gaming Pathetic hatred on CoD: Ghosts (and BF4)

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,367]

THB, I'm just sick of modern first person shooters in general, it's even led me to a growing disinterest in gaming. As of now the only games I'm looking forward to getting are GTA V and Pokemon X and Y.

[Retro*Derpy 3,207]

People also said the same thing about BF3 being BF2.5, and Cod being the same last year too. There are always going to be people that complain about sequels and my only response is why don't you make one yourself? 

[Mand'alor Dash 2,224]

Personal example: I don't like Halo, in fact, Halo 4 was one of the biggest piles of garbage I've ever played, but I honestly don't give a shit if people like it. As long as the Halo fans don't act like they're some enlightened, superior race (spoiler alert: they do anyway), it isn't any of my fuckin' business what other people like.

 

If you don't like a game, don't play it. Y'all can give your opinion like gentleponies, but there is absolutely no point in acting like a douchebag and attacking people for liking what you don't. No one is forcing anyone to buy CoD: Ghosts or Battlefield 4, just like nobody is forcing me to buy Halo 5. After that point is established, one's rationale for acting like a prick online drops to zero.

 

I'm not planning on buying Ghosts, but it's kind of hard to avoid it when every major gaming news source constantly reminds me the game exists.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,062]

I remember back when BOII was first revealed, people kept saying that it looked like a copy of Halo despite the fact that Halo takes place in the 2500s and BOII mostly in 2025. At the same time, people said that BOII looked too different and that COD is probably not going to be the same anymore. Hypocritically, people once again started to call BOII another copy and paste game.

 

I find that "copy and paste" is really only suitable for MW3 and, to some extent, WAW since both games haven't really done much to make some changes to the gameplay (though the latter I would consider to be my favourite COD of all times).

 

I think Ghosts is introducing quite a bit of new features to the COD series, perhaps most notably the introduction of destructible maps. I don't expect it to be anywhere near the sophistication of that of BF, but it's nevertheless a huge change the huge change to the COD series. The graphics of Ghosts may still be subpar to other games, but it's still the most significant graphical improvement since MW2. The accusation that Ghosts is copying from other games appeared. People are saying that it is a copy of Battlefield (destructible environment), Black Ops II (quadrotor), etc. Umm... This sort of logic is highly flawed and, in many cases, shouldn't even be a criticism. As I have mentioned in another post I made, if people are so concerned about games copying other games, then all WW2 games except Medal of Honor shouldn't exist, all games that gives you the option to both hipfire and aim down sights except COD shouldn't exist, all games set in the future except Halo shouldn't exist, all FPS games except Wolfenstein or Doom shouldn't exist, all FPS games are a copy of modern combat, etc. All that matters is that certain features changes and improves gameplay; doesn't matter if it was taken from somewhere else.

 

It seems to me that no matter what they add into the game, people will always be unsatisfied. This also reminds me back when it seems like many people legitimately believed that the only new things in Ghosts was moving fish and dog, completely ignorant of the fact that the graphics improved, inclusion of dynamic maps, character customization, etc. If COD is accused of making the same games every year, I think many other game series should be as well. In a game series, there is to be some new features included in sequels, but the core gameplay must remain the same. If the core gameplay changes, the game loses the characteristics of what made the game its own thing. So COD will always be an action FPS and BF will always be a slower paced objective FPS.

 

In the end, I think the hatred towards COD now is excessive.

 

 

Meh, what I find funny is when CoD fanboys go onto a Battlefield video and vent about how horrible Battlefield is when they've never played it, and then the Battlefield fanboys go and do the same thing to them.

Actually I find that this is far more true for BF players than COD players. BF players seem to have the need to express their "superiority" to COD players; they're often found on COD videos bashing on the game. I don't find nearly as many COD players on BF videos.

 

People also said the same thing about BF3 being BF2.5, and Cod being the same last year too. There are always going to be people that complain about sequels and my only response is why don't you make one yourself?

