Why I'm turning my back on FiM!

[Solid 1,327]

After watching several episodes from G1 I've come to the realisation that G1 is better than FIM. Let me explain:

 

•G1 was handrawn. Badly yes, but that took effort. Anybody can use Flash nowadays.

 

•G1 had better villians. Terak for example. He was a proper badass.Plus he was actually killed. Something that would never happen in FIM

 

.FIM in my opinion takes itself too seriously. The makers of the G1 show knew that the core audience would be girls so didn't try too hard

 

.The Brony community itself. With the rise of Bronydom the FIM creators have seemed anxious to please our every whim.If they are not careful Hasbro will begin to turn their core audience away.

 

These are just my opinions tell me if you agree...or not!

 

- So was FIM, hand-drawn, ctrl c + v existed for quite sometime (amazingly it seems, also back in the 1980s), and the reason anybody can use flash nowadays is because of the advancing technology. Using flash back in the 1980s is like having access to the FOX engine (http://www.zegetron.gr/Zegetron//konami/Foxengine1.jpg    just to give you an idea)

 

- I have to agree with this, G1 had much better villains. Sombra was killed though, he exploded (well, an indirect cartoonish way of x_X)

 

- Agreed. But That's the reason why bronies receives a lot of hate nowadays, the past gens have given the series this girlish reputation that when Lauren Faust tried to overcome this stereotype, haters come. 

 

- Wrong, if you've been paying attention to the fandom lately, you'll realized that Hasbro actually shut down a great deal of good brony projects (some I know, fighting is magic, and yes, askprincessmolestia hahaha) Considering the fact that Hasbro has been sewing around, I don't think Hasbro is trying to please bronies, at least intentionally.

 

Again, I do 100% agree with the fact that G1 had better villains, mainly b/c they had functional brains; unlike FIM villains, many of them with the IQ of soup.

[~~~~~~~~~~ 1,174]

"Again, I do 100% agree with the fact that G1 had better villains, mainly b/c they had functional brains; unlike FIM villains, many of them with the IQ of soup."- Solid Scorpion

 

*Discord unscrews skull from neck and empties out soup*

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

I don't understand what the tittle has to do with your preferencies.

[Oblivion 20,266]

Hm, well....I haven't even watched any of G1, I'll have to go check it out and then possibly input what I think of it!

 

But on a side note, didn't Sombra techinly die?

Hey I still like this community it's just I think we're beginning to have a bit too much influence on the show! Take my 9yr old niece as an example. She was just beginning to get into the show but when she suddenly found out about us bronies she suddenly lost interest.

I kind of agree with this! I mean, wasn't Pinkie Pride nearly pure fan service, heck even the song at the end was!

 

Although(call me crazy) I am actually kind of a fan of the recent fan service though!

Probably the Flash vs Hand-drawn comment bugged me the most. That has to do with me being an art student... and just plain loving art.

 

But, y'know, that's fine. You're allowed your own opinion even if it's ignorant and absolutely wrong.

I just realized that your avatar pic is a live action gummy! LMAO!

[Bucky McGillyCuddy 956]

I don't understand why you're looking down on digital animation like Flash over traditional hand drawn animation? Just because it's "easier" (and, in some cases, I'd really question whether it actually is) doesn't make it any less of an art form than doing it the hard/old fashioned way.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

I never said it wasn't. The only difference is, FiM wasn't originaly made for that purpose; where as, the original was. When FiM got big, then they focused on toys more, but they still haven't added a flood of characters to the main roster, like the original and alot of 80's cartoons, which were made from day one to advertise the toy line. FiM is kinda like Power Rangers, originaly wasn't made to pander toys (Although, PR was mostly done to increase raitings on a few networks), it did start to head to the toy route when the popularity became higher then expected.

 

Why are so many FIM fans delusional about this? Some seem to have this very elitist better than thou attitude towards this Hasbro produced cartoon. Does it make you feel better to insist your gen's cartoon is better by stating that it wasn't made to sell toys? I don't give a shit about power rangers; frankly I think it's one of the worst shows and I have never wasted my time watching that crap.

