Will Twilight's transition to alicorn princess be permanent?

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

I've been thinking about that Spike storyboard strip, and I'm actually inclined to think that it'll play out a lot like the episode where Spike leaves to live with dragons or when he leaves because of Twilight's pet owl. (Don't make me spell it...) Spike has a freak out over something and wants to go, but Twilight convinces him to stay because of reason X. I couldn't see a situation where Spike gets upset about it and the moral is "If you moan about something you don't like then you'll get your way." (Which may seem hypocritical coming from someone like me... but anyway... XD ) I also can't see the rest of the mane six getting annoyed about it either, since Twilight isn't exactly snubbing them.

 

As for the 'toy-line' theory, it's very possible that we'll just see alicorn Twi toys as the normal ones in the future, but without the crown and dress. Just because she's part of the 'Princess Coronation' line doesn't mean that Twilicorn can't be part of the normal line once season 4 hits.

 

One thing that I think should be considered is the first ever interview on the subject that Meghan gave saying that they were "building a mythology about what 'princess' means in Equestria". I think this likely ties in with the Crystal Spell book, whereby Twilight can call her friends equals and doesn't have to sacrifice friendship to be a princess. 'Building a mythology' sounds an awful lot like something that would require permanent continuation. Otherwise, they're just building it up to break it down again.

 

As for the writers scrabbling to change it back so they don't lose fans, despite the initial freak-out, most people don't mind too much now that they know Twilight will stay in Ponyville. I could only see them change it back for this reason if season 4 sucked and people blamed it all on Twilicorn. Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of season 4 stuff was underway before Twilicorn was even hinted at. There's no way they could have a 'quick re-write' after people got up in arms.

 

However, I think by far biggest thing that points to it being permanent is that it was Lauren Faust's vision to have Twilight supplant Celestia, and at the Las Pegasus convention when asked why Twilight became an alicorn the answer was, "she was always going to become an alicorn."

 

The '3-parter' thing is IMO simply because they need time to fully integrate Twilicorn into the group and explain everything, which the season 3 finale didn't do. My prediction is that Twilight is learning about princess-hood and is offered the chance to live in Canterlot, but this causes the mane six to get upset. At some point, a villain shows up, (possibly Star-swirl, which would makes sense since he'd be jealous about not being able to reach alicorn status) the Elements of Harmony defeat him/her and the episode ends with Twi deciding to stay in Ponyville. (At least, that's how I think it's going to turn out. I'm honestly keeping a note of that idea because I think it's very possible)

 

I guess the only other thing that might point to it being temporary is that there's no explicit comment from the writers or Hasbro that says, "We can confirm that the change will be completely permanent." However, I've not seen an interview question that asked about this, they just asked about the changes and what they would mean. I'm not even sure why they'd make such a statement.

 

I still say the evidence points to it being permanent, but I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, have a bro-hoof.

Do you have any other piece of evidence that it's temporary, aside from a lack of explicit comment saying "Twilicorn is permanent"? If so, do you think you'd find time to research it? Edited March 10, 2013 by Commander_PonyShep

[Ficta_Scriptor 165]

Do you have any other piece of evidence that it's temporary, aside from a lack of explicit comment saying "Twilicorn is permanent"? If so, do you think you'd find time to research it?

 

I've tried. Believe it or not, my discovery of most of those points I made were down to me looking for potential evidence that it would be temporary, but I couldn't find anything.

 

I did find a link that says about the season 4 opener focusing on Twilight's fears and questions about being a princess, (scroll down to the bullet points) but I don't think that should be construed as "she's going to get too nervous and just quit." It's obvious that she'd have worries regardless of what happens in the episode. It's Twilight, for crying out loud. She freaked out over handing a friendship report in late so she's certain to get anxious about becoming a princess.

 

Interesting point somewhere down the page, they CONFIRM THAT KING SOMBRA IS DEAD.   Gotta say, I'm actually taken aback by this.

[SparklingTwilight 109]

Well, as much as I'd love they be temporary, I'm pretty sure she's gonna keep her wings. It's been confirmed that she'll be staying in Ponyville anyway, so there wouldn't be much reason for her to lose them.

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

Well, as much as I'd love they be temporary, I'm pretty sure she's gonna keep her wings. It's been confirmed that she'll be staying in Ponyville anyway, so there wouldn't be much reason for her to lose them.

But think about Rarity! She would be so jealous that Applejack and Rainbow Dash still have their same-species counterparts, Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy, respectively, while she loses her own same-species counterpart in the form of Twilight Sparkle!