I don't think that statement is valid at all. If people weren't allowed to complain about things they couldn't do themselves, then we wouldn't have the right to rate games at all, we wouldn't be able to complain about the XboxOne's previous restrictions, we wouldn't be able to complain about how governments run countries, etc. Edited August 17, 2013 by 115Predator

[ReverseFaller 2,484]

I don't get the hatred. It's a freaking video game. If you don't want to play it don't play it. I'm getting both Ghosts and BF4, as I think they both look fun. Sure I prefer Battlefield over COD, but I'm still getting Ghosts. In the end, I just play both and have fun. I have no need to be all elite and kewl and talk shit. "Ohh the new COD is liek so gay!! trololol"...Gosh! Why do people waste their time posting that crap. I never understood why people waste their time with their, as the OP said, pathetic hatred on COD and BF. 

[Trickiert 150]

To be honest it's all pretty stupid. If you think CoD is a bad game franchise then just ignore it and don't buy and play the games, It's not like it's a hard thing to do on the internet these days.

 

Man, people really shouldn't get so worked up over video games so much.

 

(I do play multiplayer with my friends every so often on Black Ops 2 however but I don't buy the games myself nor do I find massive enjoyment in them.)

Edited August 17, 2013 by Trickiert

[FaZe Vinyl 521]

I think people get so pissed off with Call of Duty because it's so frustrating how popular and successful it is. There are some game devs that put loads of time, effort, innovation and pure genius into their games, but no matter how hard they try, they'll never top the polished turd that is the Call of Duty series.

 

Also, a lot of people (including myself) believe game series like Call of Duty (Not just Call of Duty, but they are the main series that comes to mind) are destroying innovation in the video games industry. I mean, where is the motivation for publishers to invest in an original game when they can make a quick and easy dollar with another cookie cutter sequel?

 

I don't hate CoD though. I actually think it's great. It keeps all the loud mouthed 12 year olds away from all the good games.

This isn't meant as an insult to you, or really anyone, but that screams "Hipster"

 

Journey. It was a good indie game, not put out big time, or made by a big developer, yet word got around and people found it was amazing.

 

The same principle applies for most games. If someone likes a no-name game and tells others about it, and you know the cycle, then people know its a good game.

 

The problem with that is, most small games and indie games are horrible. I'll use Ride to Hell: Retribution as an example. Small publisher, small developer (Eutechnyx, whose community I am actually a part of), and one of the worst games on the current gen. Most games in that area are horrible. Sure, sometimes you get a "Journey", but how often?

 

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As for the topic, the games are sold for a reason. We aren't forced to buy things. I personally think Ghosts will be a fresh experience, an BF4 will be more of an updated experience. I'll end up getting both of them.

 

The reason why CoD gets my money, and is so popular in the first place is because it is fun. It's a working formula. It needs some improvements, but in the end it's still a fun game most of the time.

[SincereSincere 1]

The problem is that it's the same game. It's that it is the same game EVERY YEAR. And it's so popular that as soon as they release it, most gamers go out and buy it. The problem is that there is just still much more time to play in the old COD, but because most of your friends go out and buy the new one... You buy it too just so you can play with them.

 

I will admit though, Ghosts doesn't look almost exactly the same. They added a lot of new stuff to the game.

[DazzioN 58]

Its simple. COD Fans are BF haters and BF fans are COD haters. I allready played Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty : Black Ops II and i have to say: Battlefield 3 wins even is 1 year earlier. Im really interested on BF4 also im going to pre-order it!

Edited August 21, 2013 by Sprakle

[Moonlight 7,289]

Apparently, avoiding something you dislike is impossible. It doesn't matter if it's everywhere, I'm not really a shooter fan but do I constantly hate and complain? No, not really. The only games I have my eyes on are: Pokemon X/Y, GTA V, and Mirror's Edge 2. Everyone just needs to settle down and go enjoy what they want to enjoy. 

[Cerbyrus 63]

Its simple. COD Fans are BF haters and BF fans are COD fans. I allready played Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty : Black Ops II and i have to say: Battlefield 3 wins even is 1 year earlier. Im really interested on BF4 also im going to pre-order it!

Bf fans are COD haters*, I guess you meant that

 

Anyways, I do not agree. How can BF even 'win' from COD when the games aren't comparable at all. COD is obviously an arcade shooter, where you can easily play alone and just have fun. In BF though, a lot more teamwork is needed to win, or even do well. Obviously, both the games have completely different playstyles, and aren't similiar in the least.

 

Not only that, but I see Battlefield fans acting a lot more childish then the COD players this time around. Back in the days of MW3 and BO2, COD fanboys were hating A LOT on the BF players, but it seems that that's completely turned around. Most BF videos I see recieve not a lot to no hate at all, yet the COD videos are spammed with assholes that are crying about Ghosts being 'the same old game' or a 'complete BF ripoff'.