 

The My Little Pony brand already existed since 1982....Hasbro wanted a reboot so they could sell toys; they don't just make this product out of the goodness of their heart, so they amassed good writers and good story tellers to create FIM...BUT that doesn't make it any less a show created to sell toys.

 

The very first scene of the theme song has Twilight Sparkle arriving in a hot air balloon. Which is derived from G3 - which was one of the VERY FIRST toys produced in the G4 toy line.

 

I just think a lot of you are deluding yourself, maybe it makes you feel superior - I guess some people need that. But I don't need to pretend FIM wasn't made to sell toys, I can still like it as much as I liked the previous MLP stuff...but go ahead...be my guest if it makes some people feel better.

[Commander Bubbles 1,343]

>G1 is better than Friendship is Magic

 

[Fhaolan 4,483]

Why are so many FIM fans delusional about this?

My best guess is that since so many FiM fans are too young to have seen 80's cartoons on their first run through, they're missing a lot of context and are unable or unwilling to accept that the generations prior (and I mean human generations, not the toy generations) were in fact just like them but with different window dressing. It's why people are always mocking history, and putting down their ancestors. "People were so stupid back then." The idea that their ancestors were just as smart as they are would make them less 'special', and can be turned around into "You are just as stupid as your parents were." which many people can't handle.

 

But that's just a guess.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

My best guess is that since so many FiM fans are too young to have seen 80's cartoons on their first run through, they're missing a lot of context and are unable or unwilling to accept that the generations prior (and I mean human generations, not the toy generations) were in fact just like them but with different window dressing. It's why people are always mocking history, and putting down their ancestors. "People were so stupid back then." The idea that their ancestors were just as smart as they are would make them less 'special', and can be turned around into "You are just as stupid as your parents were." which many people can't handle.

 

But that's just a guess.

 

See, I don't have a problem with people not liking G1, the toy or cartoon or any other gens. I can appreciate the cartoon and toy line for what it is. FIM is a cartoon created by hasbro to sell their toys, everything else involved in the conversation feels irrelevant if you ask me.

 

Regardless of if its a better or worst cartoon, regardless of who designed the concepts for the plot and if the writers and animators were sent by the gods...it doesn't mean a hill of beans to the facts. Ignoring the facts and reality just makes people look ignorant and delusional.

 

The God's are Hasbro, deal with it.

[Skylar 1,641]

This whole topic is pointless end of. 

 

Look at the title, it's not a debate topic it's someone stating why they are leaving, both sides are at fault really, he shouldn't really have posted anything because I don't see why you would other than to get a reaction out of people, at the same time the people arguing against him are just as bad for getting fired up over it.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Skylar

[Everleaf 541]

As weird as it sounds HONESTLY I LOVE BOTH GENS AND I LOVED THE RISK TAKING OF GEN1 i need to breath.... Sorry it's that matter where i like both non more than the other but when i do ever regenerate ponies i always pick gen1 not any other gen for a regeneration i...like...both..

 

for example though the years from gen1 to gen4 honestly them middle gens were not the best 

 

 

shows a good example of how it has changed both ways i love mlp and i had since i was young

[Fhaolan 4,483]

My best guess is that since so many FiM fans are too young to have seen 80's cartoons on their first run through, they're missing a lot of context and are unable or unwilling to accept that the generations prior (and I mean human generations, not the toy generations) were in fact just like them but with different window dressing. It's why people are always mocking history, and putting down their ancestors. "People were so stupid back then." The idea that their ancestors were just as smart as they are would make them less 'special', and can be turned around into "You are just as stupid as your parents were." which many people can't handle.

 

But that's just a guess.

And just to be fair, it goes the other way as well, with many older people not being willing to accept that what kids do is pretty much exactly what they did, but with different window dressing as well. The difference between an Emo and a Beatnik is superficial at best, for example.

