Does anyone hate misanthropic fan fictions?

[Castle Bleck 19,330]

@,

The ponification serum does far more than just change opinions. It makes them lose their own name, hate humanity as a whole, and turns fanatics into sleeping kittens. It is a forcible brain washing that destroys any trace of what the person once was, replacing them with a pony who is somewhat similar, but mostly different.

 

Of course, many "victims" may not have liked their humanity anyway.

 

Take all those fanatics, for example.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Hive King 2,001]

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I was referring more to the soldiers that Celestia carpet bombs. They go in an instant from trying to save their families from ponies, to blindly calling Celestia's praises. The fact that her barrier will go over the whole world means that Celestia offers two choices.

 

A: Have your mind and body warped so throughly, you'd barely be called the same person

 

B: Die 

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

@,

The ponification serum does far more than just change opinions. It makes them lose their own name, hate humanity as a whole, and turns fanatics into sleeping kittens. It is a forcible brain washing that destroys any trace of what the person once was, replacing them with a pony who is somewhat similar, but mostly different.

The important point here is that in those stories, humans are broken. Their new brains allow them to pass moral judgment on stuff they just perceived as normal before. That is the root of their dislike for humanity. It's not brainwashing because it's not forcing them to accept a new doctrine. It is fixing them so they understand that some things are actually bad. It is preaching an objective moral system. Bad? I think it ranges from "yes" to "debatable", but this is not the point. It's also voluntary: people are free to not be converted and then die from the thaumatic radiation when their world is completely consumed by a natural disaster.

 

Often, the characters openly say that they are themselves because they remember their lives. A cop-out? Possibly. I wouldn't mind. But it's important that this is the only way of surviving, and they are now the way they were supposed to be, if they "normal creatures". Again: it preaches an objective moral system, but it is perfectly fine in it's internal logic.

 

EDIT: you see... We have different standards on what is acceptable. I doubt you'd say I'm wrong in treating someone with depression with medication. I just think that those humans are being cured of being human.

@,

I was referring more to the soldiers that Celestia carpet bombs. They go in an instant from trying to save their families from ponies, to blindly calling Celestia's praises. The fact that her barrier will go over the whole world means that Celestia offers two choices.

 

A: Have your mind and body warped so throughly, you'd barely be called the same person

 

B: Die 

What story is this from? Because you make it sound as if it is Celestia's fault they need to be converted.

Edited February 7, 2014 by moonlightavenger

[Castle Bleck 19,330]

@Evil Dragon Master,

 

Carpet bombs bad. Just look at Uncanny Valley commercial:

 

 

That REAL "carpet bomb."

 

P.S.: Why'd I just post in Hulk Speak?

Edited June 29, 2014 by A.V.

[Bendy 1,821]

Ah, there we go. You like. It's not as if these stories are inherently better or the opposite inherently bad. I'm satisfied.

Why do you like these stories rather the ones where "human=evil"? Or is it that you don't like the notion of ponies being somehow superior?

 

 

Because it's like Nazi logic or Reaper from Mass Effect logic. I can't really like a characters that wants to wipe out Humanity down to the last child. At the same time, I don't like Human killing all the Ponies down to the last child. 

 

Also Superman, Man of Steal is very similar to The Conversion Bureau, for something like the barrier is in that movie. 

 

 

 

The important point here is that in those stories, humans are broken. Their new brains allow them to pass moral judgment on stuff they just perceived as normal before. That is the root of their dislike for humanity. It's not brainwashing because it's not forcing them to accept a new doctrine. It is fixing them so they understand that some things are actually bad. It is preaching an objective moral system. Bad? I think it ranges from "yes" to "debatable", but this is not the point. It's also voluntary: people are free to not be converted and then die from the thaumatic radiation when their world is completely consumed by a natural disaster.

 

Often, the characters openly say that they are themselves because they remember their lives. A cop-out? Possibly. I wouldn't mind. But it's important that this is the only way of surviving, and they are now the way they were supposed to be, if they "normal creatures". Again: it preaches an objective moral system, but it is perfectly fine in it's internal logic.

 

Then why not just make them Human again and give them free will? Without destroying their body. And just wipe away whatever evil demon that's turned all Humanity into serial killers and Hitler worshipers. 

Edited February 7, 2014 by Rush

[Castle Bleck 19,330]

I'm surprised barely any "misanthropy" got mentioned in my cliche-hate thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/86008-fanfic-cliches-you-hate/

 

Oh, and "humans can't survive without meat." But that's a different subject for a different time.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

 

 

Then why not just make them Human again and give them free will? Without destroying their body. And just wipe away after evil demon that's turned all Humanity into serial killers and Hitler worshipers

I'm sorry if I'm keeping too much to Chatoyance's stories, but they are the ones I like and know. I understand there are other scenarios in which the ponies are very much xenophobic assholes, with weaponized cuteness. But as different stories, there are other rules to them. Rule of thumb: ponification is bad if it is forced.

