. It's been 29 episodes since they've used them. If anything feels overused to me it's beating the villain with some kind of Cadence related love shockwave, since they did that two episodes in a row. As long as they had to struggle before using the Elements I feel like it would be fine.

 

Although it would be cool if they beat the next villain in an entirely new way.

[sampsoninc916 27]

Actually, my question is three questions. I'm not asking if Celestia hasn't personally defeated more enemies, because I know she has. But here are my questions:

 

1. Celestia probably has quite a but of magical power, though she's probably not as powerful as she once was due to no longer being connected to the Elements.

 

2. I was actually wondering that too. It was explained why they didn't use them in A Canterlot Wedding, and I guess the reason they didn't use them in The Crystal Empire was because Twilight was told she had to save them empire herself. But, in Magic Duel, when Zecora said, "use the six", I immediately thought Twilight was going to go get the Elements. Maybe she just didn't have a way to access them without Trixie knowing.

 

3. Twilight's friends do love her, but the reason they turned against her was because they had reason to believe that Twi was being overprotective of her brother and there was nothing really wrong. But in most cases, Twilight's friends have her back.

 

Also, I think the fact that two sisters rule enhances the integrity of the show. We need more cartoons with strong female leads. I don't think a stallion should rule Equestria, however I do think Shining Armor could use a little more screen time, as he is a very strong male character, and we haven't seen too many strong male characters on the show.

3. Well, I presume that they wanted Twilight to learn a little lesson about not acting like she did, and then come back and give her some comfort and loving because they stuck by her for so long, they wouldn't even dare leave her forever because of just acting a little childish.

[XrosOver 613]

No...just no. Celestia and Luna have been the greatest monarchs in recorded equestrian history. They beat Discord, and Sombra without much challenge. The only reason Celestia and Luna are not taking the front lines is that they used to use the Elements of Harmony and now that role is played by 6 colorful young mares. They stay in the home land preparing for the worst case scenario.

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

1. Celestia doing everything = boring

2. Using the Elements of Harmony every time something evil comes along = boring.

3. She was proven right, and even the villain mocked everyone else for not listening.

 

As for having a stallion rule - the only two male rulers so far have been 1. Discord - an egotistical reality warper with a sadistic and twisted sense of humour, and 2. Sombra - a shadow-wielding tyrant who enslaved an entire empire and ruled through fear. The only other male Royalty we've seen (Blueblood) is a self-absorbed, prissy wuss who is clearly unable to lead due to a extreme case of head-in-flank disease. So yeah, all told, the female rulers have a much better track record, even accounting for Queen Chrysalis. The only stallions I would consider as being able to lead are Fancy Pants and Big Macintosh.

 

Lastly, until we actually see a male alicorn, it's possible that they could be an exclusively female race.

Edited December 7, 2012 by Full Spectrum