[Zhortac 1,474]

Why are so many FIM fans delusional about this? Some seem to have this very elitist better than thou attitude towards this Hasbro produced cartoon. Does it make you feel better to insist your gen's cartoon is better by stating that it wasn't made to sell toys? I don't give a shit about power rangers; frankly I think it's one of the worst shows and I have never wasted my time watching that crap.

 

The My Little Pony brand already existed since 1982....Hasbro wanted a reboot so they could sell toys; they don't just make this product out of the goodness of their heart, so they amassed good writers and good story tellers to create FIM...BUT that doesn't make it any less a show created to sell toys.

 

The very first scene of the theme song has Twilight Sparkle arriving in a hot air balloon. Which is derived from G3 - which was one of the VERY FIRST toys produced in the G4 toy line.

 

I just think a lot of you are deluding yourself, maybe it makes you feel superior - I guess some people need that. But I don't need to pretend FIM wasn't made to sell toys, I can still like it as much as I liked the previous MLP stuff...but go ahead...be my guest if it makes some people feel better.

 

When you're done raging there, do some research. It helps. And I don't care if you liked PR or not, it was used as an example.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

When you're done raging there, do some research. It helps. And I don't care if you liked PR or not, it was used as an example.

 

LOL! It's okay, I get it.

 

Didn't mean to frighten you with my rage.

[Flutter's lover <3 8,205]

I've TRIED to watch the older gens...and...no...I just couldn't. It is just so badly done....though G3 wasn't THAT bad.

 

I"ll stick to FiM thank you very much. Much more depth to the characters,better plot, better animation....

[Wingnut 6,990]

Samuelkingsley, I applaud you for standing up for the G1 cartoon.  I agree most Bronies don't give it the respect it deserves.  All things considered, the G1 cartoon was pretty decent IMHO. Back in the '80s I watched it from time to time.  Part of the attraction is that it was made by the same studio that did GI Joe and Transformers.  It was always a joy to hear random characters speak with the voices of Prowl and Optimus Prime. And it wasn’t all rainbows and cutesy stuff either.  It had some suspense and action packed moments too including a fist fight between two anthropomorphic bees.  For an '80s cartoon designed to sell toys, it honestly wasn’t half bad.  But there are three things about G1 series that turn me off and keep me from considering it as one of my all time favorite cartoons.

 

1. The nasally childlike voices most ponies had.  Chipmunk voices are much more tolerable for me (and for some people that's saying something).  I’d much rather hear main characters who can speak clearly and normally. 

 

2.  The ponies were too dependent on Megan.  Whenever they found themselves in over their heads, they immediately went to seek aid from their human friend.  In MLP:FiM, the Mane characters fight their own battles.

 

3.  Megan is a Mary Sue.  Whenever a major solution had to be found, she was the one who consistently discovered it.  She never made a mistake.  Twilight, on the other hand, has been wrong on a number of occasions and others were able to step up and save the day as a result.

 

Bottom line, I prefer G4 to G1 but I respect your preference nonetheless.   

 

And one more thing...

 

 

 

Terak for example. He was a proper badass.Plus he was actually killed. Something that would never happen in FIM

 

King Sombra is just as dead as Terak. 

Edited February 20, 2014 by Wingnut

[~Sole~ 852]

Why are so many FIM fans delusional about this? Some seem to have this very elitist better than thou attitude towards this Hasbro produced cartoon. Does it make you feel better to insist your gen's cartoon is better by stating that it wasn't made to sell toys? I don't give a shit about power rangers; frankly I think it's one of the worst shows and I have never wasted my time watching that crap.

 

The My Little Pony brand already existed since 1982....Hasbro wanted a reboot so they could sell toys; they don't just make this product out of the goodness of their heart, so they amassed good writers and good story tellers to create FIM...BUT that doesn't make it any less a show created to sell toys.

 

The very first scene of the theme song has Twilight Sparkle arriving in a hot air balloon. Which is derived from G3 - which was one of the VERY FIRST toys produced in the G4 toy line.