 

I believe Rarity had the most bad-luck throughout the entire show, compared to the rest of the Mane Six, with Applejack in second-place. She's portrayed as greedy and selfish, and received the least character-development of the six main ponies. She had no appearance in Luna Eclipsed, and she had no Season Three episode of her own. Hell, Spike At Your Service was originally meant to be a Rarity episode, before they turned it into an Applejack one, just because they felt Rarity was too "mean".

 

This implies that the writers somehow hate Rarity, and by turning Twilight into an alicorn, they're stripping her of her own same-species counterpart, thus reinforcing that hate!

[~Scootaloo 440]

This is just a theory...

 

I was thinking that it could be a possibility that in Season 4. Twilight wakes up and it happens to be all just one big dream she had. This could be a way for the show to revert Twilight back to a unicorn (if that is what they want to do anyway).

 

Thoughts?

[Skygunner 352]

That is up there with "kill everyone in the end"  in writing cliches that are pretty awful.    And that's what it would be, poor writing.   Just give it time.  

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

The "It was all a dream" ending is actually the writers directly saying the "We screwed up, let's start over" ending. So no, I doubt they're going to change it in such a way.

[MelancholicMemory 2,025]

"It was all just a dream" is one of the biggest cop outs in all of writing, and it really has no place anymore outside of comedy. It's a terrible cliche.

[~Scootaloo 440]

The "It was all a dream" ending is actually the writers directly saying the "We screwed up, let's start over" ending. So no, I doubt they're going to change it in such a way.

 

 

"It was all just a dream" is one of the biggest cop outs in all of writing, and it really has no place anymore outside of comedy. It's a terrible cliche

It's better than having a garbage Season 4 and watching the show flail. I could live with a fresh start assuming they do it well over.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

It's better than having a garbage Season 4 and watching the show flail. I could live with a fresh start assuming they do it well over.

I liked the finale, I don't think Twilight changed much, the show itself didn't change much, and I definitely don't think we can determine at this point whether or not it will ruin Season 4.

[King 5,625]

The "Just a dream" Plot spoilers are only used in the worst of stories....

I have my own theory/idea of how things may turn out, but I will save that for a little later  ;D

[MelancholicMemory 2,025]

It's better than having a garbage Season 4 and watching the show flail. I could live with a fresh start assuming they do it well over.

Don't get me wrong. They totally should revert Twilicorn back to the Twilight we all know and love, but they shouldn't turn to such base writing techniques to do it. There's lots of better ways they could do it. Some could actually make this whole Twiliicorn thing seem brilliant in retrospect, if it was planned for all along.

[~Scootaloo 440]

So is the "Just a dream" thing like one of the deadly sins in writing? it seems like everyone would be p.o.'ed if this actually happened.

[MelancholicMemory 2,025]

So is the "Just a dream" thing like one of the deadly sins in writing? it seems like everyone would be p.o.'ed if this actually happened.

It is a trope that is only okay when you're making fun of it. If they actually did that, it'd be a worse decision on the part of the writers than Twilicorn.

[Blackcat 205]

I wouldn't mind seeing this, assuming that it wasn't really a dream. Give me a moment to clarify. Say Twilight wakes up in a world where none of her friendship/alicorny-ness has happened and starts freaking out. She could then spend the rest of the episode trying to figure out just what reality is the real one. you could end it in such a way that she gets back to the normal ponyville world, but you can't be 100% sure that she didn't just start dreaming again. 

 

I like that kind of  iffy reality. It changes the dream thing from a cop-out, into a brain bender.

[ProjectRKA 2,848]

It's better than having a garbage Season 4 and watching the show flail. I could live with a fresh start assuming they do it well over.

Honestly, you don't know anything about season 4 yet, so how can you say it's going to flail ? I'm sure that the writers know what they're doing, and that they're going to give us an epic season. And I personally hope that the hub will keep their mouths shut about the episodes... there was too many spoilers in season 3... 

[~Scootaloo 440]

Let's drop it and I'll leave you with this...

 

"See, you're assuming I won't shoot your sorry a-s, and everyone knows when you make an assumption, you make an a-s outta you, and umption." - Samuel Jackson

[Twinhead B 482]

It's plausible, but that sort of cop out would probably anger more fans than simply keeping her an Alicorn, or changing her back by the end of Season 4 Episode 2..

 

I know I'd be upset.

[Dark Qiviut 22,443]

This idea is only plausible within the context of fanwork. In the professional level, it comes across as a cheap copout, telling the audience, "I'm sorry. We screwed up." It's a retcon that doesn't work there, particularly with a writing and production crew that rides on telling stories that don't stoop to such lowbrow clichés. Twinhead B would be upset, and so would I as a very vocal critic of the Twilicorn; DHX and the writers take pride on writing and producing high-quality entertainment. This excuse falls to typical bullshit excuses that have plagued family-friendly entertainment for years. If her wings are sacrificed somehow and someway, it'll have to be much more creative than that and must fit within the context of the MLP:FIM universe and the characters themselves.