[Nobody Special 210]

I'm actually impressed at how much they put into CoD Ghosts, still not buying it, but they didn't have to change a single thing and they would still make so much money. 

 

When BF4 was brought to the table, they had some really good and, in my opinion, really bad *cough cough* commander mode *cough* I don't like the idea of having a bad commander against a good one, because the game would be that simple to lose.

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

Never cared for either one really Ghosts in particular because I see another MW3.

BF4? I didn't like BF3 a whole lot or the series in general.

I pass on both.

[DazzioN 58]

Bf fans are COD haters*, I guess you meant that

 

Anyways, I do not agree. How can BF even 'win' from COD when the games aren't comparable at all. COD is obviously an arcade shooter, where you can easily play alone and just have fun. In BF though, a lot more teamwork is needed to win, or even do well. Obviously, both the games have completely different playstyles, and aren't similiar in the least.

 

Not only that, but I see Battlefield fans acting a lot more childish then the COD players this time around. Back in the days of MW3 and BO2, COD fanboys were hating A LOT on the BF players, but it seems that that's completely turned around. Most BF videos I see recieve not a lot to no hate at all, yet the COD videos are spammed with assholes that are crying about Ghosts being 'the same old game' or a 'complete BF ripoff'.

Oh sorry about that it was night time wen i post that i was very tired it was like 4 am postin that and my mind was just really sleepy

Bf fans are COD haters*, I guess you meant that

 

Anyways, I do not agree. How can BF even 'win' from COD when the games aren't comparable at all. COD is obviously an arcade shooter, where you can easily play alone and just have fun. In BF though, a lot more teamwork is needed to win, or even do well. Obviously, both the games have completely different playstyles, and aren't similiar in the least.

 

Not only that, but I see Battlefield fans acting a lot more childish then the COD players this time around. Back in the days of MW3 and BO2, COD fanboys were hating A LOT on the BF players, but it seems that that's completely turned around. Most BF videos I see recieve not a lot to no hate at all, yet the COD videos are spammed with assholes that are crying about Ghosts being 'the same old game' or a 'complete BF ripoff'.

I understand the point you saying that. What i meant to say is BF4 is better than COD:Ghosts i think on graphics section and story line but the games are both great.

 

1 of reasons i dont buy cod is the community. Community is just like Trickshots no scope children etc.

 

2 reason is i liked more story line about bf3 than Cod : Black ops 2 and for me the quality of bf3 was much better than cod :black ops 2

 

3 reason is i dont want to waste 60€ per year that will be too much expensive bf4 otherwise is not per year is like 2 or more year and that saves a lot for money

 

3.1 im not going to waste 60€ on same engine game that could be waste of money even game is good itself

[Aaramus 449]

If you don't enjoy the games then don't play them, its really as simple as that. The fact is Activation has found a market and they're catering to it. CoD games have never been innovative, BO2 tried and it seems that Ghosts is trying as well. They're not huge changes but there are some.

 

Both BF and CoD are popular because the other games in the market are not being supported by the consumer, people say they want new and fresh IP's but then go ahead and by the Assassins Creeds and CoDs because they know what they like.

 

You're not going to see story-driven CoDs or BFs because the market doesn't want them. If you're going to complain then complain to the people who keep supporting these games.

Edited August 21, 2013 by Aaramus

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I consider COD and the like okay to waste a few hours on playing through every once in a while, no problem there(aside from being overpriced, the things feel like budget titles to me and I think they really should be put out at a reduced price, but that's just opinion).

 

My issue is the bigger problem they cause, they're causing the entire market to shift towards COD clones, and companies seem scared shitless to localize games that won't appeal to the COD/War Shooter fanbase. Even sequels to games that started far different are following the lead at times. This resulted in us that WEREN"T massive fans of that type of game getting screwed into having a very small selection this last gen.  

Edited August 22, 2013 by Shoboni

[Limey 524]

This isn't meant as an insult to you, or really anyone, but that screams "Hipster"

 

Journey. It was a good indie game, not put out big time, or made by a big developer, yet word got around and people found it was amazing.

 

The same principle applies for most games. If someone likes a no-name game and tells others about it, and you know the cycle, then people know its a good game.