 

I just think a lot of you are deluding yourself, maybe it makes you feel superior - I guess some people need that. But I don't need to pretend FIM wasn't made to sell toys, I can still like it as much as I liked the previous MLP stuff...but go ahead...be my guest if it makes some people feel better.

soooo the point of all this? Are you trying to make bronies out as being stuck up with a superiority complex because of toys? Cuz that's really what it sounds like. I could care less about the toys (I honestly think they're kinda ugly) but I love the show. And even if it was made to sell toys, it's still great. And just look at the season four premier, it looks like the animators really went the extra mile for quality doesn't it? I don't care who thinks who is superior, frankly I just like G4 more. Is that so bad? No, and it in no way "makes me feel superior" to anyone.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

soooo the point of all this? Are you trying to make bronies out as being stuck up with a superiority complex because of toys? Cuz that's really what it sounds like. I could care less about the toys (I honestly think they're kinda ugly) but I love the show. And even if it was made to sell toys, it's still great. And just look at the season four premier, it looks like the animators really went the extra mile for quality doesn't it? I don't care who thinks who is superior, frankly I just like G4 more. Is that so bad? No, and it in no way "makes me feel superior" to anyone.

 

My problem is to insist G4 isn't made to sell toys just seems pretty damn ignorant IMO and to constantly insist G4 is so much better and that the previous gen cartoons were just made to sell toys. It just seems to be ignoring who made G4 possible. I'm not talking good or bad, I'm talking the hypocrisy of the whole statement.

 

No fricking where am I saying g4 is bad and nowhere am I saying you have to worship previous generations. I'm saying to continually use that argument, just makes me thing some people are living in lala land.

[Mlpfan185 1,763]

Something was here. Something was here. Something was here. 

Edited October 10, 2018 by NONAME

[~Sole~ 852]

My problem is to insist G4 isn't made to sell toys just seems pretty damn ignorant IMO and to constantly insist G4 is so much better and that the previous gen cartoons were just made to sell toys. It just seems to be ignoring who made G4 possible. I'm not talking good or bad, I'm talking the hypocrisy of the whole statement.

 

No fricking where am I saying g4 is bad and nowhere am I saying you have to worship previous generations. I'm saying to continually use that argument, just makes me thing some people are living in lala land.

I don't care about that, but I do care about the part where you said some G4 fans like to pretend they're superior. And while this can be true with some G4 fans, G1 fans can be just as bad. And in my experience, I've met worse fans of G1 then G4. Both have stupid holier then thou fans, but don't pin all the blame on G4 fans alone.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

I don't care about that, but I do care about the part where you said some G4 fans like to pretend they're superior. And while this can be true with some G4 fans, G1 fans can be just as bad. And in my experience, I've met worse fans of G1 then G4. Both have stupid holier then thou fans, but don't pin all the blame on G4 fans alone.

 

Where have you met all these worse fans?

 

And where am I pinning blame on everyone who likes G4? Clearly I'm not talking about everyone, and I'm not talking about if the show is good or bad, my complaint is about if G4 cartoon was made to sell toys, my argument, it is...others are saying it wasn't or it orignially wasn't or something....Unless that was you then you don't fall into the argument, unless you do believe that G4 was made in magical lala land without hasbro's involvement.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Where have you met all these worse fans?

 

And where am I pinning blame on everyone who likes G4? Clearly I'm not talking about everyone, and I'm not talking about if the show is good or bad, my complaint is about if G4 cartoon was made to sell toys, my argument, it is...others are saying it wasn't or it orignially wasn't or something....Unless that was you then you don't fall into the argument, unless you do believe that G4 was made in magical lala land without hasbro's involvement.I'v

 

 

As someone who grew up on it, I don't consider a show made to sell toys a bad thing at all. That's where most of our shit came from.

 

I think the people tend not to notice is because FiM does a dam good jump of concealing the fact and not feeling like it was made to sell something. 

My problem is to insist G4 isn't made to sell toys just seems pretty damn ignorant IMO and to constantly insist G4 is so much better and that the previous gen cartoons were just made to sell toys. It just seems to be ignoring who made G4 possible. I'm not talking good or bad, I'm talking the hypocrisy of the whole statement.