Edited March 11, 2013 by Dark Qiviut

[Twinhead B 482]

This idea is only plausible within the context of fanwork. In the professional level, it comes across as a cheap copout, telling the audience, "I'm sorry. We screwed up." It's a retcon that doesn't work there, particularly with a writing and production crew that rides on telling stories that don't stoop to such lowbrow clichés. Twinhead B would be upset, and so would I as a very vocal critic of the Twilicorn; DHX and the writers take pride on writing and producing high-quality entertainment. This excuse falls to typical bullshit excuses that have plagued family-friendly entertainment for years. If her wings are sacrificed somehow and someway, it'll have to be much more creative than that and must fit within the context of the MLP:FIM universe and the characters themselves.

 

Exactly.

 

Sacrificing wings/royalty for friends/the greater good is a much more acceptable retcon than: "It was all a dream, LOL!!!!!"

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

Back before Princess Twilicorn was officially confirmed, Tara Strong and Meghan McCarthy were constantly denying that it will happen, despite a lot of people generating rumors that they were lying.

 

I just hope they're simply trolling with us again, like they did when they denied that Twilicorn is not going to happen. Eventually, the writers are going to cave-in to our desire to see Twilight as a unicorn and an equal to her friends, rather than some overpowered Mary Sue who no longer needs her friends. And when that happens, they'll have the S4 premiere return Twilight into a unicorn by the end. The reason they aren't confirming or denying this is simply to avoid spoilers, and because of the Non-Disclosure Agreement.

 

I mean, they lied to us about Princess Twilicorn not happening just to avoid spoilers, so surely they're lying to us about a permanent Princess Twilicorn again. Right?

Edited March 12, 2013 by Commander_PonyShep

[Planty 1,053]

I like this idea, I've been out of the loop for a while and didn't know that twilight turning back into a unicorn was even on the table.

 

I imagine not spoiling things is high on the agenda for them, shame toy lines seem to spoil so much anyways.

 

I'm personally still waiting to see fluttershy as a dragon? or did that happen and i just missed it ><!

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

I like this idea, I've been out of the loop for a while and didn't know that twilight turning back into a unicorn was even on the table.

 

I imagine not spoiling things is high on the agenda for them, shame toy lines seem to spoil so much anyways.

 

I'm personally still waiting to see fluttershy as a dragon? or did that happen and i just missed it ><!

Well, for me, that idea does the following:

1. Turns Twilight into an overpowered Mary Sue who no longer needs her friends.
2. Strips Rarity of her own same-species counterpart, while Applejack and Rainbow Dash still have Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy, respectively.
3. Makes the other five main ponies feel like that they were just used as tools to turn one of their own into a god-Sue, all while they get nothing in-exchange other than a congratulatory cheer from a crowd of ponies.
4. Keeps Twilight away from her friends and studies, just so that she could focus more on countless other ponies' problems.  And no, I highly doubt Twilight will stay in Ponyville for her studies and friends; again, remember how they lied that Twilicorn wasn't going to happen?

EDIT: Oh, and they lied about killing off Derpy Hooves, too, only to bring her back for the S3 finale.  I hope they're lying about keeping Princess Twilicorn, and that they're simply dropping hints of her permanence just to avoid spoiling the ending to the S4 premiere (Twilight becomes a unicorn again; how, I've yet to see).

Edited March 12, 2013 by Commander_PonyShep

[Planty 1,053]

@@Commander_PonyShep, I don't think it will change that much despite what they say. They might remove her powers somehow if everyone really hated that, but to remove twilight from the mane 6 would probably be a really bad move from Hasbro being one of if not the most loved character from the show.

 

I can't see her moving away and becoming all powerful i imagine her needing help from her friends in her new roles?

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

@@Commander_PonyShep, I don't think it will change that much despite what they say. They might remove her powers somehow if everyone really hated that, but to remove twilight from the mane 6 would probably be a really bad move from Hasbro being one of if not the most loved character from the show.

 

I can't see her moving away and becoming all powerful i imagine her needing help from her friends in her new roles?

But even then, Hasbro still realizes that even the notion of giving Twilight wings, thus changing her species while disrupting the two-species symmetry of the Mane Six is still a retarded idea.  They know this, and if they don't change her back into a unicorn, us bronies are going to do what most other fanbases do with changes to their favorite franchises, and raise a ton of hell.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Commander_PonyShep