 

The problem with that is, most small games and indie games are horrible. I'll use Ride to Hell: Retribution as an example. Small publisher, small developer (Eutechnyx, whose community I am actually a part of), and one of the worst games on the current gen. Most games in that area are horrible. Sure, sometimes you get a "Journey", but how often?

 

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As for the topic, the games are sold for a reason. We aren't forced to buy things. I personally think Ghosts will be a fresh experience, an BF4 will be more of an updated experience. I'll end up getting both of them.

 

The reason why CoD gets my money, and is so popular in the first place is because it is fun. It's a working formula. It needs some improvements, but in the end it's still a fun game most of the time.

 

I don't think you quite understand what Hipster means. A hipster is someone who dislikes something because it's in the mainstream. I like lots of games that are in the mainstream, such as Team Fortress 2, Battlefield, Portal, Killing Floor ect... I don't simply hate CoD because of it's success. I dislike it because it hardly changes anything and still somehow gets that success. I mean, for crying out loud it's $60 ($100 or more if you include all DLC) every year for what is essentially a couple of new guns, a tiny campaign, some new maps and a new gamemode if you're really lucky. That's a high-end DLC at most.

 

Maybe I just don't understand because I don't have such a disposable income. I'd rather spend my money on games that actually do something different.

 

This is the part where I'd go into how they're also negatively affecting the video games industry but I really can't be bothered at the moment. It's 1 O'clock in the morning and I need sleep. Read Shoboni's post above me, he sums it up pretty well.

Edited August 22, 2013 by Spess

[Gyro Zeppeli 120]

The only real reason I hate on CoD is because I have seen it turn good people into assholes.

Seriously, on several occasions I have had really good friends and then they got their first Call of Duty game, and within a couple of weeks, they treated me like dirt out of nowhere. They turned into complete assholes and it has always been after the purchase of a call of duty game.

[Krys9 456]

I really can care less about the hate that both of these series get since I don't care for them but to the OP honestly what did you expect from YouTube comments? Most people on there are really stupid and I find myself occasionally slamming my head against a desk because of their stupidity. I've learned to not take them so seriously but I do agree that it's annoying to see people "hate" on things in the comment section.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Rainbow Factory

[Misty Shadow 8,092]

Wait...you found this pathetic hatred on...Youtube? Dude...Youtube comments are where you go to when you want to find out the opinions of trolls and people who hate everything just because they can. Those are the kind of opinions that don't matter.

 

The internet is filled with pathetic hatred. The silver lining of it though is that there are plenty of internet goers who don't submit to it and form their own honest opinions. Those are the kind of opinions that matter.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Matt Engarde

[Throwaway19573639385 764]

I'm sorry, I really have to disagree with you. CoD: Ghost sucks, I'm not blindly hating on the game, it's just that it's nothing new. At least in CoD: Black Ops II they were attempting to change dynamics and mechanics, which led me to buying it. Unfortunately, the huge amount of catering to bad players is what I really got sick of. Ghost doesn't look new or feel new, it feels old. It's just another copy paste with some unimportant changes.

 

Now, I'm not saying that I'm mindlessly talking shit on Youtube and stuff, because frankly, that's really sad. I still have an opinion though and I can say whatever I want about something whenever someone else asks me about it. Besides that, I keep my opinions to myself, instead of being one of the sad little kids that love to hate on things that go above their head anyway.

 

The Battlefield series, well, I always found it to be the superior of the two. I'm hoping Battlefield doesn't go down that ugly road like CoD did, I'm getting tired of finding new FPS games all the time. The action in Battlefield is tight and more unforgiving. Do something stupid and your squad gets wiped out plus you put so much effort into nothing. There's far more tactic to Battlefield than CoD. 2 good players on CoD can carry all games and win, while 8 good players on Battlefield (let's keep the ratio reasonable) can't do jack if the others suck.

 

To be honest, CoD is a bad arcade shooter, everyone can easily get a decent score with zero skill *Cough*KAP40LASERSIGHTTARGETFINDERNOSKILLEYESCLOSEDSPRAYNPRAYWORSTWIFICONNECTIONWINS*Cough*. People who buy the CoD series are just catering to the mindless easy mainstream game industry and limiting other dev's their freedom. 

[GrimCW 658]

I just hope they've shaken it up enough this time around.

Haven't seen the vids so i dunno what the current state of game is on either.