 

No fricking where am I saying g4 is bad and nowhere am I saying you have to worship previous generations. I'm saying to continually use that argument, just makes me thing some people are living in lala land.

 

While I agree you have to respect something's roots...

 

FiM is objectively a better show. It has higher production values, better animation, better acting, better writing, better humor, better characters, and is over-all more aesthetically pleasing to look at it. All those go double for the comics which take everything good about the show and crank it up to 11.

 

Not to say G1 is bad(I actually need to get around to watching it) but G4 is the objectively better show if your just looking at facts and not matters of personal taste. 

 

 

 

When it's all said and done though, can we all just come together and agree that the G3.5 cartoons were a horrible abomination on animation?

Edited February 19, 2014 by Shoboni

[~Sole~ 852]

Where have you met all these worse fans?

 

And where am I pinning blame on everyone who likes G4? Clearly I'm not talking about everyone, and I'm not talking about if the show is good or bad, my complaint is about if G4 cartoon was made to sell toys, my argument, it is...others are saying it wasn't or it orignially wasn't or something....Unless that was you then you don't fall into the argument, unless you do believe that G4 was made in magical lala land without hasbro's involvement.

youtube... Then again, not exactly the best place to meet reasonable people sometimes and you were saying that Some G4 fans acted superior to G1 fans, that was my problem. I could care less about the whole toy argument. Both G1 and 4 have bad fans, and those fans argue and bicker.

[Page.Turner 940]

While I don't agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

 

Anyway, what I hated most about G1 was the voice acting, which ties in to a bunch of characters I couldn't stand to look at/listen to that weren't just ponies. Those witches, too, were horrible. Not just villains, but just... repulsive. Their voices were barely understandable and their comedic routine was predictable and rather boring. The only thing that was decent was their appearance because it was sort of iconic and goofy.

 

Ugh, and then you have the younger ponies (fillies) who sound like mentally challenged kids with speech impediments. Replacing their 'r' with 'w' and using the generic, "I'm five years old yet I still can't talk properly" because they probably have a developmental illness.

 

G4 has WAY more going for it. Not just because it's for all ages and genders, but because it's more than frivolous, meaningless adventures. G4 has a continuing plot line with character development and recognizable/lovable characters on a whole other level because there's more intelligent writing and design behind it.

 

And I agree with others that just because something is hand drawn/harder to do, it doesn't make it superior to digital animation.

 

Besides, comparing G1 to G4 is like trying to compare a Big Mac hamburger to a Whopper from Burger King. They're both hamburgers, but they're also both vastly different in taste, design, and execution that they're too different to resemble each other. It's just pointless.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

youtube... Then again, not exactly the best place to meet reasonable people sometimes and you were saying that Some G4 fans acted superior to G1 fans, that was my problem. I could care less about the whole toy argument. Both G1 and 4 have bad fans, and those fans argue and bicker.

 

What on earth did you see on youtube? Uh...Does that really qualify as meeting someone? Were these like video's of people bitching about bronies or something?

 

 

Again, I wasn't talking about everyone, I was discussing the attitude that comes along with the statement of those who insist G4 wasn't made to sell toys. There is a difference there, again, no talking about everyone just people who seem to be ignoring the reality. And again, my points aren't about if the show is good or bad or whatever.

 

Also, it's interesting that people come at it from the Cartoon standpoint when talking about G1-G3. Most previous gen people don't come at it that way. The cartoon was an accessory to the toy. Ponies actually had personalities in the toy line before the show ever existed, but I wouldn't expect people to understand how/why without me explaining the toy dynamic of G1 to you. I think the issue is FIM fans seem to come at it straight from the cartoon whereas G1 fans for instance come at it from a Brand standpoint, it's not just cartoon, it's all of it toy+show.

 

For me personally the cartoon was just that, an accessory. By the time I got to watch the G1 cartoon my ponies already had personalities and they were not based on what was on TV. I had developed identities for my ponies already...so the show didn't affect me in the way G4 fans view FIM.