 

But in Chatoyance's stories, they never lost their free will. They got their "moral system" fixed. They can do bad things, they just prefer not to, because it would hurt them too. Empathy is the key in Chattoyance's stories.

 

And I agree with you. If the option of "exorcising" them is available, it IS preferable from turning them into ponies. But would not fix the other, and real problem: pony magic is harmful to humans. In Chatoyance's stories, this is biology and it's not even related to "broken brains". It's pony magic being incompatible to "apes".

 

 

 

Because it's like Nazi logic or Reaper from Mass Effect logic. I can't really like a characters that wants to wipe out Humanity down to the last child.    Also Superman, Man of Steal is very similar to The Conversion Bureau, for something like the barrier is in that movie. 

 

Agreed. I don't like the stories in which the ponies are responsible for the creation of the Barrier and are effectively conquering Earth. The difference is intention. I can like stories where the goal is to help, but never when the intention is to conquer. I just judge the characters more than I judge the tone of the story.

[Bendy 1,821]

I'm sorry if I'm keeping too much to Chatoyance's stories, but they are the ones I like and know. I understand there are other scenarios in which the ponies are very much xenophobic assholes, with weaponized cuteness. But as different stories, there are other rules to them. Rule of thumb: ponification is bad if it is forced.

 

But in Chatoyance's stories, they never lost their free will. They got their "moral system" fixed. They can do bad things, they just prefer not to, because it would hurt them too. Empathy is the key in Chattoyance's stories.

 

 

Even if some Humans completely evil in some universes, it's still none of their TCB Ponies business attack and destroy Humanity and turn them into wimps. Why not just heal them of their madness, and allow them to keep their Human bodies?

 

Also, I love to see what the God Emperor of Mankind of Mankind from Warhammer would think of the TCB Ponies. Not to say I would worship him, but I think he would disagree what TCB Ponies are doing to mankind.

 

Also Space Marine views on TCB Ponies: Heresy, lots and lots of heresy and killing all Ponies. That's bad too, but that's Warhammer for you.

 

Agreed. I don't like the stories in which the ponies are responsible for the creation of the Barrier and are effectively conquering Earth. The difference is intention. I can like stories where the goal is to help, but never when the intention is to conquer. I just judge the characters more than I judge the tone of the story.

 

I like Human Vs Ponies stories.

 

But I want see more non war stories, as in a universe where the barrier does not expand, the Ponies behave like canon Ponies and there is no war, no genocide, no forceful conversions. There are still some human hating Ponies, but they get shouted down (and in some cases get attacked by other Ponies) by the vast majority of Ponies, including the Princesses and the mane six.

The only downside (or not, they could enter if the writer wants) if a Human enters Equestria they die without the body of a Pony, but the transformation can be undone and Human can regain their Human body back, as well as no mind alteration, aka no zombie minded Newfoals.

I think it be fun to be a Pegasus for awhile, the ability to fly looks fun.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Rush

[Hive King 2,001]

@, 

Yes, but if I give someone with depression medicine, they won't change their name and refuse to cry. People who swear before the serum are suddenly unable to without cringing.

 

In every story I've read, Celestia is the one creating the barrier. She could just take Equestria and leave, but she doesn't. Not to mention she cares very little when some humans get wiped out, simply shrugging it off like a massive loss of lives was acceptable in order to win.

 

I'm sorry if I'm keeping too much to Chatoyance's stories, but they are the ones I like and know. I understand there are other scenarios in which the ponies are very much xenophobic assholes, with weaponized cuteness. But as different stories, there are other rules to them. Rule of thumb: ponification is bad if it is forced.

 

But in Chatoyance's stories, they never lost their free will. They got their "moral system" fixed. They can do bad things, they just prefer not to, because it would hurt them too. Empathy is the key in Chattoyance's stories.

 

And I agree with you. If the option of "exorcising" them is available, it IS preferable from turning them into ponies. But would not fix the other, and real problem: pony magic is harmful to humans. In Chatoyance's stories, this is biology and it's not even related to "broken brains". It's pony magic being incompatible to "apes".

 

 

 

 

Agreed. I don't like the stories in which the ponies are responsible for the creation of the Barrier and are effectively conquering Earth. The difference is intention. I can like stories where the goal is to help, but never when the intention is to conquer. I just judge the characters more than I judge the tone of the story.

If Celestia can stop a nuke in picaseconds, surely she can come up with something to fix humans. Hell, just stop the barrier from advancing or move Equestria to the Moon. 

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

 

 

Yes, but if I give someone with depression medicine, they won't change their name and refuse to cry. People who swear before the serum are suddenly unable to without cringing.   In every story I've read, Celestia is the one creating the barrier. She could just take Equestria and leave, but she doesn't. Not to mention she cares very little when some humans get wiped out, simply shrugging it off like a massive loss of lives was acceptable in order to win.