BF4 sounds promising as it seems, from what i've been told/read, that they've gone back and are fixing what they did wrong in BF3. (they stuck to closely to the Bad Company games for one. Worked smaller scale, and broke the teams up considerably rather than have a TEAM you had multiple squads with no direction. Tried to fix with expansions, but those only divide the player base IMO and make things far worse. Most servers will only run vanilla in the end as a result. Making expansions worthless to most players  )

 

Bringing back voice comm (PC version. It was cut due to "no one uses it anyways. Just get teamspeak or use Origin's VoIP" according to some genius at DICE) is one of the major come backs that BF3 lacked. Its console version was alright, but the small fights was a let down.

However since voice comm was in the console games, you can find more team work there than on the PC unless your in a clan, and have time for that sort of thing.

And the PC's MASSIVE 64 player battles (still nothing compared to the 126 player battles of ArmA ) was total CHAOS without voice comm. Typing chat is dated and to slow for something like that.

But on the same they seem to have advanced it, brought back a lot of what made 2 great, and increased that which made 3 good too (more destruction woot!  )

 

But Ghosts.. Haven't read much into it. MW3 and BO2 were letdowns

I just really hope its not more of the exact same.. While the old formula was nice, its time to shake it up more than by just adding new weapons, maps, and killstreak rewards like they've been doing. It feels like they're just shy of something greater.. but I can't quiet finger it...

But everything since MW (W@W aside) has felt more like they were just expansion packs rather than new games.

 

Even Halo has gone further than that in its different variations... Adding more customization than just weapon skins. Whole new modes, weapon combos,  custom modes, even a map editor. (Something CoD lost post CoD1)

BO2 did have some nice new toys, but as par with Treyarch their maps SUUUUCK....

 

In the overall end though, the enjoyment is mostly in how you play, and who you play with IMO.

Most of those that whine about CoD will play it anyways and keep going.

Edited September 2, 2013 by GrimCW

[DaReaper 1,945]

I cant help it MW2 was good, MW3 was a great follow up and the mutiplayer was better, thank god they removed nuke ending the game and I'm excited for ghosts if the mp is as good as last 2 it's gonna still be a fun game. BF4 i will get cause it looks great

[Cerbyrus 63]

Wait...you found this pathetic hatred on...Youtube? Dude...Youtube comments are where you go to when you want to find out the opinions of trolls and people who hate everything just because they can. Those are the kind of opinions that don't matter.

Yap, I found it on youtube. But that's not the only place, at all. Two kids started fighting because one of them is going to buy BF4 and the other will buy Ghosts. And I mean actually fighting. They started smacking each other in the face and kicking each other in the balls. ._.

 

But youtube, and the internet really isn't the only place where I see hatred on BF4/Ghosts.

It just annoys me how Battlefield players tend to act like a bunch of elitists, whether on forums, youtube or whatever. just because Call of Duty ''isn't a real game'' (like seriously, wtf?)This year, the hate on BF4 is minimun and Ghosts is being hated like it literally arose from hell. I've said it before: if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. IW isn't pointing a gun at your head and steals 60 bucks only to throw a copy of Ghosts towards you. Cod will only die out if people stop buying it, not by just complaining.

[Lisa 5,553]

MW3 was a great follow up and the mutiplayer was better,

 

You're the only person I've met that actually likes MW3 more than MW2.

 

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On topic:

 

As said previously, these are Youtube comments, Youtube is extremely notorious for it's influx of complete imbeciles. I'm sure you've noticed the large amount of stupidity that goes on within the comment sections. You can't say an opinion without atleast one person blatantly cursing towards you.

 

As for my opinion on COD: Ghosts; it looks alright. Nothing extremely ground-breaking, but it does look refreshing from the rest of the franchise. The only main gripe I have with it is the setting. I haven't completely researched information about COD: Ghosts, but from what I have seen in the trailer, and one gameplay video, it seems to be set into the near future. (Approx. 2025-ish, like Black Ops 2).

 

Battlefield 4 seems like a simple updated version of Battlefield 3. Same game, but with few minor additions and tweaks here and there. The only part of Battlefield 4 I'm looking forward to is the story for the campaign. It seems interesting enough for me to be intrigued with the game, and to actually buy it.

 

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TL;DR: Both games have their enjoyable aspects. And Youtube comments are nonsense the majority of the time.