 

Then we are just reading different stories. Mystery solved. 

[Hive King 2,001]

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Which ones do you read? I'd like to see if they are any better 

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

 

 

But I want see more non war stories, as in a universe where the barrier does not expand, the Ponies behave like canon Ponies and there is no war, no genocide, no forceful conversions. There are still some human hating Ponies, but they get shouted down (and in some cases get attacked by other Ponies) by the vast majority of Ponies, including the Princesses and the mane six. The only downside (or not, they could enter if the writer wants) if a Human enters Equestria they die without the body of a Pony, but the transformation can be undone and Human can regain their Human body back, as well as no mind alteration, aka no zombie minded Newfoals. I think it be fun to be a Pegasus for awhile, the ability to fly looks fun.

 

 

I think I've seen a story like that. I haven't read it yet though. Let me see if I can find it for you.

[Static Electricity 729]

It really annoys me when Equestria is portrayed as some sort of Utopia, and that Earth is full of evil humans. That's just plain stupid.

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

@,

Which ones do you read? I'd like to see if they are any better 

"27 Ounces" and "Going Pony" are a good beginning....

Fair warning: ponies ARE portrayed as morally superior and humans are practically a disease. But the existence of the Barrier is not intentional.

@,

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/1232/the-conversion-bureau-yellowstone

I think this is what you're looking for. I haven't read it yet though. 

[Bendy 1,821]

 

 

I think I've seen a story like that. I haven't read it yet though. Let me see if I can find it for you.

 

 

Grayscale, is a great TCB story. They are trying to save Humanity, they didn't intentionally come to Earth, they behave like canon Ponies and are trying to stop the barrier from moving. And will even let a Human die as a Human, if he or she does not want to become a Pony. And no PER.

 

Also it's a war story, but my favorite TCB story is The Conversion Bureau: The Other Side of the Spectrum. Because even some TCB Ponies are fighting on Humanity's side to save them. And also canon Ponies from the show itself aid Humanity against the Reapers versions of themselves.  A lot of Ponies are placed under mind control to make them happy kill Humans without any remorse.

 

And it actually explained how Celestia basically turned into Harbinger mindset from Mass Effect.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Rush

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

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Thanks. They are on my "to read" list.

[Hive King 2,001]

Did anyone here read "Not Alone" by Starman Ghost? It was human biased, sure, but it still gave the ponies some dignity. It's very good, a few tweaks to make the ponies more likable and it'd be great

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

Did anyone here read "Not Alone" by Starman Ghost? It was human biased, sure, but it still gave the ponies some dignity. It's very good, a few tweaks to make the ponies more likable and it'd be great

Just went after it. It seems it was removed from FIMFiction. My primary source of extra pony entertainment. Is it up somewhere else?

 

His other story, "Body and Mind", is very good though.... XD

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

Yup, it's broken into several posts on Spacebattles

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/re-upload-tcb-not-alone.248433/

It's a bit choppy 

[Bendy 1,821]

Did anyone here read "Not Alone" by Starman Ghost? It was human biased, sure, but it still gave the ponies some dignity. It's very good, a few tweaks to make the ponies more likable and it'd be great

 

Yeah, it still exists. But off fimfiction.

 

Teen Rated Sequel : The Conversion Bureau: Conquer the Stars has a link to it. It was a mature story, so I can't link it. It's also on Spacebattles. 

 

Also just google The Conversion Bureau: Not Alone is another way to find it.

 

It even has it's own TVtropes page.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Rush

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

@,

Thanks. I'll read it when I'm done with another I'm reading. 

I think this may be a bit off topic, but since stories are being exchanged, I'm going to ask for something I've been looking for: good stories where ponies team up with humans to fight a superior enemy in common.

[Commissar Alexer 763]

Misanthropic or Human-Bashing Stories are the highest form of Heresy.

 

Or to put it simply: I outright despise those stories.

[Castle Bleck 19,330]

I've read some versions of TCB where Ponification is presented positively (no war, no mind-altering, crippled humans turning into healthy ponies, etc.).

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

@, @, 

Ugh... Lost my patience with "Not Alone" in Chapter 6.

When I hear human leaders talking about rights and unity, my brain lights up with a very loud bullshit alert.

 

The princesses are supposed to be different than human leaders, in canon, at least. This is why I tend to dislike stories like that. It's open to interpretation, but I can't figure them summoning the slow moving barrier of doom intentionally.

I've read some versions of TCB where Ponification is presented positively (no war, no mind-altering, crippled humans turning into healthy ponies, etc.).

Can you direct us to these stories? I sure would like to see a story where ponies and humans can be friends.

[Hive King 2,001]

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Well, the ponies in the story don't actually know about the potion and think it just changes bodies, nothing more. Only a few ponies realize the true effects of the potion. They seem to not quite understand why humans would resist.

 

 

Oh well, to each their own